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| Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73950] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 04:02  |
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John [1]
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Ok, what hardware can do this?
Daw needed:
Truly pro audio sound quality
Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
Supports VSTi's
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73951 is a reply to message #73950] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 06:03  |
Neil
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"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>Ok, what hardware can do this?
A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
do all that.
>Daw needed:
Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>Truly pro audio sound quality
>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>Supports VSTi's
CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
Multifaces would be your ticket.
As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
definitely one you'll notice.
I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
that will do literally everything you specify above, without
exception.
Neil
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73959 is a reply to message #73951] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 07:14 |
animix
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"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
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> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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> >Ok, what hardware can do this?
>
> A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
> do all that.
>
>
> >Daw needed:
>
> Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>
> >Truly pro audio sound quality
> >Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
> >Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
> >I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
> >Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
> >Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
> >Supports VSTi's
>
> CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
> 2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
> 4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
> 48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
> lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
> so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
> 2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
> Multifaces would be your ticket.
>
> As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
> difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
> say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
> convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
> is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
> the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
> same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
> definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
> stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
> submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
> keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
> do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
> example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
> import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
> group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
> difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
> definitely one you'll notice.
>
> I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
> that will do literally everything you specify above, without
> exception.
>
> Neil
Me too.
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73963 is a reply to message #73959] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 08:31 |
John [1]
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Thanks, I have a lot to learn. I won't buy it if I have to do stems though.
It's a pain in the ass enough as it is.
John
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
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>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
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>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>
>> A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
>> do all that.
>>
>>
>> >Daw needed:
>>
>> Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>>
>> >Truly pro audio sound quality
>> >Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>> >Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>> >I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>> >Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>> >Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>> >Supports VSTi's
>>
>> CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
>> 2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
>> 4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
>> 48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
>> lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
>> so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
>> 2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
>> Multifaces would be your ticket.
>>
>> As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
>> difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
>> say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
>> convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
>> is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
>> the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
>> same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
>> definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
>> stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
>> submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
>> keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
>> do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
>> example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
>> import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
>> group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
>> difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
>> definitely one you'll notice.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
>> that will do literally everything you specify above, without
>> exception.
>>
>> Neil
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>Me too.
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73964 is a reply to message #73951] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 09:08 |
Jamie K
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Logic doesn't support VSTi's. But does support Audio Unit (AU) plugins.
For example, Native Instrument plugins come in both flavors. I believe
Motu's Digital Performer supports both VSTi and AU directly.
On MacOSX you can combine hardware interfaces at the OSX Core Audio
level, and any sequencer will see them as a single large interface. So
pick and choose, either use one i/o box with enough channels, or combine
several to get to the i/o count you want. The new Apogee stuff claims
exceptional low latency on the Mac, so I'd look at that first. Or RME,
MOTU, Presonus, Mackie, Yamaha, etc. your choice. I think firewire can
go 20 feet, but you might want to keep the actual i/o in the control
room and run a short XLR snake as far as you need from there. BTW, G5
(and AFAIK Intel) tower Macs are quiet enough to keep in a control room
with only moderate acoustic shielding.
I think my biggest track count has been around 50 tracks on the dual G5
(with a ton of instrument and FX plugins), and it wasn't a hardware
limitation but just a matter of the amount of musical excess for that
one particular song. :^)
AFAIK, any of the current tower Macs should be able to handle your
desired track count and more. Overproduction has never been this easy...
Comparing the way each sequencer sounds with large mixes is the
challenge. You wouldn't want to just go solely on what someone else claims.
Get 60 example tracks on a hard drive and see if you can find a studio
with each system, or a store with a decent demo monitering setup
(preferably for several different DAWs), and listen for yourself. If you
have a really fast, recent laptop and one of the DAWs you could bring
that into a studio and compare it against another DAW in the same
listening environment.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Neil wrote:
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>> Ok, what hardware can do this?
>
> A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
> do all that.
>
>
>> Daw needed:
>
> Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>
>> Truly pro audio sound quality
>> Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>> Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>> I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>> Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>> Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>> Supports VSTi's
>
> CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
> 2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
> 4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
> 48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
> lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
> so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
> 2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
> Multifaces would be your ticket.
>
> As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
> difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
> say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
> convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
> is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
> the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
> same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
> definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
> stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
> submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
> keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
> do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
> example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
> import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
> group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
> difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
> definitely one you'll notice.
>
> I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
> that will do literally everything you specify above, without
> exception.
>
> Neil
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73966 is a reply to message #73963] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 09:18 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
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ProTools HD3
It's the Industry standard
you'll have regular updates keeping you on the cutting edge of technology
without a doubt it is the essence of "today's sound"
You'll be the envy of all your "Project Studio" friends
You'll be able to sit back all comfy in your smugness knowing that all other
players are in fact pretenders
ProTools HD3...it's the only way to go
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:452fb161$1@linux...
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> Thanks, I have a lot to learn. I won't buy it if I have to do stems
> though.
> It's a pain in the ass enough as it is.
> John
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> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
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>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>>
>>> A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
>>> do all that.
>>>
>>>
>>> >Daw needed:
>>>
>>> Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>>>
>>> >Truly pro audio sound quality
>>> >Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>> >Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>> >I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>> >Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>> >Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>> >Supports VSTi's
>>>
>>> CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
>>> 2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
>>> 4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
>>> 48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
>>> lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
>>> so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
>>> 2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
>>> Multifaces would be your ticket.
>>>
>>> As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
>>> difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
>>> say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
>>> convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
>>> is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
>>> the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
>>> same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
>>> definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
>>> stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
>>> submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
>>> keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
>>> do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
>>> example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
>>> import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
>>> group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
>>> difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
>>> definitely one you'll notice.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
>>> that will do literally everything you specify above, without
>>> exception.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>
>>Me too.
>>
>>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73971 is a reply to message #73963] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 09:57 |
animix
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Just buyone of everything, each with a separate dedicated computer and
identical converters and build a separate, identical control room for each
DAW, oriented in a big circle and get you one of those Herman Miller chair
that is the industry standard for mix rooms and office hockey and then open
the doors to each conrol room. Hire someone to push said chair, sync all the
DAWs to a common clock and timeline synchronizer. Hit play on the
synchronizer and they will all start playing the same project at once. Then
have your chair pushed from room to room to each sweet spot while you sit
in a lotus position contemplating the mix bus of each DAW.
Get back to us with your findings.
;o)
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:452fb161$1@linux...
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> Thanks, I have a lot to learn. I won't buy it if I have to do stems
though.
> It's a pain in the ass enough as it is.
> John
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >
> >"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
> >>
> >> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Ok, what hardware can do this?
> >>
> >> A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
> >> do all that.
> >>
> >>
> >> >Daw needed:
> >>
> >> Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
> >>
> >> >Truly pro audio sound quality
> >> >Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
> >> >Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
> >> >I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
> >> >Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
> >> >Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
> >> >Supports VSTi's
> >>
> >> CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
> >> 2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
> >> 4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
> >> 48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
> >> lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
> >> so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
> >> 2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
> >> Multifaces would be your ticket.
> >>
> >> As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
> >> difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
> >> say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
> >> convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
> >> is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
> >> the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
> >> same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
> >> definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
> >> stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
> >> submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
> >> keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
> >> do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
> >> example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
> >> import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
> >> group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
> >> difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
> >> definitely one you'll notice.
> >>
> >> I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
> >> that will do literally everything you specify above, without
> >> exception.
> >>
> >> Neil
> >
> >Me too.
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73973 is a reply to message #73959] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 10:07 |
EK Sound
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Me three.
David.
DJ wrote:
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>
>>A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
>>do all that.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Daw needed:
>>
>>Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>>
>>
>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>>Supports VSTi's
>>
>>CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
>>2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
>>4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
>>48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
>>lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
>>so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
>>2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
>>Multifaces would be your ticket.
>>
>>As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
>>difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
>>say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
>>convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
>>is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
>>the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
>>same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
>>definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
>>stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
>>submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
>>keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
>>do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
>>example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
>>import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
>>group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
>>difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
>>definitely one you'll notice.
>>
>>I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
>>that will do literally everything you specify above, without
>>exception.
>>
>>Neil
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>
> Me too.
>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73974 is a reply to message #73966] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 10:09 |
EK Sound
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You mean, like this? ;-)
david.
Don Nafe wrote:
> ProTools HD3
>
> It's the Industry standard
>
> you'll have regular updates keeping you on the cutting edge of technology
>
> without a doubt it is the essence of "today's sound"
>
> You'll be the envy of all your "Project Studio" friends
>
> You'll be able to sit back all comfy in your smugness knowing that all other
> players are in fact pretenders
>
> ProTools HD3...it's the only way to go
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:452fb161$1@linux...
>
>>Thanks, I have a lot to learn. I won't buy it if I have to do stems
>>though.
>>It's a pain in the ass enough as it is.
>>John
>>
>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>>>
>>>>A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
>>>>do all that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Daw needed:
>>>>
>>>>Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>>>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>>>>Supports VSTi's
>>>>
>>>>CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
>>>>2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
>>>>4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
>>>>48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
>>>>lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
>>>>so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
>>>>2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
>>>>Multifaces would be your ticket.
>>>>
>>>>As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
>>>>difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
>>>>say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
>>>>convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
>>>>is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
>>>>the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
>>>>same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
>>>>definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
>>>>stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
>>>>submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
>>>>keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
>>>>do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
>>>>example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
>>>>import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
>>>>group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
>>>>difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
>>>>definitely one you'll notice.
>>>>
>>>>I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
>>>>that will do literally everything you specify above, without
>>>>exception.
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>
>>>Me too.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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So are these infrared interfaces? C'mon......where's the snakepit?
;o)
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:452fc637@linux...
> You mean, like this? ;-)
>
> david.
>
> Don Nafe wrote:
>
> > ProTools HD3
> >
> > It's the Industry standard
> >
> > you'll have regular updates keeping you on the cutting edge of
technology
> >
> > without a doubt it is the essence of "today's sound"
> >
> > You'll be the envy of all your "Project Studio" friends
> >
> > You'll be able to sit back all comfy in your smugness knowing that all
other
> > players are in fact pretenders
> >
> > ProTools HD3...it's the only way to go
> >
> >
> > "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:452fb161$1@linux...
> >
> >>Thanks, I have a lot to learn. I won't buy it if I have to do stems
> >>though.
> >>It's a pain in the ass enough as it is.
> >>John
> >>
> >>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
> >>>>
> >>>>A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
> >>>>do all that.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Daw needed:
> >>>>
> >>>>Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
> >>>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24
analog
> >>>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
> >>>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another
room
> >>>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
> >>>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
> >>>>>Supports VSTi's
> >>>>
> >>>>CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
> >>>>2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
> >>>>4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
> >>>>48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
> >>>>lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
> >>>>so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
> >>>>2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
> >>>>Multifaces would be your ticket.
> >>>>
> >>>>As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
> >>>>difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
> >>>>say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
> >>>>convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
> >>>>is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
> >>>>the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
> >>>>same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
> >>>>definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
> >>>>stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
> >>>>submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
> >>>>keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
> >>>>do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
> >>>>example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
> >>>>import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
> >>>>group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
> >>>>difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
> >>>>definitely one you'll notice.
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
> >>>>that will do literally everything you specify above, without
> >>>>exception.
> >>>>
> >>>>Neil
> >>>
> >>>Me too.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73982 is a reply to message #73950] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 11:00 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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Location: Metro Detroit
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"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>
>Daw needed:
>
>Truly pro audio sound quality
>
>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>
>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>
>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>
>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>
>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>
>Supports VSTi's
>
There are a lot of ways to skin a cat. This might be one of them, the new
Tascam DM-4800, with Logic, DP, Cubase, or Nuendo, etc... You could also
hook up an analog tape deck, they are cheap these days.
The Tascam DM-4800 is available now! With the optional FireWire card you
get 32x32 I/O channels to your computer with one cable. You could get a
FW Extendit box and have the computer 300 ft. away if you wanted. A hight
quality 20' FW cable should work though.
This is your DAW controller, analog and digital audio interface, effects
processor, audio router, talk back facility, transport controller, etc...
If that's not enough inputs for you, with two DM-4800s and a single cable
you get 128 inputs. There is also the X-48, but I think a computer is a
better idea.
DM-4800
http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
DM-4800 video demo and pricing:
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3562
X-48
http://www.tascam.com/Products/x48.html
James
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73985 is a reply to message #73982] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 11:29 |
John [1]
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Dude, you think I'm made of money? I'm running Paris aren't I. Think > $3K
!!!
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>
>>Daw needed:
>>
>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>>
>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>
>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>
>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>
>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>
>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>
>>Supports VSTi's
>>
>
>There are a lot of ways to skin a cat. This might be one of them, the new
>Tascam DM-4800, with Logic, DP, Cubase, or Nuendo, etc... You could also
>hook up an analog tape deck, they are cheap these days.
>
>The Tascam DM-4800 is available now! With the optional FireWire card you
>get 32x32 I/O channels to your computer with one cable. You could get a
>FW Extendit box and have the computer 300 ft. away if you wanted. A hight
>quality 20' FW cable should work though.
>
>This is your DAW controller, analog and digital audio interface, effects
>processor, audio router, talk back facility, transport controller, etc...
>
>If that's not enough inputs for you, with two DM-4800s and a single cable
>you get 128 inputs. There is also the X-48, but I think a computer is a
>better idea.
>
>DM-4800
>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>
>DM-4800 video demo and pricing:
>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3562
>
>X-48
>http://www.tascam.com/Products/x48.html
>
>James
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73986 is a reply to message #73985] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 11:43 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
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What he is suggesting IS > $3K!... or did you mean < $3K... ;-)
David.
John wrote:
> Dude, you think I'm made of money? I'm running Paris aren't I. Think > $3K
> !!!
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>>
>>>Daw needed:
>>>
>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>>>
>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>>
>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>>
>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>>
>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>>
>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>>
>>>Supports VSTi's
>>>
>>
>>There are a lot of ways to skin a cat. This might be one of them, the new
>>Tascam DM-4800, with Logic, DP, Cubase, or Nuendo, etc... You could also
>>hook up an analog tape deck, they are cheap these days.
>>
>>The Tascam DM-4800 is available now! With the optional FireWire card you
>>get 32x32 I/O channels to your computer with one cable. You could get a
>>FW Extendit box and have the computer 300 ft. away if you wanted. A hight
>>quality 20' FW cable should work though.
>>
>>This is your DAW controller, analog and digital audio interface, effects
>>processor, audio router, talk back facility, transport controller, etc...
>>
>>If that's not enough inputs for you, with two DM-4800s and a single cable
>>you get 128 inputs. There is also the X-48, but I think a computer is a
>>better idea.
>>
>>DM-4800
>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>
>>DM-4800 video demo and pricing:
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3562
>>
>>X-48
>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/x48.html
>>
>>James
>>
>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73987 is a reply to message #73973] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 11:34 |
John [1]
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And how does a Studer 827 play back 60 tracks? I don't think so.
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Me three.
>
>David.
>
>DJ wrote:
>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>>
>>>A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
>>>do all that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Daw needed:
>>>
>>>Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>>>Supports VSTi's
>>>
>>>CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
>>>2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
>>>4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
>>>48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
>>>lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
>>>so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
>>>2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
>>>Multifaces would be your ticket.
>>>
>>>As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
>>>difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
>>>say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
>>>convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
>>>is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
>>>the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
>>>same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
>>>definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
>>>stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
>>>submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
>>>keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
>>>do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
>>>example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
>>>import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
>>>group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
>>>difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
>>>definitely one you'll notice.
>>>
>>>I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
>>>that will do literally everything you specify above, without
>>>exception.
>>>
>>>Neil
>>
>>
>> Me too.
>>
>>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73988 is a reply to message #73987] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 11:59 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
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Seriously though, what Neil is suggesting with Cubase and RME
multifaces would work great, sound great, and be in your budget.
David.
John wrote:
> And how does a Studer 827 play back 60 tracks? I don't think so.
>
> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Me three.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>>>
>>>>A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
>>>>do all that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Daw needed:
>>>>
>>>>Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>>>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>>>>Supports VSTi's
>>>>
>>>>CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
>>>>2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
>>>>4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
>>>>48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
>>>>lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
>>>>so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
>>>>2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
>>>>Multifaces would be your ticket.
>>>>
>>>>As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
>>>>difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
>>>>say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
>>>>convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
>>>>is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
>>>>the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
>>>>same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
>>>>definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
>>>>stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
>>>>submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
>>>>keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
>>>>do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
>>>>example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
>>>>import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
>>>>group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
>>>>difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
>>>>definitely one you'll notice.
>>>>
>>>>I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
>>>>that will do literally everything you specify above, without
>>>>exception.
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>Me too.
>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73989 is a reply to message #73985] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 11:52 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Champaign taste on a beer budget! Beggars can be choosey! Well you can do
it for less, I've seen DM-24s go for as low a $600.00. There is also a factory
mic pre upgrade available. With the FW card, you could still obtain what
your talking about.
The other option is the Panasonic RAMSA DA-7 $600.00 to $800.00. With 3 Adat
cards for the DA-7 and the new M-audio FW interface. You won't have as many
inputs on a DA-7, but they sound good. It has hui control, but it may be
a PATA, and who knows about the latency yet with the new M-audio interface,
it's about to ship. Some day I will be able to tell you, it's what I have.
Steve Cox also has a DA-7 MKII and Paris, he loves it.
James
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>Dude, you think I'm made of money? I'm running Paris aren't I. Think >
$3K
>!!!
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>>
>>>Daw needed:
>>>
>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>>>
>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>>
>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>>
>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>>
>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>>
>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>>
>>>Supports VSTi's
>>>
>>
>>There are a lot of ways to skin a cat. This might be one of them, the
new
>>Tascam DM-4800, with Logic, DP, Cubase, or Nuendo, etc... You could also
>>hook up an analog tape deck, they are cheap these days.
>>
>>The Tascam DM-4800 is available now! With the optional FireWire card you
>>get 32x32 I/O channels to your computer with one cable. You could get
a
>>FW Extendit box and have the computer 300 ft. away if you wanted. A hight
>>quality 20' FW cable should work though.
>>
>>This is your DAW controller, analog and digital audio interface, effects
>>processor, audio router, talk back facility, transport controller, etc...
>>
>>If that's not enough inputs for you, with two DM-4800s and a single cable
>>you get 128 inputs. There is also the X-48, but I think a computer is
a
>>better idea.
>>
>>DM-4800
>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>
>>DM-4800 video demo and pricing:
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3562
>>
>>X-48
>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/x48.html
>>
>>James
>>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73990 is a reply to message #73985] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 11:57 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>Dude, you think I'm made of money? I'm running Paris aren't I. Think >
$3K
>!!!
Let me guess, you also want this to be real potable too; )
James
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>>
>>>Daw needed:
>>>
>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>>>
>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>>
>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>>
>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>>
>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>>
>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>>
>>>Supports VSTi's
>>>
>>
>>There are a lot of ways to skin a cat. This might be one of them, the
new
>>Tascam DM-4800, with Logic, DP, Cubase, or Nuendo, etc... You could also
>>hook up an analog tape deck, they are cheap these days.
>>
>>The Tascam DM-4800 is available now! With the optional FireWire card you
>>get 32x32 I/O channels to your computer with one cable. You could get
a
>>FW Extendit box and have the computer 300 ft. away if you wanted. A hight
>>quality 20' FW cable should work though.
>>
>>This is your DAW controller, analog and digital audio interface, effects
>>processor, audio router, talk back facility, transport controller, etc...
>>
>>If that's not enough inputs for you, with two DM-4800s and a single cable
>>you get 128 inputs. There is also the X-48, but I think a computer is
a
>>better idea.
>>
>>DM-4800
>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>
>>DM-4800 video demo and pricing:
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3562
>>
>>X-48
>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/x48.html
>>
>>James
>>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73991 is a reply to message #73985] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 11:58 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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Location: Metro Detroit
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"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>Dude, you think I'm made of money? I'm running Paris aren't I. Think >
$3K
>!!!
Let me guess, you also want this to be real portable too; )
James
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>>
>>>Daw needed:
>>>
>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>>>
>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>>
>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>>
>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>>
>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>>
>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>>
>>>Supports VSTi's
>>>
>>
>>There are a lot of ways to skin a cat. This might be one of them, the
new
>>Tascam DM-4800, with Logic, DP, Cubase, or Nuendo, etc... You could also
>>hook up an analog tape deck, they are cheap these days.
>>
>>The Tascam DM-4800 is available now! With the optional FireWire card you
>>get 32x32 I/O channels to your computer with one cable. You could get
a
>>FW Extendit box and have the computer 300 ft. away if you wanted. A hight
>>quality 20' FW cable should work though.
>>
>>This is your DAW controller, analog and digital audio interface, effects
>>processor, audio router, talk back facility, transport controller, etc...
>>
>>If that's not enough inputs for you, with two DM-4800s and a single cable
>>you get 128 inputs. There is also the X-48, but I think a computer is
a
>>better idea.
>>
>>DM-4800
>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>
>>DM-4800 video demo and pricing:
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3562
>>
>>X-48
>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/x48.html
>>
>>James
>>
>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73993 is a reply to message #73986] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 12:00 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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LESS THAN $3k
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>What he is suggesting IS > $3K!... or did you mean < $3K... ;-)
>
>David.
>
>John wrote:
>> Dude, you think I'm made of money? I'm running Paris aren't I. Think
> $3K
>> !!!
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>>>
>>>>Daw needed:
>>>>
>>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>>>>
>>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>>>
>>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>>>
>>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>>>
>>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>>>
>>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>>>
>>>>Supports VSTi's
>>>>
>>>
>>>There are a lot of ways to skin a cat. This might be one of them, the
new
>>>Tascam DM-4800, with Logic, DP, Cubase, or Nuendo, etc... You could
also
>>>hook up an analog tape deck, they are cheap these days.
>>>
>>>The Tascam DM-4800 is available now! With the optional FireWire card
you
>>>get 32x32 I/O channels to your computer with one cable. You could get
a
>>>FW Extendit box and have the computer 300 ft. away if you wanted. A hight
>>>quality 20' FW cable should work though.
>>>
>>>This is your DAW controller, analog and digital audio interface, effects
>>>processor, audio router, talk back facility, transport controller, etc...
>>>
>>>If that's not enough inputs for you, with two DM-4800s and a single cable
>>>you get 128 inputs. There is also the X-48, but I think a computer is
a
>>>better idea.
>>>
>>>DM-4800
>>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>>
>>>DM-4800 video demo and pricing:
>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3562
>>>
>>>X-48
>>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/x48.html
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73994 is a reply to message #73988] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 12:03 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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That makes the most sense so far. How expandable is it? One pci card support
2 or 3 of these RME multifaces? How many pci cards could I potentially put
in?
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Seriously though, what Neil is suggesting with Cubase and RME
>multifaces would work great, sound great, and be in your budget.
>
>David.
>
>John wrote:
>
>> And how does a Studer 827 play back 60 tracks? I don't think so.
>>
>> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Me three.
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>DJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>>>>
>>>>>A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
>>>>>do all that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Daw needed:
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>>>>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>>>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>>>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>>>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>>>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>>>>>Supports VSTi's
>>>>>
>>>>>CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
>>>>>2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
>>>>>4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
>>>>>48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
>>>>>lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
>>>>>so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
>>>>>2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
>>>>>Multifaces would be your ticket.
>>>>>
>>>>>As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
>>>>>difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
>>>>>say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
>>>>>convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
>>>>>is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
>>>>>the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
>>>>>same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
>>>>>definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
>>>>>stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
>>>>>submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
>>>>>keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
>>>>>do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
>>>>>example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
>>>>>import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
>>>>>group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
>>>>>difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
>>>>>definitely one you'll notice.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
>>>>>that will do literally everything you specify above, without
>>>>>exception.
>>>>>
>>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Me too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #73996 is a reply to message #73988] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 12:10 |
animix
Messages: 356
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3 x Multifaces = 3 HDSP PCI cards..........take it from someone who has been
down this road, if you want to get other things in your DAW besides the PCI
cards, you're going to need a Magma (or two) capable of interfacing via PCIe
and if you want to go to 64 bit when time comes and a current mobo, you're
gonna need a 64 bit Magma (or two) that interfaces via PCIe. Now put on some
Ravi Shankar or L. Subramanian, sit cross legged on a big soft pillow, light
some incense, close your eyes and envision dollar signs with big wings
emerging from your back pocket and disappearing into the void.
.........ooooommmmm............ooooommmmmmm...............oo ooouuuuuccccchhhh
hhhh!!!!!!!!!
;oP
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:452fe00b$1@linux...
> Seriously though, what Neil is suggesting with Cubase and RME
> multifaces would work great, sound great, and be in your budget.
>
> David.
>
> John wrote:
>
> > And how does a Studer 827 play back 60 tracks? I don't think so.
> >
> > EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Me three.
> >>
> >>David.
> >>
> >>DJ wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
> >>>>
> >>>>A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
> >>>>do all that.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Daw needed:
> >>>>
> >>>>Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
> >>>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24
analog
> >>>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
> >>>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another
room
> >>>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
> >>>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
> >>>>>Supports VSTi's
> >>>>
> >>>>CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
> >>>>2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
> >>>>4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
> >>>>48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
> >>>>lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
> >>>>so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
> >>>>2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
> >>>>Multifaces would be your ticket.
> >>>>
> >>>>As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
> >>>>difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
> >>>>say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
> >>>>convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
> >>>>is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
> >>>>the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
> >>>>same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
> >>>>definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
> >>>>stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
> >>>>submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
> >>>>keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
> >>>>do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
> >>>>example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
> >>>>import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
> >>>>group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
> >>>>difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
> >>>>definitely one you'll notice.
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
> >>>>that will do literally everything you specify above, without
> >>>>exception.
> >>>>
> >>>>Neil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Me too.
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74004 is a reply to message #73999] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 15:13 |
Chris Ludwig
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Hi,
The 2x Multiface/PCI or this combo works well and is affordable.
2x Presonus FS AD/DA converters 1x RME HDSP 9652.
Both come out to about the same price.
You can mix and match up to 3 HDSP series card to this such as the
Multiface, Digiface, 9632 and soon the AES32 and MADI cards and any ASIO
based program such as Samplitude will seem then all as one driver.
Chris
Neil wrote:
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> LESS THAN $3k
>
> Multifaces are about $600, the PCI cards are about $250
> (street); buy all threee at once from the same place & ask them
> to cut you some slack since you're buying several & you might be
> able to get another maybe 10% or so off. That'd bring you to
> about $2,200-$2,300 or so... leaving you with about $700 to $800
> to buy your CubaseSX, which perhaps if you call around a bit to
> some of the lower-volume retailers you might be able to find one
> who has a competitive upgrade version for less than full-pop
> retail ($200-$350-ish?), and that leaves you a few hundred
> left for a PC... ain't gonna happen for a good PC, so you'll end
> up a little bit over budget, but not by much.
>
> Or you could go with just two Multifaces for the time being if
> you don't REALLY need 24 analog i/o's all at once (or if you do
> have some lightpipe and/or SPDIF outs on any of your
> preamps/channel strips & you can expand your input capacity that
> way).
>
> Neil
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74012 is a reply to message #73966] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 17:59 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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.....and you'll be constantly broke....and.....an....d...
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:452fba72@linux...
> ProTools HD3
>
> It's the Industry standard
>
> you'll have regular updates keeping you on the cutting edge of technology
>
> without a doubt it is the essence of "today's sound"
>
> You'll be the envy of all your "Project Studio" friends
>
> You'll be able to sit back all comfy in your smugness knowing that all
> other players are in fact pretenders
>
> ProTools HD3...it's the only way to go
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:452fb161$1@linux...
>>
>> Thanks, I have a lot to learn. I won't buy it if I have to do stems
>> though.
>> It's a pain in the ass enough as it is.
>> John
>>
>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>>>
>>>> A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
>>>> do all that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >Daw needed:
>>>>
>>>> Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>>>>
>>>> >Truly pro audio sound quality
>>>> >Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>>> >Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>>> >I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>>> >Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>>> >Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>>> >Supports VSTi's
>>>>
>>>> CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
>>>> 2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
>>>> 4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
>>>> 48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
>>>> lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
>>>> so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
>>>> 2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
>>>> Multifaces would be your ticket.
>>>>
>>>> As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
>>>> difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
>>>> say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
>>>> convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
>>>> is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
>>>> the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
>>>> same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
>>>> definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
>>>> stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
>>>> submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
>>>> keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
>>>> do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
>>>> example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
>>>> import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
>>>> group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
>>>> difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
>>>> definitely one you'll notice.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
>>>> that will do literally everything you specify above, without
>>>> exception.
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>
>>>Me too.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74014 is a reply to message #73987] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 19:44 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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3 in sync, (I have done it), will...no probs
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:452fdc3f$1@linux...
>
> And how does a Studer 827 play back 60 tracks? I don't think so.
>
> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>Me three.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>>>>
>>>>A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
>>>>do all that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Daw needed:
>>>>
>>>>Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>>>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24 analog
>>>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>>>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another room
>>>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>>>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>>>>>Supports VSTi's
>>>>
>>>>CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
>>>>2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
>>>>4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
>>>>48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
>>>>lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
>>>>so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
>>>>2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
>>>>Multifaces would be your ticket.
>>>>
>>>>As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
>>>>difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
>>>>say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
>>>>convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
>>>>is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
>>>>the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
>>>>same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
>>>>definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
>>>>stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
>>>>submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
>>>>keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
>>>>do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
>>>>example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
>>>>import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
>>>>group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
>>>>difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
>>>>definitely one you'll notice.
>>>>
>>>>I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
>>>>that will do literally everything you specify above, without
>>>>exception.
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> Me too.
>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74015 is a reply to message #74006] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 19:51 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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John.
In all honesty here, I think that if you are having reliability issues with
Win and Paris, you'll have the same or similar problems with any daw you
buy, with the possible exception of ProFools, and you don't want to go down
that road.
I would suggest that you choose a DAW, and get someone like Morgan, or
(heaven forbid), Sweetwater to build a purpose built box for you that will
run as soon as you plug it in.
FWIW
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45301bfa$1@linux...
>
> Just off the phone with the smart people at $weetwater and they are
> thinking:
>
> ad16x > fireface 800 24 analog
> or
> 2 frontier tango 24
>
> They are recommending Firewire over PCI to allow for easy computer
> upgrades.
> Makes sense to me. He also said the got a bunch of the top apps like
> cubase,
> nuendo, sonar and such and rendered tracks out with 1 channel flipped
> phase
> and then put it in the other apps and the sound nulled out which means
> they
> are the same.
>
> Interesting. Sad to say goodbye Paris but I gotta get reliable.
>
> John
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74016 is a reply to message #74014] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 20:11 |
animix
Messages: 356
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.......hummmmmmm.........3 x 827's eh???...........muhahaha!!!!!!
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:45304d1e$1@linux...
> 3 in sync, (I have done it), will...no probs
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:452fdc3f$1@linux...
> >
> > And how does a Studer 827 play back 60 tracks? I don't think so.
> >
> > EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>Me three.
> >>
> >>David.
> >>
> >>DJ wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
> >>>>
> >>>>A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
> >>>>do all that.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Daw needed:
> >>>>
> >>>>Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
> >>>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24
analog
> >>>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
> >>>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another
room
> >>>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
> >>>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
> >>>>>Supports VSTi's
> >>>>
> >>>>CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
> >>>>2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
> >>>>4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
> >>>>48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
> >>>>lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
> >>>>so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
> >>>>2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
> >>>>Multifaces would be your ticket.
> >>>>
> >>>>As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
> >>>>difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
> >>>>say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
> >>>>convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
> >>>>is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
> >>>>the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
> >>>>same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
> >>>>definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
> >>>>stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
> >>>>submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
> >>>>keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
> >>>>do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
> >>>>example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
> >>>>import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
> >>>>group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
> >>>>difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
> >>>>definitely one you'll notice.
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
> >>>>that will do literally everything you specify above, without
> >>>>exception.
> >>>>
> >>>>Neil
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Me too.
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74017 is a reply to message #74016] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 20:33 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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From memory, we did it on the Air Supply album engineered.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45305555@linux...
> ......hummmmmmm.........3 x 827's eh???...........muhahaha!!!!!!
>
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:45304d1e$1@linux...
>> 3 in sync, (I have done it), will...no probs
>> --
>> Martin Harrington
>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:452fdc3f$1@linux...
>> >
>> > And how does a Studer 827 play back 60 tracks? I don't think so.
>> >
>> > EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >>Me three.
>> >>
>> >>David.
>> >>
>> >>DJ wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
>> >>>>do all that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Daw needed:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>> >>>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24
> analog
>> >>>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>> >>>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another
> room
>> >>>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>> >>>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>> >>>>>Supports VSTi's
>> >>>>
>> >>>>CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
>> >>>>2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
>> >>>>4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
>> >>>>48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
>> >>>>lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
>> >>>>so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
>> >>>>2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
>> >>>>Multifaces would be your ticket.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
>> >>>>difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
>> >>>>say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
>> >>>>convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
>> >>>>is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
>> >>>>the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
>> >>>>same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
>> >>>>definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
>> >>>>stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
>> >>>>submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
>> >>>>keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
>> >>>>do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
>> >>>>example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
>> >>>>import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
>> >>>>group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
>> >>>>difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
>> >>>>definitely one you'll notice.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
>> >>>>that will do literally everything you specify above, without
>> >>>>exception.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Neil
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Me too.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74019 is a reply to message #74017] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 20:57 |
animix
Messages: 356
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How did you sync them? Timeline Lynx?
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:4530588f$1@linux...
> From memory, we did it on the Air Supply album engineered.
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45305555@linux...
> > ......hummmmmmm.........3 x 827's eh???...........muhahaha!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:45304d1e$1@linux...
> >> 3 in sync, (I have done it), will...no probs
> >> --
> >> Martin Harrington
> >> www.lendanear-sound.com
> >>
> >> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:452fdc3f$1@linux...
> >> >
> >> > And how does a Studer 827 play back 60 tracks? I don't think so.
> >> >
> >> > EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >>Me three.
> >> >>
> >> >>David.
> >> >>
> >> >>DJ wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
> >> >>>>do all that.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>Daw needed:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
> >> >>>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24
> > analog
> >> >>>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
> >> >>>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another
> > room
> >> >>>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
> >> >>>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
> >> >>>>>Supports VSTi's
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
> >> >>>>2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
> >> >>>>4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
> >> >>>>48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
> >> >>>>lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
> >> >>>>so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
> >> >>>>2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
> >> >>>>Multifaces would be your ticket.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
> >> >>>>difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
> >> >>>>say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
> >> >>>>convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
> >> >>>>is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
> >> >>>>the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
> >> >>>>same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
> >> >>>>definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
> >> >>>>stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
> >> >>>>submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
> >> >>>>keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
> >> >>>>do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
> >> >>>>example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
> >> >>>>import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
> >> >>>>group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
> >> >>>>difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
> >> >>>>definitely one you'll notice.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
> >> >>>>that will do literally everything you specify above, without
> >> >>>>exception.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Neil
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Me too.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74021 is a reply to message #74015] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 21:53 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
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"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>John.
>In all honesty here, I think that if you are having reliability issues with
>Win and Paris, you'll have the same or similar problems with any daw you
>buy, with the possible exception of ProFools, and you don't want to go down
>that road.
>I would suggest that you choose a DAW, and get someone like Morgan, or
>(heaven forbid), Sweetwater to build a purpose built box for you that will
>run as soon as you plug it in.
>FWIW
While I agree with you that there's probably NO DAW/PC combo
that would run perfectly reliably from the get-go (unless you DO
have one purpose-built & bench-tested by someone like Chris
Ludwig's company or something like it, there is no way you'd
have as mnay problems with a solid Swineberg rig as you would
if you scratch-built a Paris rig right now... sorry, that's
really the way it is, and one of the reasons I "went Native".
Paris sounds great, Studer 2" decks sound great, Fairlight
CMI's sound great, but all are well past their productive usage
point in terms of the current real world, so unless you've
already got a current Pais rig that works & rocks reliably,
& gives you EVERYTHING you particularly need, there's no point
in trying to update the situation; if you're needing more than
it can give you, you can either move on, or become like Deej &
get that mad scientist thing happening & spend 27 months
trying to get one fucking thing to work a certain way & still
not get there.
Deej, i love ya, and I think your perseverance is to be
applauded; but i don't get some of you guys - the sound is NO
LONGER that good, compared to what you can get natively.
Neil
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74025 is a reply to message #74021] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 22:31 |
animix
Messages: 356
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I was talking to a certain respectable member of our audio community
yesterday about a pricing a Madi/ Dual dualcore Opteron rig. It's pretty
much capable of everything Paris can do as far as low latency performance. A
used MADI card and ADAT interface capable of 64 I/O and a 96k capable RME 8
chanell AD/DA would run around 3k. I didn't spec out a computer because I
would probably roll my own, but a "build to spec" Opteron rig might be as
low as $2500.00, depending on the "goodies".
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OU.com> wrote in message news:45306d4b$1@linux...
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >John.
> >In all honesty here, I think that if you are having reliability issues
with
>
> >Win and Paris, you'll have the same or similar problems with any daw you
>
> >buy, with the possible exception of ProFools, and you don't want to go
down
>
> >that road.
> >I would suggest that you choose a DAW, and get someone like Morgan, or
> >(heaven forbid), Sweetwater to build a purpose built box for you that
will
>
> >run as soon as you plug it in.
> >FWIW
>
> While I agree with you that there's probably NO DAW/PC combo
> that would run perfectly reliably from the get-go (unless you DO
> have one purpose-built & bench-tested by someone like Chris
> Ludwig's company or something like it, there is no way you'd
> have as mnay problems with a solid Swineberg rig as you would
> if you scratch-built a Paris rig right now... sorry, that's
> really the way it is, and one of the reasons I "went Native".
>
> Paris sounds great, Studer 2" decks sound great, Fairlight
> CMI's sound great, but all are well past their productive usage
> point in terms of the current real world, so unless you've
> already got a current Pais rig that works & rocks reliably,
> & gives you EVERYTHING you particularly need, there's no point
> in trying to update the situation; if you're needing more than
> it can give you, you can either move on, or become like Deej &
> get that mad scientist thing happening & spend 27 months
> trying to get one fucking thing to work a certain way & still
> not get there.
>
> Deej, i love ya, and I think your perseverance is to be
> applauded; but i don't get some of you guys - the sound is NO
> LONGER that good, compared to what you can get natively.
>
> Neil
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74026 is a reply to message #74019] |
Fri, 13 October 2006 23:31 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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No, it was....I can't remember....but it was a PIA to get going, I remember
that......It would take forever to lock up....was it
cuemaster....dunno....27 years ago....
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45306040@linux...
> How did you sync them? Timeline Lynx?
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:4530588f$1@linux...
>> From memory, we did it on the Air Supply album engineered.
>> --
>> Martin Harrington
>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45305555@linux...
>> > ......hummmmmmm.........3 x 827's eh???...........muhahaha!!!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> > "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>> > news:45304d1e$1@linux...
>> >> 3 in sync, (I have done it), will...no probs
>> >> --
>> >> Martin Harrington
>> >> www.lendanear-sound.com
>> >>
>> >> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:452fdc3f$1@linux...
>> >> >
>> >> > And how does a Studer 827 play back 60 tracks? I don't think so.
>> >> >
>> >> > EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >>Me three.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>David.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>DJ wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452f8e96$1@linux...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>Ok, what hardware can do this?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>A Studer 827, plus a console, plus a bunch of outboard gear can
>> >> >>>>do all that.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>Daw needed:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Oh... sorry, didn't see that part at first.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>Truly pro audio sound quality
>> >> >>>>>Records 24 analog channels simultaneously while playing back 24
>> > analog
>> >> >>>>>Can play back 60 analog channels total with dozens of plugsins.
>> >> >>>>>I/O needs to be 20 feet away from the computer that is in another
>> > room
>> >> >>>>>Has a mix buss that doesnt get crushed by lots of tracks
>> >> >>>>>Supports plugin delay compensation and plugin automation.
>> >> >>>>>Supports VSTi's
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>CubaseSX (or Nuendo, of course) can do all this if you go with
>> >> >>>>2 RME Multiface's. Each Multiface has 8 analog ins & outs, plus
>> >> >>>>4 or 8 lightpipe channels, depending on your samplerate (up to
>> >> >>>>48k you can get 8 lightpipe channels, over that, the
>> >> >>>>lightpipe's bandwidth limits it to 4), and 2 SPDIF ins & outs;
>> >> >>>>so really you could get 36 total in's & outs going at once with
>> >> >>>>2 Multifaces. Or if you need 24 strictly analog i/o's, then 3
>> >> >>>>Multifaces would be your ticket.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>As far as the mix buss goes, I am pretty sure I can hear a
>> >> >>>>difference between Cubase V3 and V1, which I had before... I
>> >> >>>>say "pretty sure" because there's always the chance I'm just
>> >> >>>>convincing myself that there's a difference when there really
>> >> >>>>is not - as I understand it, starting on v2 was when they used
>> >> >>>>the same audio engine as Nuendo (v1 supposedly did NOT have the
>> >> >>>>same audio engine as Nuendo - I've not been able to get a
>> >> >>>>definitive answer on this). Worst-case scenario, run submix
>> >> >>>>stems if you're worried about mix buss overstuffing (one stereo
>> >> >>>>submix each for drums, bass & other low-end stuff, guitars,
>> >> >>>>keys, vocals, and whatever else might be applicable - you could
>> >> >>>>do a separate one for solo instruemnts & ambient tracks, for
>> >> >>>>example); anyway, get yourself at least four submix stems, then
>> >> >>>>import those into a new project either for a straight-ahead
>> >> >>>>group mixdown or mastering & you can DEFINITELY hear a
>> >> >>>>difference that way. It's not a huge difference, but it's
>> >> >>>>definitely one you'll notice.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>I'm pretty sure the Steinberg stuff is the only DAW solution
>> >> >>>>that will do literally everything you specify above, without
>> >> >>>>exception.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Neil
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Me too.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74028 is a reply to message #74015] |
Sat, 14 October 2006 00:25 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>John.
>In all honesty here, I think that if you are having reliability issues with
>Win and Paris, you'll have the same or similar problems with any daw you
>buy, with the possible exception of ProFools, and you don't want to go down
>that road.
>I would suggest that you choose a DAW, and get someone like Morgan, or
>(heaven forbid), Sweetwater to build a purpose built box for you that will
>run as soon as you plug it in.
>FWIW
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
Or you could just buy a Mac!
James
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45301bfa$1@linux...
>>
>> Just off the phone with the smart people at $weetwater and they are
>> thinking:
>>
>> ad16x > fireface 800 24 analog
>> or
>> 2 frontier tango 24
>>
>> They are recommending Firewire over PCI to allow for easy computer
>> upgrades.
>> Makes sense to me. He also said the got a bunch of the top apps like
>> cubase,
>> nuendo, sonar and such and rendered tracks out with 1 channel flipped
>> phase
>> and then put it in the other apps and the sound nulled out which means
>> they
>> are the same.
>>
>> Interesting. Sad to say goodbye Paris but I gotta get reliable.
>>
>> John
>
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