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Pro Tools vs. Analog Console Mixing: How sonically different are they? [message #88892]

Fri, 10 August 2007 13:31

Steve Helm
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Registered: April 2006

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Anyone want to revive the old summing debate?
Check out Digi's In the box vs SSL comparison.

http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=49&langid=100& amp;itemid=25669

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Re: Pro Tools vs. Analog Console Mixing: How sonically differentare they? [message #88893 is a reply to message #88892]

Fri, 10 August 2007 14:18

EK Sound

Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005

Senior Member

If it wasn't done by Digi... sure. The are several flaws associated
with the test, and the mix files are compressed audio so it's
difficult to pick out the nuances.

Also this from the front page:

"we did an experiment to see how closely we could match some mixes
done on a large-format analog console using Pro Tools and modeled
console channel strip plug-ins, and have posted the resulting audio
files for you to hear"

This means it isn't an A-B summing thing... the PT mixes were altered
to try and "sound like" the SSL mixes... not a direct comparison of
ITB vs External Summing.

my $.02

David.

Steve Helm wrote:
> Anyone want to revive the old summing debate?
> Check out Digi's In the box vs SSL comparison.
>
> http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=49&langid=100& amp;itemid=25669

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Re: Pro Tools vs. Analog Console Mixing: How sonically different are they? [message #88895 is a reply to message #88893]

Fri, 10 August 2007 14:22

Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:46bcd814$1@linux...
> If it wasn't done by Digi... sure. The are several flaws associated with
> the test, and the mix files are compressed audio so it's difficult to pick
> out the nuances.

Heheh!!!!!.....but what difference does it make really, if everyone is
listening to compressed audio anyway? Seems the test may be *more* valid by
offering up files in the final master format.

>
> Also this from the front page:
>
> "we did an experiment to see how closely we could match some mixes done on
> a large-format analog console using Pro Tools and modeled console channel
> strip plug-ins, and have posted the resulting audio files for you to hear"
>
> This means it isn't an A-B summing thing... the PT mixes were altered to
> try and "sound like" the SSL mixes... not a direct comparison of ITB vs
> External Summing.
>
> my $.02
>
> David.

Well, I always have a 2 x track of a master mix done in a similar genre that
I use as a reference when mixing anyway so this would be sorta' the same
thing wouldn't it?............now just picture Chris Lord Alge using a
reference file of a mix done by Roger Nichols and you'll get my drift.

;oD

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Re: Pro Tools vs. Analog Console Mixing: How sonically differentare they? [message #88896 is a reply to message #88895]

Fri, 10 August 2007 14:43

EK Sound

Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005

Senior Member

Yah, 95% of the public is listening to 3rd or 4th generation rips of
high speed written, block errored to death CD's sourced from MP3's
created quickly with bad sounding codecs...

Bandwidth? what bandwidth? ;-)

David.

DJ wrote:

> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:46bcd814$1@linux...
>
>>If it wasn't done by Digi... sure. The are several flaws associated with
>>the test, and the mix files are compressed audio so it's difficult to pick
>>out the nuances.
>
>
> Heheh!!!!!.....but what difference does it make really, if everyone is
> listening to compressed audio anyway? Seems the test may be *more* valid by
> offering up files in the final master format.
>
>
>
>>Also this from the front page:
>>
>>"we did an experiment to see how closely we could match some mixes done on
>>a large-format analog console using Pro Tools and modeled console channel
>>strip plug-ins, and have posted the resulting audio files for you to hear"
>>
>>This means it isn't an A-B summing thing... the PT mixes were altered to
>>try and "sound like" the SSL mixes... not a direct comparison of ITB vs
>>External Summing.
>>
>>my $.02
>>
>>David.
>
>
> Well, I always have a 2 x track of a master mix done in a similar genre that
> I use as a reference when mixing anyway so this would be sorta' the same
> thing wouldn't it?............now just picture Chris Lord Alge using a
> reference file of a mix done by Roger Nichols and you'll get my drift.
>
> ;oD
>
>
>

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Re: Pro Tools vs. Analog Console Mixing: How sonically different are they? [message #88898 is a reply to message #88895]

Fri, 10 August 2007 16:59

wireline[35]
Messages: 1
Registered: August 2007

Junior Member

A friend of mine (and Deej's) out of Nashville recently released a CD on which
10 of 11 songs were mixed 100% ITB with PTHD...the other one was mixed using
schweet outboard and a killer console...

I can't tell which is which, and he ain't talking...

Why bring this up? I don't know...just lonely I guess...that, and when the
mix engineer is 100% on game, the differences all become moot...add that
to what's already been said about hypercompressing really crappy music to
formats crummier than cassettes, what difference does any of it make?

Jaded but still looking for an alibi,

K

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Re: Pro Tools vs. Analog Console Mixing: How sonically different are they? [message #88899 is a reply to message #88892]

Fri, 10 August 2007 17:09

LaMontt

Messages: 424
Registered: January 2007

Senior Member

well without going too deep into the debate, but here are my findings:

any daw includung paris improves with a ny mixer (digital or analog)..
end of story

"Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>
>Anyone want to revive the old summing debate?
>Check out Digi's In the box vs SSL comparison.
>
> http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=49&langid=100& amp;itemid=25669

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Re: Pro Tools vs. Analog Console Mixing: How sonically differentare they? [message #88901 is a reply to message #88892]

Fri, 10 August 2007 17:45

Bill L

Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006

Senior Member

You guys should take the challenge. I got 57% correct. It *seemed* to me
the PT mixes were a little less wide, but hey look at my score. I only
listened to the Chuck Loeb tune. Which totally rocked by the way.

I appreciate the effort and respect them for doing this.

Steve Helm wrote:
> Anyone want to revive the old summing debate?
> Check out Digi's In the box vs SSL comparison.
>
> http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=49&langid=100& amp;itemid=25669

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