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| Re: Why??? [message #83579 is a reply to message #83576] |
Mon, 23 April 2007 09:32   |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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It is Cubase 4 and Nuendo 3.x only. It is very cool, but as DJ noted,
you need to run low latency if you use it for monitor mixes to talent (you
can
create/assign as many submixes as you have I/O to feed).
I use it for control room monitor switching/folddown, dim, mute, etc - all a
key
command away, but the biggest advantage is having control over your
monitoring without
touching the mix buss level (e.g. dim/mute when the phone rings a let a
realtime
bounce keep running). Nothing you can't do with hardware, but it's
convenient to
have it all there in Cubase/Nuendo.
Dedric
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:462cd7d5$1@linux...
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> Is "control room" a Cubase4 feature? If it's on anything earlier
> than that, I sure don't know about it (hence it's something I
> never even used! Am I missing out on something cool?).
>
> Neil
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>You finally have a reliable system that can do everything you
>>need it to<
>>
>>I need it to be able to track 20 live mics while monitoring 20 recorded
>
>>tracks that are in variousl stages of processing so that I can use the
>>control room function without ASIO direct monitoring. I may be harrassing
>
>>you by phone about the control room later this week. I'm gonna' dig a
>>little
>
>>deeper into the optomizations and see if I can free up a few more CPU
>>cycles
>
>>here and there.
>>
>>As for Vista, it won't be my OS of chiice for a while, I'm sure. I just
> need
>>something to abuse.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <IOOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:462cb06f$1@linux...
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>>> I don't understand why you would want to bother with this.
>>> What's the advantage?
>>> You finally have a reliable system that can do everything you
>>> need it to, there's no DAW software out there yet that's
>>> been "Vista-optimized", no drivers for your hardware interfaces
>>> that happen to be Vista-only, and there's been no reports thus
>>> far about (insert favorite DAW app here) delivering a
>>> heretofore unheard-of 3-D holographic audio experience if you
>>> run it on Vista... so what is this going to accomplish from a
>>> workflow or auditory standpoint?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think I'm going to dig into vista pretty soon.
>>
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| Re: Somebody's gotta' do it [message #83584 is a reply to message #83568] |
Mon, 23 April 2007 11:51 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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OK, just because you've been talking about this, I did _not_ immediately rip
vista off of one of the Dells we got. We, of course, have a site license
for XP but aren't a big enough client to get Dell to quit charging us for
pre-installed operating systems.
Maybe it's tweakable, maybe it can be made to behave, but James, you grossly
insult your preferred operating system by saying Vista is a copy of OS X.
OS X, for all its irritating, bubble bedecked eye candy dancing window nonsense
is actually a pretty decent operating system. Vista takes all of that irritating
goopy eye candy and somehow manages to graft that ineffable 'WE'RE MICROSOFT,
THE COMPANY THAT STRIVES FOR THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR--IN EVERYTHING
WE DO!' scream onto it. It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what I'm going
to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I think I'm going to dig into vista pretty soon. I've been to the the
>extremities of usenet geekdom over the weekend, you wouldn't believe some
of
>the stuff out there....at least I didn't............. and I have learned
a
>few interesting things.........one of which is that it's possible ot wreak
>havoc on Vista, rip huge chunks of bloat out of it. and optimize it for
>audio.......just my cuppa' ;o)
>
>At the same time I may be building another computer that will be either
>based on an AMD Socket F (Tyan S2915 with a pair of Santa Rosa Opterons)
or
>a dual socket Xeon, though I haven't completely ruled out a single socket
>Opteron Quad. there are a few things I'm waiting to get answers to. First
on
>is whether or not the Tyan S2915 will be Barcelona compatible. The bigger
>issue is whether any of these systems, as they exist today, running win
>XP32, will give me the capability work at 664-128k buffers without ASIO
>direct monitoring while tracking up to 20 live sources and monitoring 20
>more with a fair number of plugins being monitored on the recorded tracks
>being monitored....... basically allowing me to overdub while building a
mix
>and using the Cubase Control room function which currently doesn't work
with
>ADM.
>
>At the same time I will go ahead and spring for the SBS 64bit expansion
>chassis to be able to interface all of my PCI cards with the new mobo
>architecture at 64 bit. All of my audio hardware except for my Houston
>controller has 64 bit drivers available and the Houston can be interfaced
in
>HUI mode via midi.
>
>I know it's not ready for prime time so I'll have Vista running in a
>removable drive caddy and will have another audio drive running Win XP for
>my routine DAW duties until I get Vista tweaked into submission.
>
>Probably about 30 days away barring some financial catastrophe.
>
>I need pain.............and I know exactly where to get it.............
>
>;o)
>
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| Re: Somebody's gotta' do it [message #83586 is a reply to message #83584] |
Mon, 23 April 2007 11:59 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to grope it's nether regions.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462d0017$1@linux...
>
> OK, just because you've been talking about this, I did _not_ immediately
> rip
> vista off of one of the Dells we got. We, of course, have a site license
> for XP but aren't a big enough client to get Dell to quit charging us for
> pre-installed operating systems.
>
> Maybe it's tweakable, maybe it can be made to behave, but James, you
> grossly
> insult your preferred operating system by saying Vista is a copy of OS X.
> OS X, for all its irritating, bubble bedecked eye candy dancing window
> nonsense
> is actually a pretty decent operating system. Vista takes all of that
> irritating
> goopy eye candy and somehow manages to graft that ineffable 'WE'RE
> MICROSOFT,
> THE COMPANY THAT STRIVES FOR THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR--IN EVERYTHING
> WE DO!' scream onto it. It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what I'm
> going
> to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
>
Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to start deconstructing it.
;o)
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| Re: Somebody's gotta' do it [message #83593 is a reply to message #83586] |
Mon, 23 April 2007 14:06 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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Deej, after spending four hours with Vista (I couldn't pry it off easily,
not even with linux, grrrr) it makes Windows ME look like effin FreeBSD 6.2.
It's worse than the first version of OS X and worse the 7.5.2. It's way,
way worse than the first Fedora Core release. It's a complete and total disaster.
I feel bad letting my friend have the damn thing but I can't find drivers
for the RAID controller. The fact that Feisty (easiest to install linux distro
ever, and the installer will include Win32 codecs and configure your proprietary
video card drivers = porn on linux out of the box) is coming out at the same
time as this pile of shit might really be a watershed moment for the linux
desktop.
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39087
I don't agree with all of that but it ain't too far off. For the love of
Odin stay away from this Deej
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to grope it's nether regions.
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462d0017$1@linux...
>>
>> OK, just because you've been talking about this, I did _not_ immediately
>> rip
>> vista off of one of the Dells we got. We, of course, have a site license
>> for XP but aren't a big enough client to get Dell to quit charging us
for
>> pre-installed operating systems.
>>
>> Maybe it's tweakable, maybe it can be made to behave, but James, you
>> grossly
>> insult your preferred operating system by saying Vista is a copy of OS
X.
>> OS X, for all its irritating, bubble bedecked eye candy dancing window
>> nonsense
>> is actually a pretty decent operating system. Vista takes all of that
>> irritating
>> goopy eye candy and somehow manages to graft that ineffable 'WE'RE
>> MICROSOFT,
>> THE COMPANY THAT STRIVES FOR THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR--IN EVERYTHING
>> WE DO!' scream onto it. It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what I'm
>> going
>> to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
>>
>
>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to start deconstructing it.
>
>;o)
>
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| Re: Somebody's gotta' do it [message #83599 is a reply to message #83593] |
Mon, 23 April 2007 15:19 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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Just wait til you try to send pop mail through an older router. Tim
Conway could do a cross country jog faster!!!
:-)
(Don't worry, there's a fix but annoying OTB and as of a month ago not
acknowledged by Microsoft).
Hoov
TCB wrote:
> Deej, after spending four hours with Vista (I couldn't pry it off easily,
> not even with linux, grrrr) it makes Windows ME look like effin FreeBSD 6.2.
> It's worse than the first version of OS X and worse the 7.5.2. It's way,
> way worse than the first Fedora Core release. It's a complete and total disaster.
> I feel bad letting my friend have the damn thing but I can't find drivers
> for the RAID controller. The fact that Feisty (easiest to install linux distro
> ever, and the installer will include Win32 codecs and configure your proprietary
> video card drivers = porn on linux out of the box) is coming out at the same
> time as this pile of shit might really be a watershed moment for the linux
> desktop.
>
> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39087
>
> I don't agree with all of that but it ain't too far off. For the love of
> Odin stay away from this Deej
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to grope it's nether regions.
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462d0017$1@linux...
>>
>>>OK, just because you've been talking about this, I did _not_ immediately
>
>
>>>rip
>>>vista off of one of the Dells we got. We, of course, have a site license
>>>for XP but aren't a big enough client to get Dell to quit charging us
>
> for
>
>>>pre-installed operating systems.
>>>
>>>Maybe it's tweakable, maybe it can be made to behave, but James, you
>>>grossly
>>>insult your preferred operating system by saying Vista is a copy of OS
>
> X.
>
>>>OS X, for all its irritating, bubble bedecked eye candy dancing window
>
>
>>>nonsense
>>>is actually a pretty decent operating system. Vista takes all of that
>
>
>>>irritating
>>>goopy eye candy and somehow manages to graft that ineffable 'WE'RE
>>>MICROSOFT,
>>>THE COMPANY THAT STRIVES FOR THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR--IN EVERYTHING
>>>WE DO!' scream onto it. It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what I'm
>
>
>>>going
>>>to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
>>>
>>
>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to start deconstructing it.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Somebody's gotta' do it [message #83600 is a reply to message #83584] |
Mon, 23 April 2007 15:41 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what I'm going
> to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
TweakUI it no doubt. The ole' rip 'n' strip.
AA
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462d0017$1@linux...
>
> OK, just because you've been talking about this, I did _not_ immediately
> rip
> vista off of one of the Dells we got. We, of course, have a site license
> for XP but aren't a big enough client to get Dell to quit charging us for
> pre-installed operating systems.
>
> Maybe it's tweakable, maybe it can be made to behave, but James, you
> grossly
> insult your preferred operating system by saying Vista is a copy of OS X.
> OS X, for all its irritating, bubble bedecked eye candy dancing window
> nonsense
> is actually a pretty decent operating system. Vista takes all of that
> irritating
> goopy eye candy and somehow manages to graft that ineffable 'WE'RE
> MICROSOFT,
> THE COMPANY THAT STRIVES FOR THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR--IN EVERYTHING
> WE DO!' scream onto it. It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what I'm
> going
> to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I think I'm going to dig into vista pretty soon. I've been to the the
>>extremities of usenet geekdom over the weekend, you wouldn't believe some
> of
>>the stuff out there....at least I didn't............. and I have learned
> a
>>few interesting things.........one of which is that it's possible ot wreak
>
>>havoc on Vista, rip huge chunks of bloat out of it. and optimize it for
>
>>audio.......just my cuppa' ;o)
>>
>>At the same time I may be building another computer that will be either
>
>>based on an AMD Socket F (Tyan S2915 with a pair of Santa Rosa Opterons)
> or
>>a dual socket Xeon, though I haven't completely ruled out a single socket
>
>>Opteron Quad. there are a few things I'm waiting to get answers to. First
> on
>>is whether or not the Tyan S2915 will be Barcelona compatible. The bigger
>
>>issue is whether any of these systems, as they exist today, running win
>
>>XP32, will give me the capability work at 664-128k buffers without ASIO
>
>>direct monitoring while tracking up to 20 live sources and monitoring 20
>
>>more with a fair number of plugins being monitored on the recorded tracks
>
>>being monitored....... basically allowing me to overdub while building a
> mix
>>and using the Cubase Control room function which currently doesn't work
> with
>>ADM.
>>
>>At the same time I will go ahead and spring for the SBS 64bit expansion
>
>>chassis to be able to interface all of my PCI cards with the new mobo
>>architecture at 64 bit. All of my audio hardware except for my Houston
>
>>controller has 64 bit drivers available and the Houston can be interfaced
> in
>>HUI mode via midi.
>>
>>I know it's not ready for prime time so I'll have Vista running in a
>>removable drive caddy and will have another audio drive running Win XP for
>
>>my routine DAW duties until I get Vista tweaked into submission.
>>
>>Probably about 30 days away barring some financial catastrophe.
>>
>>I need pain.............and I know exactly where to get it.............
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Somebody's gotta' do it [message #83616 is a reply to message #83600] |
Mon, 23 April 2007 21:30 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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I don't think it will be that easy this time 'round.
Please, please, Ableton on linux . . .
TCB
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what I'm going
>> to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
>
>
>TweakUI it no doubt. The ole' rip 'n' strip.
>AA
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462d0017$1@linux...
>>
>> OK, just because you've been talking about this, I did _not_ immediately
>> rip
>> vista off of one of the Dells we got. We, of course, have a site license
>> for XP but aren't a big enough client to get Dell to quit charging us
for
>> pre-installed operating systems.
>>
>> Maybe it's tweakable, maybe it can be made to behave, but James, you
>> grossly
>> insult your preferred operating system by saying Vista is a copy of OS
X.
>> OS X, for all its irritating, bubble bedecked eye candy dancing window
>> nonsense
>> is actually a pretty decent operating system. Vista takes all of that
>> irritating
>> goopy eye candy and somehow manages to graft that ineffable 'WE'RE
>> MICROSOFT,
>> THE COMPANY THAT STRIVES FOR THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR--IN EVERYTHING
>> WE DO!' scream onto it. It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what I'm
>> going
>> to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>I think I'm going to dig into vista pretty soon. I've been to the the
>>>extremities of usenet geekdom over the weekend, you wouldn't believe some
>> of
>>>the stuff out there....at least I didn't............. and I have learned
>> a
>>>few interesting things.........one of which is that it's possible ot wreak
>>
>>>havoc on Vista, rip huge chunks of bloat out of it. and optimize it for
>>
>>>audio.......just my cuppa' ;o)
>>>
>>>At the same time I may be building another computer that will be either
>>
>>>based on an AMD Socket F (Tyan S2915 with a pair of Santa Rosa Opterons)
>> or
>>>a dual socket Xeon, though I haven't completely ruled out a single socket
>>
>>>Opteron Quad. there are a few things I'm waiting to get answers to. First
>> on
>>>is whether or not the Tyan S2915 will be Barcelona compatible. The bigger
>>
>>>issue is whether any of these systems, as they exist today, running win
>>
>>>XP32, will give me the capability work at 664-128k buffers without ASIO
>>
>>>direct monitoring while tracking up to 20 live sources and monitoring
20
>>
>>>more with a fair number of plugins being monitored on the recorded tracks
>>
>>>being monitored....... basically allowing me to overdub while building
a
>> mix
>>>and using the Cubase Control room function which currently doesn't work
>> with
>>>ADM.
>>>
>>>At the same time I will go ahead and spring for the SBS 64bit expansion
>>
>>>chassis to be able to interface all of my PCI cards with the new mobo
>>>architecture at 64 bit. All of my audio hardware except for my Houston
>>
>>>controller has 64 bit drivers available and the Houston can be interfaced
>> in
>>>HUI mode via midi.
>>>
>>>I know it's not ready for prime time so I'll have Vista running in a
>>>removable drive caddy and will have another audio drive running Win XP
for
>>
>>>my routine DAW duties until I get Vista tweaked into submission.
>>>
>>>Probably about 30 days away barring some financial catastrophe.
>>>
>>>I need pain.............and I know exactly where to get it.............
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Somebody's gotta' do it [message #83621 is a reply to message #83593] |
Tue, 24 April 2007 01:08 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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If buying Vista, we'll be betatesters for Microsoft the coming 5 years,
'till they're again coming with a new system. Just look at XP, there's yet
oceans of updates coming after so many years.
Erling
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> skrev i melding news:462d1fca$1@linux...
>
> Deej, after spending four hours with Vista (I couldn't pry it off easily,
> not even with linux, grrrr) it makes Windows ME look like effin FreeBSD
> 6.2.
> It's worse than the first version of OS X and worse the 7.5.2. It's way,
> way worse than the first Fedora Core release. It's a complete and total
> disaster.
> I feel bad letting my friend have the damn thing but I can't find drivers
> for the RAID controller. The fact that Feisty (easiest to install linux
> distro
> ever, and the installer will include Win32 codecs and configure your
> proprietary
> video card drivers = porn on linux out of the box) is coming out at the
> same
> time as this pile of shit might really be a watershed moment for the linux
> desktop.
>
> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39087
>
> I don't agree with all of that but it ain't too far off. For the love of
> Odin stay away from this Deej
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to grope it's nether regions.
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462d0017$1@linux...
>>>
>>> OK, just because you've been talking about this, I did _not_ immediately
>
>>> rip
>>> vista off of one of the Dells we got. We, of course, have a site license
>>> for XP but aren't a big enough client to get Dell to quit charging us
> for
>>> pre-installed operating systems.
>>>
>>> Maybe it's tweakable, maybe it can be made to behave, but James, you
>>> grossly
>>> insult your preferred operating system by saying Vista is a copy of OS
> X.
>>> OS X, for all its irritating, bubble bedecked eye candy dancing window
>
>>> nonsense
>>> is actually a pretty decent operating system. Vista takes all of that
>
>>> irritating
>>> goopy eye candy and somehow manages to graft that ineffable 'WE'RE
>>> MICROSOFT,
>>> THE COMPANY THAT STRIVES FOR THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR--IN EVERYTHING
>>> WE DO!' scream onto it. It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what I'm
>
>>> going
>>> to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
>>>
>>
>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to start deconstructing it.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Somebody's gotta' do it [message #83622 is a reply to message #83621] |
Tue, 24 April 2007 01:28 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Yes, it's just getting better and better isn't it?
;oD
"erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote in message news:462dbbdd@linux...
> If buying Vista, we'll be betatesters for Microsoft the coming 5 years,
> 'till they're again coming with a new system. Just look at XP, there's yet
> oceans of updates coming after so many years.
>
> Erling
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> skrev i melding news:462d1fca$1@linux...
>>
>> Deej, after spending four hours with Vista (I couldn't pry it off easily,
>> not even with linux, grrrr) it makes Windows ME look like effin FreeBSD
>> 6.2.
>> It's worse than the first version of OS X and worse the 7.5.2. It's way,
>> way worse than the first Fedora Core release. It's a complete and total
>> disaster.
>> I feel bad letting my friend have the damn thing but I can't find drivers
>> for the RAID controller. The fact that Feisty (easiest to install linux
>> distro
>> ever, and the installer will include Win32 codecs and configure your
>> proprietary
>> video card drivers = porn on linux out of the box) is coming out at the
>> same
>> time as this pile of shit might really be a watershed moment for the
>> linux
>> desktop.
>>
>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39087
>>
>> I don't agree with all of that but it ain't too far off. For the love of
>> Odin stay away from this Deej
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to grope it's nether regions.
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462d0017$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> OK, just because you've been talking about this, I did _not_
>>>> immediately
>>
>>>> rip
>>>> vista off of one of the Dells we got. We, of course, have a site
>>>> license
>>>> for XP but aren't a big enough client to get Dell to quit charging us
>> for
>>>> pre-installed operating systems.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's tweakable, maybe it can be made to behave, but James, you
>>>> grossly
>>>> insult your preferred operating system by saying Vista is a copy of OS
>> X.
>>>> OS X, for all its irritating, bubble bedecked eye candy dancing window
>>
>>>> nonsense
>>>> is actually a pretty decent operating system. Vista takes all of that
>>
>>>> irritating
>>>> goopy eye candy and somehow manages to graft that ineffable 'WE'RE
>>>> MICROSOFT,
>>>> THE COMPANY THAT STRIVES FOR THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR--IN
>>>> EVERYTHING
>>>> WE DO!' scream onto it. It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what I'm
>>
>>>> going
>>>> to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to start deconstructing it.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Somebody's gotta' do it [message #83628 is a reply to message #83622] |
Tue, 24 April 2007 06:20 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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It's interesting how bloated XP can be if you don't trim it
back a bit, as in what we do to maximize audio performance.
For example, my DAW rig boots up in just a few seconds; my home
PC, however (which is the one I use for e-mail, web surfing,
etc.), I just let windows do it's thing - no performance
tweaks - and yes this one has anti-viral apps, too, so that
probably makes a difference, but several minutes after I switch
it on, you can still hear the hard drive twiddling away,
loading stuff... I can open Outlook & go through a several
e-mails before I see a prompt that says my anti-virus has
updated sucessfully, etc, etc. It's not a slow PC, really, but
as I've gone ahead & accepted every update, loaded Internet
ExplorerV7, and so on, it's progressively gotten slower, and
slower.
Feels like a 386 now lol
Neil
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Yes, it's just getting better and better isn't it?
>
>;oD
>
>"erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote in message news:462dbbdd@linux...
>> If buying Vista, we'll be betatesters for Microsoft the coming 5 years,
>> 'till they're again coming with a new system. Just look at XP, there's
yet
>> oceans of updates coming after so many years.
>>
>> Erling
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> skrev i melding news:462d1fca$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Deej, after spending four hours with Vista (I couldn't pry it off easily,
>>> not even with linux, grrrr) it makes Windows ME look like effin FreeBSD
>>> 6.2.
>>> It's worse than the first version of OS X and worse the 7.5.2. It's way,
>>> way worse than the first Fedora Core release. It's a complete and total
>>> disaster.
>>> I feel bad letting my friend have the damn thing but I can't find drivers
>>> for the RAID controller. The fact that Feisty (easiest to install linux
>>> distro
>>> ever, and the installer will include Win32 codecs and configure your
>>> proprietary
>>> video card drivers = porn on linux out of the box) is coming out at the
>>> same
>>> time as this pile of shit might really be a watershed moment for the
>>> linux
>>> desktop.
>>>
>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39087
>>>
>>> I don't agree with all of that but it ain't too far off. For the love
of
>>> Odin stay away from this Deej
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to grope it's nether regions.
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462d0017$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, just because you've been talking about this, I did _not_
>>>>> immediately
>>>
>>>>> rip
>>>>> vista off of one of the Dells we got. We, of course, have a site
>>>>> license
>>>>> for XP but aren't a big enough client to get Dell to quit charging
us
>>> for
>>>>> pre-installed operating systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it's tweakable, maybe it can be made to behave, but James, you
>>>>> grossly
>>>>> insult your preferred operating system by saying Vista is a copy of
OS
>>> X.
>>>>> OS X, for all its irritating, bubble bedecked eye candy dancing window
>>>
>>>>> nonsense
>>>>> is actually a pretty decent operating system. Vista takes all of that
>>>
>>>>> irritating
>>>>> goopy eye candy and somehow manages to graft that ineffable 'WE'RE
>>>>> MICROSOFT,
>>>>> THE COMPANY THAT STRIVES FOR THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR--IN
>>>>> EVERYTHING
>>>>> WE DO!' scream onto it. It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what
I'm
>>>
>>>>> going
>>>>> to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to start deconstructing it.
>>>>
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Somebody's gotta' do it [message #83631 is a reply to message #83621] |
Tue, 24 April 2007 06:40 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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There's always a tradeoff between getting the newest cool toys and stability.
Any brand new operating system will have bugs, just like any new application
will. I want to be running at least 2.6.18 on my linux laptop, that means
running (at least) Debian 'testing.' Now then, Debian is elephantine in the
way it updates, so 'testing' is probably more bug free than Fedora Core 'stable.'
But I make that trade.
XP has been solid since about two months after SP 2. The two things M$oft
really did do right recently are XP and .NET. They aren't pretty, and nobody
thinks they're cool, but they work and they're stable. The fact they're still
issuing security updates just means that everyone on the planet is trying
to compromise XP because it's ubiquitous, not buggy.
The problem with Vista isn't that it's buggy, it's that its just bad. Stupid.
Ill conceived, poorly executed, with a surprisingly steep learning curve
even for a battle hardened professional like me. It's almost everything bad
about other OSs/GUIs + none of the good things about XP. It's really that
awful. Honest, cross my heart.
TCB
"erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote:
>If buying Vista, we'll be betatesters for Microsoft the coming 5 years,
>'till they're again coming with a new system. Just look at XP, there's yet
>oceans of updates coming after so many years.
>
>Erling
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> skrev i melding news:462d1fca$1@linux...
>>
>> Deej, after spending four hours with Vista (I couldn't pry it off easily,
>> not even with linux, grrrr) it makes Windows ME look like effin FreeBSD
>> 6.2.
>> It's worse than the first version of OS X and worse the 7.5.2. It's way,
>> way worse than the first Fedora Core release. It's a complete and total
>> disaster.
>> I feel bad letting my friend have the damn thing but I can't find drivers
>> for the RAID controller. The fact that Feisty (easiest to install linux
>> distro
>> ever, and the installer will include Win32 codecs and configure your
>> proprietary
>> video card drivers = porn on linux out of the box) is coming out at the
>> same
>> time as this pile of shit might really be a watershed moment for the linux
>> desktop.
>>
>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39087
>>
>> I don't agree with all of that but it ain't too far off. For the love
of
>> Odin stay away from this Deej
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to grope it's nether regions.
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462d0017$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> OK, just because you've been talking about this, I did _not_ immediately
>>
>>>> rip
>>>> vista off of one of the Dells we got. We, of course, have a site license
>>>> for XP but aren't a big enough client to get Dell to quit charging us
>> for
>>>> pre-installed operating systems.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's tweakable, maybe it can be made to behave, but James, you
>>>> grossly
>>>> insult your preferred operating system by saying Vista is a copy of
OS
>> X.
>>>> OS X, for all its irritating, bubble bedecked eye candy dancing window
>>
>>>> nonsense
>>>> is actually a pretty decent operating system. Vista takes all of that
>>
>>>> irritating
>>>> goopy eye candy and somehow manages to graft that ineffable 'WE'RE
>>>> MICROSOFT,
>>>> THE COMPANY THAT STRIVES FOR THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR--IN EVERYTHING
>>>> WE DO!' scream onto it. It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what
I'm
>>
>>>> going
>>>> to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to start deconstructing it.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Somebody's gotta' do it [message #83635 is a reply to message #83631] |
Tue, 24 April 2007 07:40 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
|
Senior Member |
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For me, when there's still updates after about 5 years, there's still
problems with something,
whatever we call it;-)
erlilo
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> skrev i melding news:462e08d0$1@linux...
>
> There's always a tradeoff between getting the newest cool toys and
> stability.
> Any brand new operating system will have bugs, just like any new
> application
> will. I want to be running at least 2.6.18 on my linux laptop, that means
> running (at least) Debian 'testing.' Now then, Debian is elephantine in
> the
> way it updates, so 'testing' is probably more bug free than Fedora Core
> 'stable.'
> But I make that trade.
>
> XP has been solid since about two months after SP 2. The two things M$oft
> really did do right recently are XP and .NET. They aren't pretty, and
> nobody
> thinks they're cool, but they work and they're stable. The fact they're
> still
> issuing security updates just means that everyone on the planet is trying
> to compromise XP because it's ubiquitous, not buggy.
>
> The problem with Vista isn't that it's buggy, it's that its just bad.
> Stupid.
> Ill conceived, poorly executed, with a surprisingly steep learning curve
> even for a battle hardened professional like me. It's almost everything
> bad
> about other OSs/GUIs + none of the good things about XP. It's really that
> awful. Honest, cross my heart.
>
> TCB
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote:
>>If buying Vista, we'll be betatesters for Microsoft the coming 5 years,
>
>>'till they're again coming with a new system. Just look at XP, there's yet
>
>>oceans of updates coming after so many years.
>>
>>Erling
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> skrev i melding news:462d1fca$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Deej, after spending four hours with Vista (I couldn't pry it off
>>> easily,
>>> not even with linux, grrrr) it makes Windows ME look like effin FreeBSD
>
>>> 6.2.
>>> It's worse than the first version of OS X and worse the 7.5.2. It's way,
>>> way worse than the first Fedora Core release. It's a complete and total
>
>>> disaster.
>>> I feel bad letting my friend have the damn thing but I can't find
>>> drivers
>>> for the RAID controller. The fact that Feisty (easiest to install linux
>
>>> distro
>>> ever, and the installer will include Win32 codecs and configure your
>>> proprietary
>>> video card drivers = porn on linux out of the box) is coming out at the
>
>>> same
>>> time as this pile of shit might really be a watershed moment for the
>>> linux
>>> desktop.
>>>
>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39087
>>>
>>> I don't agree with all of that but it ain't too far off. For the love
> of
>>> Odin stay away from this Deej
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to grope it's nether regions.
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462d0017$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, just because you've been talking about this, I did _not_
>>>>> immediately
>>>
>>>>> rip
>>>>> vista off of one of the Dells we got. We, of course, have a site
>>>>> license
>>>>> for XP but aren't a big enough client to get Dell to quit charging us
>>> for
>>>>> pre-installed operating systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it's tweakable, maybe it can be made to behave, but James, you
>>>>> grossly
>>>>> insult your preferred operating system by saying Vista is a copy of
> OS
>>> X.
>>>>> OS X, for all its irritating, bubble bedecked eye candy dancing window
>>>
>>>>> nonsense
>>>>> is actually a pretty decent operating system. Vista takes all of that
>>>
>>>>> irritating
>>>>> goopy eye candy and somehow manages to graft that ineffable 'WE'RE
>>>>> MICROSOFT,
>>>>> THE COMPANY THAT STRIVES FOR THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR--IN
>>>>> EVERYTHING
>>>>> WE DO!' scream onto it. It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what
> I'm
>>>
>>>>> going
>>>>> to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to start deconstructing it.
>>>>
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Somebody's gotta' do it [message #83646 is a reply to message #83631] |
Tue, 24 April 2007 09:39 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
|
Senior Member |
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Are the problems you've found with Vista just on a user experience level, or
from a
developer's point of view (or both)? I'm just curious, not disagreeing.
The times I've played with it, I liked the GUI better than the semi-archaic
XP approach, or eye candy
of OSX - there are things in that area I think Vista does better and with
more appeal than OSX.
But, there is a difference between playing around with it and putting it
into daily use.
Some aspects of accessing system configs is certainly different from XP, but
I found it at least a little more logical
than XP (not that the flow and logic of XP's layout is that hard to improve
upon. And imho, OSX also has some
really annoying aspects as well, so nothing is really blowing me away at the
moment). Vista's Aero also runs native
on the graphics card now doesn't it? That's an improvement from what I'm
hearing from Vista users in the audio
world. However, it does seem like legacy support is the design guide for
Microsoft rather than innovation and efficiency.
If Apple really wanted to capitalize on Vista's poor showing, they would
release OSX standalone, but they won't.
Perhaps now is linux's time to make a dent in both markets. Time will tell
I guess.
Dedric
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462e08d0$1@linux...
>
> There's always a tradeoff between getting the newest cool toys and
> stability.
> Any brand new operating system will have bugs, just like any new
> application
> will. I want to be running at least 2.6.18 on my linux laptop, that means
> running (at least) Debian 'testing.' Now then, Debian is elephantine in
> the
> way it updates, so 'testing' is probably more bug free than Fedora Core
> 'stable.'
> But I make that trade.
>
> XP has been solid since about two months after SP 2. The two things M$oft
> really did do right recently are XP and .NET. They aren't pretty, and
> nobody
> thinks they're cool, but they work and they're stable. The fact they're
> still
> issuing security updates just means that everyone on the planet is trying
> to compromise XP because it's ubiquitous, not buggy.
>
> The problem with Vista isn't that it's buggy, it's that its just bad.
> Stupid.
> Ill conceived, poorly executed, with a surprisingly steep learning curve
> even for a battle hardened professional like me. It's almost everything
> bad
> about other OSs/GUIs + none of the good things about XP. It's really that
> awful. Honest, cross my heart.
>
> TCB
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote:
>>If buying Vista, we'll be betatesters for Microsoft the coming 5 years,
>
>>'till they're again coming with a new system. Just look at XP, there's yet
>
>>oceans of updates coming after so many years.
>>
>>Erling
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> skrev i melding news:462d1fca$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Deej, after spending four hours with Vista (I couldn't pry it off
>>> easily,
>>> not even with linux, grrrr) it makes Windows ME look like effin FreeBSD
>
>>> 6.2.
>>> It's worse than the first version of OS X and worse the 7.5.2. It's way,
>>> way worse than the first Fedora Core release. It's a complete and total
>
>>> disaster.
>>> I feel bad letting my friend have the damn thing but I can't find
>>> drivers
>>> for the RAID controller. The fact that Feisty (easiest to install linux
>
>>> distro
>>> ever, and the installer will include Win32 codecs and configure your
>>> proprietary
>>> video card drivers = porn on linux out of the box) is coming out at the
>
>>> same
>>> time as this pile of shit might really be a watershed moment for the
>>> linux
>>> desktop.
>>>
>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39087
>>>
>>> I don't agree with all of that but it ain't too far off. For the love
> of
>>> Odin stay away from this Deej
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to grope it's nether regions.
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:462d0017$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, just because you've been talking about this, I did _not_
>>>>> immediately
>>>
>>>>> rip
>>>>> vista off of one of the Dells we got. We, of course, have a site
>>>>> license
>>>>> for XP but aren't a big enough client to get Dell to quit charging us
>>> for
>>>>> pre-installed operating systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it's tweakable, maybe it can be made to behave, but James, you
>>>>> grossly
>>>>> insult your preferred operating system by saying Vista is a copy of
> OS
>>> X.
>>>>> OS X, for all its irritating, bubble bedecked eye candy dancing window
>>>
>>>>> nonsense
>>>>> is actually a pretty decent operating system. Vista takes all of that
>>>
>>>>> irritating
>>>>> goopy eye candy and somehow manages to graft that ineffable 'WE'RE
>>>>> MICROSOFT,
>>>>> THE COMPANY THAT STRIVES FOR THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR--IN
>>>>> EVERYTHING
>>>>> WE DO!' scream onto it. It's hideous, nauseating. I don't know what
> I'm
>>>
>>>>> going
>>>>> to do when I'm inevitably forced to deal with it as my audio platform.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hehehe!!!!!!!............I can't wait to start deconstructing it.
>>>>
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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