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| External Processing [message #62287] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 13:21  |
Clifford Coulter
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hannels of I/O of your choice.
>> LaMont
>>
>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>> >Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16 I/Os
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>> >for ?
>> >
>> >LaMont wrote:
>> >> Hey guys,
>> >>
>> >> I know that this is an old thread, but I have
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| Re: External Processing [message #62291 is a reply to message #62287] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 13:37  |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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em to disprove
> personal experience the test is faulted instead of the experience. That's
> fine, ears are very fine instruments and some are just better than others.
>
>
> That said, I now work a good bit of my time in the finance world where
fortunes
> are made and lost according to the certitude of people in their
experiences
> or mathmatical models. Over time this has lead me to believe more in
emperical
> results than my experience. So if I do my own blind tests with the
Nashville
> CD and can't generate statistically significant data that DAWs sound
different
> then *I* will believe they sound the same. This could mean a flawed test
> or flawed ears but that's my belief until someone can present me with more
> convincing data.
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> But hey, that's just me. I've also done mixes of 30+ tracks in SX and
think
> they sound quite nice.
>
> TCB
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >
> >Hey guys,
> >
> >I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with
assessments
> >on Pro Tools sound quality.
> >
> >First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
> Gospel
> >Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and ITB
> >(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
> >
> >At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's
elequent
> >editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
> in
> >!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
> same
> >mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
tracks,
> >things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost or
> >they don't sit right.
> >
> >However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
intacked,
> >and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
> >
> >Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
discussions
> >about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
Opinions
> >varied,b
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| Re: External Processing [message #62470 is a reply to message #62291] |
Thu, 05 January 2006 00:58 |
Clifford Coulter
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>>>>>>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after
>30
>>>>>
>>>>> tracks,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>>>>they don't sit right.
>>>>>>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
>
>>>>>>>intacked,
>>>>>>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in
>>>>>>>Paris..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
>>>>>>>discussions
>>>>>>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
>
>>>>>>>Opinions
>>>>>>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult
>it
>>>>>
>>>>> was
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what
>i/o
>>>>>
>>>>> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in
>>>>>>>SX/Nuendo..Where
>>>>>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not.. Hey,Just one Engineer's
>>>>>>>opinon.
>>>>>>>P.S
>>>>>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
>>>>>
>>>>> floating
>>>>>
>>>>>>>point mixer..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yukkk,
>>>>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010,
>and
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
>>>>>>>>tiresome
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>&g
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| Re: External Processing [message #62479 is a reply to message #62470] |
Thu, 05 January 2006 04:19 |
John [1]
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.I just asked him what he used, and that's what he said. I didn't
know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
Rod
"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> > Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into the Digi 002.
>> > Any suggestions?
>
>
>Is this Mackie the VLZpro series?
>I don't know how the new Onyx pres compare.
>
>He could try to audition the cheap Behringer ADA8000 with it.
>
>http://www.studioprojects.com/sp828.html
>This is an 8 channel mic pre about $800, that needs to be run into an ADC.
>
>Just ideas to keep cost in check.
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>Regards,
>
>El Miguel
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>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:43bca3d6@linux...
>> Yeah, avoid that LT man.. cheap hardware, inconsistent volumes across
it
>and
>> just generally felt shoddy.
>> I'd take a Behr ADA8000 over it 'any day' to be honest, and it's a whole
>lot
>> less money.
>> Not sure what the current recommend is though bro, I've been out of that
>> market for a while now and I'd hate to mislead ya.
>>
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:43bc0147$1@linux...
>> >
>> > I've got a friend/client who's looking for an 8 channel mic pre that
has
>> > lightpipe/spdif
>> > outs. He's running a digi 002 rig and wants to bypass the digi A/D
>stage.
>> > He wants it to be good, but affordability is a concern. He was looking
a
>> > a presonus digimax LT, but I saw that Aaron had some experience with
>those
>> > and wasn't that hot on them.
>> > Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into the Digi 002.
>> > Any suggestions?
>> > TIA
>> > Rod
>>
>>
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>Aaron, the comp I'm talking about has the Triton board. It's got sata already,
doesn't it? I'm sure it does.
Rod
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>> Open PCI slot- Whats that? :-)
>> g
>
>The place where one sticks that last EDS/UAD card, LOL!
>
>On that note, behold.. feel the love on the cheap:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168161231 04
>
>... or feel it on the bleedin' edge:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168161180 29
>
>I didn't even know that they 'had' RAID50... yikes!
>
>AA
>
>"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in messag
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| Re: External Processing [message #62772 is a reply to message #62479] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 23:22 |
Clifford Coulter
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How do you route a fader to spdif
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>No, you only have to assign the fader (that you routed to spdif) to
>another fader on the same submix. Not the example routes the processed
>channel 10 to 11 on the same submix.
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>Clifford Coulter wrote:
>> Thanks John I think I got it.
>>
>> It looks like you have to assign the track to a seperate sub mix
>> I hope thats it
>>
>> Clifford
>>
>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>You can route to the SPDIF out and then back in on a different channel.
>>>
>>>SPDIF Rendering
>>>--------------------------
>>>Patchbay workaround for bouncing tracks and rendering plugins
>>>
>>>Tired of zeroing/clearing a mix to bounce a track or tracks to a new
>>>file? Or wish you could render native plugins while listening and
>>>adjusting in context. No problem.
>>>
>>>Open the Patch Bay. Clear all your SPDIF I/O connections. Physically (as
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>>>in, on the back of your Paris 442 or MEC) loop your Paris SPDIF in to
>>>your Paris SPDIF out with a short cable. Go back to the Patch Bay.
>>>
>>>In the Patch Bay, connect the "Mixer Insert" SEND of the source channel
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>>>for the bounce to the left SPDIF output (dL) on your 442 or MEC. Connect
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>>>the SPDIF left input (dL) back to the same channel's "Mixer Insert"
>>>Return to complete the loop. Now connect the same left SPDIF output to
>>>the "Submixer Input" of the Destination channel you want to
>>>bounce/record to. Select "External" on the EDS insert on the source channel.
>>>
>>>Enable Record on the Destination channel. That's it. Record away. You
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>>>can use your mixer normally while you bounce with no ill effect. And in
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>>>a case of good fortune, since the EDS inserts are after the native
>>>inserts, any active plugins will be printed while bouncing. Great for
>>>rendering AutoTune or various other plugin settings for different song
>>>sections. For the price of time and disk space, you have unlimited plugins.
>>>
>>>Example. You have a track on track 10 and you want to render this to
>>>track 11. In the Patchbay:
>>> Mixer-A channel 11 connects to MEC-Master-A Digital In Left
>>> MEC-Master-A Digital In Left connects to Mixer-A-Insert Return10
>>> MEC-Master-A Digital Out Left connects to Mixer-A-Insert Send10
>>> Select "External" on the EDS insert on the source channel.
>>>
>>>
>>>Clifford Coulter wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello
>>>>
>>>>I have a 2 EDS card Paris System and a Mec. with no extra cards in it
>>>>running on a Macintosh
>>>>I would like to know if it is possible to route Channel one to the Digital
>>>>out
>>>>and send it to my other computer, process it and send back to the Digital
>>>>in and route it back into channel one
>>>>
>>>>if not how do I get any channel routed to an external device and back
>>
>> into
>>
>>>>PARIS
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>Clifford
>>>>
>>
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