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Benchmark DAC or clock [message #87128]

Sun, 24 June 2007 15:31

Wayne Carson

Messages: 86
Registered: June 2007

Member

Hello all,

Which would give me the biggest bang for the buck? and a mackie question.

I'm pretty content with using my Mackie 1604vlz preamps as instrument inputs
(using channel inserts as outputs to my 8-in card) and a PreSonus Eureka for
vocal inputs direct to the 8-in card. I don't record but a few tracks at a
time and only one vox at a time. Mostly overdubbing individual parts and
harmonies.

1. Mackie - I was told to use the channel inserts for the outputs instead
of the direct outs (channel 1-8) because of less noise. I leave the 1/4" TS
line half way in all the time so that I can still solo the mackie channel
for trim adjustment only. Do you think I'm getting the best signal, ie,
least amount of circuit noise and full signal at the first detent? It
sounds OK to me. btw - I use Paris's warmth, fullness, depth, space and
efx's to achieve most everything since I don't have any external processors.

2. DAC or Clock - I've got a simple system. One MEC with two 8-in cards
and a two card EDS with one C16. All black face, classic. I've had this
system since 1997-8 running 3.0 on XP. Chuck has said that the Paris clock
is decent but I'm reading many of you hear a clarity when using an external
clock and or a DAC. I'm a bit concerned when using a clock that the MEC
sample lite goes to 48k, but I guess I could live with it. Would an
external clock make a significant difference on a 1-MEC system or would a
DAConverter help clear up any muddyness or harshness more?

Thanks guys and gals for your expert opinions and real world analysis on
this.

Wayne Carson

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Re: Benchmark DAC or clock [message #87133 is a reply to message #87128]

Sun, 24 June 2007 17:19

Deej [4]

Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007

Senior Member

I'm a bit concerned when using a clock that the MEC
> sample lite goes to 48k, but I guess I could live with it. Would an
> external clock make a significant difference on a 1-MEC system or would a
> DAConverter help clear up any muddyness or harshness more?

The DAC-1 will give you clearer picture of your mix. It is far superior to
the Paris DAC, even if Paris is clocked to an external source. The external
clock will improve the A/D and D/A resolution of your entire system,
including the D/A that you use to monitor you mix. This D/A converter still
will not achieve the level of resolution of a Benchmark DAC-1, Mytek Stereo
D/A, Lavry, etc, but it will definitely help. What I would look for is
something like an old Apogee PSX 100

http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM99/Apogee/PSX-100. html

...........or an older Mytek Stereo AD/DA unit (I forget that they are named,
but Dimitrios would know.he has one) and David Seymour at Mytek might be
able to help you find one..

These units have a clock that you can use to clock Paris externally and you
will get a superior A/D converter for critical tracking and a superior D/A
converter for monitoring, all in the same box.

You don't need anything capable of over 48KHz sample rate with Paris.

Deej

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Re: Benchmark DAC or clock [message #87134 is a reply to message #87133]

Sun, 24 June 2007 18:03

Kim
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Registered: October 2005

Senior Member

I take it this would work?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mytek-StudioClock-192-CX-Clock-Genera tor_W0QQitemZ320130097707QQihZ011QQcategoryZ41784QQrdZ1QQssP ageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem

Seems like a good deal, even though it's 192...

Cheers,
Kim.

"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
> I'm a bit concerned when using a clock that the MEC
>> sample lite goes to 48k, but I guess I could live with it. Would an
>> external clock make a significant difference on a 1-MEC system or would
a
>> DAConverter help clear up any muddyness or harshness more?
>
>
>The DAC-1 will give you clearer picture of your mix. It is far superior
to
>the Paris DAC, even if Paris is clocked to an external source. The external

>clock will improve the A/D and D/A resolution of your entire system,
>including the D/A that you use to monitor you mix. This D/A converter still

>will not achieve the level of resolution of a Benchmark DAC-1, Mytek Stereo

>D/A, Lavry, etc, but it will definitely help. What I would look for is
>something like an old Apogee PSX 100
>
> http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM99/Apogee/PSX-100. html
>
>..........or an older Mytek Stereo AD/DA unit (I forget that they are named,

>but Dimitrios would know.he has one) and David Seymour at Mytek might be

>able to help you find one..
>
>These units have a clock that you can use to clock Paris externally and
you
>will get a superior A/D converter for critical tracking and a superior D/A

>converter for monitoring, all in the same box.
>
>You don't need anything capable of over 48KHz sample rate with Paris.
>
>Deej
>
>
>

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Re: Benchmark DAC or clock [message #87135 is a reply to message #87133]

Sun, 24 June 2007 18:16

Wayne Carson

Messages: 86
Registered: June 2007

Member

Thanks DJ,

I'll look into your ideas.

My understanding is that even though the Paris MEC light shows 48K as a
sample rate with an external clock, it is really still just 44.1K. I just
want a simple 44.1K sample rate so that I can export a stereo wave file out
of Paris and go directly to CD. I'm not trying to overclock or get an
absurd sample rate.

Thanks again,
Wayne

"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:467f0ba5@linux...
>
> I'm a bit concerned when using a clock that the MEC
>> sample lite goes to 48k, but I guess I could live with it. Would an
>> external clock make a significant difference on a 1-MEC system or would a
>> DAConverter help clear up any muddyness or harshness more?
>
>
> The DAC-1 will give you clearer picture of your mix. It is far superior to
> the Paris DAC, even if Paris is clocked to an external source. The
> external clock will improve the A/D and D/A resolution of your entire
> system, including the D/A that you use to monitor you mix. This D/A
> converter still will not achieve the level of resolution of a Benchmark
> DAC-1, Mytek Stereo D/A, Lavry, etc, but it will definitely help. What I
> would look for is something like an old Apogee PSX 100
>
> http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM99/Apogee/PSX-100. html
>
> ..........or an older Mytek Stereo AD/DA unit (I forget that they are
> named, but Dimitrios would know.he has one) and David Seymour at Mytek
> might be able to help you find one..
>
> These units have a clock that you can use to clock Paris externally and
> you will get a superior A/D converter for critical tracking and a superior
> D/A converter for monitoring, all in the same box.
>
> You don't need anything capable of over 48KHz sample rate with Paris.
>
> Deej
>
>
>

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Re: Benchmark DAC or clock [message #87138 is a reply to message #87128]

Sun, 24 June 2007 18:39

Wayne Carson

Messages: 86
Registered: June 2007

Member

OK, I'm looking into clocks using the SweetWater catalog.
Apogee Big Ben $1345
Lucid Genx192 $700

Kim sent from eBay
Mytek StudioClock 192-CX $690 states it's more robust and a better square
wave then Big Ben.

DJ sent
Apogee PSX-100 $3000

I'm gonna read up on all. Anyone have fav's.

Thanks all.

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Re: Benchmark DAC or clock [message #87140 is a reply to message #87134]

Sun, 24 June 2007 19:03

Deej [4]

Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007

Senior Member

It would work nicely as a clock. You could spend just a little more and get
a Mytek Stereo96 A/D and get a a similar clock and great A/D converter.
Neither of these will help in the D/A department though, other than the
Mytek clock will reclock the Paris D/A converters.

Deej

"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:467f1450$1@linux...
>
>
> I take it this would work?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mytek-StudioClock-192-CX-Clock-Genera tor_W0QQitemZ320130097707QQihZ011QQcategoryZ41784QQrdZ1QQssP ageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem
>
> Seems like a good deal, even though it's 192...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm a bit concerned when using a clock that the MEC
>>> sample lite goes to 48k, but I guess I could live with it. Would an
>>> external clock make a significant difference on a 1-MEC system or would
> a
>>> DAConverter help clear up any muddyness or harshness more?
>>
>>
>>The DAC-1 will give you clearer picture of your mix. It is far superior
> to
>>the Paris DAC, even if Paris is clocked to an external source. The
>>external
>
>>clock will improve the A/D and D/A resolution of your entire system,
>>including the D/A that you use to monitor you mix. This D/A converter
>>still
>
>>will not achieve the level of resolution of a Benchmark DAC-1, Mytek
>>Stereo
>
>>D/A, Lavry, etc, but it will definitely help. What I would look for is
>>something like an old Apogee PSX 100
>>
>> http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM99/Apogee/PSX-100. html
>>
>>..........or an older Mytek Stereo AD/DA unit (I forget that they are
>>named,
>
>>but Dimitrios would know.he has one) and David Seymour at Mytek might be
>
>>able to help you find one..
>>
>>These units have a clock that you can use to clock Paris externally and
> you
>>will get a superior A/D converter for critical tracking and a superior D/A
>
>>converter for monitoring, all in the same box.
>>
>>You don't need anything capable of over 48KHz sample rate with Paris.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: Benchmark DAC or clock [message #87141 is a reply to message #87138]

Sun, 24 June 2007 19:06

Deej [4]

Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007

Senior Member

The PSX 100 is 3K? If I was gonna spend 3k it would be on a Mytek 8 channel
ADDA. I had no idea the PSX was even being made now, muchless going for $3k.

If all you're looking for is a clock, buy a Lucid GenX-6 (not the 96k
version.. You don't need 96k.

Deej

"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
news:467f1e66@linux...
> OK, I'm looking into clocks using the SweetWater catalog.
> Apogee Big Ben $1345
> Lucid Genx192 $700
>
> Kim sent from eBay
> Mytek StudioClock 192-CX $690 states it's more robust and a better
> square wave then Big Ben.
>
> DJ sent
> Apogee PSX-100 $3000
>
> I'm gonna read up on all. Anyone have fav's.
>
> Thanks all.
>

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Re: Benchmark DAC or clock [message #87144 is a reply to message #87141]

Sun, 24 June 2007 19:43

Wayne Carson

Messages: 86
Registered: June 2007

Member

DJ,

Yup. It was on the harmony-central link. Apogee Press Release dtd Jan
28,1999. List price $2995. Of course that was years ago and I'm sure the
price has fallen quite a bit on this item if it's even made anymore.

I think what I'd like for an end product is a simple but quality and
accurate clock with at least 2 outputs. One to the MEC and one to a DAC
which I also need to purchase. I can understand this arrangement. The
PSX-100 seems a bit complicated but something like this might be available
with less bells and whistles. A good clock with AD/DA routing also. Sounds
too good to be true. At least until I see the price tag.

But in a simple system I understand that I would send the output of the
clock to the MEC clock in. And then figure out how to clock Paris correctly
using an external source in the project window. I think I can figure this
out and create a default. I've got the 8 page MEC booklet.

Then I could either use the MEC clock output or the external clock's other
outputs to send to the DAC (probably the preferred method). That's it.
That's what I want.

Have a nice evening.

Wayne

"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:467f24aa@linux...
> The PSX 100 is 3K? If I was gonna spend 3k it would be on a Mytek 8
> channel ADDA. I had no idea the PSX was even being made now, muchless
> going for $3k.
>
> If all you're looking for is a clock, buy a Lucid GenX-6 (not the 96k
> version.. You don't need 96k.
>
> Deej
>
> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:467f1e66@linux...
>> OK, I'm looking into clocks using the SweetWater catalog.
>> Apogee Big Ben $1345
>> Lucid Genx192 $700
>>
>> Kim sent from eBay
>> Mytek StudioClock 192-CX $690 states it's more robust and a better
>> square wave then Big Ben.
>>
>> DJ sent
>> Apogee PSX-100 $3000
>>
>> I'm gonna read up on all. Anyone have fav's.
>>
>> Thanks all.
>>
>
>

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Re: Benchmark DAC or clock [message #87177 is a reply to message #87134]

Mon, 25 June 2007 09:32

Wayne Carson

Messages: 86
Registered: June 2007

Member

Thanks Kim.

"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:467f1450$1@linux...
>
>
> I take it this would work?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mytek-StudioClock-192-CX-Clock-Genera tor_W0QQitemZ320130097707QQihZ011QQcategoryZ41784QQrdZ1QQssP ageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem
>
> Seems like a good deal, even though it's 192...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm a bit concerned when using a clock that the MEC
>>> sample lite goes to 48k, but I guess I could live with it. Would an
>>> external clock make a significant difference on a 1-MEC system or would
> a
>>> DAConverter help clear up any muddyness or harshness more?
>>
>>
>>The DAC-1 will give you clearer picture of your mix. It is far superior
> to
>>the Paris DAC, even if Paris is clocked to an external source. The
>>external
>
>>clock will improve the A/D and D/A resolution of your entire system,
>>including the D/A that you use to monitor you mix. This D/A converter
>>still
>
>>will not achieve the level of resolution of a Benchmark DAC-1, Mytek
>>Stereo
>
>>D/A, Lavry, etc, but it will definitely help. What I would look for is
>>something like an old Apogee PSX 100
>>
>> http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM99/Apogee/PSX-100. html
>>
>>..........or an older Mytek Stereo AD/DA unit (I forget that they are
>>named,
>
>>but Dimitrios would know.he has one) and David Seymour at Mytek might be
>
>>able to help you find one..
>>
>>These units have a clock that you can use to clock Paris externally and
> you
>>will get a superior A/D converter for critical tracking and a superior D/A
>
>>converter for monitoring, all in the same box.
>>
>>You don't need anything capable of over 48KHz sample rate with Paris.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: Benchmark DAC or clock [message #87205 is a reply to message #87138]

Tue, 26 June 2007 06:19

Miguel Vigil [1]

Messages: 258
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

http://cgi.ebay.com/AardSync-II-Aardvark-Master-Sync-Generat or_W0QQitemZ290132974166QQihZ019QQcategoryZ41784QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

AardSync II Aardvark Master Sync Generator

If your staying at 48-44.1k range the above is a steller word clock with 4
outs.

Regards,

El Miguel

"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
news:467f1e66@linux...
> OK, I'm looking into clocks using the SweetWater catalog.
> Apogee Big Ben $1345
> Lucid Genx192 $700
>
> Kim sent from eBay
> Mytek StudioClock 192-CX $690 states it's more robust and a better
> square
> wave then Big Ben.
>
> DJ sent
> Apogee PSX-100 $3000
>
> I'm gonna read up on all. Anyone have fav's.
>
> Thanks all.
>
>

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