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| Update_summary_senderella_use [message #58908] |
Mon, 10 October 2005 05:17  |
Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
Registered: August 2005
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nder dealer and his service guy about fell off his chair. It was
>a cheap knockoff (Fender decal and all) from the Phillipines!
>(evidently some of the servicemen buy them and bring them back)
>
>No truss rod, green wood in the neck, wavy plastic on the pickguard.
>
>Total POS. Worth nothing.
>
>ArrgGGGGGHHHHH...
>
>I'm 16 right, and know nothing about guitars, but I do know I am
>in a world of caca, and now I have no money.
>
>So, I go back to the thrift store, having cooked up a story about
>having sold something that wasn't mine and now I am in trouble, and
>the guy gave me my 55.00 back...
>
>Whew...
>
>Went and bought a real Fender (Jaguar this time) and finally got my
>heartbeat down to 195 or so....
>
>DCI did a gig in Atlanta a couple of nights ago. I'm still touring with Will
Downing, but the gig was honoring legendary Jazz singer "Nancy Wilson". I
am not certain of her age...late sixties I'm guessing, but she sounded incredible!!!
She worked a mic in a way that is no longer in existence in today's music...truly
sad. Her vocals were clean...riffs were phenomenal and interpretation skills
outstanding!
Certainly a worth while performer to see if at all possible.
Tyrone"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>I did a gig in Atlanta a couple of nights ago. I'm still touring with Will
>Downing, but the gig was honoring legendary Jazz singer "Nancy Wilson".
I
>am not certain of her age...late sixties I'm guessing, but she sounded incredible!!!
>She worked a mic in a way that is no longer in existence in today's music...truly
>sad. Her vocals were clean...riffs were phenomenal and interpretation skills
>outstanding!
>
>Certainly a worth while performer to see if at all possible.
>
>Tyrone
>Thanks all for the feedback. I'm kicking myself for seeing DC's point about
low end detail, duh.
Cheers
MR
"Mike R." <emare@not.com> wrote:
>
>You know, I have read some reports that people actually percieve a difference
>between audio sampled at 44k, and audio sampled at 96k. I don't have any
>96k converters, or I'd give it a shot myself. In all things audio, I'd
trust
>this group's ears over
>m(any) others.
> If it is audible I'd propose three possiblities:
>-Our ears are much more sensitive than perviously thought or measured. (I'd
>tend to doubt this one...)
>-We do "hear" the higher frequencies, but with senses other than our ears.
> Perhaps our skin, or fine hair on the skin. Much like someone who is deaf
>"listens" to music, we are able to percieve the higher frequencies.
>or...
>-Its a sort of placebo effect. We think it's there, so it's there.
>Any thoughts???
>MRDimitrios, thanks for the effort to put this together. I'm adding this to
my "paris keepers" file.
MR
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>Ok,
>Due to the many posts that maybe misleading if you don't follow all of them
>in the right order I decided to summarize what I know regarding senderella
>and its use with Paris .
>
>1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top the string EDSTransfer=8,16
.You
>could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio streaming. The 8,16 seems
>like the magical number, remember I tried them all....
>This is needed because then Senderella works realtime NO LATENCY as a buss
>inside Paris.
>Senderella seems like the greatest discovery amoung FREE plugins for Paris,
>link: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1433.html
>Senderella newest version has a redirect option so you can send the signal
>and not hear (or hear) the dry signal if you want.
>It has 64 bussses ! nad now saves its condition and prest (the version
>before could not) after saving your song.
>
>2. Senderella works across submixes ! but the latency in beetween submixes
>has to be taken into consideration.
>
>3. So possible uses are
>a} Use your favorite DX/VST/UAD1/POWERCORE /EXTERNAL DEVICE reverb as abuss
>with senderella.
>You occupy two Paris audio tracks for your reverb return using 16bit (24bit
>works too) silence paf file.
>Here you can create a long 5 minute file or bigger and have it in handy
>anytime you want it.
>b) Use your favourite compressor VST/DX/UAD!/POWERCORE/EXTERNAL for buss
>compression.
>
>4. On both uses the method is around the same.
>
>5. Senderella although showing up as it is in Paris as vst does not let
the
>audio pass the plugin, It stops in senderella so only WET signal can be
>send.
>this is useful only for bussing say dsrumtracks to a cmpressor and not need
>to have also the dry tracks playing.
>In that situation no wrapper needs for senderella.
>But for full use and potential senderella needs to be wrapped
>
>6. Wrappers that can be used are the FREE Spinaudio lite
> http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.php?download_type=3&d ownload_id=33
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| Re: Update_summary_senderella_use [message #58915 is a reply to message #58908] |
Mon, 10 October 2005 07:53  |
emarenot
Messages: 345
Registered: June 2005
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uys were using gives 16384
samples of latency !!<
I have been reading your posts about this. I appreciate your efforts. You
have done a whole lot of testing and in a previous post you mentioned a way
to get the sample latency of UAD-1 plugins down to 2048 samples, which is
*fairly* close to a 50ms nudge in the Paris editor. If a wrapper can
actually reduce latency, then why not write one that reduces it altogether?
Would this be possible to do?//........or at least might it be possible to
actually write a UAD-1 > Paris latency compensator/wrapper with even less
latency..........say exactly 88 samples, so it would corelate to 1 x Paris
ms (or some incremental *Paris* nudge/slide). If it was specific to Paris
editor increments such as:
1ms= 80 samples
5ms= 240 samples
10ms= 480 samples
25ms= 1120 samples
50ms= 2240 samples
75ms= 3360 samples
100ms= 4480 samples
..............then the Voxengo/Sampleslide step could be eliminated. Still,
there would need to be some way to adjust for the UAD-1 plugins like
Fairchild and Pultec, which have different latency than the 1176 and LA-2A,
so this *exact* situation might not ever be possible.
Dunno......just a thought.
Deej
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:434a807e$1@linux...
>
> Dimitrios, thanks for the effort to put this together. I'm adding this to
> my "paris keepers" file.
> MR
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >Ok,
> >Due to the many posts that maybe misleading if you don't follow all of
them
> >in the right order I decided to summarize what I know regarding
senderella
> >and its use with Paris .
> >
> >1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top the string EDSTransfer=8,16
> You
> >could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio streaming. The 8,16 seems
> >like the magical number, remember I tried them all....
> >This is needed because then Senderella works realtime NO LATENCY as a
buss
> >inside Paris.
> >Senderella seems like the greatest discovery amoung FREE plugins for
Paris,
> >link: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1433.html
> >Senderella newest version has a redirect option so you can send the
signal
> >and not hear (or hear) the dry signal if you want.
> >It has 64 bussses ! nad now saves its condition and prest (the version
> >before could not) after saving your song.
> >
> >2. Senderella works across submixes ! but the latency in beetween
submixes
> >has to be taken into consideration.
> >
> >3. So possible uses are
> >a} Use your favorite DX/VST/UAD1/POWERCORE /EXTERNAL DEVICE reverb as
abuss
> >with senderella.
> >You occupy two Paris audio tracks for your reverb return using 16bit
(24bit
> >works too) silence paf file.
> >Here you can create a long 5 minute file or bigger and have it in handy
> >anytime you want it.
> >b) Use your favourite compressor VST/DX/UAD!/POWERCORE/EXTERNAL for buss
> >compression.
> >
> >4. On both uses the method is around the same.
> >
> >5. Senderella although showing up as it is in Paris as vst does not let
> the
> >audio pass the plugin, It stops in senderella so only WET signal can be
> >send.
> >this is useful only for bussing say dsrumtracks to a cmpressor and not
need
> >to have also the dry tracks playing.
> >In that situation no wrapper needs for senderella.
> >But for full use and potential senderella needs to be wrapped
> >
> >6. Wrappers that can be used are the FREE Spinaudio lite
> > http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.php?download_type=3&d ownload_id=33
which
> >can wrap ONLY one VST plugin.
> >So here you can wrap one instance of senderella and use it as send for
> >reverbs.
> >If you buy Spinaudio ofcourse you can have as many plugins wrapped as you
> >want.
> >
> >7.. Senderella by renaming its dll like send1,send2,send3 etc can be used
> as
> >many times as you want it is that simple.
> >
> >8. you need to have 16bit files (empty) on the receining senderella
> >instances.
> >
> >9. If you have multiple cards then use (if you want it across submixes)
> >tracks 15 and 16 of your last card, so that all sending instances are
bfore
> >these two.
> >
> >10. On Me works but I haven't got very stable resluts which may be my
> >computer though so you could give some more tests but on XP works just
fine
> >here.
> >
> >11. So to come to its actual use
> >First you wrap as we said senderella, I prefer chainer because chainer is
> >extremely stable and has some good functinality like dry and wet volumes
> >many slots midi automation preset handling etc.
> >Note that here we need a VST chainer/wrapper because senderella is only
> VST.
> >For UAD1 you can use the same wrapper chainer and wrap the vst versions
> of
> >VST.
> >HINT: If you buy chainer get the free Spinaudiolite and use its one
instance
> >to wrap only chainer.
> >So UAD1 plugins inside chainer will retain knob functionality and lower
> the
> >latency down to 4096 samples for a normal UAD1 plugin.
> >
> >12. If you wanna use all things without buying anything you can doing
this:
> >Get Spinaudiolite FREE and wrap senderella.
> >Get FFX4 DX chainer free
> >http://vincent.burel.free.fr/download/ffx4_FullDemo3.zip
> >NOTE: FFX-4 wraps/chains ONLY DX plugins whereas Chainer wrapps/chains
on
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| Re: Update_summary_senderella_use [message #58920 is a reply to message #58915] |
Mon, 10 October 2005 10:23 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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ef="mailto:nospam@nospam.com" target="_blank">nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:434a5b2b@linux...
> A thread about *nothing*
>
> Who will watch it?
>
>
> El Miguel
>
>
>
> "Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
> news:r7tjk1p7kdkt3m9m1go78iba4gue9h0gsn@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:26:28 -0600, "DJ"
> > <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >
> > >In order for this to be really effective, you need to record nothing,
> copy
> > >this to an adjacent track, invert the phase and then do a bounce.
> > >
> > >;oP
> > >
> > Now, that be some well-crafted nothing!
> >
> > yeah-- Chas
>
>Hmm, Is that the guy Joen Monterello that affilates with Mix Mag?
He told me there is a deductable. I thought it was 1000.00 that would mean
I would need a large loss for it to help. Btter thhan nothing but at 900.00
per year or so.
Please let me know more about what you find.
I am in need as well. Where is Music pro from and what did you here?
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Looking for some insurance and they seem to look pretty good.
>Was going to check out MusicPro,but I've been hearing some not
>great reviews as of late.Might check Clarion too.
> Heritage looks like no deductibles which is nice.
>
>TIA,
>PeteThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Dimitrios,
You a powerhouse of information! Your work with
Paris and associated plugins is great for us all.
A couple of questions:
#1) What do you mean by two times the sound?
Step 15: and redirect (full to the right) because
>Spinaudio mixes two times the sound of the track)
#2) Do you have problems with Paris automation with everything nudged?
If I have muted my tom tracks and nudge them the automation will
be off. If I nudge install effects and then mute toms would ths solve =
the problem?
>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks 15 =
and
>16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway- )100ms
to
>the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of AnalogX DX
>plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins NO =
LIMIT
>Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.
>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb return on tracks.
>
If I could only wrap my head around all of this I'd be all set. The =
first time you posted
about Senderella and Chainer I used it for a while then my C drive =
became useless. I'm
still not sure why. I'm afraid to try it again now but that's just me. =
I think if I can
understand it clearly I'll be able to implement it more easily. =20
You are helping me with this explanation and it's appreciated greatly.
Thanks for your effort once again,
Tom
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:434a807e$1@linux...
Dimitrios, thanks for the effort to put this together. I'm adding =
this to
my "paris keepers" file. =20
MR
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>Ok,
>Due to the many posts that maybe misleading if you don't follow all =
of them
>in the right order I decided to summarize what I know regarding =
senderella
>and its use with Paris .
>
>1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top the string =
EDSTransfer=3D8,16 =20
You
>could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio streaming. The 8,16 =
seems
>like the magical number, remember I tried them all....
>This is needed because then Senderella works realtime NO LATENCY as a =
buss
>inside Paris.
>Senderella seems like the greatest discovery amoung FREE plugins for =
Paris,
>link: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1433.html
>Senderella newest version has a redirect option so you can send the =
signal
>and not hear (or hear) the dry signal if you want.
>It has 64 bussses ! nad now saves its condition and prest (the =
version
>before could not) after saving your song.
>
>2. Senderella works across submixes ! but the latency in beetween =
submixes
>has to be taken into consideration.
>
>3. So possible uses are
>a} Use your favorite DX/VST/UAD1/POWERCORE /EXTERNAL DEVICE reverb as =
abuss
>with senderella.
>You occupy two Paris audio tracks for your reverb return using 16bit =
(24bit
>works too) silence paf file.
>Here you can create a long 5 minute file or bigger and have it in =
handy
>anytime you want it.
>b) Use your favourite compressor VST/DX/UAD!/POWERCORE/EXTERNAL for =
buss
>compression.
>
>4. On both uses the method is around the same.
>
>5. Senderella although showing up as it is in Paris as vst does not =
let
the
>audio pass the plugin, It stops in senderella so only WET signal can =
be
>send.
>this is useful only for bussing say dsrumtracks to a cmpressor and =
not need
>to have also the dry tracks playing.
>In that situation no wrapper needs for senderella.
>But for full use and potential senderella needs to be wrapped
>
>6. Wrappers that can be used are the FREE Spinaudio lite
=
> http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.php?download_type=3D3& ;download_id=3D3=
3 which
>can wrap ONLY one VST plugin.
>So here you can wrap one instance of senderella and use it as send =
for
>reverbs.
>If you buy Spinaudio ofcourse you can have as many plugins wrapped as =
you
>want.
>
>7.. Senderella by renaming its dll like send1,send2,send3 etc can be =
used
as
>many times as you want it is that simple.
>
>8. you need to have 16bit files (empty) on the receining senderella
>instances.
>
>9. If you have multiple cards then use (if you want it across =
submixes)
>tracks 15 and 16 of your last card, so that all sending instances are =
bfore
>these two.
>
>10. On Me works but I haven't got very stable resluts which may be my
>computer though so you could give some more tests but on XP works =
just fine
>here.
>
>11. So to come to its actual use
>First you wrap as we said senderella, I prefer chainer because =
chainer is
>extremely stable and has some good functinality like dry and wet =
volumes
>many slots midi automation preset handling etc.
>Note that here we need a VST chainer/wrapper because senderella is =
only
VST.
>For UAD1 you can use the same wrapper chainer and wrap the vst =
versions
of
>VST.
>HINT: If you buy chainer get the free Spinaudiolite and use its one =
instance
>to wrap only chainer.
>So UAD1 plugins inside chainer will retain knob functionality and =
lower
the
>latency down to 4096 samples for a normal UAD1 plugin.
>
>12. If you wanna use all things without buying anything you can doing =
this:
>Get Spinaudiolite FREE and wrap senderella.
>Get FFX4 DX chainer free
>http://vincent.burel.free.fr/download/ffx4_FullDemo3.zip
>NOTE: FFX-4 wraps/chains ONLY DX plugins whereas Chainer =
wrapps/chains only
>VST
>HINT:
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| Re: Update_summary_senderella_use [message #58924 is a reply to message #58915] |
Mon, 10 October 2005 10:38 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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with</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris and associated plugins is great =
for us=20
all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A couple of questions:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>#1) What do you mean by =
two times the=20
sound</FONT>?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Step 15: <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>and=20
redirect (full to the right) because<BR>>Spinaudio mixes two times =
the sound=20
of the track)</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>#2) Do you have problems with Paris automation =
with=20
everything nudged?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>If I have muted my tom tracks and nudge them the =
automation will</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be off. If I nudge install effects and =
then mute=20
toms would ths solve the problem?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>>You nudge=20
ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks 15 =
and<BR>>16-well=20
even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway- =
)100ms<BR>to<BR>>the=20
left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of AnalogX=20
DX<BR>>plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST =
plugins NO=20
LIMIT<BR>>Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the=20
right.<BR>>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb =
return on=20
tracks.<BR>></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>If I could only=20
wrap my head around all of this I'd be all set. The first time you =
posted</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>about=20
Senderella and Chainer I used it for a while then my C drive became =
useless.=20
I'm</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>still not sure=20
why. I'm afraid to try it again now but that's just me. I =
think if I=20
can</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>understand it clearly I'll be able to implement it more =
easily. =20
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>You are helping=20
me with this explanation and it's appreciated =
greatly.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>Thanks for your=20
effort once again,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Tom</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><BR> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><BR></DIV></FONT>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Mike R." <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:emarenot@yahoo.com">emarenot@yahoo.com</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:434a807e$1@linux">news:434a807e$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Dimi=
trios,=20
thanks for the effort to put this together. I'm adding this =
to<BR>my=20
"paris keepers" file. <BR>MR<BR><BR>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>Ok,<BR>>Due to the many posts that maybe misleading =
if you=20
don't follow all of them<BR>>in the right order I decided to =
summarize what=20
I know regarding senderella<BR>>and its use with Paris=20
.<BR>><BR>>1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top the=20
string EDSTransfer=3D8,16 =20
<BR>You<BR>>could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio =
streaming. The=20
8,16 seems<BR>>like the magical number, remember I tried them=20
all....<BR>>This is needed because then Senderella works realtime =
NO=20
LATENCY as a buss<BR>>inside Paris.<BR>>Senderella seems like =
the=20
greatest discovery amoung FREE plugins for Paris,<BR>>link: <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1433.html">http://www.kvraudio.com/ge=
t/1433.html</A><BR>>Senderella=20
newest version has a redirect option so you can send the =
signal<BR>>and not=20
hear (or hear) the dry signal if you want.<BR>>It has 64 bussses ! =
nad now=20
saves its condition and prest (the version<BR>>before could not) =
after=20
saving your song.<BR>><BR>>2. Senderella works across submixes ! =
but the=20
latency in beetween submixes<BR>>has to be taken into=20
consideration.<BR>><BR>>3. So possible uses are<BR>>a} Use =
your=20
favorite DX/VST/UAD1/POWERCORE /EXTERNAL DEVICE reverb as =
abuss<BR>>with=20
senderella.<BR>>You occupy two Paris audio tracks for your reverb =
return=20
using 16bit (24bit<BR>>works too) silence paf file.<BR>>Here you =
can=20
create a long 5 minute file or bigger and have it in =
handy<BR>>anytime you=20
want it.<BR>>b) Use your favourite compressor=20
VST/DX/UAD!/POWERCORE/EXTERNAL for =
buss<BR>>compression.<BR>><BR>>4.=20
On both uses the method is around the same.<BR>><BR>>5. =
Senderella=20
although showing up as it is in Paris as vst does not =
let<BR>the<BR>>audio=20
pass the plugin, It stops in senderella so only WET signal can=20
be<BR>>send.<BR>>this is useful only for bussing say dsrumtracks =
to a=20
cmpressor and not need<BR>>to have also the dry tracks =
playing.<BR>>In=20
that situation no wrapper needs for senderella.<BR>>But for full =
use and=20
potential senderella needs to be wrapped<BR>><BR>>6. Wrappers =
that can=20
be used are the FREE Spinaudio=20
=
lite<BR>> http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.php?download_type=3D3& ;amp;=
download_id=3D33 =20
which<BR>>can wrap ONLY one VST plugin.<BR>>So here you can wrap =
one=20
instance of senderella and use it as send =
for<BR>>reverbs.<BR>>If you=20
buy Spinaudio ofcourse you can have as many plugins wrapped as=20
you<BR>>want.<BR>><BR>>7.. Senderella by renaming its dll =
like=20
send1,send2,send3 etc can be used<BR>as<BR>>many times as you want =
it is=20
that simple.<BR>><BR>>8. you need to have 16bit files (empty) on =
the=20
receining senderella<BR>>instances.<BR>><BR>>9. If you have =
multiple=20
cards then use (if you want it across submixes)<BR>>tracks 15 and =
16 of=20
your last card, so that all sending instances are bfore<BR>>these=20
two.<BR>><BR>>10. On Me works but I haven't got very stable =
resluts=20
which may be my<BR>>computer though so you could give some more =
tests but=20
on XP works just fine<BR>>here.<BR>><BR>>11. So to come to =
its actual=20
use<BR>>First you wrap as we said senderella, I prefer chainer =
because=20
chainer is<BR>>extremely stable and has some good functinality like =
dry and=20
wet volumes<BR>>many slots midi automation preset handling =
etc.<BR>>Note=20
that here we need a VST chainer/wrapper because senderella is=20
only<BR>VST.<BR>>For UAD1 you can use the same wrapper chainer and =
wrap the=20
vst versions<BR>of<BR>>VST.<BR>>HINT: If you buy chainer get the =
free=20
Spinaudiolite and use its one instance<BR>>to wrap only =
chainer.<BR>>So=20
UAD1 plugins inside chainer will retain knob functionality and=20
lower<BR>the<BR>>latency down to 4096 samples for a normal UAD1=20
plugin.<BR>><BR>>12. If you wanna use all things without buying =
anything=20
you can doing this:<BR>>Get Spinaudiolite FREE and wrap=20
senderella.<BR>>Get FFX4 DX chainer=20
=
free<BR>>http://vincent.burel.free.fr/download/ffx4_FullDemo3.zip<BR>&=
gt;NOTE:=20
FFX-4 wraps/chains ONLY DX plugins whereas Chainer wrapps/chains=20
only<BR>>VST<BR>>HINT: From inside Chainer you can use FFX-4 so =
have=20
chainer to wrap DX and<BR>>VST....<BR>><BR>>13. FFX-4 also =
has a low=20
4096 samples latency for UAD plugz. If you think<BR>>that is big =
note that=20
FXpansion wrapper that you guys were using gives 16384<BR>>samples =
of=20
latency !!<BR>><BR>>14. So you wrap senderella with=20
Spinaudiolite.<BR>><BR>>15. You put senderella on the audio =
tracks you=20
wanna send to a reverb, put<BR>>the send volume accordingly and =
redirect=20
(full to the right) because<BR>>Spinaudio mixes two times the sound =
of the=20
track)<BR>><BR>>16. On audio tracks 15 and 16 you put two 16bit =
empty=20
long files (5 minutes<BR>>or more,whatever)<BR>>17. On track 15 =
you open=20
as STEREO the senderella again (spinaudiolite<BR>>wrapped) and put=20
senderella as receiver .<BR>>Then on next native slot you open =
FFX-4 on=20
track 15 as STEREO again.<BR>><BR>>18. You open from inside =
FFX-4 a UAD1=20
reverb or any other DX reverb (like<BR>>DSPFX)<BR>>If you put =
UAD1=20
rvereb you get 4096 latency.<BR>>If you put a DX reverb you =
probably will=20
get 0 latency !!, so no<BR>>compensation needed at all.<BR>>It =
ius like=20
having AUX with DX effect for Paris !<BR>><BR>>19. Now if you =
insist of=20
using a UAD1 plugin reverb, the to compensate you<BR>>do the=20
following:<BR>><BR>>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the =
reverb=20
return on tracks 15 and<BR>>16-well even if you put it there too =
nothing=20
will happen anyway- )100ms<BR>to<BR>>the left and put voxengo =
sample delay=20
(Try this instead of AnalogX DX<BR>>plugin because you have =
the 64=20
plugin limit and with VST plugins NO LIMIT<BR>>Then put inside =
latency=20
plugin 384 samples to the right.<BR>>Thus all processed tracks will =
be=20
alligned to reverb return on tracks.<BR>><BR>>That is for=20
now.<BR>>Please ask questions so I can see where I did my wrong=20
=
homework...<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR >><BR>><BR>><BR>&=
gt;<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_03ED_01C5CD9F.F4FDB910--No,Joe Monterello is with Capital Bauer Ins I think in Albany,NY.
Music Pro I think does the musicians union insurance now so they
are pretty large I imagine.I saw some posts on Gearslutz that
some people were getting bad service from them recently.
When I called Heritage the VP answered the phone.I'm going to
email him a list.Now no deductible might mean higher rates,but I
haven't asked about rates with some deductable yet.
I've heard some people saying they like Clarion.
I'll let you know what I find.
Pete
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>Hmm, Is that the guy Joen Monterello that affilates with Mix Mag?
>He told me there is a deductable. I thought it was 1000.00 that would mean
>I would need a large loss for it to help. Btter thhan nothing but at 900.00
>per year or so.
>
>Please let me know more about what you find.
>I am in need as well. Where is Music pro from and what did you here?
>
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> Looking for some insurance and they seem to look pretty good.
>>Was going to check out MusicPro,but I've been hearing some not
>>great reviews as of late.Might check Clarion too.
>> Heritage looks like no deductibles which is nice.
>>
>>TIA,
>>Pete
>They are related.
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>I think this would have more to do with slew rate than
>frequency response..
>
>David.
>
>DC wrote:
>> "Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And about those amp designers, what analog recording format (or more importantly,
>>>what consumer playback medium) in the past had response out to 250k?
>>
>>
>>
>> It wasn't the frequency response of the source material being that high,
>> it was the need for the amp circuitry to be able to go that
>> high so that the leading edge of transients would be reproduced
>> without any rounding off of the waveform. Deane Jensen wrote
>> a paper on this years ago. I'll see if I can find a copy of it.
>>
>>
>> DCThanks for letting me know Gantt.I'll be
downloading 3.8 from a temporary ftp site set
up by uad. Eugene
Gantt Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote:
>Yup... I'm using 3.8 w/ a G4.
>
>Gantt
>>Eugene B wrote:
>
>> Are any Mac users using uad3.8 with paris 3.0?
>> Thanks,Eugene.
>>
>> Gantt Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote:
>> >Ow! Thanks for the warning!
>> >
>> >Gantt
>> >
>> >Matt wrote:
>> >
>> >> in article 4342fc5d$1@linux, Eugene B at martinlancer@hotmail.com wrote
>> on
>> >> 10/4/05 3:04 PM:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Any mac users using uad 3.9 with paris 3.0?
>> >> > I'm using uad 3.41 but don't want to run into
>> >> > unexpeced problems as i am just finishing up
>> >> > a 12 song project in paris.
>> >>
>> >> 3.9 worked for me until I tried to render to disk with fx, then it
crash
>> my
>> >> system every time. I'm using 3.7 with out any problems.
>> >
>Howdy,
As long as it's the same physical hard drive that you first got the code
for, the old code will still work. If you need to reinstall on a fresh hard
drive, you can send the challenge code through any email account. The Paris
computer dosent need any direct link.. This is assuming they still answer
those pesky Paris emails....
Cheers
"Richard Faylor" <RichardFaylor@aol.com> wrote:
>
>I just bought a used (modem-less) Mac G4 to dedicate to Paris. It's been
years
>since I first installed Paris 3.0 on my old G3 and have forgotten how the
>installation process works. I still have my original order number, key number,
>and response code, but are they still valid after all these years? And since
>Paris is defunct, how and who would authorize the installation? Am I correct
>in assuming that I need to connect a modem to the G4 for authorization through
>the Internet or could I perform the authorization for my G4 through my old
>G3 which does have a modem? (I have dial-up only.) And is there someone
at
>Ensoniq/E-Mu to perform the authorization or is it simply automated? Sorry
>if I sound ridiculously stupid. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>--RichardI'm getting a large amount of crashes all of the sudden. Right in the middle
of a song playback will just stop, and the computer is frozen. I need to
physically disconnect the power cord to restart it.
Anybody else experience this?
It is only happening as far as I can tell with Paris, and it is not project
specific, nor related to any particular plugins. I have rulled that out.
I guess my next move is to remove one card at a time and see what happens
unless someone has any other suggestions.
Sigh.
Oh yeah, Windows '98 - 2 card system...This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Dear Tom,
You may have had problems because of console...
This damn nice chainer is a nogo (at least for now) with Paris.
It crashes Paris a lot.
I don't use any automation in Paris yet...
You know I am new here...
Maybe you used EDSTransfer=3D8,8 which is also a no go for Paris.
Too many streaming errors.
use 8,16
Spinaudio wraps senderella in a way that if you don't rfedirct the sound =
the sound almost doubles its volumeChainer does not do that...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:434aa820@linux...
Dimitrios,
You a powerhouse of information! Your work with
Paris and associated plugins is great for us all.
A couple of questions:
#1) What do you mean by two times the sound?
Step 15: and redirect (full to the right) because
>Spinaudio mixes two times the sound of the track)
#2) Do you have problems with Paris automation with everything nudged?
If I have muted my tom tracks and nudge them the automation will
be off. If I nudge install effects and then mute toms would ths solve =
the problem?
>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks 15 =
and
>16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway- =
)100ms
to
>the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of AnalogX =
DX
>plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins NO =
LIMIT
>Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.
>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb return on =
tracks.
>
If I could only wrap my head around all of this I'd be all set. The =
first time you posted
about Senderella and Chainer I used it for a while then my C drive =
became useless. I'm
still not sure why. I'm afraid to try it again now but that's just =
me. I think if I can
understand it clearly I'll be able to implement it more easily. =20
You are helping me with this explanation and it's appreciated greatly.
Thanks for your effort once again,
Tom
=20
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:434a807e$1@linux...
Dimitrios, thanks for the effort to put this together. I'm adding =
this to
my "paris keepers" file. =20
MR
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>Ok,
>Due to the many posts that maybe misleading if you don't follow all =
of them
>in the right order I decided to summarize what I know regarding =
senderella
>and its use with Paris .
>
>1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top the string =
EDSTransfer=3D8,16 =20
You
>could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio streaming. The 8,16 =
seems
>like the magical number, remember I tried them all....
>This is needed because then Senderella works realtime NO LATENCY as =
a buss
>inside Paris.
>Senderella seems like the greatest discovery amo
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ncy plugin 384 samples to the right.
>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb return on =
tracks.
>
>That is for now.
>Please ask questions so I can see where I did my wrong homework...
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Tom,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You may have had problems because of=20
console...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This damn nice chainer is a nogo (at =
least for now)=20
with Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It crashes Paris a lot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't use any automation in Paris=20
yet...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You know I am new here...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe you used EDSTransfer=3D8,8 which =
is also a no=20
go for Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Too many streaming errors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>use 8,16</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spinaudio wraps senderella in a way =
that if you=20
don't rfedirct the sound the sound almost doubles its volumeChainer does =
not do=20
that...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:434aa820@linux">news:434aa820@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You a powerhouse of =
information! Your work=20
with</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris and associated plugins is great =
for us=20
all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A couple of questions:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>#1) What do you mean =
by two times=20
the sound</FONT>?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Step 15: <FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D3>and=20
redirect (full to the right) because<BR>>Spinaudio mixes two times =
the=20
sound of the track)</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>#2) Do you have problems with Paris automation =
with=20
everything nudged?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>If I have muted my tom tracks and nudge them =
the=20
automation will</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be off. If I nudge install effects and =
then mute=20
toms would ths solve the problem?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>>You nudge=20
ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks 15 =
and<BR>>16-well=20
even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway-=20
)100ms<BR>to<BR>>the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this =
instead=20
of AnalogX DX<BR>>plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit =
and=20
with VST plugins NO LIMIT<BR>>Then put inside latency plugin 384 =
samples to=20
the right.<BR>>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb =
return=20
on tracks.<BR>></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>If I could=20
only wrap my head around all of this I'd be all set. The first =
time you=20
posted</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>about=20
Senderella and Chainer I used it for a while then my C drive became =
useless.=20
I'm</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>still not=20
sure why. I'm afraid to try it again now but that's just =
me. I=20
think if I can</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>understand it clearly I'll be able to implement it more =
easily. =20
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>You are=20
helping me with this explanation and it's appreciated=20
greatly.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>Thanks for=20
your effort once again,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Tom</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><BR> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV>"Mike R." <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:emarenot@yahoo.com">emarenot@yahoo.com</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:434a807e$1@linux">news:434a807e$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Dimi=
trios,=20
thanks for the effort to put this together. I'm adding this =
to<BR>my=20
"paris keepers" file. <BR>MR<BR><BR>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>Ok,<BR>>Due to the many posts that maybe misleading =
if you=20
don't follow all of them<BR>>in the right order I decided to =
summarize=20
what I know regarding senderella<BR>>and its use with Paris=20
.<BR>><BR>>1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top the=20
string EDSTransfer=3D8,16 =20
<BR>You<BR>>could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio =
streaming. The=20
8,16 seems<BR>>like the magical number, remember I tried them=20
all....<BR>>This is needed because then Senderella works realtime =
NO=20
LATENCY as a buss<BR>>inside Paris.<BR>>Senderella seems like =
the=20
greatest discovery amoung FREE plugins for Paris,<BR>>link: <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1433.html">http://www.kvraudio.com/ge=
t/1433.html</A><BR>>Senderella=20
newest version has a redirect option so you can send the =
signal<BR>>and=20
not hear (or hear) the dry signal if you want.<BR>>It has 64 =
bussses !=20
nad now saves its condition and prest (the version<BR>>before =
could not)=20
after saving your song.<BR>><BR>>2. Senderella works across =
submixes !=20
but the latency in beetween submixes<BR>>has to be taken into=20
consideration.<BR>><BR>>3. So possible uses are<BR>>a} Use =
your=20
favorite DX/VST/UAD1/POWERCORE /EXTERNAL DEVICE reverb as =
abuss<BR>>with=20
senderella.<BR>>You occupy two Paris audio tracks for your reverb =
return=20
using 16bit (24bit<BR>>works too) silence paf file.<BR>>Here =
you can=20
create a long 5 minute file or bigger and have it in =
handy<BR>>anytime=20
you want it.<BR>>b) Use your favourite compressor=20
VST/DX/UAD!/POWERCORE/EXTERNAL for=20
buss<BR>>compression.<BR>><BR>>4. On both uses the method =
is around=20
the same.<BR>><BR>>5. Senderella although showing up as it is =
in Paris=20
as vst does not let<BR>the<BR>>audio pass the plugin, It stops in =
senderella so only WET signal can be<BR>>send.<BR>>this is =
useful only=20
for bussing say dsrumtracks to a cmpressor and not need<BR>>to =
have also=20
the dry tracks playing.<BR>>In that situation no wrapper needs =
for=20
senderella.<BR>>But for full use and potential senderella needs =
to be=20
wrapped<BR>><BR>>6. Wrappers that can be used are the FREE =
Spinaudio=20
=
lite<BR>> http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.php?download_type=3D3& ;amp;=
download_id=3D33 =20
which<BR>>can wrap ONLY one VST plugin.<BR>>So here you can =
wrap one=20
instance of senderella and use it as send =
for<BR>>reverbs.<BR>>If you=20
buy Spinaudio ofcourse you can have as many plugins wrapped as=20
you<BR>>want.<BR>><BR>>7.. Senderella by renaming its dll =
like=20
send1,send2,send3 etc can be used<BR>as<BR>>many times as you =
want it is=20
that simple.<BR>><BR>>8. you need to have 16bit files (empty) =
on the=20
receining senderella<BR>>instances.<BR>><BR>>9. If you have =
multiple cards then use (if you want it across =
submixes)<BR>>tracks 15=20
and 16 of your last card, so that all sending instances are=20
bfore<BR>>these two.<BR>><BR>>10. On Me works but I haven't =
got=20
very stable resluts which may be my<BR>>computer though so you =
could give=20
some more tests but on XP works just =
fine<BR>>here.<BR>><BR>>11. So=20
to come to its actual use<BR>>First you wrap as we said =
senderella, I=20
prefer chainer because chainer is<BR>>extremely stable and has =
some good=20
functinality like dry and wet volumes<BR>>many slots midi =
automation=20
preset handling etc.<BR>>Note that here we need a VST =
chainer/wrapper=20
because senderella is only<BR>VST.<BR>>For UAD1 you can use the =
same=20
wrapper chainer and wrap the vst =
versions<BR>of<BR>>VST.<BR>>HINT: If=20
you buy chainer get the free Spinaudiolite and use its one=20
instance<BR>>to wrap only chainer.<BR>>So UAD1 plugins inside =
chainer=20
will retain knob functionality and lower<BR>the<BR>>latency down =
to 4096=20
samples for a normal UAD1 plugin.<BR>><BR>>12. If you wanna =
use all=20
things without buying anything you can doing this:<BR>>Get=20
Spinaudiolite FREE and wrap senderella.<BR>>Get FFX4 DX =
chainer=20
=
free<BR>>http://vincent.burel.free.fr/download/ffx4_FullDemo3.zip<BR>&=
gt;NOTE:=20
FFX-4 wraps/chains ONLY DX plugins whereas Chainer wrapps/chains=20
only<BR>>VST<BR>>HINT: From inside Chainer you can use FFX-4 =
so have=20
chainer to wrap DX and<BR>>VST....<BR>><BR>>13. FFX-4 also =
has a=20
low 4096 samples latency for UAD plugz. If you think<BR>>that is =
big note=20
that FXpansion wrapper that you guys were using gives =
16384<BR>>samples=20
of latency !!<BR>><BR>>14. So you wrap senderella with=20
Spinaudiolite.<BR>><BR>>15. You put senderella on the audio =
tracks you=20
wanna send to a reverb, put<BR>>the send volume accordingly and =
redirect=20
(full to the right) because<BR>>Spinaudio mixes two times the =
sound of=20
the track)<BR>><BR>>16. On audio tracks 15 and 16 you put two =
16bit=20
empty long files (5 minutes<BR>>or more,whatever)<BR>>17. On =
track 15=20
you open as STEREO the senderella again =
(spinaudiolite<BR>>wrapped) and=20
put senderella as receiver .<BR>>Then on next native slot you =
open FFX-4=20
on track 15 as STEREO again.<BR>><BR>>18. You open from inside =
FFX-4 a=20
UAD1 reverb or any other DX reverb (like<BR>>DSPFX)<BR>>If you =
put=20
UAD1 rvereb you get 4096 latency.<BR>>If you put a DX reverb you =
probably=20
will get 0 latency !!, so no<BR>>compensation needed at =
all.<BR>>It=20
ius like having AUX with DX effect for Paris !<BR>><BR>>19. =
Now if you=20
insist of using a UAD1 plugin reverb, the to compensate =
you<BR>>do the=20
following:<BR>><BR>>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the =
reverb=20
return on tracks 15 and<BR>>16-well even if you put it there too =
nothing=20
will happen anyway- )100ms<BR>to<BR>>the left and put voxengo =
sample=20
delay (Try this instead of AnalogX DX<BR>>plugin because =
you have=20
the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins NO LIMIT<BR>>Then put =
inside=20
latency plugin 384 samples to the right.<BR>>Thus all processed =
tracks=20
will be alligned to reverb return on tracks.<BR>><BR>>That is =
for=20
now.<BR>>Please ask questions so I can see where I did my wrong=20
=
homework...<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR >><BR>><BR>><BR>&=
gt;<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML >
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Regards,
Dimitrios
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:434aa59b$1@linux...
> ........which brings to mind the question, if Paris Hilton is screwing
> someone in the woods and a tree falls on them, does it actually make a
> sound?
>
>
>
> "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:434a5b2b@linux...
> > A thread about *nothing*
> >
> > Who will watch it?
> >
> >
> > El Miguel
> >
> >
> >
> > "Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
> > news:r7tjk1p7kdkt3m9m1go78iba4gue9h0gsn@4ax.com...
> > > On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:26:28 -0600, "DJ"
> > > <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >In order for this to be really effective, you need to record nothing,
> > copy
> > > >this to an adjacent track, invert the phase and then do a bounce.
> > > >
> > > >;oP
> > > >
> > > Now, that be some well-crafted nothing!
> > >
> > > yeah-- Chas
> >
> >
>
>Due to Hurricane Katrina and RITA I was without power here in New Orleans.
I posted a message But couldnt find any replaies it's about the error code
1/ffffffffffffff I get when I try to load my paris 2.2 I just went to windows
from win98 and it all worked fine a few months ago I changed to XP and hadnt
tried using the paris right before the strom I tried without any luck I didnt
install the BETA drivers still without any luck....... you guys have any
suggestions?
-JAYwell..........now that would depend on whether or not they actually heard
the tree before it landed on top of them and I guess we wouldn't know unless
theu were video taping it and the audio was enabled on the videocam. Also,
if the video showed them react to the falling of the tree before it struck
them, then that would also indicate something........but the bigger question
would be............if Paris Hilton is screwing someone in the woods and a
tree falls on them, does anyone care?
;o)
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:434ab639@linux...
> Yes a fucking wooden quality of sound...:)
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:434aa59b$1@linux...
> > ........which brings to mind the question, if Paris Hilton is screwing
> > someone in the woods and a tree falls on them, does it actually make a
> > sound?
> >
> >
> >
> > "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:434a5b2b@linux...
> > > A thread about *nothing*
> > >
> > > Who will watch it?
> > >
> > >
> > > El Miguel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
> > > news:r7tjk1p7kdkt3m9m1go78iba4gue9h0gsn@4ax.com...
> > > > On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:26:28 -0600, "DJ"
> > > > <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >In order for this to be really effective, you need to record
nothing,
> > > copy
> > > > >this to an adjacent track, invert the phase and then do a bounce.
> > > > >
> > > > >;oP
> > > > >
> > > > Now, that be some well-crafted nothing!
> > > >
> > > > yeah-- Chas
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>overheating will cause this.
"Phil Aiken" <paiken@partners.org> wrote in message news:434ab124$1@linux...
>
> I'm getting a large amount of crashes all of the sudden. Right in the
middle
> of a song playback will just stop, and the computer is frozen. I need to
> physically disconnect the power cord to restart it.
> Anybody else experience this?
> It is only happening as far as I can tell with Paris, and it is not
project
> specific, nor related to any particular plugins. I have rulled that out.
> I guess my next move is to remove one card at a time and see what happens
> unless someone has any other suggestions.
> Sigh.
>
> Oh yeah, Windows '98 - 2 card system...
>Much abliged.
WHat was your feeling with Mr. Monterello?
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>No,Joe Monterello is with Capital Bauer Ins I think in Albany,NY.
>
>Music Pro I think does the musicians union insurance now so they
>are pretty large I imagine.I saw some posts on Gearslutz that
>some people were getting bad service from them recently.
>
> When I called Heritage the VP answered the phone.I'm going to
>email him a list.Now no deductible might mean higher rates,but I
>haven't asked about rates with some deductable yet.
>
> I've heard some people saying they like Clarion.
>
> I'll let you know what I find.
>
>Pete
>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hmm, Is that the guy Joen Monterello that affilates with Mix Mag?
>>He told me there is a deductable. I thought it was 1000.00 that would mean
>>I would need a large loss for it to help. Btter thhan nothing but at 900.00
>>per year or so.
>>
>>Please let me know more about what you find.
>>I am in need as well. Where is Music pro from and what did you here?
>>
>>
>>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking for some insurance and they seem to look pretty good.
>>>Was going to check out MusicPro,but I've been hearing some not
>>>great reviews as of late.Might check Clarion too.
>>> Heritage looks like no deductibles which is nice.
>>>
>>>TIA,
>>>Pete
>>
>Dear DJ,
Yes I have thought of that several times.
I have contacted Spinaudio to make them do a buffer for us to change for the
lowest, I don't know who will come up with this but it can be done...
This multifxvst which is also free http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1068.html
This lowers latency to the 2048 samples !
The author promised to send me the code for further developing and Doug
asked for it to develop it so maybe we can make it with a smaller latency...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:434aa4a6$1@linux...
> >13. FFX-4 also has a low 4096 samples latency for UAD plugz. If you think
> that is big note that FXpansion wrapper that you guys were using gives
16384
> samples of latency !!<
>
> I have been reading your posts about this. I appreciate your efforts. You
> have done a whole lot of testing and in a previous post you mentioned a
way
> to get the sample latency of UAD-1 plugins down to 2048 samples, which is
> *fairly* close to a 50ms nudge in the Paris editor. If a wrapper can
> actually reduce latency, then why not write one that reduces it
altogether?
> Would this be possible to do?//........or at least might it be possible to
> actually write a UAD-1 > Paris latency compensator/wrapper with even less
> latency..........say exactly 88 samples, so it would corelate to 1 x Paris
> ms (or some incremental *Paris* nudge/slide). If it was specific to Paris
> editor increments such as:
>
> 1ms= 80 samples
> 5ms= 240 samples
> 10ms= 480 samples
> 25ms= 1120 samples
> 50ms= 2240 samples
> 75ms= 3360 samples
> 100ms= 4480 samples
>
> .............then the Voxengo/Sampleslide step cou
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Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
Registered: August 2005
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CKS (except for the reverb return on tracks 15
and
> > >16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway- )100ms
> > to
> > >the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of AnalogX DX
> > >plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins NO
LIMIT
> > >Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.
> > >Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb return on tracks.
> > >
> > >That is for now.
> > >Please ask questions so I can see where I did my wrong homework...
> > >Regards,
> > >Dimitrios
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>Phil,
Do you use any EDSTransfer string in Paris cfg ?
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Phil Aiken" <paiken@partners.org> wrote in message news:434ab124$1@linux...
>
> I'm getting a large amount of crashes all of the sudden. Right in the
middle
> of a song playback will just stop, and the computer is frozen. I need to
> physically disconnect the power cord to restart it.
> Anybody else experience this?
> It is only happening as far as I can tell with Paris, and it is not
project
> specific, nor related to any particular plugins. I have rulled that out.
> I guess my next move is to remove one card at a time and see what happens
> unless someone has any other suggestions.
> Sigh.
>
> Oh yeah, Windows '98 - 2 card system...
>Actually haven't talked to him yet.Gave them a call,but they're closed today.
Pete
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>Much abliged.
>WHat was your feeling with Mr. Monterello?
>
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>No,Joe Monterello is with Capital Bauer Ins I think in Albany,NY.
>>
>>Music Pro I think does the musicians union insurance now so they
>>are pretty large I imagine.I saw some posts on Gearslutz that
>>some people were getting bad service from them recently.
>>
>> When I called Heritage the VP answered the phone.I'm going to
>>email him a list.Now no deductible might mean higher rates,but I
>>haven't asked about rates with some deductable yet.
>>
>> I've heard some people saying they like Clarion.
>>
>> I'll let you know what I find.
>>
>>Pete
>>
>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hmm, Is that the guy Joen Monterello that affilates with Mix Mag?
>>>He told me there is a deductable. I thought it was 1000.00 that would
mean
>>>I would need a large loss for it to help. Btter thhan nothing but at 900.00
>>>per year or so.
>>>
>>>Please let me know more about what you find.
>>>I am in need as well. Where is Music pro from and what did you here?
>>>
>>>
>>>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Looking for some insurance and they seem to look pretty good.
>>>>Was going to check out MusicPro,but I've been hearing some not
>>>>great reviews as of late.Might check Clarion too.
>>>> Heritage looks like no deductibles which is nice.
>>>>
>>>>TIA,
>>>>Pete
>>>
>>
>Have you followed EVERY step EXACTLY as laid out here?:
http://homepage.mac.com/osxlover/ParisFAQs/parisonxp.html
David.
Jay wrote:
> Due to Hurricane Katrina and RITA I was without power here in New Orleans.
> I posted a message But couldnt find any replaies it's about the error code
> 1/ffffffffffffff I get when I try to load my paris 2.2 I just went to windows
> from win98 and it all worked fine a few months ago I changed to XP and hadnt
> tried using the paris right before the strom I tried without any luck I didnt
> install the BETA drivers still without any luck....... you guys have any
> suggestions?
>
> -JAYDepends if it is a rare tree or not.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>well..........now that would depend on whether or not they actually heard
>the tree before it landed on top of them and I guess we wouldn't know unless
>theu were video taping it and the audio was enabled on the videocam. Also,
>if the video showed them react to the falling of the tree before it struck
>them, then that would also indicate something........but the bigger question
>would be............if Paris Hilton is screwing someone in the woods and
a
>tree falls on them, does anyone care?
>
>;o)
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:434ab639@linux...
>> Yes a fucking wooden quality of sound...:)
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:434aa59b$1@linux...
>> > ........which brings to mind the question, if Paris Hilton is screwing
>> > someone in the woods and a tree falls on them, does it actually make
a
>> > sound?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:434a5b2b@linux...
>> > > A thread about *nothing*
>> > >
>> > > Who will watch it?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > El Miguel
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
>> > > news:r7tjk1p7kdkt3m9m1go78iba4gue9h0gsn@4ax.com...
>> > > > On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:26:28 -0600, "DJ"
>> > > > <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >In order for this to be really effective, you need to record
>nothing,
>> > > copy
>> > > > >this to an adjacent track, invert the phase and then do a bounce.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >;oP
>> > > > >
>> > > > Now, that be some well-crafted nothing!
>> > > >
>> > > > yeah-- Chas
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
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Dimitrios,
My problems were not crashing Paris but rendering my C drive unbootable.
It may have been an unrelated problem but it was traumatizing. Thanks =
for
the quick response too. =20
It would be sweet to have the lowest latency (reverbs with no =
compensation)
and a number that relates to Paris' 1 ms nudge. I'm all for that.
Tom
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
news:434ab602@linux...
Dear Tom,
You may have had problems because of console...
This damn nice chainer is a nogo (at least for now) with Paris.
It crashes Paris a lot.
I don't use any automation in Paris yet...
You know I am new here...
Maybe you used EDSTransfer=3D8,8 which is also a no go for Paris.
Too many streaming errors.
use 8,16
Spinaudio wraps senderella in a way that if you don't rfedirct the =
sound the sound almost doubles its volumeChainer does not do that...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:434aa820@linux...
Dimitrios,
You a powerhouse of information! Your work with
Paris and associated plugins is great for us all.
A couple of questions:
#1) What do you mean by two times the sound?
Step 15: and redirect (full to the right) because
>Spinaudio mixes two times the sound of the track)
#2) Do you have problems with Paris automation with everything =
nudged?
If I have muted my tom tracks and nudge them the automation will
be off. If I nudge install effects and then mute toms would ths =
solve the problem?
>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks =
15 and
>16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway- =
)100ms
to
>the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of AnalogX =
DX
>plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins NO =
LIMIT
>Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.
>Thus all processed tracks will be alli
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Mon, 10 October 2005 12:45 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
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>18. You open from inside FFX-4 a UAD1 reverb or any other DX =
reverb (like
>DSPFX)
>If you put UAD1 rvereb you get 4096 latency.
>If you put a DX reverb you probably will get 0 latency !!, so no
>compensation needed at all.
>It ius like having AUX with DX effect for Paris !
>
>19. Now if you insist of using a UAD1 plugin reverb, the to =
compensate you
>do the following:
>
>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks =
15 and
>16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway- =
)100ms
to
>the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of =
AnalogX DX
>plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins =
NO LIMIT
>Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.
>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb return on =
tracks.
>
>That is for now.
>Please ask questions so I can see where I did my wrong =
homework...
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My problems were not crashing Paris but =
rendering=20
my C drive unbootable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It may have been an unrelated problem =
but it was=20
traumatizing. Thanks for</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the quick response too. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It would be sweet to have the lowest =
latency=20
(reverbs with no compensation)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and a number that relates to Paris' 1 =
ms=20
nudge. I'm all for that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<A href=3D"news:434ab602@linux">news:434ab602@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Tom,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You may have had problems because of=20
console...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This damn nice chainer is a nogo (at =
least for=20
now) with Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It crashes Paris a lot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't use any automation in Paris=20
yet...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You know I am new =
here...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe you used EDSTransfer=3D8,8 =
which is also a no=20
go for Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Too many streaming =
errors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>use 8,16</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spinaudio wraps senderella in a way =
that if you=20
don't rfedirct the sound the sound almost doubles its volumeChainer =
does not=20
do that...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:434aa820@linux">news:434aa820@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You a powerhouse of =
information! Your=20
work with</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris and associated plugins is =
great for us=20
all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A couple of questions:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>#1) What do you mean =
by two times=20
the sound</FONT>?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Step 15: <FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman"=20
size=3D3>and redirect (full to the right) because<BR>>Spinaudio =
mixes two=20
times the sound of the track)</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>#2) Do you have problems with Paris =
automation with=20
everything nudged?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>If I have muted my tom tracks and nudge them =
the=20
automation will</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be off. If I nudge install effects and =
then mute=20
toms would ths solve the problem?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>>You=20
nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks 15=20
and<BR>>16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen =
anyway-=20
)100ms<BR>to<BR>>the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this =
instead=20
of AnalogX DX<BR>>plugin because you have the 64 plugin =
limit and=20
with VST plugins NO LIMIT<BR>>Then put inside latency plugin 384 =
samples=20
to the right.<BR>>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to =
reverb=20
return on tracks.<BR>></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>If I could=20
only wrap my head around all of this I'd be all set. The first =
time=20
you posted</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>about=20
Senderella and Chainer I used it for a while then my C drive became =
useless.=20
I'm</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>still not=20
sure why. I'm afraid to try it again now but that's just =
me. I=20
think if I can</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>understand it clearly I'll be able to implement it more =
easily. =20
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>You are=20
helping me with this explanation and it's appreciated=20
greatly.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>Thanks for=20
your effort once again,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Tom</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><BR> </DIV></FONT>
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<DIV>"Mike R." <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:emarenot@yahoo.com">emarenot@yahoo.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:434a807e$1@linux">news:434a807e$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Dimi=
trios,=20
thanks for the effort to put this together. I'm adding this =
to<BR>my=20
"paris keepers" file. <BR>MR<BR><BR>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>Ok,<BR>>Due to the many posts that maybe =
misleading if=20
you don't follow all of them<BR>>in the right order I decided =
to=20
summarize what I know regarding senderella<BR>>and its use with =
Paris=20
.<BR>><BR>>1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top =
the=20
string EDSTransfer=3D8,16 =20
<BR>You<BR>>could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio =
streaming.=20
The 8,16 seems<BR>>like the magical number, remember I tried =
them=20
all....<BR>>This is needed because then Senderella works =
realtime NO=20
LATENCY as a buss<BR>>inside Paris.<BR>>Senderella seems =
like the=20
greatest discovery amoung FREE plugins for Paris,<BR>>link: <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1433.html">http://www.kvraudio.com/ge=
t/1433.html</A><BR>>Senderella=20
newest version has a redirect option so you can send the =
signal<BR>>and=20
not hear (or hear) the dry signal if you want.<BR>>It has 64 =
bussses !=20
nad now saves its condition and prest (the version<BR>>before =
could=20
not) after saving your song.<BR>><BR>>2. Senderella works =
across=20
submixes ! but the latency in beetween submixes<BR>>has to be =
taken=20
into consideration.<BR>><BR>>3. So possible uses =
are<BR>>a} Use=20
your favorite DX/VST/UAD1/POWERCORE /EXTERNAL DEVICE reverb as=20
abuss<BR>>with senderella.<BR>>You occupy two Paris audio =
tracks for=20
your reverb return using 16bit (24bit<BR>>works too) silence =
paf=20
file.<BR>>Here you can create a long 5 minute file or bigger =
and have=20
it in handy<BR>>anytime you want it.<BR>>b) Use your =
favourite=20
compressor VST/DX/UAD!/POWERCORE/EXTERNAL for=20
buss<BR>>compression.<BR>><BR>>4. On both uses the method =
is=20
around the same.<BR>><BR>>5. Senderella although showing up =
as it is=20
in Paris as vst does not let<BR>the<BR>>audio pass the plugin, =
It stops=20
in senderella so only WET signal can be<BR>>send.<BR>>this =
is useful=20
only for bussing say dsrumtracks to a cmpressor and not =
need<BR>>to=20
have also the dry tracks playing.<BR>>In that situation no =
wrapper=20
needs for senderella.<BR>>But for full use and potential =
senderella=20
needs to be wrapped<BR>><BR>>6. Wrappers that can be used =
are the=20
FREE Spinaudio=20
=
lite<BR>> http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.php?download_type=3D3& ;amp;=
download_id=3D33 =20
which<BR>>can wrap ONLY one VST plugin.<BR>>So here you can =
wrap one=20
instance of senderella and use it as send =
for<BR>>reverbs.<BR>>If=20
you buy Spinaudio ofcourse you can have as many plugins wrapped as =
you<BR>>want.<BR>><BR>>7.. Senderella by renaming its dll =
like=20
send1,send2,send3 etc can be used<BR>as<BR>>many times as you =
want it=20
is that simple.<BR>><BR>>8. you need to have 16bit files =
(empty) on=20
the receining senderella<BR>>instances.<BR>><BR>>9. If =
you have=20
multiple cards then use (if you want it across =
submixes)<BR>>tracks 15=20
and 16 of your last card, so that all sending instances are=20
bfore<BR>>these two.<BR>><BR>>10. On Me works but I =
haven't got=20
very stable resluts which may be my<BR>>computer though so you =
could=20
give some more tests but on XP works just=20
fine<BR>>here.<BR>><BR>>11. So to come to its actual=20
use<BR>>First you wrap as we said senderella, I prefer chainer =
because=20
chainer is<BR>>extremely stable and has some good functinality =
like dry=20
and wet volumes<BR>>many slots midi automation preset handling=20
etc.<BR>>Note that here we need a VST chainer/wrapper because=20
senderella is only<BR>VST.<BR>>For UAD1 you can use the same =
wrapper=20
chainer and wrap the vst versions<BR>of<BR>>VST.<BR>>HINT: =
If you=20
buy chainer get the free Spinaudiolite and use its one =
instance<BR>>to=20
wrap only chainer.<BR>>So UAD1 plugins inside chainer will =
retain knob=20
functionality and lower<BR>the<BR>>latency down to 4096 samples =
for a=20
normal UAD1 plugin.<BR>><BR>>12. If you wanna use all things =
without=20
buying anything you can doing this:<BR>>Get Spinaudiolite =
FREE=20
and wrap senderella.<BR>>Get FFX4 DX chainer=20
=
free<BR>>http://vincent.burel.free.fr/download/ffx4_FullDemo3.zip<BR>&=
gt;NOTE:=20
FFX-4 wraps/chains ONLY DX plugins whereas Chainer wrapps/chains=20
only<BR>>VST<BR>>HINT: From inside Chainer you can use FFX-4 =
so have=20
chainer to wrap DX and<BR>>VST....<BR>><BR>>13. FFX-4 =
also has a=20
low 4096 samples latency for UAD plugz. If you think<BR>>that =
is big=20
note that FXpansion wrapper that you guys were using gives=20
16384<BR>>samples of latency !!<BR>><BR>>14. So you wrap=20
senderella with Spinaudiolite.<BR>><BR>>15. You put =
senderella on=20
the audio tracks you wanna send to a reverb, put<BR>>the send =
volume=20
accordingly and redirect (full to the right) =
because<BR>>Spinaudio=20
mixes two times the sound of the track)<BR>><BR>>16. On =
audio tracks=20
15 and 16 you put two 16bit empty long files (5 minutes<BR>>or=20
more,whatever)<BR>>17. On track 15 you open as STEREO the =
senderella=20
again (spinaudiolite<BR>>wrapped) and put senderella as =
receiver=20
.<BR>>Then on next native slot you open FFX-4 on track 15 as =
STEREO=20
again.<BR>><BR>>18. You open from inside FFX-4 a UAD1 reverb =
or any=20
other DX reverb (like<BR>>DSPFX)<BR>>If you put UAD1 rvereb =
you get=20
4096 latency.<BR>>If you put a DX reverb you probably will get =
0=20
latency !!, so no<BR>>compensation needed at all.<BR>>It ius =
like=20
having AUX with DX effect for Paris !<BR>><BR>>19. Now if =
you insist=20
of using a UAD1 plugin reverb, the to compensate you<BR>>do the =
following:<BR>><BR>>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for =
the reverb=20
return on tracks 15 and<BR>>16-well even if you put it there =
too=20
nothing will happen anyway- )100ms<BR>to<BR>>the left and put =
voxengo=20
sample delay (Try this instead of AnalogX DX<BR>>plugin =
because=20
you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins NO =
LIMIT<BR>>Then put=20
inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.<BR>>Thus all =
processed=20
tracks will be alligned to reverb return on =
tracks.<BR>><BR>>That is=20
for now.<BR>>Please ask questions so I can see where I did my =
wrong=20
=
homework...<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR >><BR>><BR>><BR>&=
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------=_NextPart_000_0430_01C5CDB1.A9EBDE40--"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>Yes a fucking wooden quality of sound...:)
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
It makes a different sound if she spreads her legs at the right moment.
And if she screams, you know she's faking it. After all, women suck air
in when they get off, not out.
James
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:434aa59b$1@linux...
>> ........which brings to mind the question, if Paris Hilton is screwing
>> someone in the woods and a tree falls on them, does it actually make a
>> sound?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:434a5b2b@linux...
>> > A thread about *nothing*
>> >
>> > Who will watch it?
>> >
>> >
>> > El Miguel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
>> > news:r7tjk1p7kdkt3m9m1go78iba4gue9h0gsn@4ax.com...
>> > > On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:26:28 -0600, "DJ"
>> > > <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >In order for this to be really effective, you need to record nothing,
>> > copy
>> > > >this to an adjacent track, invert the phase and then do a bounce.
>> > > >
>> > > >;oP
>> > > >
>> > > Now, that be some well-crafted nothing!
>> > >
>> > > yeah-- Chas
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Hi,
Maybe it was console doing that.
I had many blue screens.
You can have reverbs with no compensation !!
Just use DX reverbs.
Most of them are of 0 latency.
Truverb, DSPFX, Princeton 2016, almost all I tested are of 0 latency.
SIR is not
So using senderella and DX efeect you don't need to compensate.
My thoughts were to use only 0 latency plugins ...
Thats why I tested several compressors and posted some free good ones.
Waves C1 is not best but is 0 latency too.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:434ac5d4@linux...
Dimitrios,
My problems were not crashing Paris but rendering my C drive =
unbootable.
It may have been an unrelated problem but it was traumatizing. Thanks =
for
the quick response too. =20
It would be sweet to have the lowest latency (reverbs with no =
compensation)
and a number that relates to Paris' 1 ms nudge. I'm all for that.
Tom
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
news:434ab602@linux...
Dear Tom,
You may have had problems because of console...
This damn nice chainer is a nogo (at least for now) with Paris.
It crashes Paris a lot.
I don't use any automation in Paris yet...
You know I am new here...
Maybe you used EDSTransfer=3D8,8 which is also a no go for Paris.
Too many streaming errors.
use 8,16
Spinaudio wraps senderella in a way that if you don't rfedirct the =
sound the sound almost doubles its volumeChainer does not do that...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:434aa820@linux...
Dimitrios,
You a powerhouse of information! Your work with
Paris and associated plugins is great for us all.
A couple of questions:
#1) What do you mean by two times the sound?
Step 15: and redirect (full to the right) because
>Spinaudio mixes two times the sound of the track)
#2) Do you have problems with Paris automation with everything =
nudged?
If I have muted my tom tracks and nudge them the automation will
be off. If I nudge install effects and then mute toms would ths =
solve the problem?
>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks =
15 and
>16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway- =
)100ms
to
>the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of =
AnalogX DX
>plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins =
NO LIMIT
>Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.
>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb return on =
tracks.
>
If I could only wrap my head around all of this I'd be all set. =
The first time you posted
about Senderella and Chainer I used it for a while then my C drive =
became useless. I'm
still not sure why. I'm afraid to try it again now but that's =
just me. I think if I can
understand it clearly I'll be able to implement it more easily. =20
You are helping me with this explanation and it's appreciated =
greatly.
Thanks for your effort once again,
Tom
=20
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:434a807e$1@linux...
Dimitrios, thanks for the effort to put this together. I'm =
adding this to
my "paris keepers" file. =20
MR
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>Ok,
>Due to the many posts that maybe misleading if you don't follow =
all of them
>in the right order I decided to summarize what I know regarding =
senderella
>and its use with Paris .
>
>1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top the string =
EDSTransfer=3D8,16 =20
You
>could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio streaming. The =
8,16 seems
>like the magical number, remember I tried them all....
>This is needed because then Senderella works realtime NO =
LATENCY as a buss
>inside Paris.
>Senderella seems like the greatest discovery amoung FREE =
plugins for Paris,
>link: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1433.html
>Senderella newest version has a redirect option so you can send =
the signal
>and not hear (or hear) the dry signal if you want.
>It has 64 bussses ! nad now saves its condition and prest (the =
version
>before could not) after saving your song.
>
>2. Senderella works across submixes ! but the latency in =
beetween submixes
>has to be taken into consideration.
>
>3. So possible uses are
>a} Use your favorite DX/VST/UAD1/POWERCORE /EXTERNAL DEVICE =
reverb as abuss
>with senderella.
>You occupy two Paris audio tracks for your reverb return using =
16bit (24bit
>works too) silence paf file.
>Here you can create a long 5 minute file or bigger and have it =
in handy
>anytime you want it.
>b) Use your favourite compressor VST/DX/UAD!/POWERCORE/EXTERNAL =
for buss
>compression.
>
>4. On both uses the method is around the same.
>
>5. Senderella although showing up as it is in Paris as vst does =
not let
the
>audio pass the plugin, It stops in senderella so only WET =
signal can be
>send.
>this is useful only for bussing say dsrumtracks to a cmpressor =
and not need
>to have also the dry tracks playing.
>In that situation no wrapper needs for senderella.
>But for full use and potential senderella needs to be wrapped
>
>6. Wrappers that can be used are the FREE Spinaudio lite
=
> http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.php?download_type=3D3& ;download_id=3D3=
3 which
>can wrap ONLY one VST plugin.
>So here you can wrap one instance of senderella and use it as =
send for
>reverbs.
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Mon, 10 October 2005 13:13 |
Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
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have chainer to =
wrap DX and
>VST....
>
>13. FFX-4 also has a low 4096 samples latency for UAD plugz. If =
you think
>that is big note that FXpansion wrapper that you guys were =
using gives 16384
>samples of latency !!
>
>14. So you wrap senderella with Spinaudiolite.
>
>15. You put senderella on the audio tracks you wanna send to a =
reverb, put
>the send volume accordingly and redirect (full to the right) =
because
>Spinaudio mixes two times the sound of the track)
>
>16. On audio tracks 15 and 16 you put two 16bit empty long =
files (5 minutes
>or more,whatever)
>17. On track 15 you open as STEREO the senderella again =
(spinaudiolite
>wrapped) and put senderella as receiver .
>Then on next native slot you open FFX-4 on track 15 as STEREO =
again.
>
>18. You open from inside FFX-4 a UAD1 reverb or any other DX =
reverb (like
>DSPFX)
>If you put UAD1 rvereb you get 4096 latency.
>If you put a DX reverb you probably will get 0 latency !!, so =
no
>compensation needed at all.
>It ius like having AUX with DX effect for Paris !
>
>19. Now if you insist of using a UAD1 plugin reverb, the to =
compensate you
>do the following:
>
>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on =
tracks 15 and
>16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen =
anyway- )100ms
to
>the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of =
AnalogX DX
>plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST =
plugins NO LIMIT
>Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.
>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb return on =
tracks.
>
>That is for now.
>Please ask questions so I can see where I did my wrong =
homework...
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe it was console doing =
that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I had many blue screens.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You can have reverbs with no =
compensation=20
!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just use DX reverbs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most of them are of 0 =
latency.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Truverb, DSPFX, Princeton 2016, almost =
all I tested=20
are of 0 latency.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>SIR is not</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So using senderella and DX efeect you =
don't need to=20
compensate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My thoughts were to use only 0 latency =
plugins=20
....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thats why I tested several compressors =
and posted=20
some free good ones.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Waves C1 is not best but is 0 latency=20
too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:434ac5d4@linux">news:434ac5d4@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My problems were not crashing Paris =
but rendering=20
my C drive unbootable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It may have been an unrelated problem =
but it was=20
traumatizing. Thanks for</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the quick response too. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It would be sweet to have the lowest =
latency=20
(reverbs with no compensation)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and a number that relates to Paris' 1 =
ms=20
nudge. I'm all for that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:434ab602@linux">news:434ab602@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Tom,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You may have had problems because =
of=20
console...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This damn nice chainer is a nogo =
(at least for=20
now) with Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It crashes Paris a =
lot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't use any automation in Paris =
yet...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You know I am new =
here...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe you used EDSTransfer=3D8,8 =
which is also a=20
no go for Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Too many streaming =
errors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>use 8,16</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spinaudio wraps senderella in a way =
that if you=20
don't rfedirct the sound the sound almost doubles its volumeChainer =
does not=20
do that...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:434aa820@linux">news:434aa820@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You a powerhouse of =
information! Your=20
work with</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris and associated plugins is =
great for us=20
all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A couple of =
questions:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>#1) What do you =
mean by two=20
times the sound</FONT>?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Step 15: <FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman"=20
size=3D3>and redirect (full to the right) because<BR>>Spinaudio =
mixes two=20
times the sound of the track)</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>#2) Do you have problems with Paris =
automation with=20
everything nudged?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>If I have muted my tom tracks and nudge =
them the=20
automation will</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be off. If I nudge install effects =
and then=20
mute toms would ths solve the problem?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>>You=20
nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks 15=20
and<BR>>16-well even if you put it there too nothing will =
happen=20
anyway- )100ms<BR>to<BR>>the left and put voxengo sample delay =
(Try=20
this instead of AnalogX DX<BR>>plugin because you have =
the 64=20
plugin limit and with VST plugins NO LIMIT<BR>>Then put inside =
latency=20
plugin 384 samples to the right.<BR>>Thus all processed tracks =
will be=20
alligned to reverb return on tracks.<BR>></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>If I=20
could only wrap my head around all of this I'd be all set. =
The first=20
time you posted</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>about=20
Senderella and Chainer I used it for a while then my C drive =
became=20
useless. I'm</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>still not=20
sure why. I'm afraid to try it again now but that's just =
me. I=20
think if I can</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>understand it clearly I'll be able to implement it more =
easily. =20
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>You are=20
helping me with this explanation and it's appreciated=20
greatly.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>Thanks=20
for your effort once again,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Tom</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><BR> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><BR></DIV></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Mike R." <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:emarenot@yahoo.com">emarenot@yahoo.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:434a807e$1@linux">news:434a807e$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Dimi=
trios,=20
thanks for the effort to put this together. I'm adding =
this=20
to<BR>my "paris keepers" file. <BR>MR<BR><BR>"Dimitrios" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>Ok,<BR>>Due to the many posts that maybe =
misleading if=20
you don't follow all of them<BR>>in the right order I decided =
to=20
summarize what I know regarding senderella<BR>>and its use =
with Paris=20
.<BR>><BR>>1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top =
the=20
string EDSTransfer=3D8,16 =20
<BR>You<BR>>could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio =
streaming.=20
The 8,16 seems<BR>>like the magical number, remember I tried =
them=20
all....<BR>>This is needed because then Senderella works =
realtime NO=20
LATENCY as a buss<BR>>inside Paris.<BR>>Senderella seems =
like the=20
greatest discovery amoung FREE plugins for Paris,<BR>>link: =
<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1433.html">http://www.kvraudio.com/ge=
t/1433.html</A><BR>>Senderella=20
newest version has a redirect option so you can send the=20
signal<BR>>and not hear (or hear) the dry signal if you=20
want.<BR>>It has 64 bussses ! nad now saves its condition and =
prest=20
(the version<BR>>before could not) after saving your=20
song.<BR>><BR>>2. Senderella works across submixes ! but =
the=20
latency in beetween submixes<BR>>has to be taken into=20
consideration.<BR>><BR>>3. So possible uses are<BR>>a} =
Use your=20
favorite DX/VST/UAD1/POWERCORE /EXTERNAL DEVICE reverb as=20
abuss<BR>>with senderella.<BR>>You occupy two Paris audio =
tracks=20
for your reverb return using 16bit (24bit<BR>>works too) =
silence paf=20
file.<BR>>Here you can create a long 5 minute file or bigger =
and have=20
it in handy<BR>>anytime you want it.<BR>>b) Use your =
favourite=20
compressor VST/DX/UAD!/POWERCORE/EXTERNAL for=20
buss<BR>>compression.<BR>><BR>>4. On both uses the =
method is=20
around the same.<BR>><BR>>5. Senderella although showing =
up as it=20
is in Paris as vst does not let<BR>the<BR>>audio pass the =
plugin, It=20
stops in senderella so only WET signal can =
be<BR>>send.<BR>>this=20
is useful only for bussing say dsrumtracks to a cmpressor and =
not=20
need<BR>>to have also the dry tracks playing.<BR>>In that=20
situation no wrapper needs for senderella.<BR>>But for full =
use and=20
potential senderella needs to be wrapped<BR>><BR>>6. =
Wrappers that=20
can be used are the FREE Spinaudio=20
=
lite<BR>> http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.php?download_type=3D3& ;amp;=
download_id=3D33 =20
which<BR>>can wrap ONLY one VST plugin.<BR>>So here you =
can wrap=20
one instance of senderella and use it as send=20
for<BR>>reverbs.<BR>>If you buy Spinaudio ofcourse you can =
have as=20
many plugins wrapped as you<BR>>want.<BR>><BR>>7.. =
Senderella=20
by renaming its dll like send1,send2,send3 etc can be=20
used<BR>as<BR>>many times as you want it is that=20
simple.<BR>><BR>>8. you need to have 16bit files (empty) =
on the=20
receining senderella<BR>>instances.<BR>><BR>>9. If you =
have=20
multiple cards then use (if you want it across =
submixes)<BR>>tracks=20
15 and 16 of your last card, so that all sending instances are=20
bfore<BR>>these two.<BR>><BR>>10. On Me works but I =
haven't got=20
very stable resluts which may be my<BR>>computer though so =
you could=20
give some more tests but on XP works just=20
fine<BR>>here.<BR>><BR>>11. So to come to its actual=20
use<BR>>First you wrap as we said senderella, I prefer =
chainer=20
because chainer is<BR>>extremely stable and has some good=20
functinality like dry and wet volumes<BR>>many slots midi =
automation=20
preset handling etc.<BR>>Note that here we need a VST =
chainer/wrapper=20
because senderella is only<BR>VST.<BR>>For UAD1 you can use =
the same=20
wrapper chainer and wrap the vst =
versions<BR>of<BR>>VST.<BR>>HINT:=20
If you buy chainer get the free Spinaudiolite and use its one=20
instance<BR>>to wrap only chainer.<BR>>So UAD1 plugins =
inside=20
chainer will retain knob functionality and =
lower<BR>the<BR>>latency=20
down to 4096 samples for a normal UAD1 =
plugin.<BR>><BR>>12. If you=20
wanna use all things without buying anything you can doing=20
this:<BR>>Get Spinaudiolite FREE and wrap=20
senderella.<BR>>Get FFX4 DX chainer=20
=
free<BR>>http://vincent.burel.free.fr/download/ffx4_FullDemo3.zip<BR>&=
gt;NOTE:=20
FFX-4 wraps/chains ONLY DX plugins whereas Chainer wrapps/chains =
only<BR>>VST<BR>>HINT: From inside Chainer you can use =
FFX-4 so=20
have chainer to wrap DX and<BR>>VST....<BR>><BR>>13. =
FFX-4 also=20
has a low 4096 samples latency for UAD plugz. If you =
think<BR>>that=20
is big note that FXpansion wrapper that you guys were using =
gives=20
16384<BR>>samples of latency !!<BR>><BR>>14. So you =
wrap=20
senderella with Spinaudiolite.<BR>><BR>>15. You put =
senderella on=20
the audio tracks you wanna send to a reverb, put<BR>>the send =
volume=20
accordingly and redirect (full to the right) =
because<BR>>Spinaudio=20
mixes two times the sound of the track)<BR>><BR>>16. On =
audio=20
tracks 15 and 16 you put two 16bit empty long files (5 =
minutes<BR>>or=20
more,whatever)<BR>>17. On track 15 you open as STEREO the =
senderella=20
again (spinaudiolite<BR>>wrapped) and put senderella as =
receiver=20
.<BR>>Then on next native slot you open FFX-4 on track 15 as =
STEREO=20
again.<BR>><BR>>18. You open from inside FFX-4 a UAD1 =
reverb or=20
any other DX reverb (like<BR>>DSPFX)<BR>>If you put UAD1 =
rvereb=20
you get 4096 latency.<BR>>If you put a DX reverb you probably =
will=20
get 0 latency !!, so no<BR>>compensation needed at =
all.<BR>>It ius=20
like having AUX with DX effect for Paris !<BR>><BR>>19. =
Now if you=20
insist of using a UAD1 plugin reverb, the to compensate =
you<BR>>do=20
the following:<BR>><BR>>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except =
for the=20
reverb return on tracks 15 and<BR>>16-well even if you put it =
there=20
too nothing will happen anyway- )100ms<BR>to<BR>>the left and =
put=20
voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of AnalogX =
DX<BR>>plugin=20
because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins NO=20
LIMIT<BR>>Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the=20
right.<BR>>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to =
reverb=20
return on tracks.<BR>><BR>>That is for now.<BR>>Please =
ask=20
questions so I can see where I did my wrong=20
=
homework...<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR >><BR>><BR>><BR>&=
gt;<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY=
></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5CDF0.294EC380--Sorry here too that you couldn't make the Paris dinner. It was great
hanging out with Sakis, Adrian, Gene, Morgan, Chris, and guests. Of
course, the time flew by, but still we managed to cover many topics
and cry yet another round in our beer about the demise of Paris.
As far as the show goes, I had a great time, hauled in several pounds
of brouchures and trinkets, and renewed some friendships made in past
years. I saw Mr. and Mrs. Neve at one point, but my brush with
greatness was standing next to Les Paul at the John Hardy booth. I was
close enough to get his cooties, and those would be rockin',
change-the-way-we-make-music cooties, not those
please-buy-our-gear-before-we-go-broke cooties that were so prevalent.
On the gear front, I would have to say that everyone and his sister
seems to be making ribbons these days. That's cool, but I still like
my Wes Dooley R-84 the best. Also, his assistant let it slip that he
is working on a preamp for his mics. That will be very interesting.
My oogle piece of gear is the Muse Receptor. It was being hyped at the
last AES/NY show, but last time I checked was still in its early
growth stages. However, it seems that many software houses are working
with Muse and there is a ton of stuff to work with it. Sadly Waves and
UAD are not on the list, but Native Instruments is, and thats what I
want. Look for a posting on the forsale group soon as I sell my
hardware synths off to pay for one of these Receptors.
Another piece of gear that caught my eye was the new Lavry DA-10, a
competitor to the very popular Benchmark DAC-1. Lavry has a reputation
for making the best convertors, so it will be interesting to see how
these boxes duke it out in the coming year. Also, the Presonus/DeMaria
Labs preamp looks like a nice unit.
Finally, the Waves MaxxBCL was almost the first thing I saw when I
walked into the show, and it had me drooling (more than usual) the
rest of the day. If mom is reading this forum, I would really like one
of these under the tree this December, hint, hint.
As for laughs, I had a few. First, chatting with Grant Carpenter, who
makes the incredible Gordon preamps, and having him explain that
changing the dye color of his PCBs increased performance of his latest
generation of preamps. If you can discern the electron flow variations
between red and green PCBs, then you probably can see dead people,
receive transmissions from alien civilizations, and makeout the
rotting corpse of Jimmy Hoffa from deep below the Javitz Center!
Next, there was the poor Korean fellow trying to sell PC-board power
amps. He had a pretty esoteric product, marginal English language
skills, and a booth in the middle of much more interesting gear. Hope
next time he takes my suggestion and hires some busty, young women to
help him get his message across.
Finally, the chap with the mic mount that uses three long screws to
hold the mic instead of some suspension system. His rig certainly
looks like it works, but his enthusiasm for quoting glowing reports
from engineers I have never heard of really cracked me up. Somehow, I
just can't imagine how a clamping clip over a rubber band clip can
make that much difference in the performance of a $3000 mic. But this
guy has data plots to prove it!
Well, as you see, I had a fun day in the Big Apple. Come on and join
my in 2007 as we do it again.
- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland
On 10 Oct 2005 23:49:45 +1000, "Tyrone Corbett"
<tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Unfortunately, I was out of town and missed the AES/Paris meet and greet,
>but I did have a couple of hours yesterday to go to the show and mill about
>for a bit. I was impressed with the number of high-end desks with small footprints
>by the "big guns". I even ran across the "Star Trek" desk that Gene posted
>a picture of a while back (can't recall the manufacturer).
>
>I had an opportunity to check out a number of mic's (though extremely difficult
>to discern much with all the ambient noise). Despite this circumstance, I
>heard a couple that were interesting. There was a Braumer mic that was suggested
>by a respected colleague...can't recall the model, but was pretty nice in
>the $1,200 dollar range. I also met Tony ?? from Telefunken...they have a
>couple of "economy" mic's that were pretty nice. Although Mojave was not
>represented, I was able to check out the SE Gemini and indeed it sounded
>nice.... particularly so at the price point that Morgan has offered. I think
>I was equally impressed with the girth and weight (Deej, you weren’t kidding
>about the support issue).
>
>The highlight for me was meeting Rupert Neve...affable guy. I purchased his
>new pre "Portico"...seems pretty impressive (thanks for the heads up Gene)
>and he said he would grace the box with his signature.
>
>It would have been nice too hook up with my fellow Parisites, but hey, there's
>always next time.
>
>TyroneHey D, which of these verbs are you likeing?
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>
>Hi,
>Maybe it was console doing that.
>I had many blue screens.
>You can have reverbs with no compensation !!
>Just use DX reverbs.
>Most of them are of 0 latency.
>Truverb, DSPFX, Princeton 2016, almost all I tested are of 0 latency.
>SIR is not
>So using senderella and DX efeect you don't need to compensate.
>My thoughts were to use only 0 latency plugins ...
>Thats why I tested several compressors and posted some free good ones.
>Waves C1 is not best but is 0 latency too.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>news:434ac5d4@linux...
> Dimitrios,
> My problems were not crashing Paris but rendering my C drive =
>unbootable.
> It may have been an unrelated problem but it was traumatizing. Thanks
=
>for
> the quick response too. =20
>
> It would be sweet to have the lowest latency (reverbs with no =
>compensation)
> and a number that relates to Paris' 1 ms nudge. I'm all for that.
> Tom
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
>news:434ab602@linux...
> Dear Tom,
> You may have had problems because of console...
> This damn nice chainer is a nogo (at least for now) with Paris.
> It crashes Paris a lot.
> I don't use any automation in Paris yet...
> You know I am new here...
> Maybe you used EDSTransfer=3D8,8 which is also a no go for Paris.
> Too many streaming errors.
> use 8,16
> Spinaudio wraps senderella in a way that if you don't rfedirct the =
>sound the sound almost doubles its volumeChainer does not do that...
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>news:434aa820@linux...
> Dimitrios,
> You a powerhouse of information! Your work with
> Paris and associated plugins is great for us all.
> A couple of questions:
>
> #1) What do you mean by two times the sound?
>
> Step 15: and redirect (full to the right) because
> >Spinaudio mixes two times the sound of the track)
>
> #2) Do you have problems with Paris automation with everything =
>nudged?
> If I have muted my tom tracks and nudge them the automation will
> be off. If I nudge install effects and then mute toms would ths =
>solve the problem?
>
> >You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks
=
>15 and
> >16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway-
=
>)100ms
> to
> >the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of =
>AnalogX DX
> >plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins
=
>NO LIMIT
> >Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.
> >Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb return on =
>tracks.
> >
>
> If I could only wrap my head around all of this I'd be all set. =
>The first time you posted
> about Senderella and Chainer I used it for a while then my C drive
=
>became useless. I'm
> still not sure why. I'm afraid to try it again now but that's =
>just me. I think if I can
> understand it clearly I'll be able to implement it more easily. =20
>
> You are helping me with this explanation and it's appreciated =
>greatly.
> Thanks for your effort once again,
> Tom
>
> =20
>
>
> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
>news:434a807e$<
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/>
> >HINT: If you buy chainer get the free Spinaudiolite and use its
=
>one instance
> >to wrap only chainer.
> >So UAD1 plugins inside chainer will retain knob functionality =
>and lower
> the
> >latency down to 4096 samples for a normal UAD1 plugin.
> >
> >12. If you wanna use all things without buying anything you can
=
>doing this:
> >Get Spinaudiolite FREE and wrap senderella.
> >Get FFX4 DX chainer free
> >http://vincent.burel.free.fr/download/ffx4_FullDemo3.zip
> >NOTE: FFX-4 wraps/chains ONLY DX plugins whereas Chainer =
>wrapps/chains only
> >VST
> >HINT: From inside Chainer you can use FFX-4 so have chainer to
=
>wrap DX and
> >VST....
> >
> >13. FFX-4 also has a low 4096 samples latency for UAD plugz. If
=
>you think
> >that is big note that FXpansion wrapper that you guys were =
>using gives 16384
> >samples of latency !!
> >
> >14. So you wrap senderella with Spinaudiolite.
> >
> >15. You put senderella on the audio tracks you wanna send to a
=
>reverb, put
> >the send volume accordingly and redirect (full to the right) =
>because
> >Spinaudio mixes two times the sound of the track)
> >
> >16. On audio tracks 15 and 16 you put two 16bit empty long =
>files (5 minutes
> >or more,whatever)
> >17. On track 15 you open as STEREO the senderella again =
>(spinaudiolite
> >wrapped) and put senderella as receiver .
> >Then on next native slot you open FFX-4 on track 15 as STEREO =
>again.
> >
> >18. You open from inside FFX-4 a UAD1 reverb or any other DX =
>reverb (like
> >DSPFX)
> >If you put UAD1 rvereb you get 4096 latency.
> >If you put a DX reverb you probably will get 0 latency !!, so =
>no
> >compensation needed at all.
> >It ius like having AUX with DX effect for Paris !
> >
> >19. Now if you insist of using a UAD1 plugin reverb, the to =
>compensate you
> >do the following:
> >
> >You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on =
>tracks 15 and
> >16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen =
>anyway- )100ms
> to
> >the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of =
>AnalogX DX
> >plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST =
>plugins NO LIMIT
> >Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.
> >Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb return on
=
>tracks.
> >
> >That is for now.
> >Please ask questions so I can see where I did my wrong =
>homework...
> >Regards,
> >Dimitrios
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe it was console doing =
>that.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I had many blue screens.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You can have reverbs with no =
>compensation=20
>!!</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just use DX reverbs.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most of them are of 0 =
>latency.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Truverb, DSPFX, Princeton 2016, almost
=
>all I tested=20
>are of 0 latency.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>SIR is not</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So using senderella and DX efeect you =
>don't need to=20
>compensate.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My thoughts were to use only 0 latency
=
>plugins=20
>...</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thats why I tested several compressors
=
>and posted=20
>some free good ones.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Waves C1 is not best but is 0 latency=20
>too.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios</FONT></DIV></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> <A href=3D"news:434ac5d4@linux">news:434ac5d4@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My problems were not crashing Paris =
>but rendering=20
> my C drive unbootable.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It may have been an unrelated problem
=
>but it was=20
> traumatizing. Thanks for</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the quick response too. =
></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It would be sweet to have the lowest
=
>latency=20
> (reverbs with no compensation)</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and a number that relates to Paris' 1
=
>ms=20
> nudge. I'm all for that.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> <A href=3D"news:434ab602@linux">news:434ab602@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Tom,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You may have had problems because =
>of=20
> console...</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This damn nice chainer is a nogo =
>(at least for=20
> now) with Paris.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It crashes Paris a =
>lot.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't use any automation in Paris
=
>
> yet...</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You know I am new =
>here...</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe you used EDSTransfer=3D8,8 =
>which is also a=20
> no go for Paris.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Too many streaming =
>errors.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>use 8,16</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spinaudio wraps senderella in a way
=
>that if you=20
> don't rfedirct the sound the sound almost doubles its volumeChainer
=
>does not=20
> do that...</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
>wrote in=20
> message <A =
>href=3D"news:434aa820@linux">news:434aa820@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You a powerhouse of =
>information! Your=20
> work with</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris and associated plugins is =
>great for us=20
> all.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A couple of =
>questions:</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>#1) What do you =
>mean by two=20
> times the sound</FONT>?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Step 15: <FONT face=3D"Times New
=
>Roman"=20
> size=3D3>and redirect (full to the right) because<BR>>Spinaudio =
>mixes two=20
> times the sound of the track)</FONT></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
> size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>#2) Do you have problems with Paris =
>automation with=20
> everything nudged?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>If I have muted my tom tracks and nudge =
>them the=20
> automation will</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be off. If I nudge install effects =
>and then=20
> mute toms would ths solve the problem?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
> size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
>size=3D3>>You=20
> nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks 15=20
> and<BR>>16-well even if you put it there too nothing will =
>happen=20
> anyway- )100ms<BR>to<BR>>the left and put voxengo sample delay =
>(Try=20
> this instead of AnalogX DX<BR>>plugin because you have =
>the 64=20
> plugin limit and with VST plugins NO LIMIT<BR>>Then put inside =
>latency=20
> plugin 384 samples to the right.<BR>>Thus all processed tracks =
>will be=20
> alligned to reverb return on tracks.<BR>></FONT></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
> size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
>size=3D3>If I=20
> could only wrap my head around all of this I'd be all set. =
>The first=20
> time you posted</FONT></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
>size=3D3>about=20
> Senderella and Chainer I used it for a while then my C drive =
>became=20
> useless. I'm</FONT></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
>size=3D3>still not=20
> sure why. I'm afraid to try it again now but that's just =
>me. I=20
> think if I can</FONT></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV>understand it clearly I'll be able to implement it more =
>easily. =20
> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
> size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
>size=3D3>You are=20
> helping me with this explanation and it's appreciated=20
> greatly.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
>size=3D3>Thanks=20
> for your effort once again,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
> size=3D3>Tom</FONT></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
> size=3D3><BR> </DIV></FONT>
> <DIV><BR></DIV></FONT>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
=
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Mike R." <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:emarenot@yahoo.com">emarenot@yahoo.com</A>> =
>wrote in=20
> message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:434a807e$1@linux">news:434a807e$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Dimi=
>trios,=20
> thanks for the effort to put this together. I'm adding =
>this=20
> to<BR>my "paris keepers" file. <BR>MR<BR><BR>"Dimitrios" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>Ok,<BR>>Due to the many posts that maybe =
>misleading if=20
> you don't follow all of them<BR>>in the right order I decided =
>to=20
> summarize what I know regarding senderella<BR>>and its use =
>with Paris=20
> .<BR>><BR>>1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top =
>the=20
> string EDSTransfer=3D8,16 =20
> <BR>You<BR>>could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio =
>streaming.=20
> The 8,16 seems<BR>>like the magical number, remember I tried =
>them=20
> all....<BR>>This is needed because then Senderella works =
>realtime NO=20
> LATENCY as a buss<BR>>inside Paris.<BR>>Senderella seems =
>like the=20
> greatest discovery amoung FREE plugins for Paris,<BR>>link: =
><A=20
> =
>href=3D"http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1433.html">http://www.kvraudio.com/ge=
>t/1433.html</A><BR>>Senderella=20
> newest version has a redirect option so you can send the=20
> signal<BR>>and not hear (or hear) the dry signal if you=20
> want.<BR>>It has 64 bussses ! nad now saves its condition and =
>prest=20
> (the version<BR>>before could not) after saving your=20
> song.<BR>><BR>>2. Senderella works across submixes ! but =
>the=20
> latency in beetween submixes<BR>>has to be taken into=20
> consideration.<BR>><BR>>3. So possible uses are<BR>>a} =
>Use your=20
> favorite DX/VST/UAD1/POWERCORE /EXTERNAL DEVICE reverb as=20
> abuss<BR>>with senderella.<BR>>You occupy two Paris audio =
>tracks=20
> for your reverb return using 16bit (24bit<BR>>works too) =
>silence paf=20
> file.<BR>>Here you can create a long 5 minute file or bigger =
>and have=20
> it in handy<BR>>anytime you want it.<BR>>b) Use your =
>favourite=20
> compressor VST/DX/UAD!/POWERCORE/EXTERNAL for=20
> buss<BR>>compression.<BR>><BR>>4. On both uses the =
>method is=20
> around the same.<BR>><BR>>5. Senderella although showing =
>up as it=20
> is in Paris as vst does not let<BR>the<BR>>audio pass the =
>plugin, It=20
> stops in senderella so only WET signal can =
>be<BR>>send.<BR>>this=20
> is useful only for bussing say dsrumtracks to a cmpressor and =
>not=20
> need<BR>>to have also the dry tracks playing.<BR>>In that=20
> situation no wrapper needs for senderella.<BR>>But for full =
>use and=20
> potential senderella needs to be wrapped<BR>><BR>>6. =
>Wrappers that=20
> can be used are the FREE Spinaudio=20
> =
>lite<BR>> http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.php?download_type=3D3& ;=
>download_id=3D33 =20
> which<BR>>can wrap ONLY one VST plugin.<BR>>So here you =
>can wrap=20
> one instance of senderella and use it as send=20
> for<BR>>reverbs.<BR>>If you buy Spinaudio ofcourse you can =
>have as=20
> many plugins wrapped as you<BR>>want.<BR>><BR>>7.. =
>Senderella=20
> by renaming its dll like send1,send2,send3 etc can be=20
> used<BR>as<BR>>many times as you want it is that=20
> simple.<BR>><BR>>8. you need to have 16bit files (empty) =
>on the=20
> receining senderella<BR>>instances.<BR>><BR>>9. If you =
>have=20
> multiple cards then use (if you want it across =
>submixes)<BR>>tracks=20
> 15 and 16 of your last card, so that all sending instances are=20
> bfore<BR>>these two.<BR>><BR>>10. On Me works but I =
>haven't got=20
> very stable resluts which may be my<BR>>computer though so =
>you could=20
> give some more tests but on XP works just=20
> fine<BR>>here.<BR>><BR>>11. So to come to its actual=20
> use<BR>>First you wrap as we said senderella, I prefer =
>chainer=20
> because chainer is<BR>>extremely stable and has some good=20
> functinality like dry and wet volumes<BR>>many slots midi =
>automation=20
> preset handling etc.<BR>>Note that here we need a VST =
>chainer/wrapper=20
> because senderella is only<BR>VST.<BR>>For UAD1 you can use =
>the same=20
> wrapper chainer and wrap the vst =
>versions<BR>of<BR>>VST.<BR>>HINT:=20
> If you buy chainer get the free Spinaudiolite and use its one=20
> instance<BR>>to wrap only chainer.<BR>>So UAD1 plugins =
>inside=20
> chainer will retain knob functionality and =
>lower<BR>the<BR>>latency=20
> down to 4096 samples for a normal UAD1 =
>plugin.<BR>><BR>>12. If you=20
> wanna use all things without buying anything you can doing=20
> this:<BR>>Get Spinaudiolite FREE and wrap=20
> senderella.<BR>>Get FFX4 DX chainer=20
> =
>free<BR>>http://vincent.burel.free.fr/download/ffx4_FullDemo3.zip<BR>&=
>gt;NOTE:=20
> FFX-4 wraps/chains ONLY DX plugins whereas Chainer wrapps/chains
=
>
> only<BR>>VST<BR>>HINT: From inside Chainer you can use =
>FFX-4 so=20
> have chainer to wrap DX and<BR>>VST....<BR>><BR>>13. =
>FFX-4 also=20
> has a low 4096 samples latency for UAD plugz. If you =
>think<BR>>that=20
> is big note that FXpansion wrapper that you guys were using =
>gives=20
> 16384<BR>>samples of latency !!<BR>><BR>>14. So you =
>wrap=20
> senderella with Spinaudiolite.<BR>><BR>>15. You put =
>senderella on=20
> the audio tracks you wanna send to a reverb, put<BR>>the send =
>volume=20
> accordingly and redirect (full to the right) =
>because<BR>>Spinaudio=20
> mixes two times the sound of the track)<BR>><BR>>16. On =
>audio=20
> tracks 15 and 16 you put two 16bit empty long files (5 =
>minutes<BR>>or=20
> more,whatever)<BR>>17. On track 15 you open as STEREO the =
>senderella=20
> again (spinaudiolite<BR>>wrapped) and put senderella as =
>receiver=20
> .<BR>>Then on next native slot you open FFX-4 on track 15 as =
>STEREO=20
> again.<BR>><BR>>18. You open from inside FFX-4 a UAD1 =
>reverb or=20
> any other DX reverb (like<BR>>DSPFX)<BR>>If you put UAD1 =
>rvereb=20
> you get 4096 latency.<BR>>If you put a DX reverb you probably =
>will=20
> get 0 latency !!, so no<BR>>compensation needed at =
>all.<BR>>It ius=20
> like having AUX with DX effect for Paris !<BR>><BR>>19. =
>Now if you=20
> insist of using a UAD1 plugin reverb, the to compensate =
>you<BR>>do=20
> the following:<BR>><BR>>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except =
>for the=20
> reverb return on tracks 15 and<BR>>16-well even if you put it =
>there=20
> too nothing will happen anyway- )100ms<BR>to<BR>>the left and =
>put=20
> voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of AnalogX =
>DX<BR>>plugin=20
> because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins NO=20
> LIMIT<BR>>Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the=20
> right.<BR>>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to =
>reverb=20
> return on tracks.<BR>><BR>>That is for now.<BR>>Please =
>ask=20
> questions so I can see where I did my wrong=20
> =
>homework...<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>><BR>><BR> ><BR>&=
>gt;<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE ></BODY=
>></HTML>
>
>>My oogle piece of gear is the Muse Receptor. It was being hyped at the
>last AES/NY show, but last time I checked was still in its early
>growth stages. However, it seems that many software houses are working
>with Muse and there is a ton of stuff to work with it. Sadly Waves and
>UAD are not on the list, but Native Instruments is, and thats what I
>want. Look for a posting on the forsale group soon as I sell my
>hardware synths off to pay for one of these Receptors.
>
I've had one for a while and it is a cornerstone of my current live rig.
They do indeed seem to be moving forward very steadily with updates, and
with more plugin developers getting involved.
Very pleased with the purchase - dying for Kontakt 2 to be installable later
this month, as well as Ivory.http://tv.yahoo.com/news/wwn/20050912/112653720001.html
PLANET-DISSOLVING DUST CLOUD IS HEADED TOWARD EARTH! ;oP
Monday September 12, 2005
By MIKE FOSTER
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Scared-stiff astronomers have detected a mysterious mass
they've dubbed a "chaos cloud" that dissolves everything in its path, including
comets, asteroids, planets and entire stars -- and it's headed directly toward
Earth!
Discovered April 6 by NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory, the swirling, 10
million-mile- wide cosmic dust cloud has been likened to an "acid nebula"
and is hurtling toward us at close to the speed of light -- making its estimated
time of arrival 9:15 a.m. EDT on June 1, 2014.
"The good news is that this finding confirms several cutting- edge ideas
in theoretical physics," announced Dr. Albert Sherwinski, a Cambridge based
astrophysicist with close ties to NASA.
"The bad news is that the total annihilation of our solar system is imminent."
Experts believe the chaos cloud is composed of particles spawned near the
event horizon of a black hole (a form of what's called Hawking Radiation)
that have been distorted by mangled information spewed from the hole.
"A super-massive black hole lies about 28,000 light-years from Earth at the
center of our galaxy," explained Dr. Sherwinski.
"Last year the eminent physicist Stephen Hawking revised his theory of black
holes -- which previously held that nothing could escape the hole's powerful
gravitational field. He demonstrated that information about objects that
have been sucked in can be emitted in mangled form.
"It now appears that mangled information can distort matter.
"Just imagine our galaxy the Milky Way as a beautiful, handwritten letter.
"Now imagine pouring a glass of water on the paper and watching the words
dissolve as the stain spreads. That's what the chaos cloud does to every
star or planet it encounters."
To avoid widespread panic, NASA has declined to make the alarming discovery
public. But Dr. Sherwinski's contacts at the agency's Chandra X-ray Observatory
leaked to him striking images of the newly discovered chaos cloud obliterating
a large asteroid.
"It's like watching a helpless hog being dissolved in a vat of acid," one
NASA scientist told Dr. Sherwinski.
Ordinarily, Hawkings Radiation is harmless.
"It's produced when an electron- positron pair are at the event horizon of
a black hole," Dr. Sherwinski explained. "The intense curvature of space-time
of the hole can cause the positron to fall in, while the electron escapes."
But when "infected" by mangled information from the black hole, the particles
become a chaos cloud, which in turn mangles everything it touches.
"If it continues unchecked, the chaos cloud will eventually reduce our galaxy
to the state of absolute chaos that existed before the birth of the universe,"
the astrophysicist warned.
Some scientists say mankind's best hope would be to build a "space ark" and
hightail it to the Andromeda Galaxy, 2.1 million light-years away.
"We wouldn't be able to save the entire human population, but perhaps the
best and the brightest," observed British rocket scientist Dr. David Hall,
when asked about the feasibility of such a project.
But even if such a craft could be built in time, evacuating Earth might prove
fruitless if theories about the origin of the chaos cloud are correct.
"A black hole at the center of Andromeda is about 15 times the size of the
one in our own galaxy," Dr. Sherwinski noted. "It might be like jumping out
of the frying pan into the fire."
Speaking under the condition of anonymity, a senior White House official
said the president's top science advisors are taking the findings in stride.
"This is a lot like global warming, where the jury is still out on whether
it's real or not," said the official.
"The existence of this so called chaos cloud is only a theory. Americans
shouldn't panic until all the facts are in."HAH HAH HAH!!
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Here's another POS.
As good an outfit as Crown is, boy did they blow it with this turkey.
Hit this with anything over, say -15 or so and it would clip like a
transistor radio at a Staten Island park on Sunday.
Just a miserable turd of a crossover. Crank the amps wide open
and you could almost get signal through it. Almost.
Unbelievably bad. Avoid it like it was from Chernobyl.
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