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| Other Daw choices ? [message #73841] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 08:24  |
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John [1]
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So, what's the least expensive system I can get with high quality sound,
latency compensation for vsts and able to do > 64 tracks with the pro features
like Paris? If DJ pitches in, cost is no object but for now I need cheap.
16 ins and outs would be nice
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73847 is a reply to message #73845] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 11:11  |
LaMont
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John,
Your choices are:
PC:
-Samplitude 8-9
-Cubase 4
-Nuendo
-Sony Vegas Pro 7
Hardware choices: Apogee AD 16x /DA 16x. RME Digi/Multi face..Or RME Ficreface
units..EMU's 1820M, M-Audio
Mac:
Logic Audio Pro- With Apogee Hardware, makes for a great pro setup with very
low latency
Digital Performer- GreatI/O hardware!! Great Professional system.
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>I can't do things in their infancy anymore. I need something mature with
>plug in automation and latency compensation. Ideas ?
>I'm gonna check DJs garbage can and see what he's throwing out.
>
>John
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Go check out Reaper and www.reaper.fm
>>
>>still in it's infancy - just out of beta testing but so far it's been a
>joy
>>to use, straight forward and quite versatile
>>
>>DOn
>>
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>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:452d122a@linux...
>>> 64 tracks lets you out of all the light software, and latency compensation
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>>> lets out a few more. I would say the new Studio 4 from Steinberg would
>be
>>> decent (or SX), once they patch it once or twice.
>>>
>>> pdf of features: http://knowledgebase.steinberg.de/158_1.html
>>>
>>> For interfaces, you can't go wrong with a pair of RME multi-face/PCI
>>> cards.
>>>
>>> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/multifa.htm
>>>
>>> Keep in mind, you may want to wait till they go PCI-e so you have some
>
>>> growth capability computer-wise.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> John wrote:
>>>> So, what's the least expensive system I can get with high quality sound,
>>>> latency compensation for vsts and able to do > 64 tracks with the pro
>
>>>> features
>>>> like Paris? If DJ pitches in, cost is no object but for now I need
>
>>>> cheap.
>>>>
>>>> 16 ins and outs would be nice
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73853 is a reply to message #73847] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 11:35 |
animix
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What about ACID? I hear it's come a long way.
"lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:452d33dc$1@linux...
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> John,
> Your choices are:
>
> PC:
> -Samplitude 8-9
> -Cubase 4
> -Nuendo
> -Sony Vegas Pro 7
>
> Hardware choices: Apogee AD 16x /DA 16x. RME Digi/Multi face..Or RME
Ficreface
> units..EMU's 1820M, M-Audio
>
> Mac:
> Logic Audio Pro- With Apogee Hardware, makes for a great pro setup with
very
> low latency
>
> Digital Performer- GreatI/O hardware!! Great Professional system.
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
> >
> >I can't do things in their infancy anymore. I need something mature with
> >plug in automation and latency compensation. Ideas ?
> >I'm gonna check DJs garbage can and see what he's throwing out.
> >
> >John
> >
> >"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
> >>Go check out Reaper and www.reaper.fm
> >>
> >>still in it's infancy - just out of beta testing but so far it's been a
> >joy
> >>to use, straight forward and quite versatile
> >>
> >>DOn
> >>
> >>
> >>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:452d122a@linux...
> >>> 64 tracks lets you out of all the light software, and latency
compensation
> >
> >>> lets out a few more. I would say the new Studio 4 from Steinberg
would
> >be
> >>> decent (or SX), once they patch it once or twice.
> >>>
> >>> pdf of features: http://knowledgebase.steinberg.de/158_1.html
> >>>
> >>> For interfaces, you can't go wrong with a pair of RME multi-face/PCI
>
> >>> cards.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/multifa.htm
> >>>
> >>> Keep in mind, you may want to wait till they go PCI-e so you have some
> >
> >>> growth capability computer-wise.
> >>>
> >>> David.
> >>>
> >>> John wrote:
> >>>> So, what's the least expensive system I can get with high quality
sound,
> >>>> latency compensation for vsts and able to do > 64 tracks with the pro
> >
> >>>> features
> >>>> like Paris? If DJ pitches in, cost is no object but for now I need
> >
> >>>> cheap.
> >>>>
> >>>> 16 ins and outs would be nice
> >>>>
> >>
> >
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73860 is a reply to message #73841] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 14:33 |
TCB
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Ah, what faith. 64+ tracks, 'pro' features, latency compensation, but keep
it cheap! Doesn't really exist. However, personally I'd recommend Live, SX,
or Sonar depending on what you want to do. Live is the most intuitive, musical
app I've ever used but doesn't work as well as a traditional multitracker
with lots of punch ins and punch outs and such. SX is more of a multitracker
without with a really super sequencer (that apparently has been improved
in v. 4), and has sample accurate editing in the project window, lots of
cool stuff or managing audio flow in the mixer, and so forth. Sonar is, in
my opinion, a little in the middle. More of the looping, pattern stuff that
Live/Reason have, but a better multitracker than either of them, but not
the same kind of audio powerhouse SX is.
Gentlest learning curve is Live, steepest is SX, IHMO. Both take enormous
amounts of time to truly master. I'm probably a top 15% SX user but only
a top 50% Live user and I'm trying to change that.
The great scandal is that they all sound freaking great, arguments about
summing bus minutae to one side.
Good luck,
TCB
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>So, what's the least expensive system I can get with high quality sound,
>latency compensation for vsts and able to do > 64 tracks with the pro features
>like Paris? If DJ pitches in, cost is no object but for now I need cheap.
>
>16 ins and outs would be nice
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73871 is a reply to message #73853] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 16:37 |
LaMont
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Yes it has..I use it, but, it still a bit quarky for mixing. It it a great
app.
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>What about ACID? I hear it's come a long way.
>
>
>"lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:452d33dc$1@linux...
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>> John,
>> Your choices are:
>>
>> PC:
>> -Samplitude 8-9
>> -Cubase 4
>> -Nuendo
>> -Sony Vegas Pro 7
>>
>> Hardware choices: Apogee AD 16x /DA 16x. RME Digi/Multi face..Or RME
>Ficreface
>> units..EMU's 1820M, M-Audio
>>
>> Mac:
>> Logic Audio Pro- With Apogee Hardware, makes for a great pro setup with
>very
>> low latency
>>
>> Digital Performer- GreatI/O hardware!! Great Professional system.
>>
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >I can't do things in their infancy anymore. I need something mature
with
>> >plug in automation and latency compensation. Ideas ?
>> >I'm gonna check DJs garbage can and see what he's throwing out.
>> >
>> >John
>> >
>> >"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>> >>Go check out Reaper and www.reaper.fm
>> >>
>> >>still in it's infancy - just out of beta testing but so far it's been
a
>> >joy
>> >>to use, straight forward and quite versatile
>> >>
>> >>DOn
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:452d122a@linux...
>> >>> 64 tracks lets you out of all the light software, and latency
>compensation
>> >
>> >>> lets out a few more. I would say the new Studio 4 from Steinberg
>would
>> >be
>> >>> decent (or SX), once they patch it once or twice.
>> >>>
>> >>> pdf of features: http://knowledgebase.steinberg.de/158_1.html
>> >>>
>> >>> For interfaces, you can't go wrong with a pair of RME multi-face/PCI
>>
>> >>> cards.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/multifa.htm
>> >>>
>> >>> Keep in mind, you may want to wait till they go PCI-e so you have
some
>> >
>> >>> growth capability computer-wise.
>> >>>
>> >>> David.
>> >>>
>> >>> John wrote:
>> >>>> So, what's the least expensive system I can get with high quality
>sound,
>> >>>> latency compensation for vsts and able to do > 64 tracks with the
pro
>> >
>> >>>> features
>> >>>> like Paris? If DJ pitches in, cost is no object but for now I need
>> >
>> >>>> cheap.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 16 ins and outs would be nice
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73872 is a reply to message #73854] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 16:42 |
LaMont
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Sampplitude, Pro Tools, Logic Audio, Digital, Cubase/Nuendo...Sonar..In that
order
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>Which ones sound the best?
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>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>I wouldn't be so hasty to jump to conclusions...but it's your choice...get
>
>>your wallet out cause you're gonnan need it
>>
>>heehehehehehe
>>
>>Don
>>
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:452d3042$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I can't do things in their infancy anymore. I need something mature
with
>>> plug in automation and latency compensation. Ideas ?
>>> I'm gonna check DJs garbage can and see what he's throwing out.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>Go check out Reaper and www.reaper.fm
>>>>
>>>>still in it's infancy - just out of beta testing but so far it's been
>a
>>> joy
>>>>to use, straight forward and quite versatile
>>>>
>>>>DOn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:452d122a@linux...
>>>>> 64 tracks lets you out of all the light software, and latency
>>>>> compensation
>>>
>>>>> lets out a few more. I would say the new Studio 4 from Steinberg would
>>> be
>>>>> decent (or SX), once they patch it once or twice.
>>>>>
>>>>> pdf of features: http://knowledgebase.steinberg.de/158_1.html
>>>>>
>>>>> For interfaces, you can't go wrong with a pair of RME multi-face/PCI
>>>>> cards.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/hdsp/multifa.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep in mind, you may want to wait till they go PCI-e so you have some
>>>
>>>>> growth capability computer-wise.
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>> John wrote:
>>>>>> So, what's the least expensive system I can get with high quality
>
>>>>>> sound,
>>>>>> latency compensation for vsts and able to do > 64 tracks with the
pro
>>>
>>>>>> features
>>>>>> like Paris? If DJ pitches in, cost is no object but for now I need
>>>
>>>>>> cheap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 16 ins and outs would be nice
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73886 is a reply to message #73868] |
Wed, 11 October 2006 21:46 |
audioguy_editout_
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PCI based DSP as in MOTU, RME, Digi, Lynx etc... where the
processing and audio busing happens directly at the PCI bus,
and not on a USB or FW bus. Yes, the conversion is still
happening outside the computer on external boxes (in most
cases) The important thing is that the PCI bus connection is
very robust. FW implimentation is still quite flaky in
Windows... and USB is downright useless for anything past 4
tracks.
David.
Ted Gerber wrote:
> So sonically, you'd prefer the RME card to Metric Halo or MiniMe?
> I thought that, on principle, external boxes had a better chance for
> higher quality conversion etc because of power supply, interference
> and clocking issues...
>
> Please enlighten
>
> Ted
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> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
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>>If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound... Card
>>based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). >
>>David.
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73891 is a reply to message #73886] |
Thu, 12 October 2006 05:41 |
Jamie K
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> FW implimentation is still quite flaky in
> Windows...
Interesting, and inexcusable.
Firewire with the Motu 828MII is rock solid here on MacOSX and has been
for the last several years.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Dave(EK Sound) wrote:
> PCI based DSP as in MOTU, RME, Digi, Lynx etc... where the processing
> and audio busing happens directly at the PCI bus, and not on a USB or FW
> bus. Yes, the conversion is still happening outside the computer on
> external boxes (in most cases) The important thing is that the PCI bus
> connection is very robust. FW implimentation is still quite flaky in
> Windows... and USB is downright useless for anything past 4 tracks.
>
> David.
>
> Ted Gerber wrote:
>> So sonically, you'd prefer the RME card to Metric Halo or MiniMe?
>> I thought that, on principle, external boxes had a better chance for
>> higher quality conversion etc because of power supply, interference
>> and clocking issues...
>>
>> Please enlighten
>>
>> Ted
>>
>> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound... Card
>>> based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). >
>>> David.
>>>
>>
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73897 is a reply to message #73891] |
Thu, 12 October 2006 07:58 |
fernando
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I'd say it's corporate warmongering: Windows supports USB and USB2, Apple
supports Firewire and Firewire 800. This is competition. Discuss.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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> > FW implimentation is still quite flaky in
> > Windows...
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>Interesting, and inexcusable.
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>Firewire with the Motu 828MII is rock solid here on MacOSX and has been
>for the last several years.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>Dave(EK Sound) wrote:
>> PCI based DSP as in MOTU, RME, Digi, Lynx etc... where the processing
>> and audio busing happens directly at the PCI bus, and not on a USB or
FW
>> bus. Yes, the conversion is still happening outside the computer on
>> external boxes (in most cases) The important thing is that the PCI bus
>> connection is very robust. FW implimentation is still quite flaky in
>> Windows... and USB is downright useless for anything past 4 tracks.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Ted Gerber wrote:
>>> So sonically, you'd prefer the RME card to Metric Halo or MiniMe?
>>> I thought that, on principle, external boxes had a better chance for
>>> higher quality conversion etc because of power supply, interference
>>> and clocking issues...
>>>
>>> Please enlighten
>>>
>>> Ted
>>>
>>> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound... Card
>>>> based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). >
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73898 is a reply to message #73897] |
Thu, 12 October 2006 08:09 |
excelav
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USB has been working great on Macs for about 9 years or so.
James
"fernando" <gringo@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>I'd say it's corporate warmongering: Windows supports USB and USB2, Apple
>supports Firewire and Firewire 800. This is competition. Discuss.
>
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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>> > FW implimentation is still quite flaky in
>> > Windows...
>>
>>Interesting, and inexcusable.
>>
>>Firewire with the Motu 828MII is rock solid here on MacOSX and has been
>
>>for the last several years.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>Dave(EK Sound) wrote:
>>> PCI based DSP as in MOTU, RME, Digi, Lynx etc... where the processing
>
>>> and audio busing happens directly at the PCI bus, and not on a USB or
>FW
>>> bus. Yes, the conversion is still happening outside the computer on
>>> external boxes (in most cases) The important thing is that the PCI bus
>
>>> connection is very robust. FW implimentation is still quite flaky in
>
>>> Windows... and USB is downright useless for anything past 4 tracks.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> Ted Gerber wrote:
>>>> So sonically, you'd prefer the RME card to Metric Halo or MiniMe?
>>>> I thought that, on principle, external boxes had a better chance for
>>>> higher quality conversion etc because of power supply, interference
>>>> and clocking issues...
>>>>
>>>> Please enlighten
>>>>
>>>> Ted
>>>>
>>>> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound... Card
>>>>> based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). >
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73902 is a reply to message #73898] |
Thu, 12 October 2006 08:23 |
fernando
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Yes it does, doesn't it? Since Firewire and Firewire 800 also semm to work
fine on my Macs but not my PC's, it looks like someone has done more homework
than someone else. In the R & D and user benefit areas. I don't wish to re-start
Mac vs PC wars, but that has been my experience with Firewire so far.
Macs do cost more, however.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>USB has been working great on Macs for about 9 years or so.
>
>James
>
>"fernando" <gringo@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>I'd say it's corporate warmongering: Windows supports USB and USB2, Apple
>>supports Firewire and Firewire 800. This is competition. Discuss.
>>
>>
>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > FW implimentation is still quite flaky in
>>> > Windows...
>>>
>>>Interesting, and inexcusable.
>>>
>>>Firewire with the Motu 828MII is rock solid here on MacOSX and has been
>>
>>>for the last several years.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Dave(EK Sound) wrote:
>>>> PCI based DSP as in MOTU, RME, Digi, Lynx etc... where the processing
>>
>>>> and audio busing happens directly at the PCI bus, and not on a USB or
>>FW
>>>> bus. Yes, the conversion is still happening outside the computer on
>
>>>> external boxes (in most cases) The important thing is that the PCI bus
>>
>>>> connection is very robust. FW implimentation is still quite flaky
in
>>
>>>> Windows... and USB is downright useless for anything past 4 tracks.
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> Ted Gerber wrote:
>>>>> So sonically, you'd prefer the RME card to Metric Halo or MiniMe?
>>>>> I thought that, on principle, external boxes had a better chance for
>>>>> higher quality conversion etc because of power supply, interference
>>>>> and clocking issues...
>>>>>
>>>>> Please enlighten
>>>>>
>>>>> Ted
>>>>>
>>>>> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound... Card
>>>>>> based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). >
>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73913 is a reply to message #73903] |
Thu, 12 October 2006 11:02 |
excelav
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EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>We have had a few customers with M-audio FW interfaces that have had
>the dissapearing problem. They have been in the middle of takes when
>suddenly their I/O is just gone. It also makes a difference if it is
>an on-board FW port or an add-on card. The latter seem to be more
>stable, perhaps it is a driver issue.
>
>David.
I'm thinking M-Audio drivers.
I have 2 FW / USB combo cards from Compuseless. These things never worked
right in PCs or Macs. They would drop out, or installing them in my PCs
and my PCs would go in to black screen restart mode, were the machine keeps
restarting on start up. So it could be the FW card.
Speaking of hight quality mass-produced computer hardware, every time I add
memory to my PC, the system goes haywire, with distorted display, crashes,
the restarting thing, or just fails to boot. I've tried different memory,
it's definitely the high quality after market MOBO.
James
>
>TCB wrote:
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>> Never happened to me, and there ain't no fruit labeled computers in my
house.
>> I use a Presonus FW interface on both my laptop and desktop all the time.
>> Maybe I'm just lucky.
>>
>> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
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>>>Having your interface "dissapear" during a session (PC) requiring a
>>>re-boot is not what I would call pro. While the quality of the
>>>interfaces is good, it's Windows control of Firewire that is not. I
>>>would stay away from FW for serious work until they get it sorted out.
>>> The MAC support of FW is fine, but it should be... they invented the
>>>thing! ;-)
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>
>>>>What's not 'pro' about firewire interfaces?
>>>>
>>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound... Card
>>>>>based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). The RME stuff sounds great
>>
>>
>>>>>and works well. The Multiface also has and adat I/O port for
>>>>>additional capability.
>>>>>
>>>>>David.
>>>>>
>>>>>John wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Rather, Which audio interfaces are truly pro quality and can give
me
>>>>
>>>>16 in/outs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>RME ? others ????
>>>>
>>>>
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73914 is a reply to message #73908] |
Thu, 12 October 2006 11:07 |
animix
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I think my issues with Fx have had o do with the mobo's I've been using.
Every friggin one seems to have the onboard FW sharing IRQ with......you
guessed it....the AGP. I'magine if I were to get serious about using FW, I'd
buy myself one of those *recommended* TI based cards, pop it in a PCI slot
that's not sharing IRQ and likely be good to go. I wonder if it would be
possible to get something like 3 x RME fireface units working this way. Can
these be daisychained? Without wretched excess, I will die.
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:452e7423$1@linux...
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> The extra pins are just power.
>
> Again, I've _never_ had a problem. I do know a bit more about computers
than
> average, so maybe that's it, or maybe I'm lucky. It just hacks me off when
> someone says such and such isn't 'pro' when I get it to work just fine.
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >I have found FW on PC to sucketh most theriously. Doesn't Mac usea
patented
> >6 pin protocall and PC use 4 pin or something like that?
> >
> >"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:452e6093@linux...
> >> We have had a few customers with M-audio FW interfaces that have had
> >> the dissapearing problem. They have been in the middle of takes when
> >> suddenly their I/O is just gone. It also makes a difference if it is
> >> an on-board FW port or an add-on card. The latter seem to be more
> >> stable, perhaps it is a driver issue.
> >>
> >> David.
> >>
> >> TCB wrote:
> >>
> >> > Never happened to me, and there ain't no fruit labeled computers in
> my
> >house.
> >> > I use a Presonus FW interface on both my laptop and desktop all the
> >time.
> >> > Maybe I'm just lucky.
> >> >
> >> > EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Having your interface "dissapear" during a session (PC) requiring a
> >> >>re-boot is not what I would call pro. While the quality of the
> >> >>interfaces is good, it's Windows control of Firewire that is not. I
> >> >>would stay away from FW for serious work until they get it sorted
out.
> >> >> The MAC support of FW is fine, but it should be... they invented the
> >> >>thing! ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >>David.
> >> >>
> >> >>TCB wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>What's not 'pro' about firewire interfaces?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound... Card
> >> >>>>based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). The RME stuff sounds
great
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>>>and works well. The Multiface also has and adat I/O port for
> >> >>>>additional capability.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>David.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>John wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>Rather, Which audio interfaces are truly pro quality and can give
> me
> >> >>>
> >> >>>16 in/outs?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>RME ? others ????
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73915 is a reply to message #73914] |
Thu, 12 October 2006 11:09 |
animix
Messages: 356
Registered: September 2006
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Senior Member |
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Damn!!!...this new Logitech keyboard needs some velocity curve tweaking, as
does my neural network. I meant to refer to FW rather than Fx in the first
sentence of the previous post.
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452e8442$1@linux...
> I think my issues with Fx have had o do with the mobo's I've been using.
> Every friggin one seems to have the onboard FW sharing IRQ with......you
> guessed it....the AGP. I'magine if I were to get serious about using FW,
I'd
> buy myself one of those *recommended* TI based cards, pop it in a PCI slot
> that's not sharing IRQ and likely be good to go. I wonder if it would be
> possible to get something like 3 x RME fireface units working this way.
Can
> these be daisychained? Without wretched excess, I will die.
> ;o)
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:452e7423$1@linux...
> >
> > The extra pins are just power.
> >
> > Again, I've _never_ had a problem. I do know a bit more about computers
> than
> > average, so maybe that's it, or maybe I'm lucky. It just hacks me off
when
> > someone says such and such isn't 'pro' when I get it to work just fine.
> >
> > TCB
> >
> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> > >I have found FW on PC to sucketh most theriously. Doesn't Mac usea
> patented
> > >6 pin protocall and PC use 4 pin or something like that?
> > >
> > >"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:452e6093@linux...
> > >> We have had a few customers with M-audio FW interfaces that have had
> > >> the dissapearing problem. They have been in the middle of takes when
> > >> suddenly their I/O is just gone. It also makes a difference if it is
> > >> an on-board FW port or an add-on card. The latter seem to be more
> > >> stable, perhaps it is a driver issue.
> > >>
> > >> David.
> > >>
> > >> TCB wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Never happened to me, and there ain't no fruit labeled computers in
> > my
> > >house.
> > >> > I use a Presonus FW interface on both my laptop and desktop all the
> > >time.
> > >> > Maybe I'm just lucky.
> > >> >
> > >> > EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>Having your interface "dissapear" during a session (PC) requiring a
> > >> >>re-boot is not what I would call pro. While the quality of the
> > >> >>interfaces is good, it's Windows control of Firewire that is not.
I
> > >> >>would stay away from FW for serious work until they get it sorted
> out.
> > >> >> The MAC support of FW is fine, but it should be... they invented
the
> > >> >>thing! ;-)
> > >> >>
> > >> >>David.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>TCB wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>What's not 'pro' about firewire interfaces?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound... Card
> > >> >>>>based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). The RME stuff sounds
> great
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>>>and works well. The Multiface also has and adat I/O port for
> > >> >>>>additional capability.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>David.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>John wrote:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>>Rather, Which audio interfaces are truly pro quality and can
give
> > me
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>16 in/outs?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>>>RME ? others ????
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73916 is a reply to message #73913] |
Thu, 12 October 2006 11:11 |
animix
Messages: 356
Registered: September 2006
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Senior Member |
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......so why don't you use a Mac?
heheh!!
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:452e8323$1@linux...
>
> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >We have had a few customers with M-audio FW interfaces that have had
> >the dissapearing problem. They have been in the middle of takes when
> >suddenly their I/O is just gone. It also makes a difference if it is
> >an on-board FW port or an add-on card. The latter seem to be more
> >stable, perhaps it is a driver issue.
> >
> >David.
>
> I'm thinking M-Audio drivers.
>
> I have 2 FW / USB combo cards from Compuseless. These things never worked
> right in PCs or Macs. They would drop out, or installing them in my PCs
> and my PCs would go in to black screen restart mode, were the machine
keeps
> restarting on start up. So it could be the FW card.
>
> Speaking of hight quality mass-produced computer hardware, every time I
add
> memory to my PC, the system goes haywire, with distorted display, crashes,
> the restarting thing, or just fails to boot. I've tried different memory,
> it's definitely the high quality after market MOBO.
>
> James
>
> >
> >TCB wrote:
> >
> >> Never happened to me, and there ain't no fruit labeled computers in my
> house.
> >> I use a Presonus FW interface on both my laptop and desktop all the
time.
> >> Maybe I'm just lucky.
> >>
> >> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Having your interface "dissapear" during a session (PC) requiring a
> >>>re-boot is not what I would call pro. While the quality of the
> >>>interfaces is good, it's Windows control of Firewire that is not. I
> >>>would stay away from FW for serious work until they get it sorted out.
>
> >>> The MAC support of FW is fine, but it should be... they invented the
>
> >>>thing! ;-)
> >>>
> >>>David.
> >>>
> >>>TCB wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>What's not 'pro' about firewire interfaces?
> >>>>
> >>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound... Card
> >>>>>based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). The RME stuff sounds
great
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>and works well. The Multiface also has and adat I/O port for
> >>>>>additional capability.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>David.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>John wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Rather, Which audio interfaces are truly pro quality and can give
> me
> >>>>
> >>>>16 in/outs?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>RME ? others ????
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73918 is a reply to message #73915] |
Thu, 12 October 2006 11:19 |
fernando
Messages: 15
Registered: October 2006
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Junior Member |
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honestly guys, I just think that firewire is still done better by Mac's...they
invented it, no disrespect....
>Damn!!!...this new Logitech keyboard needs some velocity curve tweaking,
as
>does my neural network. I meant to refer to FW rather than Fx in the first
>sentence of the previous post.
>
>
>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452e8442$1@linux...
>> I think my issues with Fx have had o do with the mobo's I've been using.
>> Every friggin one seems to have the onboard FW sharing IRQ with......you
>> guessed it....the AGP. I'magine if I were to get serious about using FW,
>I'd
>> buy myself one of those *recommended* TI based cards, pop it in a PCI
slot
>> that's not sharing IRQ and likely be good to go. I wonder if it would
be
>> possible to get something like 3 x RME fireface units working this way.
>Can
>> these be daisychained? Without wretched excess, I will die.
>> ;o)
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:452e7423$1@linux...
>> >
>> > The extra pins are just power.
>> >
>> > Again, I've _never_ had a problem. I do know a bit more about computers
>> than
>> > average, so maybe that's it, or maybe I'm lucky. It just hacks me off
>when
>> > someone says such and such isn't 'pro' when I get it to work just fine.
>> >
>> > TCB
>> >
>> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>> > >I have found FW on PC to sucketh most theriously. Doesn't Mac usea
>> patented
>> > >6 pin protocall and PC use 4 pin or something like that?
>> > >
>> > >"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:452e6093@linux...
>> > >> We have had a few customers with M-audio FW interfaces that have
had
>> > >> the dissapearing problem. They have been in the middle of takes
when
>> > >> suddenly their I/O is just gone. It also makes a difference if it
is
>> > >> an on-board FW port or an add-on card. The latter seem to be more
>> > >> stable, perhaps it is a driver issue.
>> > >>
>> > >> David.
>> > >>
>> > >> TCB wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Never happened to me, and there ain't no fruit labeled computers
in
>> > my
>> > >house.
>> > >> > I use a Presonus FW interface on both my laptop and desktop all
the
>> > >time.
>> > >> > Maybe I'm just lucky.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>Having your interface "dissapear" during a session (PC) requiring
a
>> > >> >>re-boot is not what I would call pro. While the quality of the
>> > >> >>interfaces is good, it's Windows control of Firewire that is not.
>I
>> > >> >>would stay away from FW for serious work until they get it sorted
>> out.
>> > >> >> The MAC support of FW is fine, but it should be... they invented
>the
>> > >> >>thing! ;-)
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>David.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>TCB wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>>What's not 'pro' about firewire interfaces?
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound...
Card
>> > >> >>>>based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). The RME stuff sounds
>> great
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>>>and works well. The Multiface also has and adat I/O port for
>> > >> >>>>additional capability.
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>David.
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>John wrote:
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>>Rather, Which audio interfaces are truly pro quality and can
>give
>> > me
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>16 in/outs?
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>>>RME ? others ????
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Other Daw choices ? [message #73920 is a reply to message #73908] |
Thu, 12 October 2006 12:08 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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No disrespect meant here at all, I am sure there are users who never
have problems... I am simply relating our experiences regarding PC-FW.
Regards,
David.
TCB wrote:
> The extra pins are just power.
>
> Again, I've _never_ had a problem. I do know a bit more about computers than
> average, so maybe that's it, or maybe I'm lucky. It just hacks me off when
> someone says such and such isn't 'pro' when I get it to work just fine.
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>
>>I have found FW on PC to sucketh most theriously. Doesn't Mac usea patented
>>6 pin protocall and PC use 4 pin or something like that?
>>
>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:452e6093@linux...
>>
>>>We have had a few customers with M-audio FW interfaces that have had
>>>the dissapearing problem. They have been in the middle of takes when
>>>suddenly their I/O is just gone. It also makes a difference if it is
>>>an on-board FW port or an add-on card. The latter seem to be more
>>>stable, perhaps it is a driver issue.
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Never happened to me, and there ain't no fruit labeled computers in
>
> my
>
>>house.
>>
>>>>I use a Presonus FW interface on both my laptop and desktop all the
>>
>>time.
>>
>>>>Maybe I'm just lucky.
>>>>
>>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Having your interface "dissapear" during a session (PC) requiring a
>>>>>re-boot is not what I would call pro. While the quality of the
>>>>>interfaces is good, it's Windows control of Firewire that is not. I
>>>>>would stay away from FW for serious work until they get it sorted out.
>>>>>The MAC support of FW is fine, but it should be... they invented the
>>>>>thing! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>David.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What's not 'pro' about firewire interfaces?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound... Card
>>>>>>>based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). The RME stuff sounds great
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>and works well. The Multiface also has and adat I/O port for
>>>>>>>additional capability.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rather, Which audio interfaces are truly pro quality and can give
>
> me
>
>>>>>>16 in/outs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>RME ? others ????
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>
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