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| OT: WinXP weirdness [message #64543] |
Tue, 14 February 2006 19:54  |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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I haven't the patience to post this on Microsoft's forum, though I've come
across other users with a similar problem, but no solution short of a
complete reinstall...
I built my AMD X2 4400 system a couple of months ago and have, at least
recently had problems with the desktop theme resetting on restart, randomly
- one day it's normal, the next, it gets reset. Not a big deal in the grand
scheme, but turning system sounds off when this happens is annoying. There
are several threads of users seeing this on the MS forum, but no solutions.
Second problem, and probably the more strange and perhaps foreboding - under
most user configurable settings (visual settings, folder settings, etc), the
tick box/option is missing - each option is there, but no way to
select/deselect. My user account is admin, so it shouldn't (that I can
tell) be a user access issue. I've built several PCs and never seen
anything like this - nothing unusual during install - pretty standard stuff.
Any ideas? I'm trying to avoid rebuilding it as it took a long day to get
it setup with all the apps, VSTi's, licenses, etc, etc, and I don't have
time in the foreseeable furture to do so. So far it isn't a show stopper
but I'm holding my breath wondering if it will become one.
Win XP ProSP2
Matrox P650
AMD X2 4400
2G Ram
1 IDE
3 SATA
Thanks!
Dedric
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| Re: OT: WinXP weirdness [message #64546 is a reply to message #64543] |
Tue, 14 February 2006 20:45  |
Chris Ludwig
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Hi Dedric,
Ummm very weird.
Sounds like something messing up your user accts. Have tried creating a
whole new Admin Acct and removing the old one after? This won't effect
any programs other than maybe some preferences.
Could you have possibly have installed some hardware or software with
out selecting it to allow all users? I've things like that cause trouble.
Chris
Dedric Terry wrote:
> I haven't the patience to post this on Microsoft's forum, though I've come
> across other users with a similar problem, but no solution short of a
> complete reinstall...
>
> I built my AMD X2 4400 system a couple of months ago and have, at least
> recently had problems with the desktop theme resetting on restart, randomly
> - one day it's normal, the next, it gets reset. Not a big deal in the grand
> scheme, but turning system sounds off when this happens is annoying. There
> are several threads of users seeing this on the MS forum, but no solutions.
>
> Second problem, and probably the more strange and perhaps foreboding - under
> most user configurable settings (visual settings, folder settings, etc), the
> tick box/option is missing - each option is there, but no way to
> select/deselect. My user account is admin, so it shouldn't (that I can
> tell) be a user access issue. I've built several PCs and never seen
> anything like this - nothing unusual during install - pretty standard stuff.
>
> Any ideas? I'm trying to avoid rebuilding it as it took a long day to get
> it setup with all the apps, VSTi's, licenses, etc, etc, and I don't have
> time in the foreseeable furture to do so. So far it isn't a show stopper
> but I'm holding my breath wondering if it will become one.
>
> Win XP ProSP2
> Matrox P650
> AMD X2 4400
> 2G Ram
> 1 IDE
> 3 SATA
>
> Thanks!
> Dedric
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
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| Re: OT: WinXP weirdness [message #64548 is a reply to message #64546] |
Tue, 14 February 2006 21:12 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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Hi Chris,
It does sound like that's the problem. I haven't tried replacing the admin
account but will. I can't think of anything that I installed that would be
user sensitive - Nuendo, Vegas, Flash/Dreamweaver, etc - install is pretty
vanilla unless I fell asleep and hit an "okay" button without realizing it
(quite possible - esp. the falling asleep at the keyboard part).
Thanks,
Dedric
On 2/14/06 9:45 PM, in article 43f2b34c@linux, "Chris Ludwig"
<chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
> Hi Dedric,
> Ummm very weird.
> Sounds like something messing up your user accts. Have tried creating a
> whole new Admin Acct and removing the old one after? This won't effect
> any programs other than maybe some preferences.
> Could you have possibly have installed some hardware or software with
> out selecting it to allow all users? I've things like that cause trouble.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> I haven't the patience to post this on Microsoft's forum, though I've come
>> across other users with a similar problem, but no solution short of a
>> complete reinstall...
>>
>> I built my AMD X2 4400 system a couple of months ago and have, at least
>> recently had problems with the desktop theme resetting on restart, randomly
>> - one day it's normal, the next, it gets reset. Not a big deal in the grand
>> scheme, but turning system sounds off when this happens is annoying. There
>> are several threads of users seeing this on the MS forum, but no solutions.
>>
>> Second problem, and probably the more strange and perhaps foreboding - under
>> most user configurable settings (visual settings, folder settings, etc), the
>> tick box/option is missing - each option is there, but no way to
>> select/deselect. My user account is admin, so it shouldn't (that I can
>> tell) be a user access issue. I've built several PCs and never seen
>> anything like this - nothing unusual during install - pretty standard stuff.
>>
>> Any ideas? I'm trying to avoid rebuilding it as it took a long day to get
>> it setup with all the apps, VSTi's, licenses, etc, etc, and I don't have
>> time in the foreseeable furture to do so. So far it isn't a show stopper
>> but I'm holding my breath wondering if it will become one.
>>
>> Win XP ProSP2
>> Matrox P650
>> AMD X2 4400
>> 2G Ram
>> 1 IDE
>> 3 SATA
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Dedric
>>
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| Re: OT: WinXP weirdness [message #64558 is a reply to message #64548] |
Wed, 15 February 2006 07:12 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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If building /re building the account for admin doesn't fly, do a ghost image
for safety and reapply service pack 2.
AA
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C018063E.FF5%dterry@keyofd.net...
> Hi Chris,
>
> It does sound like that's the problem. I haven't tried replacing the
> admin
> account but will. I can't think of anything that I installed that would be
> user sensitive - Nuendo, Vegas, Flash/Dreamweaver, etc - install is pretty
> vanilla unless I fell asleep and hit an "okay" button without realizing it
> (quite possible - esp. the falling asleep at the keyboard part).
>
> Thanks,
> Dedric
>
> On 2/14/06 9:45 PM, in article 43f2b34c@linux, "Chris Ludwig"
> <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dedric,
>> Ummm very weird.
>> Sounds like something messing up your user accts. Have tried creating a
>> whole new Admin Acct and removing the old one after? This won't effect
>> any programs other than maybe some preferences.
>> Could you have possibly have installed some hardware or software with
>> out selecting it to allow all users? I've things like that cause trouble.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> I haven't the patience to post this on Microsoft's forum, though I've
>>> come
>>> across other users with a similar problem, but no solution short of a
>>> complete reinstall...
>>>
>>> I built my AMD X2 4400 system a couple of months ago and have, at least
>>> recently had problems with the desktop theme resetting on restart,
>>> randomly
>>> - one day it's normal, the next, it gets reset. Not a big deal in the
>>> grand
>>> scheme, but turning system sounds off when this happens is annoying.
>>> There
>>> are several threads of users seeing this on the MS forum, but no
>>> solutions.
>>>
>>> Second problem, and probably the more strange and perhaps foreboding -
>>> under
>>> most user configurable settings (visual settings, folder settings, etc),
>>> the
>>> tick box/option is missing - each option is there, but no way to
>>> select/deselect. My user account is admin, so it shouldn't (that I can
>>> tell) be a user access issue. I've built several PCs and never seen
>>> anything like this - nothing unusual during install - pretty standard
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> Any ideas? I'm trying to avoid rebuilding it as it took a long day to
>>> get
>>> it setup with all the apps, VSTi's, licenses, etc, etc, and I don't have
>>> time in the foreseeable furture to do so. So far it isn't a show
>>> stopper
>>> but I'm holding my breath wondering if it will become one.
>>>
>>> Win XP ProSP2
>>> Matrox P650
>>> AMD X2 4400
>>> 2G Ram
>>> 1 IDE
>>> 3 SATA
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Dedric
>>>
>
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| Re: OT: WinXP weirdness [message #64559 is a reply to message #64543] |
Wed, 15 February 2006 08:29 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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This certainly sounds accounts related. If you're comfortable doing this,
boot off of a live CD that will see the partition (if it's NTFS I'd suggest
a BartPE disk which is essentially an SP2 live CD, if it's fat32 you can
use a Knoppix disk--Knoppix is live CD Debian and the linux tools for write
access to NTFS partitions is still a little sketchy because M$oft are such
pricks about it). When booted off of the live CD go to
c:\%system%[usually Windows]\system32\config\
and rename SAM to SAM.bak in case something goes terribly wrong. Then copy
a SAM from the same place on another working SP2 machine with accounts/passwords
you know are correct. If everything blows up reboot off of the live CD and
get rid of the SAM you moved over and rename SAM.bak to SAM and reboot again.
I do this all the time to machines with registry problems, you can be surprisingly
brutal manually screwing with registry hives this way and as long as you
keep backups the worst that happens is you have to back out of everything
and then it's just as broken as when you started.
TCB
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>I haven't the patience to post this on Microsoft's forum, though I've come
>across other users with a similar problem, but no solution short of a
>complete reinstall...
>
>I built my AMD X2 4400 system a couple of months ago and have, at least
>recently had problems with the desktop theme resetting on restart, randomly
>- one day it's normal, the next, it gets reset. Not a big deal in the grand
>scheme, but turning system sounds off when this happens is annoying. There
>are several threads of users seeing this on the MS forum, but no solutions.
>
>Second problem, and probably the more strange and perhaps foreboding - under
>most user configurable settings (visual settings, folder settings, etc),
the
>tick box/option is missing - each option is there, but no way to
>select/deselect. My user account is admin, so it shouldn't (that I can
>tell) be a user access issue. I've built several PCs and never seen
>anything like this - nothing unusual during install - pretty standard stuff.
>
>Any ideas? I'm trying to avoid rebuilding it as it took a long day to get
>it setup with all the apps, VSTi's, licenses, etc, etc, and I don't have
>time in the foreseeable furture to do so. So far it isn't a show stopper
>but I'm holding my breath wondering if it will become one.
>
>Win XP ProSP2
>Matrox P650
>AMD X2 4400
>2G Ram
>1 IDE
>3 SATA
>
>Thanks!
>Dedric
>
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| Re: OT: WinXP weirdness [message #64560 is a reply to message #64559] |
Wed, 15 February 2006 08:32 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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Also, you _might_ have to do the SECURITY hive as well but I don't think so.
I think just SAM will do the user accounts.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>This certainly sounds accounts related. If you're comfortable doing this,
>boot off of a live CD that will see the partition (if it's NTFS I'd suggest
>a BartPE disk which is essentially an SP2 live CD, if it's fat32 you can
>use a Knoppix disk--Knoppix is live CD Debian and the linux tools for write
>access to NTFS partitions is still a little sketchy because M$oft are such
>pricks about it). When booted off of the live CD go to
>
>c:\%system%[usually Windows]\system32\config\
>
>and rename SAM to SAM.bak in case something goes terribly wrong. Then copy
>a SAM from the same place on another working SP2 machine with accounts/passwords
>you know are correct. If everything blows up reboot off of the live CD and
>get rid of the SAM you moved over and rename SAM.bak to SAM and reboot again.
>
>
>I do this all the time to machines with registry problems, you can be surprisingly
>brutal manually screwing with registry hives this way and as long as you
>keep backups the worst that happens is you have to back out of everything
>and then it's just as broken as when you started.
>
>TCB
>
>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>I haven't the patience to post this on Microsoft's forum, though I've come
>>across other users with a similar problem, but no solution short of a
>>complete reinstall...
>>
>>I built my AMD X2 4400 system a couple of months ago and have, at least
>>recently had problems with the desktop theme resetting on restart, randomly
>>- one day it's normal, the next, it gets reset. Not a big deal in the
grand
>>scheme, but turning system sounds off when this happens is annoying. There
>>are several threads of users seeing this on the MS forum, but no solutions.
>>
>>Second problem, and probably the more strange and perhaps foreboding -
under
>>most user configurable settings (visual settings, folder settings, etc),
>the
>>tick box/option is missing - each option is there, but no way to
>>select/deselect. My user account is admin, so it shouldn't (that I can
>>tell) be a user access issue. I've built several PCs and never seen
>>anything like this - nothing unusual during install - pretty standard stuff.
>>
>>Any ideas? I'm trying to avoid rebuilding it as it took a long day to
get
>>it setup with all the apps, VSTi's, licenses, etc, etc, and I don't have
>>time in the foreseeable furture to do so. So far it isn't a show stopper
>>but I'm holding my breath wondering if it will become one.
>>
>>Win XP ProSP2
>>Matrox P650
>>AMD X2 4400
>>2G Ram
>>1 IDE
>>3 SATA
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Dedric
>>
>
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| Re: OT: WinXP weirdness [message #64691 is a reply to message #64558] |
Sun, 19 February 2006 19:17 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Haven't had much time to test this much, but I created a second account and
so far haven't lost prefs in the original account (don't use the second,
just have to log in on startup now), at least that I can remember - two
almost back to back 36 hour days this week....at this point my PC could be
throwing a party and I might not notice.
Thanks for the suggestions Aaron and Thad.
Regards,
Dedric
On 2/15/06 8:12 AM, in article 43f34623@linux, "Aaron Allen"
<nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> If building /re building the account for admin doesn't fly, do a ghost image
> for safety and reapply service pack 2.
> AA
>
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:C018063E.FF5%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> It does sound like that's the problem. I haven't tried replacing the
>> admin
>> account but will. I can't think of anything that I installed that would be
>> user sensitive - Nuendo, Vegas, Flash/Dreamweaver, etc - install is pretty
>> vanilla unless I fell asleep and hit an "okay" button without realizing it
>> (quite possible - esp. the falling asleep at the keyboard part).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 2/14/06 9:45 PM, in article 43f2b34c@linux, "Chris Ludwig"
>> <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dedric,
>>> Ummm very weird.
>>> Sounds like something messing up your user accts. Have tried creating a
>>> whole new Admin Acct and removing the old one after? This won't effect
>>> any programs other than maybe some preferences.
>>> Could you have possibly have installed some hardware or software with
>>> out selecting it to allow all users? I've things like that cause trouble.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>> I haven't the patience to post this on Microsoft's forum, though I've
>>>> come
>>>> across other users with a similar problem, but no solution short of a
>>>> complete reinstall...
>>>>
>>>> I built my AMD X2 4400 system a couple of months ago and have, at least
>>>> recently had problems with the desktop theme resetting on restart,
>>>> randomly
>>>> - one day it's normal, the next, it gets reset. Not a big deal in the
>>>> grand
>>>> scheme, but turning system sounds off when this happens is annoying.
>>>> There
>>>> are several threads of users seeing this on the MS forum, but no
>>>> solutions.
>>>>
>>>> Second problem, and probably the more strange and perhaps foreboding -
>>>> under
>>>> most user configurable settings (visual settings, folder settings, etc),
>>>> the
>>>> tick box/option is missing - each option is there, but no way to
>>>> select/deselect. My user account is admin, so it shouldn't (that I can
>>>> tell) be a user access issue. I've built several PCs and never seen
>>>> anything like this - nothing unusual during install - pretty standard
>>>> stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas? I'm trying to avoid rebuilding it as it took a long day to
>>>> get
>>>> it setup with all the apps, VSTi's, licenses, etc, etc, and I don't have
>>>> time in the foreseeable furture to do so. So far it isn't a show
>>>> stopper
>>>> but I'm holding my breath wondering if it will become one.
>>>>
>>>> Win XP ProSP2
>>>> Matrox P650
>>>> AMD X2 4400
>>>> 2G Ram
>>>> 1 IDE
>>>> 3 SATA
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>
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| Re: OT: WinXP weirdness [message #65374 is a reply to message #64691] |
Mon, 13 March 2006 21:13 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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A new installment on this old issue - adding a new account seems to have
cleared up the issue with WinXP resetting the desktop prefs - still use the
old account, just added another, and now XP seems happy.
However, I'm wondering if MS .Net Framework 1.1 has anything to do with
losing manual config of general advanced Windows settings (visual effects
checkbox list, advanced file view checkbox list, etc) - I've seen this on
three systems that I loaded Vegas on, which uses .net that I normally
wouldn't install. Any idea how to get access to these? On one system I
know I had access to them, the only change I can associate is Vegas/.Net.
Also, I don't know if it's related, but Acrobat Reader's search window is
just check boxes with no labels - same on a couple of systems (both AR 7.x I
believe). First time I've seen that too.
Maybe I'm just weird and my PCs are playing follow the leader, or MS Windows
is the biggest mess of disorganized code since IBM dumped it's last load of
blown punch cards in a dumpster.
Thanks again for the suggestions,
Dedric
On 2/19/06 8:17 PM, in article C01E82BE.1345%dterry@keyofd.net, "Dedric
Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> Haven't had much time to test this much, but I created a second account and
> so far haven't lost prefs in the original account (don't use the second,
> just have to log in on startup now), at least that I can remember - two
> almost back to back 36 hour days this week....at this point my PC could be
> throwing a party and I might not notice.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions Aaron and Thad.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> On 2/15/06 8:12 AM, in article 43f34623@linux, "Aaron Allen"
> <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>> If building /re building the account for admin doesn't fly, do a ghost image
>> for safety and reapply service pack 2.
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>> news:C018063E.FF5%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> It does sound like that's the problem. I haven't tried replacing the
>>> admin
>>> account but will. I can't think of anything that I installed that would be
>>> user sensitive - Nuendo, Vegas, Flash/Dreamweaver, etc - install is pretty
>>> vanilla unless I fell asleep and hit an "okay" button without realizing it
>>> (quite possible - esp. the falling asleep at the keyboard part).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 2/14/06 9:45 PM, in article 43f2b34c@linux, "Chris Ludwig"
>>> <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Dedric,
>>>> Ummm very weird.
>>>> Sounds like something messing up your user accts. Have tried creating a
>>>> whole new Admin Acct and removing the old one after? This won't effect
>>>> any programs other than maybe some preferences.
>>>> Could you have possibly have installed some hardware or software with
>>>> out selecting it to allow all users? I've things like that cause trouble.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>> I haven't the patience to post this on Microsoft's forum, though I've
>>>>> come
>>>>> across other users with a similar problem, but no solution short of a
>>>>> complete reinstall...
>>>>>
>>>>> I built my AMD X2 4400 system a couple of months ago and have, at least
>>>>> recently had problems with the desktop theme resetting on restart,
>>>>> randomly
>>>>> - one day it's normal, the next, it gets reset. Not a big deal in the
>>>>> grand
>>>>> scheme, but turning system sounds off when this happens is annoying.
>>>>> There
>>>>> are several threads of users seeing this on the MS forum, but no
>>>>> solutions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second problem, and probably the more strange and perhaps foreboding -
>>>>> under
>>>>> most user configurable settings (visual settings, folder settings, etc),
>>>>> the
>>>>> tick box/option is missing - each option is there, but no way to
>>>>> select/deselect. My user account is admin, so it shouldn't (that I can
>>>>> tell) be a user access issue. I've built several PCs and never seen
>>>>> anything like this - nothing unusual during install - pretty standard
>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas? I'm trying to avoid rebuilding it as it took a long day to
>>>>> get
>>>>> it setup with all the apps, VSTi's, licenses, etc, etc, and I don't have
>>>>> time in the foreseeable furture to do so. So far it isn't a show
>>>>> stopper
>>>>> but I'm holding my breath wondering if it will become one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Win XP ProSP2
>>>>> Matrox P650
>>>>> AMD X2 4400
>>>>> 2G Ram
>>>>> 1 IDE
>>>>> 3 SATA
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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