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Re: the last paris app we need? [message #102001 is a reply to message #101890]

Fri, 09 January 2009 03:01

Wynona

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Registered: January 2009

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Hey there, haven't been on in a while, but still using PARIS.

It's too bad a lot of the discussion was PARIS vs. not PARIS, as I think
that the interesting question is, what are the apps we need that deal with
the realities of PARIS in today's world.

I really like the idea of fooling the software to think there's hardware,
even if that means you can't play or hear anything, so long as you could
export data and perhaps do some non-sound tasks. I think that would be
essential as we all face the day of dying hardware. So to me, that's the #1
PARIS app we could use. Failing that, something that can read the PPJ and
find the correct audio files and then write everything out to disk (perfect
world would include rendering FX/etc.) would at least be an ideal
export/disastery recovery too. I would definitely pay for something along
these lines.

Less critical, I do find that the PARIS native plug-ins are so resource
intensive I can't run too many (even on a gig of memory), so I resort to VST
a lot and would love to see PARIS-UI-inflected and PARIS-inspired VST
plug-ins.

"derek" <a@b.com> wrote in message news:4960e292$1@linux...
>
> hey guys :-)
>
>
> after seeing how much work is put into the paris project
> again lately (hats off to mike) ive been thinking about this
> quite a bit and until now dont quite know how to say it without
> it coming accross a bit offensive. but since i still am not sure
> how to put it, i told myself, i might as well just go ahead
> and just put this excuse in advance on top of it ;-) so here goes:
>
>
> with so much manpower going into paris, an essentially dead
> platform, one has to wonder, wouldnt it be smarter to
> put this manpower into something thats, how shall i put it,
> more essential in practical use? exactly how many people are
> still using paris? is it even one hundred?
>
> ive been one of the most enthousiastic supporters of the
> platform but for the life of me, i could not imagine ever
> going back to it after years in the world of full midi and video
> integration, VSTI support, total and complete latency compensation,
> sample precise editing, rendering that actually works, compability, etc
> yada
> yada. no amount of DP4 algorithm ports
> is going to change that, and i would assume that many if not
> most ex-paris users feel that way.
>
> so if you operate on this basic assumption (just follow me here
> for the sake of the argument), would it not make much more sense
> to focus on something entirely different?
> like, i would imagine the biggest hit among ex-paris users
> and soon-to-be-ex-paris users would be a conversion application
> that reads paris projects, just the most basic stuff
> like files in use and position info and would convert
> that into...dunno...an OMF maybe? maybe too complicated
> (OMFs crossplatform compability seems to be a constantly moving
> target and suck big time)..maybe just a bunch of rendered
> continous wave files that get their data from the project file
> and the associated pafs?
>
> or maybe a completely different approach, a "hardware driver"
> that fools the paris software into believing a fully functioning
> EDS card with attached audio interface is present - so that
> you can launch paris 3.0 on any computer and use the paris
> software to convert projects into OMFs. you know, just a
> dead end that on the other end pretends to the software
> whatever the software asks for during boot to actually
> get to the project window. no actual audio support, just
> a fake hardware so that you can get to the software level
> where you then could ressurrect your files.
>
> i know suggesting something like this is kind of an insult to the work
> thats
> currently being done (and that is exactly
> what i would want to avoid), but can you see how that would
> make a lot more sense to a lot more people?
>
> to me, these days, the most important thing about paris
> is the question of how i get past projects off that platform
> whenever i need to work on them again. i still have a
> working paris computer in the second control room but its
> collecting dust, the system is slowly fading away as only
> outdated pre-XP windows systems were able to do, and
> the hardware side doesnt look to promising either.
>
> and same thing about the effects: porting the awesome and
> at times timeless effects from ensoniq effect history is
> great - but why on earth do it for this outdated platform?
> in the real world i know zero paris users that still use paris
> (and i used to know a LOT), but i know lots and lots of
> fans of the good old ensoniq stuff that would pay hard cash
> for VST ports of some of the ensoniq algorithms.
>
> not to mention that you would be able to use those effects
> in paris then too, on modern computers probably in 50 times
> more instances than on the EDS card, if you just take the
> paris eq VST plugin as orientation (try to max out any current
> machine by opening instances of that plugin - its more or less
> impossible).
>
>
> i feel like i have to state that again, i so much admire you
> people who do all this, so please dont get these suggestions
> wrong.
>
>
> thanks for listening :-)
> derek

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		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Sun, 04 January 2009 17:04
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		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Mon, 05 January 2009 03:15
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Ted Gerber on Tue, 06 January 2009 06:33
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		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Fri, 09 January 2009 12:29
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Ted Gerber on Fri, 09 January 2009 15:00
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: EK Sound on Fri, 09 January 2009 13:56
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Ted Gerber on Fri, 09 January 2009 15:32
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Fri, 09 January 2009 16:41
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: kerryg on Sun, 04 January 2009 18:29
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Mon, 05 January 2009 03:58
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Aaron Allen on Mon, 05 January 2009 06:25
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		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Thu, 08 January 2009 07:03
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Aaron Allen on Thu, 08 January 2009 06:50
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Thu, 08 January 2009 11:10
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Gantt Kushner on Thu, 08 January 2009 14:28
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Mike Audet on Thu, 08 January 2009 15:35
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		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Aaron Allen on Thu, 08 January 2009 17:03
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Fri, 09 January 2009 12:42
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: TC on Fri, 09 January 2009 11:49
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Chris Ludwig on Thu, 08 January 2009 14:28
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Fri, 09 January 2009 12:34
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: kerryg on Thu, 08 January 2009 08:37
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		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Mon, 05 January 2009 03:31
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Aaron Allen on Mon, 05 January 2009 06:29
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		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Gantt Kushner on Tue, 06 January 2009 10:15
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		Re: the last paris app we need? By: EK Sound on Tue, 06 January 2009 13:34
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		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Gantt Kushner on Tue, 06 January 2009 21:21
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: kerryg on Tue, 06 January 2009 20:25
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Thu, 08 January 2009 07:06
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: excelav on Thu, 08 January 2009 20:51
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Fri, 09 January 2009 13:21
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: excelav on Fri, 09 January 2009 15:31
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Ted Gerber on Fri, 09 January 2009 16:40
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		Re: the last paris app we need? By: excelav on Fri, 09 January 2009 18:56
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