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| Genographic Project [message #85260] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 11:52  |
DC
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I've talked about this before, but I want to mention it again
because it is just so darn cool.
On this site
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
You can sign up (it costs 100 USD) and send them in a DNA
sample and they will tell you the story of your family's journey
through time and location.
The lineage traced is paternal (because the mutations they use
as markers are paternal ones) and in my case, I found that my
Dad's family, (whcih we always thought was 100% Italian) is
actually spread all around the Mediterranean with higher
percentages in Greece, and among Jews than Italians. We are
also significantly represented in Spain and are even in England
and Ireland from the Roman times. But the roots (so to speak)
of the family, and its highest representation today is in Africa...
Who knew?
It is about the coolest 100 bucks you can spend. It will also
teach you the profound difference between our socially-
derived concept of race, and how the genetics actually works.
They are radically different...
Highly recommended.
DC
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| Re: Genographic Project [message #85268 is a reply to message #85260] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 12:50  |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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Steven Olson wrote an excellent book about this.
http://www.amazon.com/Mapping-Human-History-Common-Origins/d p/0618352104/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-1957069-4260638?ie=UTF8& ;s=books&qid=1180121930&sr=8-1
It's one of the better pop science reads I've run across in years. It concentrates
on mitochondrial DNA (i.e. maternal), which is not as descriptive as Y chromosome
testing but is a lot easer to do.
Not quite as good but still interesting is 'The Real Eve' about early human
migration.
http://www.amazon.com/Real-Eve-Danny-Glover/dp/B00006AUH1/re f=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-1957069-4260638?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid= 1180122063&sr=8-1
Also not as well written, but it's a tougher subject. The author is trying
get pretty hard evidence about all the various migrations after the initial
one out of Africa.
Naturally both of these books assume natural selection as a matter of course,
which I think in your case means I should tack a YMMV on the recommendations,
but I enjoyed them both.
TCB
"DC" <dc@spammersinafrica.com> wrote:
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>I've talked about this before, but I want to mention it again
>because it is just so darn cool.
>
>On this site
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>https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
>
>You can sign up (it costs 100 USD) and send them in a DNA
>sample and they will tell you the story of your family's journey
>through time and location.
>
>The lineage traced is paternal (because the mutations they use
>as markers are paternal ones) and in my case, I found that my
>Dad's family, (whcih we always thought was 100% Italian) is
>actually spread all around the Mediterranean with higher
>percentages in Greece, and among Jews than Italians. We are
>also significantly represented in Spain and are even in England
>and Ireland from the Roman times. But the roots (so to speak)
>of the family, and its highest representation today is in Africa...
>
>Who knew?
>
>It is about the coolest 100 bucks you can spend. It will also
>teach you the profound difference between our socially-
>derived concept of race, and how the genetics actually works.
>
>They are radically different...
>
>Highly recommended.
>
>DC
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| Re: Genographic Project [message #85304 is a reply to message #85299] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 19:53 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
Registered: September 2005
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The best mutations to use as family markers are male-linked. I forget
the details but it is on the page.
Some mutations which identify family groups did not originate in Africa,
so cannot be traced there. It looks like all humans came from Africa,
but all haplogroups did not. My group started where everyone elses did,
but all the mutations show the family staying there and around the
Mediterranian.
Today, our group
is only 20% of Italians, but is more than 75% of North Africans, and there
are earlier mutations still found in Ethiopia as well.
50% of all Chinese men came from one guy, and their group does not
link (yet) to Africans as many others do not.
As more and more people participate, the roadmap and history of
the families gets clearer.
It's really interesting. You should join in.
DC
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>That's fascinating. Are there any services which trace maternally? On my
>father's side they were all Scandinavians, but on my mother's we can't
>trace very far back.
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>I thought all tracings would eventually go back to Africa.
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>Bill
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>DC wrote:
>> I've talked about this before, but I want to mention it again
>> because it is just so darn cool.
>>
>> On this site
>>
>> https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
>>
>> You can sign up (it costs 100 USD) and send them in a DNA
>> sample and they will tell you the story of your family's journey
>> through time and location.
>>
>> The lineage traced is paternal (because the mutations they use
>> as markers are paternal ones) and in my case, I found that my
>> Dad's family, (whcih we always thought was 100% Italian) is
>> actually spread all around the Mediterranean with higher
>> percentages in Greece, and among Jews than Italians. We are
>> also significantly represented in Spain and are even in England
>> and Ireland from the Roman times. But the roots (so to speak)
>> of the family, and its highest representation today is in Africa...
>>
>> Who knew?
>>
>> It is about the coolest 100 bucks you can spend. It will also
>> teach you the profound difference between our socially-
>> derived concept of race, and how the genetics actually works.
>>
>> They are radically different...
>>
>> Highly recommended.
>>
>> DC
>>
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| Re: Genographic Project [message #85305 is a reply to message #85293] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 20:00 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
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Yes!
What's amazing is the complete revision genetics gives to the
meaning of race.
Because there are 5% M35 (my haplogroup) in the british isles from
the Roman occupation, it is quite possible for a bigot of say, Irish
descent, to have more in common genetically with the object of his
hate than he has with those he thinks are his brothers...
Racism is, and has always been, absurd.
DC
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I think it would be hilarious to snag a glass that David Duke had used at
a
>restaurant, cop a DNA sample and and send him some evidence of his African
>origins.
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>;o)
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>"DC" <dc@spammersinafrica.com> wrote in message news:46573062@linux...
>>
>> I've talked about this before, but I want to mention it again
>> because it is just so darn cool.
>>
>> On this site
>>
>> https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
>>
>> You can sign up (it costs 100 USD) and send them in a DNA
>> sample and they will tell you the story of your family's journey
>> through time and location.
>>
>> The lineage traced is paternal (because the mutations they use
>> as markers are paternal ones) and in my case, I found that my
>> Dad's family, (whcih we always thought was 100% Italian) is
>> actually spread all around the Mediterranean with higher
>> percentages in Greece, and among Jews than Italians. We are
>> also significantly represented in Spain and are even in England
>> and Ireland from the Roman times. But the roots (so to speak)
>> of the family, and its highest representation today is in Africa...
>>
>> Who knew?
>>
>> It is about the coolest 100 bucks you can spend. It will also
>> teach you the profound difference between our socially-
>> derived concept of race, and how the genetics actually works.
>>
>> They are radically different...
>>
>> Highly recommended.
>>
>> DC
>>
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| Re: Genographic Project [message #85335 is a reply to message #85299] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 08:12 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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Bill,
What you'll find is that while your father's side might think of themselves
as 'all Scandinavians' they almost certainly aren't. We're talking thousands
not hundreds of years back, and it's flat out astonishing how promiscuous
we humans were, and I mean that in the traveling not nookie sense of the
word. So in your 'all Scandinavian' past you'll almost certainly find the
odd Arab or Jew or Hungarian or whatever.
There are two main kinds of testing being done in this sort of research.
The maternal lines are traced using mitochondrial DNA, which is inherited
exclusively from our mothers and in theory should never change at all. mtDNA
was the first to be used in this ancient human history research, so the process
is more refined and the results are more agreed upon in the literature. Y
chromosome DNA is (obviously) only found in men. Since it's not supposed
to be an exact copy like mtDNA it's a richer source of genetic information
but for technical reasons that are beyond me it's harder to work with and
there is much more scholarly argument about the results.
TCB
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>That's fascinating. Are there any services which trace maternally? On my
>father's side they were all Scandinavians, but on my mother's we can't
>trace very far back.
>
>I thought all tracings would eventually go back to Africa.
>
>Bill
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>DC wrote:
>> I've talked about this before, but I want to mention it again
>> because it is just so darn cool.
>>
>> On this site
>>
>> https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
>>
>> You can sign up (it costs 100 USD) and send them in a DNA
>> sample and they will tell you the story of your family's journey
>> through time and location.
>>
>> The lineage traced is paternal (because the mutations they use
>> as markers are paternal ones) and in my case, I found that my
>> Dad's family, (whcih we always thought was 100% Italian) is
>> actually spread all around the Mediterranean with higher
>> percentages in Greece, and among Jews than Italians. We are
>> also significantly represented in Spain and are even in England
>> and Ireland from the Roman times. But the roots (so to speak)
>> of the family, and its highest representation today is in Africa...
>>
>> Who knew?
>>
>> It is about the coolest 100 bucks you can spend. It will also
>> teach you the profound difference between our socially-
>> derived concept of race, and how the genetics actually works.
>>
>> They are radically different...
>>
>> Highly recommended.
>>
>> DC
>>
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| Re: Genographic Project [message #85509 is a reply to message #85305] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 12:41 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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DC wrote:
> Yes!
>
> What's amazing is the complete revision genetics gives to the
> meaning of race.
>
> Because there are 5% M35 (my haplogroup) in the british isles from
> the Roman occupation, it is quite possible for a bigot of say, Irish
> descent, to have more in common genetically with the object of his
> hate than he has with those he thinks are his brothers...
>
> Racism is, and has always been, absurd.
No Shit! First of all we are spiritual beings, driving bodies.
Even if you thing we are just bodies, the skin color is only the top
64th of an inch. Duh.
Bill
>
> DC
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> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>> I think it would be hilarious to snag a glass that David Duke had used at
> a
>> restaurant, cop a DNA sample and and send him some evidence of his African
>
>> origins.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>> "DC" <dc@spammersinafrica.com> wrote in message news:46573062@linux...
>>> I've talked about this before, but I want to mention it again
>>> because it is just so darn cool.
>>>
>>> On this site
>>>
>>> https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
>>>
>>> You can sign up (it costs 100 USD) and send them in a DNA
>>> sample and they will tell you the story of your family's journey
>>> through time and location.
>>>
>>> The lineage traced is paternal (because the mutations they use
>>> as markers are paternal ones) and in my case, I found that my
>>> Dad's family, (whcih we always thought was 100% Italian) is
>>> actually spread all around the Mediterranean with higher
>>> percentages in Greece, and among Jews than Italians. We are
>>> also significantly represented in Spain and are even in England
>>> and Ireland from the Roman times. But the roots (so to speak)
>>> of the family, and its highest representation today is in Africa...
>>>
>>> Who knew?
>>>
>>> It is about the coolest 100 bucks you can spend. It will also
>>> teach you the profound difference between our socially-
>>> derived concept of race, and how the genetics actually works.
>>>
>>> They are radically different...
>>>
>>> Highly recommended.
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>
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