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Re: Export to ProTools? Media to use? and other Issues! [message #57465 is a reply to message #57464] |
Wed, 31 August 2005 22:32 |
RZ
Messages: 61 Registered: July 2005
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mpared to what would happen if someone popped a nuke in the
> >> Houston ship channel and in the refinery chain beltween Baton Rouge and
> > New
> >> Orleans.
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> >> It's been over 20 years since we built any new
> >> refineries....why?????.....environmental lobbies here have made it
cheaper
> >> to do it overseas where the oil we buy is being produced because we
can't
> >> drill for that here either.
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> >> In the meantime, there has been no real energy policy that encouraged
> >> investment by the private sector.
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> >> We're getting ready to pay the going price in a global marketplace.
> > Welcome
> >> to European gas prices. Here they come. Fill your tank tonight. It's
going
> >> up tomorrow.
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> >> This, of course, is all hindsight. What we're really paying the price
for
> > is
> >> a failure of the private sector and the government to be able to
> > coordinate
> >> an energy policy that is truly effective. The government couldn't do it
> >> alone. Bureaucracies are neither effective, efficient or creative.
Private
> >> enterprise goes where the money is when the money is a sure bet.
> >>
> >> All bets are off now. Time to wake up. I'd rather invest the money I'm
> >> paying in taxes to solar and hydrogen technology research. Think I'll
be
> >> able to write it off???? F*** no!
> >>
> >> ;O(
> >>
> >>
> >> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
> >> news:43165f67@linux...
> >>> yiiiikes
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >
>That's what I'm not sure I understand (having not seen the relative
figures). I've heard that said about inflation, but it doesn't seem to
coincide with other prices and wages. Oil jumped from about $14/barrel to
$37 or so due to the Iran/Iraq war from 1978 to 1980. That was a 160%
increase for that time, and the equivalent of $86/barrel today. However,
that was an event spike, not a normal inflationary increase, and it spurred
a push in the 80's for more energy conservation (i.e. consumption went down,
relative to growth by something l
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Re: Export to ProTools? Media to use? and other Issues! [message #57466 is a reply to message #57464] |
Wed, 31 August 2005 22:38 |
RZ
Messages: 61 Registered: July 2005
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ike 20% didn't it?). Inflation hasn't
risen by that much since 1978. I look at salaries when I graduated college
relative to now (same profession, starting salary) and those also haven't
increase 3 fold - actually not even 2X. By 1986/87 oil prices had dropped
back well below 1980 prices (close to $14-$20/barrel). In looking at the
general 20 year price trend, there isn't a 4X increase in any market I know
of. Wasn't a gallon of mild about $1.00 around 1980? It's $2.79 now -
279%. We are looking at an over 200% increase in oil prices in a year, and
4X since 1986 (7X since 1998, but that low wasn't a norm). With gas now
predicted to top $4/gallon, that's well over 200% in a year at the pump too.
In 2004, Principal Global Investors' economic report cited the rise to
$44/barrel as a disruption (comparing the 1973 to 1974 rise of 269% as a
"shock"). They did however propose that the resulting economic recessions
of 1974 and 1980-81 were a result of spiking interest rates, not the oil
price spikes. I could see the same happening now. However, it seems to me
that interest rates are set as a reverse reaction rather than stimulus
proaction during economic burdening events (oil price rises, etc). While
investing takes a hit during low interest rates, housing booms. When
interest rates soar, housing crashes, as well as some businesses. Loans are
more of a burden on the economy than investing is a boon, at least in my
unqualified opinion. That may be a bad indicator of what the economic basis
is, but it seems more of our reality than not.
We seem to be on an exponential increase with oil now spurred by events
rather than inflation. Such a spike is similar to '74 and '80. I just hope
the results aren't worse.
Regarding alternative energy - you are quite right (and I also know you are
more informed about the oil industry than I am) - we do need to bite the
bullet and start moving to other sources. I know there are hydrogen fuel
cell cars on the near horizon - some manufacturers have started previewing
them in ads, but obviously fuel sources and distribution are a huge
limitation. I'm not psyched about extending the life of nuclear power (esp.
into cars). It isn't a long term solution. IMHO, the long term risks
(waste disposal more than meltdown risk) are just as high as depending on
oil.
At least maybe this rise will get us moving towards something else -
anything else. My mountain bi
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