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| Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85326] |
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brandon[2]
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I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I have
been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and I noticed
something last night while settings up and doing an equipment check....There
is very noticable phasing on the mic
thru the monitoring headphones.
I got a 3ms latency.
I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as far as
they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant be
it.
I set my buffers back to 3ms.
I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt clock
locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings me
to another part of the quest...
Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu I thought
maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu and
same thing.
I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the master
clock.
No change.
I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
and no change.
I tried different microphones.
No change.
It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main outs/headphones.
I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled... But it
was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in case
and closed it again.
No change.
I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure there
was no processing...No Change.
It is very noticable on the headphones.
Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts of it
on recorded vocal material.
Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
B
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| Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85375 is a reply to message #85374] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 13:40  |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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DJ,
When I go to my MOTU device setup... I dont recall seeing anything about
direct monitoring, but there must be....
hmm...I will have to look around.. I might even have to get on the manual.
b
"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>guys,
>I forgot to mention that I had checked the ASIO driver.
>I am using the Motu ASIO driver.
>
>I swear that I can hear the phasing on recorded materials that I heard phasing
>on in the headphones while monitoring. Not just any old recorded track.
It
>might be my mind thinking it hears it because I am afraid that I am gonna
>hear it...know what I mean...Hmmm... If that is the case I am gonna try
thinking
>I hear an 1176..matby one will appear in my studio..(((making my Hiro Nokamora
>face >~( )))
>
>
>I used to have Direct Monitoring enabled...but if you recall one
>of my last problems was.... not being able to use VST plugs on live material
>or hear them in realtime on a track I was recording.
>The problem was Direct Monitoring. So that is why I disabled it.
>Which brings us to another problem...
>
>I tried enabling Direct Monioting just to test if that was the issue. Every
>time I would delect Direct Monitoring in the Decvice Setup Cubase would
crash.
>Why?
>It used to function fine.
>
>???
>thx
>b
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you
will
>>hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due to
>the
>>uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion. As
>to
>>hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
>>like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
>>in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?
>>
>>Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
>>monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set your
>>system for ASIO direct monitoring.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I
have
>>> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
>>> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and I
>>> noticed
>>> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
>>> check....There
>>> is very noticable phasing on the mic
>>> thru the monitoring headphones.
>>> I got a 3ms latency.
>>> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as far
>as
>>> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant
>be
>>> it.
>>> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
>>> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt clock
>>> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings
>me
>>> to another part of the quest...
>>> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu I
>
>>> thought
>>> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu
>and
>>> same thing.
>>> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the master
>>> clock.
>>> No change.
>>> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
>>> and no change.
>>> I tried different microphones.
>>> No change.
>>> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main
>
>>> outs/headphones.
>>> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled... But
>it
>>> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in
case
>>> and closed it again.
>>> No change.
>>> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
>>> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure
>
>>> there
>>> was no processing...No Change.
>>> It is very noticable on the headphones.
>>> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts of
>it
>>> on recorded vocal material.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85391 is a reply to message #85375] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 18:52 |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
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Do you have MOTU CueMix Console?
Gene
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>DJ,
>When I go to my MOTU device setup... I dont recall seeing anything about
>direct monitoring, but there must be....
>hmm...I will have to look around.. I might even have to get on the manual.
>
>b
>
>
>
>
>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>guys,
>>I forgot to mention that I had checked the ASIO driver.
>>I am using the Motu ASIO driver.
>>
>>I swear that I can hear the phasing on recorded materials that I heard
phasing
>>on in the headphones while monitoring. Not just any old recorded track.
>It
>>might be my mind thinking it hears it because I am afraid that I am gonna
>>hear it...know what I mean...Hmmm... If that is the case I am gonna try
>thinking
>>I hear an 1176..matby one will appear in my studio..(((making my Hiro Nokamora
>>face >~( )))
>>
>>
>>I used to have Direct Monitoring enabled...but if you recall one
>>of my last problems was.... not being able to use VST plugs on live material
>>or hear them in realtime on a track I was recording.
>>The problem was Direct Monitoring. So that is why I disabled it.
>>Which brings us to another problem...
>>
>>I tried enabling Direct Monioting just to test if that was the issue. Every
>>time I would delect Direct Monitoring in the Decvice Setup Cubase would
>crash.
>>Why?
>>It used to function fine.
>>
>>???
>>thx
>>b
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you
>will
>>>hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due to
>>the
>>>uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion.
As
>>to
>>>hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
>>>like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
>>>in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?
>>>
>>>Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
>>>monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set your
>>>system for ASIO direct monitoring.
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I
>have
>>>> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
>>>> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and I
>
>>>> noticed
>>>> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
>>>> check....There
>>>> is very noticable phasing on the mic
>>>> thru the monitoring headphones.
>>>> I got a 3ms latency.
>>>> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as far
>>as
>>>> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant
>>be
>>>> it.
>>>> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
>>>> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt
clock
>>>> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings
>>me
>>>> to another part of the quest...
>>>> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu
I
>>
>>>> thought
>>>> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu
>>and
>>>> same thing.
>>>> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the master
>>>> clock.
>>>> No change.
>>>> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
>>>> and no change.
>>>> I tried different microphones.
>>>> No change.
>>>> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main
>>
>>>> outs/headphones.
>>>> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled... But
>>it
>>>> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in
>case
>>>> and closed it again.
>>>> No change.
>>>> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
>>>> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure
>>
>>>> there
>>>> was no processing...No Change.
>>>> It is very noticable on the headphones.
>>>> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts of
>>it
>>>> on recorded vocal material.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85393 is a reply to message #85391] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 19:27 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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Gene,
I believe so.
b
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>Do you have MOTU CueMix Console?
>Gene
>
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>DJ,
>>When I go to my MOTU device setup... I dont recall seeing anything about
>>direct monitoring, but there must be....
>>hmm...I will have to look around.. I might even have to get on the manual.
>>
>>b
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>guys,
>>>I forgot to mention that I had checked the ASIO driver.
>>>I am using the Motu ASIO driver.
>>>
>>>I swear that I can hear the phasing on recorded materials that I heard
>phasing
>>>on in the headphones while monitoring. Not just any old recorded track.
>>It
>>>might be my mind thinking it hears it because I am afraid that I am gonna
>>>hear it...know what I mean...Hmmm... If that is the case I am gonna try
>>thinking
>>>I hear an 1176..matby one will appear in my studio..(((making my Hiro
Nokamora
>>>face >~( )))
>>>
>>>
>>>I used to have Direct Monitoring enabled...but if you recall one
>>>of my last problems was.... not being able to use VST plugs on live material
>>>or hear them in realtime on a track I was recording.
>>>The problem was Direct Monitoring. So that is why I disabled it.
>>>Which brings us to another problem...
>>>
>>>I tried enabling Direct Monioting just to test if that was the issue.
Every
>>>time I would delect Direct Monitoring in the Decvice Setup Cubase would
>>crash.
>>>Why?
>>>It used to function fine.
>>>
>>>???
>>>thx
>>>b
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you
>>will
>>>>hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due
to
>>>the
>>>>uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion.
>As
>>>to
>>>>hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
>>>>like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
>>>>in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?
>>>>
>>>>Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
>>>>monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set your
>>>>system for ASIO direct monitoring.
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I
>>have
>>>>> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
>>>>> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and
I
>>
>>>>> noticed
>>>>> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
>>>>> check....There
>>>>> is very noticable phasing on the mic
>>>>> thru the monitoring headphones.
>>>>> I got a 3ms latency.
>>>>> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as
far
>>>as
>>>>> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant
>>>be
>>>>> it.
>>>>> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
>>>>> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt
>clock
>>>>> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings
>>>me
>>>>> to another part of the quest...
>>>>> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu
>I
>>>
>>>>> thought
>>>>> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu
>>>and
>>>>> same thing.
>>>>> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the
master
>>>>> clock.
>>>>> No change.
>>>>> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
>>>>> and no change.
>>>>> I tried different microphones.
>>>>> No change.
>>>>> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main
>>>
>>>>> outs/headphones.
>>>>> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled...
But
>>>it
>>>>> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in
>>case
>>>>> and closed it again.
>>>>> No change.
>>>>> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
>>>>> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure
>>>
>>>>> there
>>>>> was no processing...No Change.
>>>>> It is very noticable on the headphones.
>>>>> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts
of
>>>it
>>>>> on recorded vocal material.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85396 is a reply to message #85393] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 19:39 |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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CuMix is a software console that allows zero (actually a few samples of delay)
latency monitoring using MOTU hardware. I use it with Digital Performer,
which controls it automatically. You should have a detailed manual that came
with the MOTU I/O box or the upgraded PCI card (if you have a new 424). This
is how you get rid of the recording delay, but not while using VST plugins.
Gene
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>Gene,
>I believe so.
>
>b
>
>
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Do you have MOTU CueMix Console?
>>Gene
>>
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>DJ,
>>>When I go to my MOTU device setup... I dont recall seeing anything about
>>>direct monitoring, but there must be....
>>>hmm...I will have to look around.. I might even have to get on the manual.
>>>
>>>b
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>guys,
>>>>I forgot to mention that I had checked the ASIO driver.
>>>>I am using the Motu ASIO driver.
>>>>
>>>>I swear that I can hear the phasing on recorded materials that I heard
>>phasing
>>>>on in the headphones while monitoring. Not just any old recorded track.
>>>It
>>>>might be my mind thinking it hears it because I am afraid that I am gonna
>>>>hear it...know what I mean...Hmmm... If that is the case I am gonna try
>>>thinking
>>>>I hear an 1176..matby one will appear in my studio..(((making my Hiro
>Nokamora
>>>>face >~( )))
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I used to have Direct Monitoring enabled...but if you recall one
>>>>of my last problems was.... not being able to use VST plugs on live material
>>>>or hear them in realtime on a track I was recording.
>>>>The problem was Direct Monitoring. So that is why I disabled it.
>>>>Which brings us to another problem...
>>>>
>>>>I tried enabling Direct Monioting just to test if that was the issue.
>Every
>>>>time I would delect Direct Monitoring in the Decvice Setup Cubase would
>>>crash.
>>>>Why?
>>>>It used to function fine.
>>>>
>>>>???
>>>>thx
>>>>b
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you
>>>will
>>>>>hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due
>to
>>>>the
>>>>>uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion.
>>As
>>>>to
>>>>>hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
>>>>>like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
>>>>>in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?
>>>>>
>>>>>Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
>>>>>monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set
your
>>>>>system for ASIO direct monitoring.
>>>>>
>>>>>Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I
>>>have
>>>>>> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
>>>>>> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and
>I
>>>
>>>>>> noticed
>>>>>> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
>>>>>> check....There
>>>>>> is very noticable phasing on the mic
>>>>>> thru the monitoring headphones.
>>>>>> I got a 3ms latency.
>>>>>> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as
>far
>>>>as
>>>>>> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that
cant
>>>>be
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
>>>>>> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt
>>clock
>>>>>> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings
>>>>me
>>>>>> to another part of the quest...
>>>>>> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu
>
>>I
>>>>
>>>>>> thought
>>>>>> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu
>>>>and
>>>>>> same thing.
>>>>>> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the
>master
>>>>>> clock.
>>>>>> No change.
>>>>>> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
>>>>>> and no change.
>>>>>> I tried different microphones.
>>>>>> No change.
>>>>>> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main
>>>>
>>>>>> outs/headphones.
>>>>>> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled...
>But
>>>>it
>>>>>> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just
in
>>>case
>>>>>> and closed it again.
>>>>>> No change.
>>>>>> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
>>>>>> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure
>>>>
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> was no processing...No Change.
>>>>>> It is very noticable on the headphones.
>>>>>> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts
>of
>>>>it
>>>>>> on recorded vocal material.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85444 is a reply to message #85375] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 16:09 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Senior Member |
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HI Brandon,
If you are not using direct monitoring then have to make absolutely sure
you are not monitoring the source in the MOTU cure mix or anywhere else
other than the Cubase. If you are then you getting the original dry
hardware sound mixed with the delayed software. If you are then no
matter how low your latency is there will be some phasing or echo.
Chris
Brandon wrote:
> DJ,
> When I go to my MOTU device setup... I dont recall seeing anything about
> direct monitoring, but there must be....
> hmm...I will have to look around.. I might even have to get on the manual.
>
> b
>
>
>
>
> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>> guys,
>> I forgot to mention that I had checked the ASIO driver.
>> I am using the Motu ASIO driver.
>>
>> I swear that I can hear the phasing on recorded materials that I heard phasing
>> on in the headphones while monitoring. Not just any old recorded track.
>>
> It
>
>> might be my mind thinking it hears it because I am afraid that I am gonna
>> hear it...know what I mean...Hmmm... If that is the case I am gonna try
>>
> thinking
>
>> I hear an 1176..matby one will appear in my studio..(((making my Hiro Nokamora
>> face >~( )))
>>
>>
>> I used to have Direct Monitoring enabled...but if you recall one
>> of my last problems was.... not being able to use VST plugs on live material
>> or hear them in realtime on a track I was recording.
>> The problem was Direct Monitoring. So that is why I disabled it.
>> Which brings us to another problem...
>>
>> I tried enabling Direct Monioting just to test if that was the issue. Every
>> time I would delect Direct Monitoring in the Decvice Setup Cubase would
>>
> crash.
>
>> Why?
>> It used to function fine.
>>
>> ???
>> thx
>> b
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you
>>>
> will
>
>>> hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due to
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion. As
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
>>> like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
>>> in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?
>>>
>>> Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
>>> monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set your
>>> system for ASIO direct monitoring.
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>>>
>>>> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I
>>>>
> have
>
>>>> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
>>>> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and I
>>>>
>
>
>>>> noticed
>>>> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
>>>> check....There
>>>> is very noticable phasing on the mic
>>>> thru the monitoring headphones.
>>>> I got a 3ms latency.
>>>> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as far
>>>>
>> as
>>
>>>> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant
>>>>
>> be
>>
>>>> it.
>>>> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
>>>> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt clock
>>>> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings
>>>>
>> me
>>
>>>> to another part of the quest...
>>>> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu I
>>>>
>>>> thought
>>>> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu
>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>> same thing.
>>>> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the master
>>>> clock.
>>>> No change.
>>>> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
>>>> and no change.
>>>> I tried different microphones.
>>>> No change.
>>>> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main
>>>>
>>>> outs/headphones.
>>>> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled... But
>>>>
>> it
>>
>>>> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in
>>>>
> case
>
>>>> and closed it again.
>>>> No change.
>>>> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
>>>> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure
>>>>
>>>> there
>>>> was no processing...No Change.
>>>> It is very noticable on the headphones.
>>>> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts of
>>>>
>> it
>>
>>>> on recorded vocal material.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
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| Re: Cubasers... I got a problem PLEASE HELP!! [message #85448 is a reply to message #85444] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 19:46 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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Guys,
Direct Monitoring is controlled by cubase on the Motu 8pre.
I got it working again.
The problem I had is you cant have a project open and switch direct monitoring
on and off willy nilly. With no project open I had no problem enabling direct
monitoring.
I got it working... I think that may have fixed the phasing, but
now I swear thru the CueMix Console the signal sounds...muddy..bassy...not
well defined.
Hmm... I will have to mess with it some more.
I am testing it thru a SM57 and a CAD LDC tube mic.
I did get the talk back function working which is cool.
I will have to get one of those nifty lapel mics or cheap computer mics to
install on my console for talk back.
So now back to the situation of getting some verb or other effects on the
live monitored sound?
How are you guys handling this?
Am I the only one who likes to record this way or what?
It really help me get into the mood of the performance when I juice up the
live feed a bit with effects that fit what I am trying to do...it isnt what
I end up keeping , but it help with the mood.
thx
b
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Brandon,
>If you are not using direct monitoring then have to make absolutely sure
>you are not monitoring the source in the MOTU cure mix or anywhere else
>other than the Cubase. If you are then you getting the original dry
>hardware sound mixed with the delayed software. If you are then no
>matter how low your latency is there will be some phasing or echo.
>
>Chris
>
>
>Brandon wrote:
>> DJ,
>> When I go to my MOTU device setup... I dont recall seeing anything about
>> direct monitoring, but there must be....
>> hmm...I will have to look around.. I might even have to get on the manual.
>>
>> b
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>> guys,
>>> I forgot to mention that I had checked the ASIO driver.
>>> I am using the Motu ASIO driver.
>>>
>>> I swear that I can hear the phasing on recorded materials that I heard
phasing
>>> on in the headphones while monitoring. Not just any old recorded track.
>>>
>> It
>>
>>> might be my mind thinking it hears it because I am afraid that I am gonna
>>> hear it...know what I mean...Hmmm... If that is the case I am gonna try
>>>
>> thinking
>>
>>> I hear an 1176..matby one will appear in my studio..(((making my Hiro
Nokamora
>>> face >~( )))
>>>
>>>
>>> I used to have Direct Monitoring enabled...but if you recall one
>>> of my last problems was.... not being able to use VST plugs on live material
>>> or hear them in realtime on a track I was recording.
>>> The problem was Direct Monitoring. So that is why I disabled it.
>>> Which brings us to another problem...
>>>
>>> I tried enabling Direct Monioting just to test if that was the issue.
Every
>>> time I would delect Direct Monitoring in the Decvice Setup Cubase would
>>>
>> crash.
>>
>>> Why?
>>> It used to function fine.
>>>
>>> ???
>>> thx
>>> b
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You need to be using ASIO direct monitoring. Even at 1.5ms latency you
>>>>
>> will
>>
>>>> hear some phasing because you are not only getting 1.5ms latency due
to
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> uffers, you are also getting around 1.5ms with your AD/DA conversion.
As
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> hearing this on previously recorded material, I don't know,but it sounds
>>>> like you've got some kind of loop with the recorded tracks being monitored
>>>> in the record enabled track. Ain't native fun?
>>>>
>>>> Go to your control panel for you audio hardware and make sure ASIO direct
>>>> monitoring is enabled. then, in cubase, go to Device Setup and .set
your
>>>> system for ASIO direct monitoring.
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:465821a2$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if this just started or if it has always been there...I
>>>>>
>> have
>>
>>>>> been more focused or learning Cubase than listening to Cubase.
>>>>> We are recording the Vox over those Nylon guitars this morning and
I
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>> noticed
>>>>> something last night while settings up and doing an equipment
>>>>> check....There
>>>>> is very noticable phasing on the mic
>>>>> thru the monitoring headphones.
>>>>> I got a 3ms latency.
>>>>> I thought man...am I hearing that? So I bumped the buffers down as
far
>>>>>
>>> as
>>>
>>>>> they can go..to 1ms..I could still hear it just the same. So that cant
>>>>>
>>> be
>>>
>>>>> it.
>>>>> I set my buffers back to 3ms.
>>>>> I noticed some popping too which turned out to be my presonus wasnt
clock
>>>>> locked to my motu. After I clock locked it no more pops. Which brings
>>>>>
>>> me
>>>
>>>>> to another part of the quest...
>>>>> Initially I was running the mic thru the Presonus--ADAT out---Motu
I
>>>>>
>>>>> thought
>>>>> maybe the Presonus is doing this....so I plugged directly to the Motu
>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>> same thing.
>>>>> I tried using the Motu as the master clock and the presonus as the
master
>>>>> clock.
>>>>> No change.
>>>>> I twiddled with every setting I could find in Cubase that looked related
>>>>> and no change.
>>>>> I tried different microphones.
>>>>> No change.
>>>>> It sounds like there are two identical signals being sent to the main
>>>>>
>>>>> outs/headphones.
>>>>> I thought hmmm maybe the Direct monitoring was some how enabled...
But
>>>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>>> was disabled and I opened Cue Mix and disabled the main outs just in
>>>>>
>> case
>>
>>>>> and closed it again.
>>>>> No change.
>>>>> I am sarting to think the Motu is defective.
>>>>> I tried opening a new project and adding an audio track so I was sure
>>>>>
>>>>> there
>>>>> was no processing...No Change.
>>>>> It is very noticable on the headphones.
>>>>> Not as noticable during playback, but I swear I can hear artifacts
of
>>>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>>> on recorded vocal material.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have a clue what this might be?
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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