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editing across submixes ? [message #62435]

Wed, 04 January 2006 18:02

John [1]

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> effectiveness of the=20
process though.

Another way to get it to sound more present is to double
compress the track with comps in series but only reducing by 2 or 3db =
each.
Sometimes a third comp is needed along with level automation. The =
idea
is to not hear pumping but have a fairly steady state level to the =
vocal.
This will allow you to get it to ride on top of the mix without =
jumping out
to bite you.
"RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:43bc7a43@linux...
Trying to get lead vocals to jump out of the mix and I remember a =
trick
listed somewhere telling you to copy a vocal track to a different =
track, pan
tracks left and right, then reverse the phase on the second track =
and slowly
bring the fader on the second track to meet the other track fader at =
0.
Seemed to work, but t

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Re: editing across submixes ? [message #62477 is a reply to message #62435]

Thu, 05 January 2006 03:56

Don Nafe

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mes leackage is an
>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>Regards,
>DimitriosYeah, but then I can't be like DJ. :o(
Rod
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Even if it doesn't, RAID SATA controller cards are cheap now, and work great

>if you have an open PCI slot.
>AA
>
>"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:43bcb15d$1@linux...
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I got Ivory going today also...and echo DJ's sentiment. Sounds
>>>great...absolutly
>>>great. I, unfortunatly, don't have a dual core system (I think it's about
>>>1.6 gig, single core amd 64)and 1 gig of ram. It's on the verge of being
>>>OK, but on the higher layer patches, it causes some glitches in the
>>>system.
>>>I could probably live with it if it was for me, but I'm hoping to put

>>>together
>>>a rig that I can advetise as an alternative to studio's with a r

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Re: editing across submixes ? [message #62480 is a reply to message #62477]

Thu, 05 January 2006 04:21

John [1]

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e
>news:43bcc939$1@linux...
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Even if it doesn't, RAID SATA controller cards are cheap now, and work

>>>great
>>
>>>if you have an open PCI slot.
>>>AA
>> Open PCI slot- Whats that? :-)
>> g
>
>Thanks for the info. Based on on what I've heard here, I'm going to tell him
about the Mackie Onyx and the Focusrite with the adat card...I think.
Rod
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Yeah, avoid that LT man.. cheap hardware, inconsistent volumes across it
and
>just generally felt shoddy.
>I'd take a Behr ADA8000 over it 'any day' to be honest, and it's a whole
lot
>less money.
>Not sure what the current recommend is though bro, I've been out of that

>market for a while now and I'd hate to mislead ya.
>
>AA
>
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:43bc0147$1@linux...
>>
>> I've got a friend/client who's looking for an 8 channel mic pre that has

>> lightpipe/spdif
>> outs. He's running a digi 002 rig and wants to bypass the digi A/D stage.
>> He wants it to be good, but affordability is a concern. He was looking
a
>> a presonus digimax LT, but I saw that Aaron had some experience with those
>> and wasn't that hot on them.

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Re: editing across submixes ? [message #62481 is a reply to message #62477]

Thu, 05 January 2006 05:37

Rod Lincoln
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/> >> Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into the Digi 002.
>> Any suggestions?
>> TIA
>> Rod
>
>Holy crap, that Steinway sounds nice! I wish I could just buy the Steinway
to save a little cash. For my style I wouldn't use the Bose or the Yammy
much. My beef about most sampled pianos is that usually bright and punchy
pianos are sampled. It's not to often that something warm and woody like
a Setinway is done, at least from what I have casually run across. I am
listening to the Traumerei file and tears are forming in my eye...

sniff.
-Chris

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm absolutely floored by this VSTi. It literally sounds like there is a
>Steinway D sitting right here in my control room. I'm not a keyboard player,
>but this thing may inspire me to go there. I'm flabbergasted!! Another big
>surprise was that it's not a huge resource hog as I had expected. It uses
a
>lot of RAM, but they warn you about that upfront. As far as CPU usage goes,
>it's a pussycat. I've got my RME buffers set at 64k and I'm streaming BFD
>grooves and simultaneously playing the Bosendorfer mofofromhell piano with
>the most sample layers and expression options enabled with the sustain pedal
>working overtime and my dual core 64 4200+ CPU is hitting around 8-9% (with
>1.35G of RAM being utilized for both VSTi's, Cubase SX and the system. Glad
>I've got 4G of RAM though. The 7200 RPM dedicated HD is having no problems
>with this at all. I was thinking that I might need to go to a SATA RAID
>array in order to get this app to function correctly. If you're looking
for
>a VSTi piano, thi

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Re: editing across submixes ? [message #62488 is a reply to message #62481]

Thu, 05 January 2006 05:16

John [1]

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fixes the problem...but first I have to clean
out the music room of all our "hide shit for chrstmas" stuff so I can
actually try this.

;-)

And just to confirm - the automation moves along with the edits

DonYou should be able to crossfade all tracks at once with no problem. I don't
think I've ever had a crash from that. I'd say up you cash. I usually use
i/o=128 cache=128 overview=21000
either that, or 62 62 8192.
And..yes. Automation moves with insert/delete, but it's not undo-able, so
save your project first.
Rod
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>
>> 6. Keep in mind that you can crossfade all tracks in an Editor at once.
>> Using this method, Paris can make a seamless multitrack edit pretty dang
>>
>> quick.
>
>
>That's where I find Paris crashes on me but I'll try upping the cache as

>Aaron suggested to see if that fixes the problem...but first I have to clean

>out the music room of all our "hide shit for chrstmas" stuff so I can
>actually try this.
>
>;-)
>
>And just to confirm - the automation moves along with the edits
>
>
>Don
>
>> know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.

Yes there is a big difference. The VLZpro series is where Mackie rose
high on the radar of the pro user for quality, usefullness and bang for
the buck mic pre. Of course, you gotta use the insert out via first click
method and avoid the channel.

Regards,

El Miguel

"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> Don't know...I just asked him what he used, and that's what he said. I
didn't
> know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
> Rod
> "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

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Thu, 05 January 2006 08:13

Rod Lincoln
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igi 002 rig and wants to bypass the digi A/D
> >stage.
> >> > He wants it to be good, but affordability is a concern. He was
looking
> a
> >> > a presonus digimax LT, but I saw that Aaron had some experience with
> >those
> >> > and wasn't that hot on them.
> >> > Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into the Digi 002.
> >> > Any suggestions?
> >> > TIA
> >> > Rod
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and
the software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input?
I'm not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you
get all the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage
from the trigger into something useful?

jef

Dimitrios wrote:

>Hi and happy new year.
>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these reliable
>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more complicated.
>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive drumagog
>perfectly (if you can say that)
>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is an
>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>From what I've heard, the Onyx pre's are a pretty big step up from the
VLZpro. I've had non-VLZ, VLZ, and VLZpro Mackie boards, and though the
VLZpro pre's where much better, they still had a "harshness" to them that I
didn't care for. The Onyx are supposed to be much smoother sounding. I'll
have to borrow my friends for a week so I can comment from first hand
knowledge.

Tony

"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43bd4431@linux...
>> know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
>
>
> Yes there is a big difference. The VLZpro series is where Mackie rose
> high on the radar of the pro user for quality, usefullness and bang for
> the buck mic pre. Of course, you gotta use the insert out via first click
> method and avoid the channel.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> El Miguel
>
>
>
>
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:43bd177a$1@linux...
>>
>> Don't know...I just asked him what he used, and that's what he said. I
> didn't
>> know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
>> Rod
>> "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> > Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into the Digi 002.
>> >> > Any suggestions?
>> >
>> >
>> >Is this Mackie the VLZpro series?
>> >I don't know how the new Onyx pres compare.
&

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Re: editing across submixes ? [message #62492 is a reply to message #62490]

Thu, 05 January 2006 07:31

Don Nafe

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who's looking for an 8 channel mic pre that
>> has
>> >> > lightpipe/spdif
>> >> > outs. He's running a digi 002 rig and wants to bypass the digi A/D
>> >stage.
>> >> > He wants it to be good, but affordability is a concern. He was
> looking
>> a
>> >> > a presonus digimax LT, but I saw that Aaron had some experience with
>> >those
>> >> > and wasn't that hot on them.
>> >> > Right now his chain is a Mackie 140

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Thu, 05 January 2006 08:52

Rod Lincoln
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2 vlz into the Digi 002.
>> >> > Any suggestions?
>> >> > TIA
>> >> > Rod
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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I was kinda suspicious at the price-to-picture-on-the-website
ratio...think i'll stick with my dvx-110a's for now...lol

James McCloskey wrote:

>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
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>>http://www.thinksecret.com/news/finalcut6.html
>>
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>
>I wanta get me a couple of these new fancy 4K cameras, they only cost 200K.
> Ya think they'll have em on sale soon at Best Buy???
>
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Thu, 05 January 2006 08:25

Don Nafe

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ou
>get all the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage
>from the trigger into something useful?
>
>jef
>
>Dimitrios wrote:
>
>>Hi and happy new year.
>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these reliable
>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more complicated.
>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive
drumagog
>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is an
>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>>
>>How does this work on the black C-16?

Jimmy

"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43bc634c@linux...
> Is everyone clear on how easy Automation is? It's really so powerful
> you gotta get it. Here's the basics on recording automation one more
time.
>
>
>
> Automation Recording Procedure using the C16 Pro
>
> 1. Stop the Transport
>
> 2. NULL FADERS: Using their Null Arrow LEDs on the C16,

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