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| Re: A new Trident 80B console for $2,500.00!!! [message #59644 is a reply to message #59633] |
Fri, 28 October 2005 11:22   |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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it
is.
> having said that, I will go out on a limb here. There has never been an
>analog mixer of this quality at this price point. This will be a great
mixer
>for project studios, and pro studios. This will be a more pro mixer at
a
>project mixer price. They don't use components like this in Mackie mixers
>or A&H. This is a different level. Of course this all remains to be seen!
>
>
>My guess is the bad stuff your hearing about the new Trident is about the
>Oram Trident, which IMHO doesn't surprise me. But I think you should hear
>the stuff for yourself.
>
>As for Fletcher, well he has a tendency to be harsh and overly critical
at
>times, he is a self proclaimed audio snob! He did post a retraction of
>sorts about the Toft mic pres, he actually likes them! I believe he was
>comparing the Toft to much more expensive mic pres. Allen Hyett posted
Fletcher's
>retraction/explanation in the thread, you'll have to look for it and read
>it for yourself.
>
>I know I made a comment about it being a great front end for Paris. My
thinking
>is that it will beat something like a Mackie, not a high end mic pre. With
>16 high quality mic pres, 56 ch. of input for mixing down keyboards etc.,
>8 busses, and a digital I/O option, at $2,000.00 it's hard to beat for what
>it is. The 8 ch Shadow Hills pre is a vary nice piece, it also cost about
>twice as much as the mixer I'm talking about, and you can't mix down 56
channels
>x8x2. There is always something out there that is better for more money,
>but not in an analog mixer at this price point. Of course everybody's needs
>for their studio will be different.
>
>This certainly is not the end all mixer, but it will be a higher quality
>mixer than all of us can afford, and some of us may be able to afford three
>at that price. As a pro audio dealer, I honestly thought this would cost
>ten thousand more than the projected price. At it's price point I think
>it is more revolutionary that the Mackie 8 buss when it came out. Time
will
>tell!
>
>Don't rule this one out yet, it could turn out to really be a contender!
>
>James
>
>"benjamin" <none@a.a> wrote:
>>Yep, it's got the trident name, and a couple of nice transformers on the
>mix
>>bus, but it's not discrete or class A, so it's not going to sound anything
>
>>like a classic console. If you want a great front end for relatively cheap,
>
>>look at the Shadow Hills 8-channel pre.
>>
>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:43622744$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I have heard not so great things about the new Trident stuff from more
>
>>> than
>>> a few.
>>> I thought that little mixer they made looked cool, but I heard it did
>not
>>> sound anything like the classic trident stuff. Flecther seems to not
liek
>>> the Pre to much in that little Toft channel strip.
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The mic pre on the Toft will be using a Burr Brown OP Amp mic pre, the
>
>>>>same
>>>>as the Toft ATC-2. The rest of the console will be Trident 80B. Allen
>>> Hyatt
>>>>talks about all of the features though the thread. 56 channels at mix
>
>>>>down
>>>>on the 16 ch. model and 72 on the 24 ch. model, this thing should rock!
>>>
>>>>There is also a 32 Ch. version coming out. I think I know what my next
>>> analog
>>>>console will be: ) I can't wait to hear them.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>This is going to be great!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Well it looks like Malcolm Toft and John Oram are going toe to toe with
>>>>new
>>>>>versions of the Trident 80b console. The killer thing is the 16 ch.
>
>>>>>versions
>>>>>are going to cost around $2,500.00. The Toft console also has an
>>>>>optional
>>>>>digital I/O card. Can you say, killer front end for my Paris rig???
>
>>>>>Check
>>>>>out the thread at gearsluts.com under "New product alert!", Important
>you
>>>>>start with the Toft thread. The whole Toft, Oram , trident war almost
>>> started
>>>>>again, the thread gets heated.
>>>>>
>>>>>Check out the specs.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.toftaudiodesigns.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://aes.harmony-central.com/119AES/Content/Toft_Audio/PR/ ADB-Consoles.htm
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| Re: A new Trident 80B console for $2,500.00!!! [message #59646 is a reply to message #59644] |
Fri, 28 October 2005 11:36 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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>it for yourself.
>
>I know I made a comment about it being a great front end for Paris. =
My
thinking
>is that it will beat something like a Mackie, not a high end mic pre. =
With
>16 high quality mic pres, 56 ch. of input for mixing down keyboards =
etc.,
>8 busses, and a digital I/O option, at $2,000.00 it's hard to beat =
for what
>it is. The 8 ch Shadow Hills pre is a vary nice piece, it also cost =
about
>twice as much as the mixer I'm talking about, and you can't mix down =
56
channels
>x8x2. There is always something out there that is better for more =
money,
>but not in an analog mixer at this price point. Of course =
everybody's needs
>for their studio will be different.
>
>This certainly is not the end all mixer, but it will be a higher =
quality
>mixer than all of us can afford, and some of us may be able to afford =
three
>at that price. As a pro audio dealer, I honestly thought this would =
cost
>ten thousand more than the projected price. At it's price point I =
think
>it is more revolutionary that the Mackie 8 buss when it came out. =
Time
will
>tell!
>
>Don't rule this one out yet, it could turn out to really be a =
contender!
>
>James
>
>"benjamin" <none@a.a> wrote:
>>Yep, it's got the trident name, and a couple of nice transformers on =
the
>mix=20
>>bus, but it's not discrete or class A, so it's not going to sound =
anything
>
>>like a classic console. If you want a great front end for relatively =
cheap,
>
>>look at the Shadow Hills 8-channel pre.
>>
>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message =
news:43622744$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I have heard not so great things about the new Trident stuff from =
more
>
>>> than
>>> a few.
>>> I thought that little mixer they made looked cool, but I heard it =
did
>not
>>> sound anything like the classic trident stuff. Flecther seems to =
not
liek
>>> the Pre to much in that little Toft channel strip.
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The mic pre on the Toft will be using a Burr Brown OP Amp mic pre, =
the
>
>>>>same
>>>>as the Toft ATC-2. The rest of the console will be Trident 80B. =
Allen
>>> Hyatt
>>>>talks about all of the features though the thread. 56 channels at =
mix
>
>>>>down
>>>>on the 16 ch. model and 72 on the 24 ch. model, this thing should =
rock!
>>>
>>>>There is also a 32 Ch. version coming out. I think I know what my =
next
>>> analog
>>>>console will be: ) I can't wait to hear them.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>This is going to be great!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Well it looks like Malcolm Toft and John Oram are going toe to =
toe with
>>>>new
>>>>>versions of the Trident 80b console. The killer thing is the 16 =
ch.
>
>>>>>versions
>>>>>are going to cost around $2,500.00. The Toft console also has an =
>>>>>optional
>>>>>digital I/O card. Can you say, killer front end for my Paris =
rig???
>
>>>>>Check
>>>>>out the thread at gearsluts.com under "New product alert!", =
Important
>you
>>>>>start with the Toft thread. The whole Toft, Oram , trident war =
almost
>>> started
>>>>>again, the thread gets heated.
>>>>>
>>>>>Check out the specs.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.toftaudiodesigns.com/
>>>>>
=
>>>>> http://aes.harmony-central.com/119AES/Content/Toft_Audio/PR/ ADB-Cons=
oles.html
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.oram.co.uk/
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>
>>>=20
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| Re: A new Trident 80B console for $2,500.00!!! [message #59647 is a reply to message #59646] |
Fri, 28 October 2005 11:38 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
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t post it should have read 56 input x8x2. <BR><BR>Although it =
is=20
speculation on my part, I'm betting the toft mic pres are<BR>going to =
be much=20
better than the Oram mic pres on their version of the =
mixer.<BR> Read the=20
thread on gearsluts.com Allen Hyett tells what components =
they<BR>are=20
going to use in the Toft mixer. They also made customer changes =
on=20
the<BR>mixer design since the thread started. They added a mono =
switch,=20
UV meters<BR>and other things. It's amazing that a company would =
listen=20
to customer requests<BR>and make immediate changes to the =
design! Check=20
it out.<BR><BR>James<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>"James McCloskey" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com">excelsm@hotmail.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>>I'll give my opinion. The Toft mixer has =
more=20
features and input than the<BR>>Oram, and is projected to cost =
less,=20
possibly closer to $2,000.00! The<BR>production<BR>>model =
doesn't=20
even exist yet, so we will have to see how good or bad =
it<BR>is.<BR>>=20
having said that, I will go out on a limb here. There has never =
been=20
an<BR>>analog mixer of this quality at this price point. This =
will be=20
a great<BR>mixer<BR>>for project studios, and pro studios. =
This will=20
be a more pro mixer at<BR>a<BR>>project mixer price. They =
don't use=20
components like this in Mackie mixers<BR>>or A&H. This is =
a=20
different level. Of course this all remains to be seen!<BR>>=20
<BR>><BR>>My guess is the bad stuff your hearing about the new =
Trident=20
is about the<BR>>Oram Trident, which IMHO doesn't surprise =
me. But I=20
think you should hear<BR>>the stuff for yourself.<BR>><BR>>As =
for=20
Fletcher, well he has a tendency to be harsh and overly=20
critical<BR>at<BR>>times, he is a self proclaimed audio =
snob! =20
He did post a retraction of<BR>>sorts about the Toft mic pres, he =
actually=20
likes them! I believe he was<BR>>comparing the Toft to =
much=20
more expensive mic pres. Allen Hyett=20
posted<BR>Fletcher's<BR>>retraction/explanation in the thread, =
you'll have=20
to look for it and read<BR>>it for yourself.<BR>><BR>>I know =
I made a=20
comment about it being a great front end for Paris. =20
My<BR>thinking<BR>>is that it will beat something like a Mackie, =
not a high=20
end mic pre. With<BR>>16 high quality mic pres, 56 ch. of =
input for=20
mixing down keyboards etc.,<BR>>8 busses, and a digital I/O option, =
at=20
$2,000.00 it's hard to beat for what<BR>>it is. The 8 ch =
Shadow Hills=20
pre is a vary nice piece, it also cost about<BR>>twice as much as =
the mixer=20
I'm talking about, and you can't mix down =
56<BR>channels<BR>>x8x2. =20
There is always something out there that is better for more =
money,<BR>>but=20
not in an analog mixer at this price point. Of course =
everybody's=20
needs<BR>>for their studio will be different.<BR>><BR>>This =
certainly=20
is not the end all mixer, but it will be a higher quality<BR>>mixer =
than=20
all of us can afford, and some of us may be able to afford =
three<BR>>at=20
that price. As a pro audio dealer, I honestly thought this would =
cost<BR>>ten thousand more than the projected price. At it's =
price=20
point I think<BR>>it is more revolutionary that the Mackie 8 buss =
when it=20
came out. Time<BR>will<BR>>tell!<BR>><BR>>Don't rule =
this one=20
out yet, it could turn out to really be a=20
contender!<BR>><BR>>James<BR>><BR >>"benjamin" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:none@a.a">none@a.a</A>> wrote:<BR>>>Yep, it's =
got the=20
trident name, and a couple of nice transformers on the<BR>>mix=20
<BR>>>bus, but it's not discrete or class A, so it's not going =
to sound=20
anything<BR>><BR>>>like a classic console. If you want a =
great front=20
end for relatively cheap,<BR>><BR>>>look at the Shadow Hills=20
8-channel pre.<BR>>><BR>>>"cujo" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chris@applemanstudio.com">chris@applemanstudio.com</A>>=
wrote=20
in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:43622744$1@linux">news:43622744$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
t;<BR>>>>=20
I have heard not so great things about the new Trident stuff from=20
more<BR>><BR>>>> than<BR>>>> a =
few.<BR>>>> I=20
thought that little mixer they made looked cool, but I heard it=20
did<BR>>not<BR>>>> sound anything like the classic trident =
stuff.=20
Flecther seems to not<BR>liek<BR>>>> the Pre to much in that =
little=20
Toft channel strip.<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>> =
"James=20
McCloskey" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com">excelsm@hotmail.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>The mic pre on the Toft =
will be=20
using a Burr Brown OP Amp mic pre,=20
the<BR>><BR>>>>>same<BR >>>>>as the Toft=20
ATC-2. The rest of the console will be Trident 80B. =20
Allen<BR>>>> Hyatt<BR>>>>>talks about all of the =
features=20
though the thread. 56 channels at=20
mix<BR>><BR>>>>>down<BR >>>>>on the 16 ch. =
model and=20
72 on the 24 ch. model, this thing should=20
rock!<BR>>>><BR>>>>>There is also a 32 Ch. =
version coming=20
out. I think I know what my next<BR>>>>=20
analog<BR>>>>>console will be: ) I can't wait to =
hear=20
=
them.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>James <BR>>>>><BR=
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going=20
to cost around $2,500.00. The Toft console also has an=20
<BR>>>>>>optional<BR>>>>>>digital I/O=20
card. Can you say, killer front end for my Paris=20
rig???<BR>><BR>>>>>>Check <BR>>>>>>out =
the=20
thread at gearsluts.com under "New product alert!",=20
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------=_NextPart_000_016F_01C5DBCD.471C9000--I'll be watching these developments.
I caught the UV/VU thing too. Now instead of a farmer's tan, you can have a
mixer's tan! ;>)
Tony
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:43627147@linux...
James,
UV meters are something new. Might keep the
studio tan in check.
T.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43626f92$1@linux...
In my last post it should have read 56 input x8x2.
Although it is speculation on my part, I'm betting the toft mic pres are
going to be much better than the Oram mic pres on their version of the
mixer.
Read the thread on gearsluts.com Allen Hyett tells what components they
are going to use in the Toft mixer. They also made customer changes on
the
mixer design since the thread started. They added a mono switch, UV
meters
and other things. It's amazing that a company would listen to customer
requests
and make immediate changes to the design! Check it out.
James
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I'll give my opinion. The Toft mixer has more features and input than
the
>Oram, and is projected to cost less, possibly closer to $2,000.00! The
production
>model doesn't even exist yet, so we will have to see how good or bad it
is.
> having said that, I will go out on a limb here. There has never been an
>analog mixer of this quality at this price point. This will be a great
mixer
>for project studios, and pro studios. This will be a more pro mixer at
a
>project mixer price. They don't use components like this in Mackie
mixers
>or A&H. This is a different level. Of course this all remains to be
seen!
>
>
>My guess is the bad stuff your hearing about the new Trident is about the
>Oram Trident, which IMHO doesn't surprise me. But I think you should
hear
>the stuff for yourself.
>
>As for Fletcher, well he has a tendency to be harsh and overly critical
at
>times, he is a self proclaimed audio snob! He did post a retraction of
>sorts about the Toft mic pres, he actually likes them! I believe he was
>comparing the Toft to much more expensive mic pres. Allen Hyett posted
Fletcher's
>retraction/explanation in the thread, you'll have to look for it and read
>it for yourself.
>
>I know I made a comment about it being a great front end for Paris. My
thinking
>is that it will beat something like a Mackie, not a high end mic pre.
With
>16 high quality mic pres, 56 ch. of input for mixing down keyboards etc.,
>8 busses, and a digital I/O option, at $2,000.00 it's hard to beat for
what
>it is. The 8 ch Shadow Hills pre is a vary nice piece, it also cost
about
>twice as much as the mixer I'm talking about, and you can't mix down 56
channels
>x8x2. There is always something out there that is better for more money,
>but not in an analog mixer at this price point. Of course everybody's
needs
>for their studio will be different.
>
>This certainly is not the end all mixer, but it will be a higher quality
>mixer than all of us can afford, and some of us may be able to afford
three
>at that price. As a pro audio dealer, I honestly thought this would cost
>ten thousand more than the projected price. At it's price point I think
>it is more revolutionary that the Mackie 8 buss when it came out. Time
will
>tell!
>
>Don't rule this one out yet, it could turn out to really be a contender!
>
>James
>
>"benjamin" <none@a.a> wrote:
>>Yep, it's got the trident name, and a couple of nice transformers on the
>mix
>>bus, but it's not discrete or class A, so it's not going to sound
anything
>
>>like a classic console. If you want a great front end for relatively
cheap,
>
>>look at the Shadow Hills 8-channel pre.
>>
>>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
news:43622744$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I have heard not so great things about the new Trident stuff from more
>
>>> than
>>> a few.
>>> I thought that little mixer they made looked cool, but I heard it did
>not
>>> sound anything like the classic trident stuff. Flecther seems to not
liek
>>> the Pre to much in that little Toft channel strip.
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The mic pre on the Toft will be using a Burr Brown OP Amp mic pre, the
>
>>>>same
>>>>as the Toft ATC-2. The rest of the console will be Trident 80B.
Allen
>>> Hyatt
>>>>talks about all of the features though the thread. 56 channels at mix
>
>>>>down
>>>>on the 16 ch. model and 72 on the 24 ch. model, this thing should
rock!
>>>
>>>>There is also a 32 Ch. version coming out. I think I know what my
next
>>> analog
>>>>console will be: ) I can't wait to hear them.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>This is going to be great!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Well it looks like Malcolm Toft and John Oram are going toe to toe
with
>>>>new
>>>>>versions of the Trident 80b console. The killer thing is the 16 ch.
>
>>>>>versions
>>>>>are going to cost around $2,500.00. The Toft console also has an
>>>>>optional
>>>>>digital I/O card. Can you say, killer front end for my Paris rig???
>
>>>>>Check
>>>>>out the thread at gearsluts.com under "New product alert!", Important
>you
>>>>>start with the Toft thread. The whole Toft, Oram , trident war
almost
>>> started
>>>>>again, the thread gets heated.
>>>>>
>>>>>Check out the specs.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.toftaudiodesigns.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://aes.harmony-central.com/119AES/Content/Toft_Audio/PR/ ADB-Consoles.html
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.oram.co.uk/
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>I don't suppose there is any hope of a Mac Wormhole. If I was running a PC
I'd buy. Sorry.
Tony
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4361ea71$1@linux...
>
> Hello to everyone.
> After my last conversation with Adrian -wormhole's author- I have
> concluded
> that wormhole is not selling well ( where are we guys ?) so maybe major
> updates
> will get longer to support as he has to concentrate his efforts to
> "selling"
> appz.
> I wonder how we Parisians expect plugin authors like Adrian to support
> plugins
> like wormhole which are a godsend for Paris with tremendous present and
> future
> possibilities... (he is thinking of making wormhole lighter so to have
> even
> more instances).
> I don't see us people here supporting wormhole and that makes me sad and
> maybe all my efforts toward this direction will fail somehow.
> If we don't buy it how can we ask him for this and that ?
> Even two or three buys would not justify major -Paris oriented- updates
> with
> wormhole...
> Please sign here if you care for using wormhole even as two channel cross
> bridge beetween two computers (NOTE IT CAN BE USED ON SAME COMPUTER WITH
> DIFFERENT APPZ TOO).
> If we sign enouph people here (enouph depends I would say 10 and over I
> will
> kindly ask for a small discount for mass purchase.
> Please try wormhole and see for yourself how great this plugin is.
> We need Adrian (convince him make
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Fri, 28 October 2005 11:55 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
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appz suited to Paris) and we certainly
> need wormhole.
> It will keep Paris alive for things to come no matter where audio
> technology
> will go.
> You will always have Paris thus connected with modern pc's doing what it
> is known to do best, sounding good when summing...
> Please forgive me if I am being so pushy with this but noone else except
> for Adrian (till now) has showed so much interest to help us ,Paris
> users.
> I wanna convince him make an automatic LATENCY compensator for VST plugins
> which I think would be great if succeeded.
> Believe me if only two-three Paris users will sign this I will be having
> no guts to ask him that or anything else.
> This plugin sells for 49 $ only...
> Please respond with signing also.
> With regards,
> DimitriosI've allready buied it in June without yet using it.
Erling
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> skrev i melding news:4361ea71$1@linux...
>
> Hello to everyone.
> After my last conversation with Adrian -wormhole's author- I have
> concluded
> that wormhole is not selling well ( where are we guys ?) so maybe major
> updates
> will get longer to support as he has to concentrate his efforts to
> "selling"
> appz.
> I wonder how we Parisians expect plugin authors like Adrian to support
> plugins
> like wormhole which are a godsend for Paris with tremendous present and
> future
> possibilities... (he is thinking of making wormhole lighter so to have
> even
> more instances).
> I don't see us people here supporting wormhole and that makes me sad and
> maybe all my efforts toward this direction will fail somehow.
> If we don't buy it how can we ask him for this and that ?
> Even two or three buys would not justify major -Paris oriented- updates
> with
> wormhole...
> Please sign here if you care for using wormhole even as two channel cross
> bridge beetween two computers (NOTE IT CAN BE USED ON SAME COMPUTER WITH
> DIFFERENT APPZ TOO).
> If we sign enouph people here (enouph depends I would say 10 and over I
> will
> kindly ask for a small discount for mass purchase.
> Please try wormhole and see for yourself how great this plugin is.
> We need Adrian (convince him make appz suited to Paris) and we certainly
> need wormhole.
> It will keep Paris alive for things to come no matter where audio
> technology
> will go.
> You will always have Paris thus connected with modern pc's doing what it
> is known to do best, sounding good when summing...
> Please forgive me if I am being so pushy with this but noone else except
> for Adrian (till now) has showed so much interest to help us ,Paris
> users.
> I wanna convince him make an automatic LATENCY compensator for VST plugins
> which I think would be great if succeeded.
> Believe me if only two-three Paris users will sign this I will be having
> no guts to ask him that or anything else.
> This plugin sells for 49 $ only...
> Please respond with signing also.
> With regards,
> DimitriosSee what happens when you type too fast! Hey on my old Tascam M-224 mixer
they where called UV meters!
James
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>James,
>UV meters are something new. Might keep the
>studio tan in check.
>T.
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
>news:43626f92$1@linux...
>
> In my last post it should have read 56 input x8x2. =20
>
> Although it is speculation on my part, I'm betting the toft mic pres =
>are
> going to be much better than the Oram mic pres on their version of the
=
>mixer.
> Read the thread on gearsluts.com Allen Hyett tells what components =
>they
> are going to use in the Toft mixer. They also made customer changes =
>on the
> mixer design since the thread started. They added a mono switch, UV =
>meters
> and other things. It's amazing that a company would listen to =
>customer requests
> and make immediate changes to the design! Check it out.
>
> James
>
>
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >I'll give my opinion. The Toft mixer has more features and input =
>than the
> >Oram, and is projected to cost less, possibly closer to $2,000.00! =
>The
> production
> >model doesn't even exist yet, so we will have to see how good or bad
=
>it
> is.
> > having said that, I will go out on a limb here. There has never =
>been an
> >analog mixer of this quality at this price point. This will be a =
>great
> mixer
> >for project studios, and pro studios. This will be a more pro mixer
=
>at
> a
> >project mixer price. They don't use components like this in Mackie =
>mixers
> >or A&H. This is a different level. Of course this all remains to be
=
>seen!
> >=20
> >
> >My guess is the bad stuff your hearing about the new Trident is about
=
>the
> >Oram Trident, which IMHO doesn't surprise me. But I think you should
=
>hear
> >the stuff for yourself.
> >
> >As for Fletcher, well he has a tendency to be harsh and overly =
>critical
> at
> >times, he is a self proclaimed audio snob! He did post a retraction
=
>of
> >sorts about the Toft mic pres, he actually likes them! I believe he
=
>was
> >comparing the Toft to much more expensive mic pres. Allen Hyett =
>posted
> Fletcher's
> >retraction/explanation in the thread, you'll have to look for it and
=
>read
> >it for yourself.
> >
> >I know I made a comment about it being a great front end for Paris.
=
>My
> thinking
> >is that it will beat something like a Mackie, not a high end mic pre.
=
> With
> >16 high quality mic pres, 56 ch. of input for mixing down keyboards =
>etc.,
> >8 busses, and a digital I/O option, at $2,000.00 it's hard to beat =
>for what
> >it is. The 8 ch Shadow Hills pre is a vary nice piece, it also cost
=
>about
> >twice as much as the mixer I'm talking about, and you can't mix down
=
>56
> channels
> >x8x2. There is always something out there that is better for more =
>money,
> >but not in an analog mixer at this price point. Of course =
>everybody's needs
> >for their studio will be different.
> >
> >This certainly is not the end all mixer, but it will be a higher =
>quality
> >mixer than all of us can afford, and some of us may be able to afford
=
>three
> >at that price. As a pro audio dealer, I honestly thought this would
=
>cost
> >ten thousand more than the projected price. At it's price point I =
>think
> >it is more revolutionary that the Mackie 8 buss when it came out. =
>Time
> will
> >tell!
> >
&
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| Re: A new Trident 80B console for $2,500.00!!! [message #59651 is a reply to message #59647] |
Fri, 28 October 2005 13:08 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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/DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>studio tan in check.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>T.</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"James McCloskey" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com">excelsm@hotmail.com</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> <A =
>href=3D"news:43626f92$1@linux">news:43626f92$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>In
=
>my=20
> last post it should have read 56 input x8x2. <BR><BR>Although it =
>is=20
> speculation on my part, I'm betting the toft mic pres are<BR>going to
=
>be much=20
> better than the Oram mic pres on their version of the =
>mixer.<BR> Read the=20
> thread on gearsluts.com Allen Hyett tells what components =
>they<BR>are=20
> going to use in the Toft mixer. They also made customer changes =
>on=20
> the<BR>mixer design since the thread started. They added a mono =
>switch,=20
> UV meters<BR>and other things. It's amazing that a company would =
>listen=20
> to customer requests<BR>and make immediate changes to the =
>design! Check=20
> it out.<BR><BR>James<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>"James McCloskey" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com">excelsm@hotmail.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>>I'll give my opinion. The Toft mixer has =
>more=20
> features and input than the<BR>>Oram, and is projected to cost =
>less,=20
> possibly closer to $2,000.00! The<BR>production<BR>>model =
>doesn't=20
> even exist yet, so we will have to see how good or bad =
>it<BR>is.<BR>>=20
> having said that, I will go out on a limb here. There has never =
>been=20
> an<BR>>analog mixer of this quality at this price point. This =
>will be=20
> a great<BR>mixer<BR>>for project studios, and pro studios. =
>This will=20
> be a more pro mixer at<BR>a<BR>>project mixer price. They =
>don't use=20
> components like this in Mackie mixers<BR>>or A&H. This is =
>a=20
> different level. Of course this all remains to be seen!<BR>>=20
> <BR>><BR>>My guess is the bad stuff your hearing about the new =
>Trident=20
> is about the<BR>>Oram Trident, which IMHO doesn't surprise =
>me. But I=20
> think you should hear<BR>>the stuff for yourself.<BR>><BR>>As =
>for=20
> Fletcher, well he has a tendency to be harsh and overly=20
> critical<BR>at<BR>>times, he is a self proclaimed audio =
>snob! =20
> He did post a retraction of<BR>>sorts about the Toft mic pres, he =
>actually=20
> likes them! I believe he was<BR>>comparing the Toft to =
>much=20
> more expensive mic pres. Allen Hyett=20
> posted<BR>Fletcher's<BR>>retraction/explanation in the thread, =
>you'll have=20
> to look for it and read<BR>>it for yourself.<BR>><BR>>I know =
>I made a=20
> comment about it being a great front end for Paris. =20
> My<BR>thinking<BR>>is that it will beat something like a Mackie, =
>not a high=20
> end mic pre. With<BR>>16 high quality mic pres, 56 ch. of =
>input for=20
> mixing down keyboards etc.,<BR>>8 busses, and a digital I/O option, =
>at=20
> $2,000.00 it's hard to beat for what<BR>>it is. The 8 ch =
>Shadow Hills=20
> pre is a vary nice piece, it also cost about<BR>>twice as much as =
>the mixer=20
> I'm talking about, and you can't mix down =
>56<BR>channels<BR>>x8x2. =20
> There is always something out there that is better for more =
>money,<BR>>but=20
> not in an analog mixer at this price point. Of course =
>everybody's=20
> needs<BR>>for their studio will be different.<BR>><BR>>This =
>certainly=20
> is not the end all mixer, but it will be a higher quality<BR>>mixer =
>than=20
> all of us can afford, and some of us may be able to afford =
>three<BR>>at=20
> that price. As a pro audio dealer, I honestly thought this would =
>
> cost<BR>>ten thousand more than the projected price. At it's =
>price=20
> point I think<BR>>it is more revolutionary that the Mackie 8 buss =
>when it=20
> came out. Time<BR>will<BR>>tell!<BR>><BR>>Don't rule =
>this one=20
> out yet, it could turn out to really be a=20
> contender!<BR>><BR>>James<BR>><BR>>"benjamin" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:none@a.a">none@a.a</A>> wrote:<BR>>>Yep, it's =
>got the=20
> trident name, and a couple of nice transformers on the<BR>>mix=20
> <BR>>>bus, but it's not discrete or class A, so it's not going =
>to sound=20
> anything<BR>><BR>>>like a classic console. If you want a =
>great front=20
> end for relatively cheap,<BR>><BR>>>look at the Shadow Hills=20
> 8-channel pre.<BR>>><BR>>>"cujo" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:chris@applemanstudio.com">chris@applemanstudio.com</A>>=
> wrote=20
> in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:43622744$1@linux">news:43622744$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
>t;<BR>>>>=20
> I have heard not so great things about the new Trident stuff from=20
> more<BR>><BR>>>> than<BR>>>> a =
>few.<BR>>>> I=20
> thought that little mixer they made looked cool, but I heard it=20
> did<BR>>not<BR>>>> sound anything like the classic trident =
>stuff.=20
> Flecther seems to not<BR>liek<BR>>>> the Pre to much in that =
>little=20
> Toft channel strip.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> =
>"James=20
> McCloskey" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com">excelsm@hotmail.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>The mic pre on the Toft =
>will be=20
> using a Burr Brown OP Amp mic pre,=20
> the<BR>><BR>>>>>same<BR>>>>>as the Toft=20
> ATC-2. The rest of the console will be Trident 80B. =20
> Allen<BR>>>> Hyatt<BR>>>>>talks about all of the =
>features=20
> though the thread. 56 channels at=20
> mix<BR>><BR>>>>>down<BR>>>>>on the 16 ch. =
>model and=20
> 72 on the 24 ch. model, this thing should=20
> rock!<BR>>>><BR>>>>>There is also a 32 Ch. =
>version coming=20
> out. I think I know what my next<BR>>>>=20
> analog<BR>>>>>console will be: ) I can't wait to =
>hear=20
> =
>them.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>James<BR>>>>><BR=
>>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>"James=20
> McCloskey" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com">excelsm@hotmail.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>This is going to =
>be=20
> great!!!<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>Well it looks =
>like=20
> Malcolm Toft and John Oram are going toe to toe=20
> with<BR>>>>>new<BR>>>>>>versions of the =
>Trident 80b=20
> console. The killer thing is the 16=20
> ch.<BR>><BR>>>>>>versions<BR>>>>>>are =
>going=20
> to cost around $2,500.00. The Toft console also has an=20
> <BR>>>>>>optional<BR>>>>>>digital I/O=20
> card. Can you say, killer front end for my Paris=20
> rig???<BR>><BR>>>>>>Check<BR>>>>>>out =
>the=20
> thread at gearsluts.com under "New product alert!",=20
> Important<BR>>you<BR>>>>>>start with the Toft =
>thread. =20
> The whole Toft, Oram , trident war almost<BR>>>>=20
> started<BR>>>>>>again, the thread gets=20
> heated.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>Check out the=20
> =
>specs.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>http://www.toftaudi=
>odesigns.com/<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>http://aes.h=
> armony-central.com/119AES/Content/Toft_Audio/PR/ADB-Consoles .html <BR>>=
>>>>><BR>>>>>>http://www.oram.co.uk/<BR>>>=
>;>>><BR>>>>>>James<BR>>>>><BR>>>=
>;>=20
> <BR>>><BR>>></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
>Can you post a site or more information? I'm not clear on what this is and/or
what your using it for?
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hello to everyone.
>After my last conversation with Adrian -wormhole's author- I have concluded
>that wormhole is not selling well ( where are we guys ?) so maybe major
updates
>will get longer to support as he has to concentrate his efforts to "selling"
>appz.
>I wonder how we Parisians expect plugin authors like Adrian to support plugins
>like wormhole which are a godsend for Paris with tremendous present and
future
>possibilities... (he is thinking of making wormhole lighter so to have even
>more instances).
>I don't see us people here supporting wormhole and that makes me sad and
>maybe all my efforts toward this direction will fail somehow.
>If we don't buy it how can we ask him for this and that ?
>Even two or three buys would not justify major -Paris oriented- updates
with
>wormhole...
>Please sign here if you care for using wormhole even as two channel cross
>bridge beetween two computers (NOTE IT CAN BE USED ON SAME COMPUTER WITH
>DIFFERENT APPZ TOO).
>If we sign enouph people here (enouph depends I would say 10 and over I
will
>kindly ask for a small discount for mass purchase.
>Please try wormhole and see for yourself how great this plugin is.
>We need Adrian (convince him make appz suited to Paris) and we certainly
>need wormhole.
>It will keep Paris alive for things to come no matter where audio technology
>will go.
>You will always have Paris thus connected with modern pc's doing what it
>is known to do best, sounding good when summing...
>Please forgive me if I am being so pushy with this but noone else except
>for Adrian (till now) has showed so much interest to help us ,Paris users.
>I wanna convince him make an automatic LATENCY compensator for VST plugins
>which I think would be great if succeeded.
>Believe me if only two-three Paris users will sign this I will be having
>no guts to ask him that or anything else.
>This plugin sells for 49 $ only...
>Please respond with signing also.
>With regards,
>Dimitrios"Tony Benson" <t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p t o n.c o m> wrote:
>I don't suppose there is any hope of a Mac Wormhole. If I was running a
PC
>I'd buy. Sorry.
>
>Tony
>
You get both a Mac and a PC copy. I use it for both and frequently cross-platform.
ggenelennon wrote:
> "Tony Benson" <t o n y@s t a n d i n g h a m p t o n.c o m> wrote:
>
>>I don't suppose there is any hope of a Mac Wormhole. If I was running a
>
> PC
>
>>I'd buy. Sorry.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>
> You get both a Mac and a PC copy. I use it for both and frequently cross-platform.
> g
Hey, that's crazy. It says it works over airport.. anyone tried that?
Cheers,
TCDear Rick,
I am really dissapointed in your post.
If you don't care buying thats ok but saying that it is slavery to buy something
that is so innovative for Paris and not only and considering the som many
hours spent to make things smooth for Paris and wormhole as much as possible
without me being involved at all in the sales of this plugin that really
makes me feel sad.
I was hoping that you at least would appreciatte all the efoorts here and
that wouild be supporting those nice and cheap plugins that help Paris .
I see people here payinmg 250 $ for a single adat card so for 3 adat cards
750 $.
plus a Mec 150$ almost a 1000 $ to just have 24 adat 20 bit tracks from one
PC to another.
Now a simple plugin lets you have 24 bit (or 32bit floating until you use
Paris dsp ) of 24 audio tracks for a normal 2600 Ghz cpu.
So if you think that I am giving you guys a hard time then sorry I will stop
what I am doing these last months.
thanks to all of you anyway.
Regards,
Dimitrios
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"i will buy Dimitrios"...dude...that's slavery...even in a non pc
>correct society.
>
>On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:32:03 -0500, "Brandon"
><brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>i will buy Dimitrios.
>>brandon
>>
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4361ea71$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hello to everyone.
>>> After my last conversation with Adrian -wormhole's author- I have
>>> concluded
>>> that wormhole is not selling well ( where are we guys ?) so maybe major
>>> updates
>>> will get longer to support as he has to concentrate his efforts to
>>> "selling"
>>> appz.
>>> I wonder how we Parisians expect plugin authors like Adrian to support
>>> plugins
>>> like wormhole which are a godsend for Paris with tremendous present and
>>> future
>>> possibilities... (he is thinking of making wormhole lighter so to have
>>> even
>>> more instances).
>>> I don't see us people here supporting wormhole and that makes me sad
and
>>> maybe all my efforts toward this direction will fail somehow.
>>> If we don't buy it how can we ask him for this and that ?
>>> Even two or three buys would not justify major -Paris oriented- updates
>>> with
>>> wormhole...
>>> Please sign here if you care for using wormhole even as two channel cross
>>> bridge beetween two computers (NOTE IT CAN BE USED ON SAME COMPUTER WITH
>>> DIFFERENT APPZ TOO).
>>> If we sign enouph people here (enouph depends I would say 10 and over
I
>>> will
>>> kindly ask for a small discount for mass purchase.
>>> Please try wormhole and see for yourself how great this plugin is.
>>> We need Adrian (convince him make appz suited to Paris) and we certainly
>>> need wormhole.
>>> It will keep Paris alive for things to come no matter where audio
>>> technology
>>> will go.
>>> You will always have Paris thus connected with modern pc's doing what
it
>>> is known to do best, sounding good when summing...
>>> Please forgive me if I am being so pushy with this but noone else except
>>> for Adrian (till now) has showed so much interest to help us ,Paris
>>> users.
>>> I wanna convince him make an automatic LATENCY compensator for VST plugins
>>> which I think would be great if succeeded.
>>> Believe me if only two-three Paris users will sign this I will be having
>>> no guts to ask him that or anything else.
>>> This plugin sells for 49 $ only...
>>> Please respond with signing also.
>>> With regards,
>>> Dimitrios
>>
>Hey Dimitrios,
I think he was joking, it was a pun at Brandon's wording of "I will buy Dimitrios"
Meaning he will purchase you, Dimitrios, with cash money, not anything to do with wormhole..
Cheers,
TC
Dimitrios wrote:
> Dear Rick,
> I am really dissapointed in your post.
> If you don't care buying thats ok but saying that it is slavery to buy something
> that is so innovative for Paris and not only and considering the som many
> hours spent to make things smooth for Paris and wormhole as much as possible
> without me being involved at all in the sales of this plugin that really
> makes me feel sad.
> I was hoping that you at least would appreciatte all the efoorts here and
> that wouild be supporting those nice and cheap plugins that help Paris .
> I see people here payinmg 250 $ for a single adat card so for 3 adat cards
> 750 $.
> plus a Mec 150$ almost a 1000 $ to just have 24 adat 20 bit tracks from one
> PC to another.
> Now a simple plugin lets you have 24 bit (or 32bit floating until you use
> Paris dsp ) of 24 audio tracks for a normal 2600 Ghz cpu.
> So if you think that I am giving you guys a hard time then sorry I will stop
> what I am doing these last months.
> thanks to all of you anyway.
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"i will buy Dimitrios"...dude...that's slavery...even in a non pc
>>correct society.
>>
>>On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:32:03 -0500, "Brandon"
>><brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>i will buy Dimitrios.
>>>brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <Report message to a moderator
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