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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82256 is a reply to message #82249] |
Wed, 28 March 2007 23:15   |
excelav
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"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>James,
>
>Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a two button
>(or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last time I was
at
>the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>
>
About a hundred years ago; ) And they even have contextual menus.
The newer Apple mighty mouse doesn't look like it has multi buttons, but
it works like it does, and it has a trackball/scroll ball on top. Give it
a try next time you get a chance. I've been using a Kensinton Expert mouse
pro (Track Ball), a Macally optical track ball, a top of the line Microsoft
wireless optical mouse, and many others. As long as it's USB it will work,
scroll wheels the works. Some times special function buttons won't work
with out it's unique special driver. most any thing you plugin will work
though. Your Windows PC keyboards will work also.
Fyi, even back in the ADB (serial) port days multi button mice worked. Apple
was funny about keeping the simplicity with a one button mouse for beginners.
There are a lot of products Apple doesn't make because they want to keep
encouraging third parties to keep developing for the Mac. So they let them
go and don't step on their toes.
Not eve Mac user could figure out why Apple hung on sooooooooo long to the
one button!
James
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
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>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82257 is a reply to message #82256] |
Wed, 28 March 2007 23:18 |
Deej [4]
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OK then,
thanks,
Deej
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:460b5989$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>James,
>>
>>Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a two
>>button
>
>>(or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last time I was
> at
>>the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>
> About a hundred years ago; ) And they even have contextual menus.
>
> The newer Apple mighty mouse doesn't look like it has multi buttons, but
> it works like it does, and it has a trackball/scroll ball on top. Give it
> a try next time you get a chance. I've been using a Kensinton Expert
> mouse
> pro (Track Ball), a Macally optical track ball, a top of the line
> Microsoft
> wireless optical mouse, and many others. As long as it's USB it will
> work,
> scroll wheels the works. Some times special function buttons won't work
> with out it's unique special driver. most any thing you plugin will work
> though. Your Windows PC keyboards will work also.
>
> Fyi, even back in the ADB (serial) port days multi button mice worked.
> Apple
> was funny about keeping the simplicity with a one button mouse for
> beginners.
> There are a lot of products Apple doesn't make because they want to keep
> encouraging third parties to keep developing for the Mac. So they let
> them
> go and don't step on their toes.
>
> Not eve Mac user could figure out why Apple hung on sooooooooo long to the
> one button!
>
> James
>
>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>
>>
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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82260 is a reply to message #82254] |
Wed, 28 March 2007 23:40 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>If you introduce components to the Mac that aren't factory installed, does
>this hose your Applecare?
>
>thanks,
>
>Deej
>
Well this is kind of a loaded question. I guess it depends on what exactly
your talking about. If you mean, hard drives, RAM, CD/DVD burners ect.,
no. If your talking about installing a PC version of a video card as an
example, it could void you warranty, but who'd be dumb enough to tell them
what you did??? By the way, there are many Mac guys that have flashed a
PC version of a video, or SCSI card or something, with the mac flash and
it worked.
Example, Steve Cox is using a PC version of a video card in one of his G4s.
We know what your thinking Dr. Frankenstein!
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:460b5645@linux...
>>
>> When I bought my happy dual G5 I bought the extra RAM and HD elsewhere.
>> Saved a few bucks.
>>
>> You may want to wait until April 16th to see what Apple is bringing out
>> for NAB. Might be 8 core time, and a price drop on the quads. Just a
>> guess.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> I was just spec'ing out one of these.Macs on Apple's website with dual
>>> 2.66GHz Xeon coreduo CPU's, two 500G backup HD's and 4G RAM. (how they
>>> can justify charging over $1k for 4 x 1G 667MHZ ECC RAM sticks boggles
>>> the mind)
>>>
>>> Total price from Apple was $4545.00 (without adding Applecare which I
>>> would definitely want to do given some of the experiences I and others
>>> here have had with Macs so we're looking at another $249.00 for a total
>>> of $4794.00).
>>>
>>> I just spec'ed the same basic computer componentry for building a DIY
PC
>>> from Newegg for $2659.90 and this would include Vista Ultimate. That's
a
>>> difference of $2135.00. For less than this $2k difference added to the
PC
>>> you could upgrade to dual quad XEON CPU's, more and faster memory that
>>> would have the PC running circles around the Mac.
>>>
>>> I'm not trying to bash Macs here James (like I usually do ;o) I'm just
>>> trying to see what the justification might be for paying almost twice
the
>>> price for a Mac when I could build a faster PC in about a day..........a
>>> goodly part of which time could be spent doing other things while
>>> formatting all of the drives and loading the OS.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry man. The priviledge of using the MacOS just isn't worth $2k
+
>>> to me so the Mac pricing still doesn't come close to anything I would
>>> want to get involved with..................even if it can run Windows
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:460b4556@linux...
>>>> James,
>>>>
>>>> Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a two
>>>> button (or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last
time
>>>> I was at the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82261 is a reply to message #82258] |
Wed, 28 March 2007 23:56 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Don't ever buy RAM from Apple, it's a rip off. The RAM that goes in them
>was engineered. The Ram has specially designed heat sinks on them, that
why
>they can place as much RAM in them and so close. You can get cheaper RAM
>for them from OWC, crucial and other places. Apple RAM, and LCD monitors
>have always been too expensive!
Apple hard drives are too expensive also! If it's a desk top, and you don't
care about the iDVD software, you can order it with out a DVD burner. Apple
uses Pioneer and some Sony DVD burners. There are sites that tell you which
models they use. Just drop one in later and save a good hundred bucks.
Jamie is right, best to wait a bit, Apple is about to drop new models. Rumor
is, that Apple has a new faster smaller tower in the works. I just hope
they don't do something stupid and limit the PCI slots. Some manufactures
are starting to put card buss on towers, so who knows?
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I was just spec'ing out one of these.Macs on Apple's website with dual
>>2.66GHz Xeon coreduo CPU's, two 500G backup HD's and 4G RAM. (how they
can
>
>>justify charging over $1k for 4 x 1G 667MHZ ECC RAM sticks boggles the
mind)
>>
>>Total price from Apple was $4545.00 (without adding Applecare which I would
>
>>definitely want to do given some of the experiences I and others here have
>
>>had with Macs so we're looking at another $249.00 for a total of $4794.00).
>>
>>I just spec'ed the same basic computer componentry for building a DIY PC
>
>>from Newegg for $2659.90 and this would include Vista Ultimate. That's
a
>
>>difference of $2135.00. For less than this $2k difference added to the
PC
>
>>you could upgrade to dual quad XEON CPU's, more and faster memory that
would
>
>>have the PC running circles around the Mac.
>>
>>I'm not trying to bash Macs here James (like I usually do ;o) I'm just
>>trying to see what the justification might be for paying almost twice the
>
>>price for a Mac when I could build a faster PC in about a day..........a
>
>>goodly part of which time could be spent doing other things while formatting
>
>>all of the drives and loading the OS.
>>
>>I'm sorry man. The priviledge of using the MacOS just isn't worth $2k +
>to
>>me so the Mac pricing still doesn't come close to anything I would want
>to
>>get involved with..................even if it can run Windows
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:460b4556@linux...
>>> James,
>>>
>>> Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a two
>>> button (or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last time
>I
>>> was at the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82262 is a reply to message #82261] |
Thu, 29 March 2007 00:14 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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The reason for using Pioneer or Sony for the DVD player, is because Apple's
multi media software will work with it. You can use other brands of burners
with a Mac, but you would need to get toast or dragon burn or some other
software. Many drives will come with an OEM version of toast or some thing.
I think Apple also used some Toe_shit_ba drives (Toshiba).
James
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Don't ever buy RAM from Apple, it's a rip off. The RAM that goes in them
>>was engineered. The Ram has specially designed heat sinks on them, that
>why
>>they can place as much RAM in them and so close. You can get cheaper RAM
>>for them from OWC, crucial and other places. Apple RAM, and LCD monitors
>>have always been too expensive!
>
>Apple hard drives are too expensive also! If it's a desk top, and you don't
>care about the iDVD software, you can order it with out a DVD burner. Apple
>uses Pioneer and some Sony DVD burners. There are sites that tell you which
>models they use. Just drop one in later and save a good hundred bucks.
>
>Jamie is right, best to wait a bit, Apple is about to drop new models.
Rumor
>is, that Apple has a new faster smaller tower in the works. I just hope
>they don't do something stupid and limit the PCI slots. Some manufactures
>are starting to put card buss on towers, so who knows?
>
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>I was just spec'ing out one of these.Macs on Apple's website with dual
>
>>>2.66GHz Xeon coreduo CPU's, two 500G backup HD's and 4G RAM. (how they
>can
>>
>>>justify charging over $1k for 4 x 1G 667MHZ ECC RAM sticks boggles the
>mind)
>>>
>>>Total price from Apple was $4545.00 (without adding Applecare which I
would
>>
>>>definitely want to do given some of the experiences I and others here
have
>>
>>>had with Macs so we're looking at another $249.00 for a total of $4794.00).
>>>
>>>I just spec'ed the same basic computer componentry for building a DIY
PC
>>
>>>from Newegg for $2659.90 and this would include Vista Ultimate. That's
>a
>>
>>>difference of $2135.00. For less than this $2k difference added to the
>PC
>>
>>>you could upgrade to dual quad XEON CPU's, more and faster memory that
>would
>>
>>>have the PC running circles around the Mac.
>>>
>>>I'm not trying to bash Macs here James (like I usually do ;o) I'm just
>
>>>trying to see what the justification might be for paying almost twice
the
>>
>>>price for a Mac when I could build a faster PC in about a day..........a
>>
>>>goodly part of which time could be spent doing other things while formatting
>>
>>>all of the drives and loading the OS.
>>>
>>>I'm sorry man. The priviledge of using the MacOS just isn't worth $2k
+
>>to
>>>me so the Mac pricing still doesn't come close to anything I would want
>>to
>>>get involved with..................even if it can run Windows
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:460b4556@linux...
>>>> James,
>>>>
>>>> Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a two
>
>>>> button (or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last
time
>>I
>>>> was at the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82263 is a reply to message #82251] |
Thu, 29 March 2007 00:36 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I was just spec'ing out one of these.Macs on Apple's website with dual
>2.66GHz Xeon coreduo CPU's, two 500G backup HD's and 4G RAM. (how they can
>justify charging over $1k for 4 x 1G 667MHZ ECC RAM sticks boggles the mind)
>
>Total price from Apple was $4545.00 (without adding Applecare which I would
>definitely want to do given some of the experiences I and others here have
>had with Macs so we're looking at another $249.00 for a total of $4794.00).
>
>I just spec'ed the same basic computer componentry for building a DIY PC
>from Newegg for $2659.90 and this would include Vista Ultimate. That's a
>difference of $2135.00. For less than this $2k difference added to the PC
>you could upgrade to dual quad XEON CPU's, more and faster memory that would
>have the PC running circles around the Mac.
>
>I'm not trying to bash Macs here James (like I usually do ;o) I'm just
>trying to see what the justification might be for paying almost twice the
>price for a Mac when I could build a faster PC in about a day..........a
>goodly part of which time could be spent doing other things while formatting
>all of the drives and loading the OS.
>
>I'm sorry man. The priviledge of using the MacOS just isn't worth $2k +
to
>me so the Mac pricing still doesn't come close to anything I would want
to
>get involved with..................even if it can run Windows
>
>;o)
>
>Deej
>
>
>
I'd say sit tight, Apple has something up their sleeves. It may be AMD,
who knows. One thing we now know, is that the rumor that apple has been
delayed because of Vista incompatibility, is untrue.
Like I say, I would never buy Apple upgrades or their monitors, because they
are just way too expensive. To be a little more fair, compare you MOBO prices
to Intel MOBO prices, because that is what Apple is using. They also have
the cost of their proprietary Apple ROM chips. The truth and the bottom
line is, Apple will never be able to compete with the roll your own PC pricing.
I think they will even have trouble competing with Dell at times on some
things. It's supply and demand.
James
>
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:460b4556@linux...
>> James,
>>
>> Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a two
>> button (or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last time
I
>> was at the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82265 is a reply to message #82263] |
Thu, 29 March 2007 00:43 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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these new AMD CPU's have me intrigued. I'd be building myself a quadcore
(maybe even a dual quadcore) right about now if it wasn't for the fact that
AMD has something new up their sleeve.
Thanks for all the Mac info BTW. I can see how the cost could be lowered a
bit by going with some 3rd party hardware. If I was logic user, I'd be
turning flips thinking about all the new goodies that are in the works.
;o)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:460b6c63$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I was just spec'ing out one of these.Macs on Apple's website with dual
>>2.66GHz Xeon coreduo CPU's, two 500G backup HD's and 4G RAM. (how they can
>
>>justify charging over $1k for 4 x 1G 667MHZ ECC RAM sticks boggles the
>>mind)
>>
>>Total price from Apple was $4545.00 (without adding Applecare which I
>>would
>
>>definitely want to do given some of the experiences I and others here have
>
>>had with Macs so we're looking at another $249.00 for a total of
>>$4794.00).
>>
>>I just spec'ed the same basic computer componentry for building a DIY PC
>
>>from Newegg for $2659.90 and this would include Vista Ultimate. That's a
>
>>difference of $2135.00. For less than this $2k difference added to the PC
>
>>you could upgrade to dual quad XEON CPU's, more and faster memory that
>>would
>
>>have the PC running circles around the Mac.
>>
>>I'm not trying to bash Macs here James (like I usually do ;o) I'm just
>>trying to see what the justification might be for paying almost twice the
>
>>price for a Mac when I could build a faster PC in about a day..........a
>
>>goodly part of which time could be spent doing other things while
>>formatting
>
>>all of the drives and loading the OS.
>>
>>I'm sorry man. The priviledge of using the MacOS just isn't worth $2k +
> to
>>me so the Mac pricing still doesn't come close to anything I would want
> to
>>get involved with..................even if it can run Windows
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
> I'd say sit tight, Apple has something up their sleeves. It may be AMD,
> who knows. One thing we now know, is that the rumor that apple has been
> delayed because of Vista incompatibility, is untrue.
>
> Like I say, I would never buy Apple upgrades or their monitors, because
> they
> are just way too expensive. To be a little more fair, compare you MOBO
> prices
> to Intel MOBO prices, because that is what Apple is using. They also have
> the cost of their proprietary Apple ROM chips. The truth and the bottom
> line is, Apple will never be able to compete with the roll your own PC
> pricing.
> I think they will even have trouble competing with Dell at times on some
> things. It's supply and demand.
>
> James
>
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:460b4556@linux...
>>> James,
>>>
>>> Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a two
>>> button (or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last time
> I
>>> was at the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82270 is a reply to message #82254] |
Thu, 29 March 2007 02:57 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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if you use an pc mouse there are right click functions.
it should invalidate your warranty but they will say (this is what
they told me on my old g4) that once you install any soft or hardware
and if the computer fails to function properly (even though others do
with the same) it's your fault or the fault of the components or the
fault of the weather but not their machine.
the last place i would get ram from is apple. there's nothing special
about it other than they've tested it and it works. you can buy the
same ram from just about anywhere for 1/4 the cost.
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:01:13 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>If you introduce components to the Mac that aren't factory installed, does
>this hose your Applecare?
>
>thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:460b5645@linux...
>>
>> When I bought my happy dual G5 I bought the extra RAM and HD elsewhere.
>> Saved a few bucks.
>>
>> You may want to wait until April 16th to see what Apple is bringing out
>> for NAB. Might be 8 core time, and a price drop on the quads. Just a
>> guess.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> I was just spec'ing out one of these.Macs on Apple's website with dual
>>> 2.66GHz Xeon coreduo CPU's, two 500G backup HD's and 4G RAM. (how they
>>> can justify charging over $1k for 4 x 1G 667MHZ ECC RAM sticks boggles
>>> the mind)
>>>
>>> Total price from Apple was $4545.00 (without adding Applecare which I
>>> would definitely want to do given some of the experiences I and others
>>> here have had with Macs so we're looking at another $249.00 for a total
>>> of $4794.00).
>>>
>>> I just spec'ed the same basic computer componentry for building a DIY PC
>>> from Newegg for $2659.90 and this would include Vista Ultimate. That's a
>>> difference of $2135.00. For less than this $2k difference added to the PC
>>> you could upgrade to dual quad XEON CPU's, more and faster memory that
>>> would have the PC running circles around the Mac.
>>>
>>> I'm not trying to bash Macs here James (like I usually do ;o) I'm just
>>> trying to see what the justification might be for paying almost twice the
>>> price for a Mac when I could build a faster PC in about a day..........a
>>> goodly part of which time could be spent doing other things while
>>> formatting all of the drives and loading the OS.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry man. The priviledge of using the MacOS just isn't worth $2k +
>>> to me so the Mac pricing still doesn't come close to anything I would
>>> want to get involved with..................even if it can run Windows
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:460b4556@linux...
>>>> James,
>>>>
>>>> Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a two
>>>> button (or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last time
>>>> I was at the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82275 is a reply to message #82270] |
Thu, 29 March 2007 08:02 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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Location: Metro Detroit
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rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>if you use an pc mouse there are right click functions.
>
>it should invalidate your warranty but they will say (this is what
>they told me on my old g4) that once you install any soft or hardware
>and if the computer fails to function properly (even though others do
>with the same) it's your fault or the fault of the components or the
>fault of the weather but not their machine.
Nobody else does this in the industry, only Apple.
If you talk to some body higher up you can sometimes get stuff done. there
first line of support will some times tell you stupid stuff like just reinstall
your operating system. If you listen who's fault is that? Some of those
people are right out of training. You got to go higher!
Apple needs to fix stuff like that. Although, no company can or will support
every configuration.
>
>the last place i would get ram from is apple. there's nothing special
>about it other than they've tested it and it works. you can buy the
>same ram from just about anywhere for 1/4 the cost.
>
YES! Apple RAM is over priced, don't buy it, ever! However, the RAM in
the MacPro tower was specially engineered to work in that machine. Like
I said, it has heat sinks on the memory. That is how they got so much RAM
in the MacPro, and as close together as it is. As I know it, if you put
regular ram in those machines, you will kill the MOBO with in a couple of
years.
>
>On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:01:13 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
>wrote:
>
>>If you introduce components to the Mac that aren't factory installed, does
>>this hose your Applecare?
>>
>>thanks,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:460b5645@linux...
>>>
>>> When I bought my happy dual G5 I bought the extra RAM and HD elsewhere.
>>> Saved a few bucks.
>>>
>>> You may want to wait until April 16th to see what Apple is bringing out
>>> for NAB. Might be 8 core time, and a price drop on the quads. Just a
>>> guess.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>> I was just spec'ing out one of these.Macs on Apple's website with dual
>>>> 2.66GHz Xeon coreduo CPU's, two 500G backup HD's and 4G RAM. (how they
>>>> can justify charging over $1k for 4 x 1G 667MHZ ECC RAM sticks boggles
>>>> the mind)
>>>>
>>>> Total price from Apple was $4545.00 (without adding Applecare which
I
>>>> would definitely want to do given some of the experiences I and others
>>>> here have had with Macs so we're looking at another $249.00 for a total
>>>> of $4794.00).
>>>>
>>>> I just spec'ed the same basic computer componentry for building a DIY
PC
>>>> from Newegg for $2659.90 and this would include Vista Ultimate. That's
a
>>>> difference of $2135.00. For less than this $2k difference added to the
PC
>>>> you could upgrade to dual quad XEON CPU's, more and faster memory that
>>>> would have the PC running circles around the Mac.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not trying to bash Macs here James (like I usually do ;o) I'm just
>>>> trying to see what the justification might be for paying almost twice
the
>>>> price for a Mac when I could build a faster PC in about a day..........a
>>>> goodly part of which time could be spent doing other things while
>>>> formatting all of the drives and loading the OS.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry man. The priviledge of using the MacOS just isn't worth $2k
+
>>>> to me so the Mac pricing still doesn't come close to anything I would
>>>> want to get involved with..................even if it can run Windows
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:460b4556@linux...
>>>>> James,
>>>>>
>>>>> Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a two
>>>>> button (or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last
time
>>>>> I was at the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>>>>
>>>>
>
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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82278 is a reply to message #82256] |
Thu, 29 March 2007 08:27 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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The ONLY thing I like about the Mighty Mouse is the scoll ball. If it
didn't have that, it would "fly" to the trash....
David.
James McCloskey wrote:
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>>James,
>>
>>Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a two button
>
>
>>(or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last time I was
>
> at
>
>>the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> About a hundred years ago; ) And they even have contextual menus.
>
> The newer Apple mighty mouse doesn't look like it has multi buttons, but
> it works like it does, and it has a trackball/scroll ball on top. Give it
> a try next time you get a chance. I've been using a Kensinton Expert mouse
> pro (Track Ball), a Macally optical track ball, a top of the line Microsoft
> wireless optical mouse, and many others. As long as it's USB it will work,
> scroll wheels the works. Some times special function buttons won't work
> with out it's unique special driver. most any thing you plugin will work
> though. Your Windows PC keyboards will work also.
>
> Fyi, even back in the ADB (serial) port days multi button mice worked. Apple
> was funny about keeping the simplicity with a one button mouse for beginners.
> There are a lot of products Apple doesn't make because they want to keep
> encouraging third parties to keep developing for the Mac. So they let them
> go and don't step on their toes.
>
> Not eve Mac user could figure out why Apple hung on sooooooooo long to the
> one button!
>
> James
>
>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
>>
>>>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82297 is a reply to message #82275] |
Thu, 29 March 2007 12:02 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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after 8 months i and the dealer were dealing with the higher ups. it
was they who told me the news. remember i had the logic board, cpu
and boot drive replaced twice by them. rather than admit the ff800
made only for one month prior to the g5 just didn't work right until
10.3.7 came out.
as to configuration support...i guess that would be logic and the
ensemble...and fuck the rest of the world.
i guess i'd have to see the special engineering they have as any bench
marking we've done with both apple and non apple ram show no
difference other than price.
On 30 Mar 2007 01:02:01 +1000, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>if you use an pc mouse there are right click functions.
>>
>>it should invalidate your warranty but they will say (this is what
>>they told me on my old g4) that once you install any soft or hardware
>>and if the computer fails to function properly (even though others do
>>with the same) it's your fault or the fault of the components or the
>>fault of the weather but not their machine.
>
>Nobody else does this in the industry, only Apple.
>
>If you talk to some body higher up you can sometimes get stuff done. there
>first line of support will some times tell you stupid stuff like just reinstall
>your operating system. If you listen who's fault is that? Some of those
>people are right out of training. You got to go higher!
>
>Apple needs to fix stuff like that. Although, no company can or will support
>every configuration.
>
>>
>>the last place i would get ram from is apple. there's nothing special
>>about it other than they've tested it and it works. you can buy the
>>same ram from just about anywhere for 1/4 the cost.
>>
>
>YES! Apple RAM is over priced, don't buy it, ever! However, the RAM in
>the MacPro tower was specially engineered to work in that machine. Like
>I said, it has heat sinks on the memory. That is how they got so much RAM
>in the MacPro, and as close together as it is. As I know it, if you put
>regular ram in those machines, you will kill the MOBO with in a couple of
>years.
>
>>
>>On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:01:13 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>If you introduce components to the Mac that aren't factory installed, does
>
>>>this hose your Applecare?
>>>
>>>thanks,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:460b5645@linux...
>>>>
>>>> When I bought my happy dual G5 I bought the extra RAM and HD elsewhere.
>
>>>> Saved a few bucks.
>>>>
>>>> You may want to wait until April 16th to see what Apple is bringing out
>
>>>> for NAB. Might be 8 core time, and a price drop on the quads. Just a
>
>>>> guess.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>> I was just spec'ing out one of these.Macs on Apple's website with dual
>
>>>>> 2.66GHz Xeon coreduo CPU's, two 500G backup HD's and 4G RAM. (how they
>
>>>>> can justify charging over $1k for 4 x 1G 667MHZ ECC RAM sticks boggles
>
>>>>> the mind)
>>>>>
>>>>> Total price from Apple was $4545.00 (without adding Applecare which
>I
>>>>> would definitely want to do given some of the experiences I and others
>
>>>>> here have had with Macs so we're looking at another $249.00 for a total
>
>>>>> of $4794.00).
>>>>>
>>>>> I just spec'ed the same basic computer componentry for building a DIY
>PC
>>>>> from Newegg for $2659.90 and this would include Vista Ultimate. That's
>a
>>>>> difference of $2135.00. For less than this $2k difference added to the
>PC
>>>>> you could upgrade to dual quad XEON CPU's, more and faster memory that
>
>>>>> would have the PC running circles around the Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not trying to bash Macs here James (like I usually do ;o) I'm just
>
>>>>> trying to see what the justification might be for paying almost twice
>the
>>>>> price for a Mac when I could build a faster PC in about a day..........a
>
>>>>> goodly part of which time could be spent doing other things while
>>>>> formatting all of the drives and loading the OS.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry man. The priviledge of using the MacOS just isn't worth $2k
>+
>>>>> to me so the Mac pricing still doesn't come close to anything I would
>
>>>>> want to get involved with..................even if it can run Windows
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:460b4556@linux...
>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a two
>
>>>>>> button (or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last
>time
>>>>>> I was at the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82324 is a reply to message #82297] |
Thu, 29 March 2007 22:40 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>after 8 months i and the dealer were dealing with the higher ups. it
>was they who told me the news. remember i had the logic board, cpu
>and boot drive replaced twice by them. rather than admit the ff800
>made only for one month prior to the g5 just didn't work right until
>10.3.7 came out.
>
Many people have and do use the PowerMac G4 800 with no problems, including
Audio guys, so.....I don't know what's up with that.
I don't know when you bought your G4 FW800. The power Mac G4 FW 800 was
released at Macworld in January 2003, and was discontinued in late June 2003,
so about 6 months. This wouldn't be considered short for a PC model.
>as to configuration support...i guess that would be logic and the
>ensemble...and fuck the rest of the world.
Oh, does Microsoft and Dell support Steinberg, cakewalk, RME and Presonus
configured on their products? How about the slapped together PCs? Nobody
can or will support every configuration. Your kind of being unfair.
>
>i guess i'd have to see the special engineering they have as any bench
>marking we've done with both apple and non apple ram show no
>difference other than price.
DJ was talking about the RAM that goes in the Intel Mac Pros. It is different
than standard RAM in that it has a heat sink on the memory. Look on page
four, it's not standard memory. You can buy cheaper memory from third parties
like I said, you don't have to buy the high priced Apple memory.
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/MacPro_MemoryRiserCard-DIY. pdf
>
>On 30 Mar 2007 01:02:01 +1000, "James McCloskey"
><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>if you use an pc mouse there are right click functions.
>>>
>>>it should invalidate your warranty but they will say (this is what
>>>they told me on my old g4) that once you install any soft or hardware
>>>and if the computer fails to function properly (even though others do
>>>with the same) it's your fault or the fault of the components or the
>>>fault of the weather but not their machine.
>>
>>Nobody else does this in the industry, only Apple.
>>
>>If you talk to some body higher up you can sometimes get stuff done. there
>>first line of support will some times tell you stupid stuff like just reinstall
>>your operating system. If you listen who's fault is that? Some of those
>>people are right out of training. You got to go higher!
>>
>>Apple needs to fix stuff like that. Although, no company can or will support
>>every configuration.
>>
>>>
>>>the last place i would get ram from is apple. there's nothing special
>>>about it other than they've tested it and it works. you can buy the
>>>same ram from just about anywhere for 1/4 the cost.
>>>
>>
>>YES! Apple RAM is over priced, don't buy it, ever! However, the RAM in
>>the MacPro tower was specially engineered to work in that machine. Like
>>I said, it has heat sinks on the memory. That is how they got so much
RAM
>>in the MacPro, and as close together as it is. As I know it, if you put
>>regular ram in those machines, you will kill the MOBO with in a couple
of
>>years.
>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:01:13 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you introduce components to the Mac that aren't factory installed,
does
>>
>>>>this hose your Applecare?
>>>>
>>>>thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:460b5645@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> When I bought my happy dual G5 I bought the extra RAM and HD elsewhere.
>>
>>>>> Saved a few bucks.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may want to wait until April 16th to see what Apple is bringing
out
>>
>>>>> for NAB. Might be 8 core time, and a price drop on the quads. Just
a
>>
>>>>> guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>> I was just spec'ing out one of these.Macs on Apple's website with
dual
>>
>>>>>> 2.66GHz Xeon coreduo CPU's, two 500G backup HD's and 4G RAM. (how
they
>>
>>>>>> can justify charging over $1k for 4 x 1G 667MHZ ECC RAM sticks boggles
>>
>>>>>> the mind)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Total price from Apple was $4545.00 (without adding Applecare which
>>I
>>>>>> would definitely want to do given some of the experiences I and others
>>
>>>>>> here have had with Macs so we're looking at another $249.00 for a
total
>>
>>>>>> of $4794.00).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just spec'ed the same basic computer componentry for building a
DIY
>>PC
>>>>>> from Newegg for $2659.90 and this would include Vista Ultimate. That's
>>a
>>>>>> difference of $2135.00. For less than this $2k difference added to
the
>>PC
>>>>>> you could upgrade to dual quad XEON CPU's, more and faster memory
that
>>
>>>>>> would have the PC running circles around the Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not trying to bash Macs here James (like I usually do ;o) I'm
just
>>
>>>>>> trying to see what the justification might be for paying almost twice
>>the
>>>>>> price for a Mac when I could build a faster PC in about a day..........a
>>
>>>>>> goodly part of which time could be spent doing other things while
>>>>>> formatting all of the drives and loading the OS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry man. The priviledge of using the MacOS just isn't worth
$2k
>>+
>>>>>> to me so the Mac pricing still doesn't come close to anything I would
>>
>>>>>> want to get involved with..................even if it can run Windows
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:460b4556@linux...
>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a
two
>>
>>>>>>> button (or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last
>>time
>>>>>>> I was at the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82332 is a reply to message #82324] |
Fri, 30 March 2007 02:26 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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purchased the day before the g5's debut.
fuck the rest of the world is more for now. they're position was
anything anytime not working was due to the "other" and not them.
when os updates make some mfgs. ram no longer compatible the wtf.
even though it was mac's doing they were blaming others for their
short comings with firewire and it's working with outside produced
gear. then later (years) admit it's theirs.
why you keep dragging pc's into this i don't know. the discussion
here was about a mac. i effing know that one can and does encounter
problem with compatibility issues with certain mobos and gear. but
you don't see posts pulled by other mfg's. the way you do mac. if
there's a negative post or topic they are most likely to be pulled by
the mac moderators.
memory with heat sinks is hardly new and not a mac invention. i've
had that on my mushkin ram for years before mac "invented it"
On 30 Mar 2007 15:40:03 +1000, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>after 8 months i and the dealer were dealing with the higher ups. it
>>was they who told me the news. remember i had the logic board, cpu
>>and boot drive replaced twice by them. rather than admit the ff800
>>made only for one month prior to the g5 just didn't work right until
>>10.3.7 came out.
>>
>
>Many people have and do use the PowerMac G4 800 with no problems, including
>Audio guys, so.....I don't know what's up with that.
>
>I don't know when you bought your G4 FW800. The power Mac G4 FW 800 was
>released at Macworld in January 2003, and was discontinued in late June 2003,
>so about 6 months. This wouldn't be considered short for a PC model.
>
>>as to configuration support...i guess that would be logic and the
>>ensemble...and fuck the rest of the world.
>
>Oh, does Microsoft and Dell support Steinberg, cakewalk, RME and Presonus
>configured on their products? How about the slapped together PCs? Nobody
>can or will support every configuration. Your kind of being unfair.
>
>>
>>i guess i'd have to see the special engineering they have as any bench
>>marking we've done with both apple and non apple ram show no
>>difference other than price.
>
>DJ was talking about the RAM that goes in the Intel Mac Pros. It is different
>than standard RAM in that it has a heat sink on the memory. Look on page
>four, it's not standard memory. You can buy cheaper memory from third parties
>like I said, you don't have to buy the high priced Apple memory.
>
> http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/MacPro_MemoryRiserCard-DIY. pdf
>
>>
>>On 30 Mar 2007 01:02:01 +1000, "James McCloskey"
>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>if you use an pc mouse there are right click functions.
>>>>
>>>>it should invalidate your warranty but they will say (this is what
>>>>they told me on my old g4) that once you install any soft or hardware
>>>>and if the computer fails to function properly (even though others do
>>>>with the same) it's your fault or the fault of the components or the
>>>>fault of the weather but not their machine.
>>>
>>>Nobody else does this in the industry, only Apple.
>>>
>>>If you talk to some body higher up you can sometimes get stuff done. there
>>>first line of support will some times tell you stupid stuff like just reinstall
>>>your operating system. If you listen who's fault is that? Some of those
>>>people are right out of training. You got to go higher!
>>>
>>>Apple needs to fix stuff like that. Although, no company can or will support
>>>every configuration.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>the last place i would get ram from is apple. there's nothing special
>>>>about it other than they've tested it and it works. you can buy the
>>>>same ram from just about anywhere for 1/4 the cost.
>>>>
>>>
>>>YES! Apple RAM is over priced, don't buy it, ever! However, the RAM in
>>>the MacPro tower was specially engineered to work in that machine. Like
>>>I said, it has heat sinks on the memory. That is how they got so much
>RAM
>>>in the MacPro, and as close together as it is. As I know it, if you put
>>>regular ram in those machines, you will kill the MOBO with in a couple
>of
>>>years.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:01:13 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>If you introduce components to the Mac that aren't factory installed,
>does
>>>
>>>>>this hose your Applecare?
>>>>>
>>>>>thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:460b5645@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I bought my happy dual G5 I bought the extra RAM and HD elsewhere.
>>>
>>>>>> Saved a few bucks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may want to wait until April 16th to see what Apple is bringing
>out
>>>
>>>>>> for NAB. Might be 8 core time, and a price drop on the quads. Just
>a
>>>
>>>>>> guess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>> I was just spec'ing out one of these.Macs on Apple's website with
>dual
>>>
>>>>>>> 2.66GHz Xeon coreduo CPU's, two 500G backup HD's and 4G RAM. (how
>they
>>>
>>>>>>> can justify charging over $1k for 4 x 1G 667MHZ ECC RAM sticks boggles
>>>
>>>>>>> the mind)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Total price from Apple was $4545.00 (without adding Applecare which
>>>I
>>>>>>> would definitely want to do given some of the experiences I and others
>>>
>>>>>>> here have had with Macs so we're looking at another $249.00 for a
>total
>>>
>>>>>>> of $4794.00).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just spec'ed the same basic computer componentry for building a
>DIY
>>>PC
>>>>>>> from Newegg for $2659.90 and this would include Vista Ultimate. That's
>>>a
>>>>>>> difference of $2135.00. For less than this $2k difference added to
>the
>>>PC
>>>>>>> you could upgrade to dual quad XEON CPU's, more and faster memory
>that
>>>
>>>>>>> would have the PC running circles around the Mac.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not trying to bash Macs here James (like I usually do ;o) I'm
>just
>>>
>>>>>>> trying to see what the justification might be for paying almost twice
>>>the
>>>>>>> price for a Mac when I could build a faster PC in about a day..........a
>>>
>>>>>>> goodly part of which time could be spent doing other things while
>
>>>>>>> formatting all of the drives and loading the OS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry man. The priviledge of using the MacOS just isn't worth
>$2k
>>>+
>>>>>>> to me so the Mac pricing still doesn't come close to anything I would
>>>
>>>>>>> want to get involved with..................even if it can run Windows
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:460b4556@linux...
>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a
>two
>>>
>>>>>>>> button (or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last
>>>time
>>>>>>>> I was at the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Bootcamp 1.2 with Vista support. [message #82391 is a reply to message #82390] |
Fri, 30 March 2007 18:07 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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DJ, can you put 16GB of RAM in a PC?
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211 066&CMP=EMC-IGNEFL033007&ATT=N82E16820211066
>
>I could buy 16G of faster RAM for the price of 4 G of Apple memory.
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:460b5b5d$1@linux...
>>
>> Don't ever buy RAM from Apple, it's a rip off. The RAM that goes in
them
>> was engineered. The Ram has specially designed heat sinks on them, that
>> why
>> they can place as much RAM in them and so close. You can get cheaper
RAM
>> for them from OWC, crucial and other places. Apple RAM, and LCD monitors
>> have always been too expensive!
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>I was just spec'ing out one of these.Macs on Apple's website with dual
>>>2.66GHz Xeon coreduo CPU's, two 500G backup HD's and 4G RAM. (how they
can
>>
>>>justify charging over $1k for 4 x 1G 667MHZ ECC RAM sticks boggles the
>>>mind)
>>>
>>>Total price from Apple was $4545.00 (without adding Applecare which I
>>>would
>>
>>>definitely want to do given some of the experiences I and others here
have
>>
>>>had with Macs so we're looking at another $249.00 for a total of
>>>$4794.00).
>>>
>>>I just spec'ed the same basic computer componentry for building a DIY
PC
>>
>>>from Newegg for $2659.90 and this would include Vista Ultimate. That's
a
>>
>>>difference of $2135.00. For less than this $2k difference added to the
PC
>>
>>>you could upgrade to dual quad XEON CPU's, more and faster memory that
>>>would
>>
>>>have the PC running circles around the Mac.
>>>
>>>I'm not trying to bash Macs here James (like I usually do ;o) I'm just
>>>trying to see what the justification might be for paying almost twice
the
>>
>>>price for a Mac when I could build a faster PC in about a day..........a
>>
>>>goodly part of which time could be spent doing other things while
>>>formatting
>>
>>>all of the drives and loading the OS.
>>>
>>>I'm sorry man. The priviledge of using the MacOS just isn't worth $2k
+
>> to
>>>me so the Mac pricing still doesn't come close to anything I would want
>> to
>>>get involved with..................even if it can run Windows
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:460b4556@linux...
>>>> James,
>>>>
>>>> Has Apple implemented the *right click* feature in OSX so that a two
>>>> button (or more) mouse can be used? I should have checked this last
time
>> I
>>>> was at the Mac store here. Surely they have by now.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:460b3fd0$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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