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Tue, 17 January 2006 22:04  |
Neil
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First off, I should state that I like the RME convertors in my
Multiface because of their transparency & shall we
say: "cleanliness", but I recently picked up an i/o card for my
ISA428, wherein I can either use the pre's in that or go direct
line-in from another source, then SPDIF or lightpipe out to the
RME & into the DAW from there. I just finished a mix where I
tracked everything through the ISA (just to kinda compare with
other stuff I've done using solely the RME's) & lightpiped into
the RME, and I'm sitting there grooving on it, and
thinking "Hey, this sounds pretty damn good!".
Then I pull up another song in a somewhat similar vein that I
had tracked completely through the Multiface - one that I had
thought was also sounding pretty good - and I was shocked.
Total, complete, utter crap compared to the ISA convertors!!!
Now, in listeneing to a different song that was tracked through
the RME's, yet wasn't quite as hard-rock-ish, stood up really
well when compared to the song tracked through the ISA
convertors, but for the bigger, richer, harder-edged stuff,
there was no comparison - it was like night and day (and now I'm
depressed because this, of course, means I have to retrack
everything on the new CD, using the ISA convertors LOL).
Just an FYI for anyone looking at a new front end; There are 8
in's on the ISA 428 (4 mic pre/line-in/instrument-in channels,
and 4 separate line-in's), and if you get the optional i/o card
you can send 8 channels out through the digital outputs at
44.1k, and 4 channels out at 88.2k or higher.
If I can get permission from the copyright holder to post a
clip so you can hear what I'm talking about, I'll do it.
Neil
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| Re: OH... MY... GOD... (re: convertors) [message #63289 is a reply to message #63285] |
Tue, 17 January 2006 23:01  |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
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Yep... the converter card is on the short list for my 428!
David.
Neil wrote:
> First off, I should state that I like the RME convertors in my
> Multiface because of their transparency & shall we
> say: "cleanliness", but I recently picked up an i/o card for my
> ISA428, wherein I can either use the pre's in that or go direct
> line-in from another source, then SPDIF or lightpipe out to the
> RME & into the DAW from there. I just finished a mix where I
> tracked everything through the ISA (just to kinda compare with
> other stuff I've done using solely the RME's) & lightpiped into
> the RME, and I'm sitting there grooving on it, and
> thinking "Hey, this sounds pretty damn good!".
>
> Then I pull up another song in a somewhat similar vein that I
> had tracked completely through the Multiface - one that I had
> thought was also sounding pretty good - and I was shocked.
> Total, complete, utter crap compared to the ISA convertors!!!
>
> Now, in listeneing to a different song that was tracked through
> the RME's, yet wasn't quite as hard-rock-ish, stood up really
> well when compared to the song tracked through the ISA
> convertors, but for the bigger, richer, harder-edged stuff,
> there was no comparison - it was like night and day (and now I'm
> depressed because this, of course, means I have to retrack
> everything on the new CD, using the ISA convertors LOL).
>
> Just an FYI for anyone looking at a new front end; There are 8
> in's on the ISA 428 (4 mic pre/line-in/instrument-in channels,
> and 4 separate line-in's), and if you get the optional i/o card
> you can send 8 channels out through the digital outputs at
> 44.1k, and 4 channels out at 88.2k or higher.
>
> If I can get permission from the copyright holder to post a
> clip so you can hear what I'm talking about, I'll do it.
>
> Neil
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| Re: OH... MY... GOD... (re: convertors) [message #63296 is a reply to message #63285] |
Wed, 18 January 2006 02:17 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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just a question...are you listening to both mixes each through the
same converters? i only ask due to my belief that the only difference
lies in the da conversion as all the ad's do is write the 1's and 0's
describing the event. i've done comparisons here with the rme, paris
and lynx converters; the differences disappear when the material
recorded on each is played back through any of the 3 mentioned. to
me, it's kind of like playing an lp on different turntables and
attributing the difference in the sound to the lp itself.
On 18 Jan 2006 16:04:55 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@IOU.com> wrote:
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>First off, I should state that I like the RME convertors in my
>Multiface because of their transparency & shall we
>say: "cleanliness", but I recently picked up an i/o card for my
>ISA428, wherein I can either use the pre's in that or go direct
>line-in from another source, then SPDIF or lightpipe out to the
>RME & into the DAW from there. I just finished a mix where I
>tracked everything through the ISA (just to kinda compare with
>other stuff I've done using solely the RME's) & lightpiped into
>the RME, and I'm sitting there grooving on it, and
>thinking "Hey, this sounds pretty damn good!".
>
>Then I pull up another song in a somewhat similar vein that I
>had tracked completely through the Multiface - one that I had
>thought was also sounding pretty good - and I was shocked.
>Total, complete, utter crap compared to the ISA convertors!!!
>
>Now, in listeneing to a different song that was tracked through
>the RME's, yet wasn't quite as hard-rock-ish, stood up really
>well when compared to the song tracked through the ISA
>convertors, but for the bigger, richer, harder-edged stuff,
>there was no comparison - it was like night and day (and now I'm
>depressed because this, of course, means I have to retrack
>everything on the new CD, using the ISA convertors LOL).
>
>Just an FYI for anyone looking at a new front end; There are 8
>in's on the ISA 428 (4 mic pre/line-in/instrument-in channels,
>and 4 separate line-in's), and if you get the optional i/o card
>you can send 8 channels out through the digital outputs at
>44.1k, and 4 channels out at 88.2k or higher.
>
>If I can get permission from the copyright holder to post a
>clip so you can hear what I'm talking about, I'll do it.
>
>Neil
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| Re: OH... MY... GOD... (re: convertors) [message #63300 is a reply to message #63296] |
Wed, 18 January 2006 06:39 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Rick, yes I was listening to both through the RME convertors -
the ISA card does not have a direct PCI interface, so in my
case, the RME's still serve as the output to the monitors, no
matter what.
Neil
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>just a question...are you listening to both mixes each through the
>same converters? i only ask due to my belief that the only difference
>lies in the da conversion as all the ad's do is write the 1's and 0's
>describing the event. i've done comparisons here with the rme, paris
>and lynx converters; the differences disappear when the material
>recorded on each is played back through any of the 3 mentioned. to
>me, it's kind of like playing an lp on different turntables and
>attributing the difference in the sound to the lp itself.
>
>
>
>On 18 Jan 2006 16:04:55 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@IOU.com> wrote:
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>>
>>First off, I should state that I like the RME convertors in my
>>Multiface because of their transparency & shall we
>>say: "cleanliness", but I recently picked up an i/o card for my
>>ISA428, wherein I can either use the pre's in that or go direct
>>line-in from another source, then SPDIF or lightpipe out to the
>>RME & into the DAW from there. I just finished a mix where I
>>tracked everything through the ISA (just to kinda compare with
>>other stuff I've done using solely the RME's) & lightpiped into
>>the RME, and I'm sitting there grooving on it, and
>>thinking "Hey, this sounds pretty damn good!".
>>
>>Then I pull up another song in a somewhat similar vein that I
>>had tracked completely through the Multiface - one that I had
>>thought was also sounding pretty good - and I was shocked.
>>Total, complete, utter crap compared to the ISA convertors!!!
>>
>>Now, in listeneing to a different song that was tracked through
>>the RME's, yet wasn't quite as hard-rock-ish, stood up really
>>well when compared to the song tracked through the ISA
>>convertors, but for the bigger, richer, harder-edged stuff,
>>there was no comparison - it was like night and day (and now I'm
>>depressed because this, of course, means I have to retrack
>>everything on the new CD, using the ISA convertors LOL).
>>
>>Just an FYI for anyone looking at a new front end; There are 8
>>in's on the ISA 428 (4 mic pre/line-in/instrument-in channels,
>>and 4 separate line-in's), and if you get the optional i/o card
>>you can send 8 channels out through the digital outputs at
>>44.1k, and 4 channels out at 88.2k or higher.
>>
>>If I can get permission from the copyright holder to post a
>>clip so you can hear what I'm talking about, I'll do it.
>>
>>Neil
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| Re: OH... MY... GOD... (re: convertors) CLIPS POSTED! [message #63352 is a reply to message #63300] |
Wed, 18 January 2006 20:04 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
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OK, I was able to get permission from the copyright owner to
post these temporarily. Just to give you a quickie background
on how these came to pass, Anubis Spire is a Progressive band
from upstate New York, and they apparently have a pretty big
cult following... big enough, in fact, to where a NYC-based
indie label is doing an Anubis Spire Tribute CD. BTW, Anubis
Spire's music comprised a good part of the soundtrack to the
documentary DVD: "Led Zeppelin, the making of a Supergroup" (in
Europe, it's disctributed under the title: "Led Zeppelin, the
making of a Legend"); the folks behind the DVD wanted to use
music from artists that had been influenced by Led Zeppelin, as
opposed to using actual Zep tunes.... who knows - could've been
a licensing problem, but whatever.
In any event, I'm doing two of the songs on the tribute CD, and
you can check out the clips here:
http://www.saqqararecords.com/images/Clip-DramaTraumaAndAwkw ardGrace.mp3
http://www.saqqararecords.com/images/Clip-UnderneathTheRoswe llSun.mp3
Or if theose links come apart, just go to this page & look
right at the top:
http://www.saqqararecords.com/html/Misc%20Audio.htm
I know a number of you guys have heard my stuff before, so check
the difference between what you've heard vs. these new
convertors I was mentioning... I think these are MUCH nicer for
this style of music.
Neil
"Neil" <IUOI@IOU.com> wrote:
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>Rick, yes I was listening to both through the RME convertors -
>the ISA card does not have a direct PCI interface, so in my
>case, the RME's still serve as the output to the monitors, no
>matter what.
>
>Neil
>
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>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>just a question...are you listening to both mixes each through the
>>same converters? i only ask due to my belief that the only difference
>>lies in the da conversion as all the ad's do is write the 1's and 0's
>>describing the event. i've done comparisons here with the rme, paris
>>and lynx converters; the differences disappear when the material
>>recorded on each is played back through any of the 3 mentioned. to
>>me, it's kind of like playing an lp on different turntables and
>>attributing the difference in the sound to the lp itself.
>>
>>
>>
>>On 18 Jan 2006 16:04:55 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@IOU.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>First off, I should state that I like the RME convertors in my
>>>Multiface because of their transparency & shall we
>>>say: "cleanliness", but I recently picked up an i/o card for my
>>>ISA428, wherein I can either use the pre's in that or go direct
>>>line-in from another source, then SPDIF or lightpipe out to the
>>>RME & into the DAW from there. I just finished a mix where I
>>>tracked everything through the ISA (just to kinda compare with
>>>other stuff I've done using solely the RME's) & lightpiped into
>>>the RME, and I'm sitting there grooving on it, and
>>>thinking "Hey, this sounds pretty damn good!".
>>>
>>>Then I pull up another song in a somewhat similar vein that I
>>>had tracked completely through the Multiface - one that I had
>>>thought was also sounding pretty good - and I was shocked.
>>>Total, complete, utter crap compared to the ISA convertors!!!
>>>
>>>Now, in listeneing to a different song that was tracked through
>>>the RME's, yet wasn't quite as hard-rock-ish, stood up really
>>>well when compared to the song tracked through the ISA
>>>convertors, but for the bigger, richer, harder-edged stuff,
>>>there was no comparison - it was like night and day (and now I'm
>>>depressed because this, of course, means I have to retrack
>>>everything on the new CD, using the ISA convertors LOL).
>>>
>>>Just an FYI for anyone looking at a new front end; There are 8
>>>in's on the ISA 428 (4 mic pre/line-in/instrument-in channels,
>>>and 4 separate line-in's), and if you get the optional i/o card
>>>you can send 8 channels out through the digital outputs at
>>>44.1k, and 4 channels out at 88.2k or higher.
>>>
>>>If I can get permission from the copyright holder to post a
>>>clip so you can hear what I'm talking about, I'll do it.
>>>
>>>Neil
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