Home » The PARIS Forums » PARIS: Main » Block buys???
| Block buys??? [message #76607] |
Sat, 02 December 2006 08:52  |
![brandon[2] is currently offline](/theme/PARIS_Forum_Template/images/offline.png "brandon[2] is currently offline")
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Ok...I am considering doing what Niel suggested an selling blocks
of time in my studio on the weekends.
What is the common industry practice regarding block buys?
How do block rates work?
What are the rules surrounding block rates?
What is the common scheduled hours for block buys?Saturday 7AM-7PM and Sunday
7AM-7PM???
What if the customer only ends up using 1 day and 1/2. Is it a use or loose
deal?
Thaks,
Brandon
|
|
|
|
| Re: Block buys??? [message #76619 is a reply to message #76607] |
Sat, 02 December 2006 10:32  |
Nil
Messages: 245
Registered: March 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
You can do whatever you want in terms of pricing... the idea
is that you're simply giving the client a discount for the
block of time vs. what they'd pay if they booked it by the hour.
For example, if your normal rate is $60 a hour, you might price
a ten-hour block at $500. Some places sell 12-hour blocks, as
well or instead) you can structure it any way you want. It's
also known as a "day rate" Google a few studios & see if you
can find some that list their rates on their website (some do,
some don't) to get an idea. Some studios consider their day rate
a complete "lockout" for as many hours as you want to go, but
those are the also (sometimes) the ones that have more than one
engineer they can schedule in, so a session might start at 10
in the morning & go 'til 2 or 3am, but since you're just one
guy, you have to determine if you want to hang that long (I've
done PLENTY of those when I worked in a studio, sometimes for
weeks on end when there's a big project!).
There is no "common" scheduling for this sort of thing - it's
pretty much what you can fit the client in for, based on what
kind of start time they want. If they want to book two ten-hour
blocks over a weekend, one starting at 10am on Saturday &
the other starting at Noon on Sunday, and that works for your
schedule, then there you have it.
Brandon, here's what I would suggest... and I know virtually
nothing about the recording scene in your market, so I could be
wrong, but I'm guessing that most of the bands & musicians
that you're going to be able to bring in when you're just
starting out are going to be part-time musicians with a day
job, students with a little bit of extra money (either theirs
or Dad's), and that sort of thing... E.J. will not be coming by
right away, in other words :) and don't forget the
occasional Mom who thinks her daughter has "just the BEST voice
you've ever heard!" & wants to do just one song. I'm gonna
venture a guess & say that most of the bands in this
classification aren't going to be doing a full CD at their
point of evolution, so what if you offer packages geared around
a 3 to 4 song demo and another single-song package? Something
like this, perhaps:
WEEKEND DEMO PACKAGE:
3 to 4-song demo... allows for up to 20 hours of recording &
mixdown (Two 10-hour blocks, one on Saturday, one on Sunday;
start times are flexible based on agreed-to scheduling at time
of contract). Package includes:
* Set-up on Friday evening (up to four hours) at no charge.
* Complete Recording & Mixdown of up to four songs.
* Audio CD containing the final mixes for each band member (up
to six band members).
* Full backup & archiving of raw tracks, as well as all mixes.
Total Value of package = $1,500
Special Package Price = $1,000
SINGLE SONG PACKAGE:
Allows for up to five hours of recording and mixdown of singer,
plus one to two accompanying instruments (Client to provide
instruments/musicians. "Karaoke" tracks may also be used for
accompaniment - in this case, these must also be provided by
the client) Scheduling based on availability of time. Package
includes:
* One hour of set-up time at no charge.
* Complete Recording & Mixdown of one song.
* Three (3) Audio CD's containing the final mix of the song.
* Full backup & archiving of raw tracks, as well as the final
mix.
Total Value of package = $400
Special Package Price = $300
NOTES: Time in excess of the above-mentioned package blocks
will be billed at our standard rate of $60 per hour. Additional
CD's are available at the price of 5 for $15. 50% deposit
required at time of booking, with the remaining 50% to be paid
at any time prior to the completion of the mixdowns. No
recorded product may leave the studio until payment in full is
received.
Packaging it this way means you're not just selling "time",
you're selling the end result... which is what they're looking
for anyway. The single-song package works out to a lower hourly
rate, because you're not recording a full band's worth of
instruments - it would be one those "knock it out in a
weeknight" kinda things for the stage mom who wants a CD of
their kid singing "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" or for the
person who has written "one great song" and wants to bring
their acoustic guitar in & record him playing & singing - that
sorta thing.
Whaddya think?
Neil
"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>
>Ok...I am considering doing what Niel suggested an selling blocks
>of time in my studio on the weekends.
>What is the common industry practice regarding block buys?
>How do block rates work?
>What are the rules surrounding block rates?
>What is the common scheduled hours for block buys?Saturday 7AM-7PM and Sunday
>7AM-7PM???
>What if the customer only ends up using 1 day and 1/2. Is it a use or loose
>deal?
>
>Thaks,
>Brandon
|
|
|
|
| Re: Block buys??? [message #76635 is a reply to message #76619] |
Sat, 02 December 2006 12:44 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Wow Niel, thanks for the help.
So my only last question is when they buy the single song package
and they only use 2 1/2 hours are they still obligated to the whole $300?
Same question applies to the other packages.
Thanks,
b
"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>You can do whatever you want in terms of pricing... the idea
>is that you're simply giving the client a discount for the
>block of time vs. what they'd pay if they booked it by the hour.
>For example, if your normal rate is $60 a hour, you might price
>a ten-hour block at $500. Some places sell 12-hour blocks, as
>well or instead) you can structure it any way you want. It's
>also known as a "day rate" Google a few studios & see if you
>can find some that list their rates on their website (some do,
>some don't) to get an idea. Some studios consider their day rate
>a complete "lockout" for as many hours as you want to go, but
>those are the also (sometimes) the ones that have more than one
>engineer they can schedule in, so a session might start at 10
>in the morning & go 'til 2 or 3am, but since you're just one
>guy, you have to determine if you want to hang that long (I've
>done PLENTY of those when I worked in a studio, sometimes for
>weeks on end when there's a big project!).
>
>There is no "common" scheduling for this sort of thing - it's
>pretty much what you can fit the client in for, based on what
>kind of start time they want. If they want to book two ten-hour
>blocks over a weekend, one starting at 10am on Saturday &
>the other starting at Noon on Sunday, and that works for your
>schedule, then there you have it.
>
>Brandon, here's what I would suggest... and I know virtually
>nothing about the recording scene in your market, so I could be
>wrong, but I'm guessing that most of the bands & musicians
>that you're going to be able to bring in when you're just
>starting out are going to be part-time musicians with a day
>job, students with a little bit of extra money (either theirs
>or Dad's), and that sort of thing... E.J. will not be coming by
>right away, in other words :) and don't forget the
>occasional Mom who thinks her daughter has "just the BEST voice
>you've ever heard!" & wants to do just one song. I'm gonna
>venture a guess & say that most of the bands in this
>classification aren't going to be doing a full CD at their
>point of evolution, so what if you offer packages geared around
>a 3 to 4 song demo and another single-song package? Something
>like this, perhaps:
>
>WEEKEND DEMO PACKAGE:
>3 to 4-song demo... allows for up to 20 hours of recording &
>mixdown (Two 10-hour blocks, one on Saturday, one on Sunday;
>start times are flexible based on agreed-to scheduling at time
>of contract). Package includes:
>* Set-up on Friday evening (up to four hours) at no charge.
>* Complete Recording & Mixdown of up to four songs.
>* Audio CD containing the final mixes for each band member (up
> to six band members).
>* Full backup & archiving of raw tracks, as well as all mixes.
>Total Value of package = $1,500
>Special Package Price = $1,000
>
>SINGLE SONG PACKAGE:
>Allows for up to five hours of recording and mixdown of singer,
>plus one to two accompanying instruments (Client to provide
>instruments/musicians. "Karaoke" tracks may also be used for
>accompaniment - in this case, these must also be provided by
>the client) Scheduling based on availability of time. Package
>includes:
>* One hour of set-up time at no charge.
>* Complete Recording & Mixdown of one song.
>* Three (3) Audio CD's containing the final mix of the song.
>* Full backup & archiving of raw tracks, as well as the final
> mix.
>Total Value of package = $400
>Special Package Price = $300
>
>NOTES: Time in excess of the above-mentioned package blocks
>will be billed at our standard rate of $60 per hour. Additional
>CD's are available at the price of 5 for $15. 50% deposit
>required at time of booking, with the remaining 50% to be paid
>at any time prior to the completion of the mixdowns. No
>recorded product may leave the studio until payment in full is
>received.
>
>Packaging it this way means you're not just selling "time",
>you're selling the end result... which is what they're looking
>for anyway. The single-song package works out to a lower hourly
>rate, because you're not recording a full band's worth of
>instruments - it would be one those "knock it out in a
>weeknight" kinda things for the stage mom who wants a CD of
>their kid singing "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" or for the
>person who has written "one great song" and wants to bring
>their acoustic guitar in & record him playing & singing - that
>sorta thing.
>
>Whaddya think?
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>
>>Ok...I am considering doing what Niel suggested an selling blocks
>>of time in my studio on the weekends.
>>What is the common industry practice regarding block buys?
>>How do block rates work?
>>What are the rules surrounding block rates?
>>What is the common scheduled hours for block buys?Saturday 7AM-7PM and
Sunday
>>7AM-7PM???
>>What if the customer only ends up using 1 day and 1/2. Is it a use or loose
>>deal?
>>
>>Thaks,
>>Brandon
>
|
|
|
|
| Re: Block buys??? [message #76647 is a reply to message #76635] |
Sat, 02 December 2006 15:24 |
Nil
Messages: 245
Registered: March 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Yeah, that's why you say "UP TO 'x' number of hours".
Now if you do some single singer/songwriter guy with his
acoustic guitar & it takes you fifteen minutes to set up two
mics & get tones & he knocks it out of the park on the
first take, and you want to tell him: "Man you did a great job,
I'm gonna cut you some slack & only charge you two hundred
since we got done so fast" then that's totally up to you...
never hurts to have someone be enthusiastic about recommending
you because you gave 'em a good deal, too. Same thing with the
big package, but in that circumstance I'd guess you'd be more
likely to have bands go OVER the time alloted, rather than get
done sooner - the whole pont of the package pricing is that it
gives someone an idea of what they can get for their money...
if someone's not familiar with working in the studio, they have
NO clue about how few or how many hours it takes to get
something done, so just saying "my hourly rate is 'x'" only
gives someone a competitive comparison of your price vs.
someone else's... it still doesn't tell them what they can
expect to acomplish.
Neil
"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>Wow Niel, thanks for the help.
>So my only last question is when they buy the single song package
>and they only use 2 1/2 hours are they still obligated to the whole $300?
>Same question applies to the other packages.
>
>Thanks,
>b
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>You can do whatever you want in terms of pricing... the idea
>>is that you're simply giving the client a discount for the
>>block of time vs. what they'd pay if they booked it by the hour.
>>For example, if your normal rate is $60 a hour, you might price
>>a ten-hour block at $500. Some places sell 12-hour blocks, as
>>well or instead) you can structure it any way you want. It's
>>also known as a "day rate" Google a few studios & see if you
>>can find some that list their rates on their website (some do,
>>some don't) to get an idea. Some studios consider their day rate
>>a complete "lockout" for as many hours as you want to go, but
>>those are the also (sometimes) the ones that have more than one
>>engineer they can schedule in, so a session might start at 10
>>in the morning & go 'til 2 or 3am, but since you're just one
>>guy, you have to determine if you want to hang that long (I've
>>done PLENTY of those when I worked in a studio, sometimes for
>>weeks on end when there's a big project!).
>>
>>There is no "common" scheduling for this sort of thing - it's
>>pretty much what you can fit the client in for, based on what
>>kind of start time they want. If they want to book two ten-hour
>>blocks over a weekend, one starting at 10am on Saturday &
>>the other starting at Noon on Sunday, and that works for your
>>schedule, then there you have it.
>>
>>Brandon, here's what I would suggest... and I know virtually
>>nothing about the recording scene in your market, so I could be
>>wrong, but I'm guessing that most of the bands & musicians
>>that you're going to be able to bring in when you're just
>>starting out are going to be part-time musicians with a day
>>job, students with a little bit of extra money (either theirs
>>or Dad's), and that sort of thing... E.J. will not be coming by
>>right away, in other words :) and don't forget the
>>occasional Mom who thinks her daughter has "just the BEST voice
>>you've ever heard!" & wants to do just one song. I'm gonna
>>venture a guess & say that most of the bands in this
>>classification aren't going to be doing a full CD at their
>>point of evolution, so what if you offer packages geared around
>>a 3 to 4 song demo and another single-song package? Something
>>like this, perhaps:
>>
>>WEEKEND DEMO PACKAGE:
>>3 to 4-song demo... allows for up to 20 hours of recording &
>>mixdown (Two 10-hour blocks, one on Saturday, one on Sunday;
>>start times are flexible based on agreed-to scheduling at time
>>of contract). Package includes:
>>* Set-up on Friday evening (up to four hours) at no charge.
>>* Complete Recording & Mixdown of up to four songs.
>>* Audio CD containing the final mixes for each band member (up
>> to six band members).
>>* Full backup & archiving of raw tracks, as well as all mixes.
>>Total Value of package = $1,500
>>Special Package Price = $1,000
>>
>>SINGLE SONG PACKAGE:
>>Allows for up to five hours of recording and mixdown of singer,
>>plus one to two accompanying instruments (Client to provide
>>instruments/musicians. "Karaoke" tracks may also be used for
>>accompaniment - in this case, these must also be provided by
>>the client) Scheduling based on availability of time. Package
>>includes:
>>* One hour of set-up time at no charge.
>>* Complete Recording & Mixdown of one song.
>>* Three (3) Audio CD's containing the final mix of the song.
>>* Full backup & archiving of raw tracks, as well as the final
>> mix.
>>Total Value of package = $400
>>Special Package Price = $300
>>
>>NOTES: Time in excess of the above-mentioned package blocks
>>will be billed at our standard rate of $60 per hour. Additional
>>CD's are available at the price of 5 for $15. 50% deposit
>>required at time of booking, with the remaining 50% to be paid
>>at any time prior to the completion of the mixdowns. No
>>recorded product may leave the studio until payment in full is
>>received.
>>
>>Packaging it this way means you're not just selling "time",
>>you're selling the end result... which is what they're looking
>>for anyway. The single-song package works out to a lower hourly
>>rate, because you're not recording a full band's worth of
>>instruments - it would be one those "knock it out in a
>>weeknight" kinda things for the stage mom who wants a CD of
>>their kid singing "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" or for the
>>person who has written "one great song" and wants to bring
>>their acoustic guitar in & record him playing & singing - that
>>sorta thing.
>>
>>Whaddya think?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok...I am considering doing what Niel suggested an selling blocks
>>>of time in my studio on the weekends.
>>>What is the common industry practice regarding block buys?
>>>How do block rates work?
>>>What are the rules surrounding block rates?
>>>What is the common scheduled hours for block buys?Saturday 7AM-7PM and
>Sunday
>>>7AM-7PM???
>>>What if the customer only ends up using 1 day and 1/2. Is it a use or
loose
>>>deal?
>>>
>>>Thaks,
>>>Brandon
>>
>
|
|
|
|
| Re: Block buys??? [message #76669 is a reply to message #76635] |
Sun, 03 December 2006 02:08 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
just make sure that if you do the package to allow enough time for
final mixing. just because they've bought 20 hours of time doesn't
mean that 19 of them is for tracking. you'll have editing (at
whatever level of fixing is needed) and at least 2 hours (and that's
cutting it close) per song for mixing. hopefully the songs will be
similar in nature and one final mix will serve as a template for the
rest.
On 3 Dec 2006 06:44:50 +1000, "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>Wow Niel, thanks for the help.
>So my only last question is when they buy the single song package
>and they only use 2 1/2 hours are they still obligated to the whole $300?
>Same question applies to the other packages.
>
>Thanks,
>b
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>You can do whatever you want in terms of pricing... the idea
>>is that you're simply giving the client a discount for the
>>block of time vs. what they'd pay if they booked it by the hour.
>>For example, if your normal rate is $60 a hour, you might price
>>a ten-hour block at $500. Some places sell 12-hour blocks, as
>>well or instead) you can structure it any way you want. It's
>>also known as a "day rate" Google a few studios & see if you
>>can find some that list their rates on their website (some do,
>>some don't) to get an idea. Some studios consider their day rate
>>a complete "lockout" for as many hours as you want to go, but
>>those are the also (sometimes) the ones that have more than one
>>engineer they can schedule in, so a session might start at 10
>>in the morning & go 'til 2 or 3am, but since you're just one
>>guy, you have to determine if you want to hang that long (I've
>>done PLENTY of those when I worked in a studio, sometimes for
>>weeks on end when there's a big project!).
>>
>>There is no "common" scheduling for this sort of thing - it's
>>pretty much what you can fit the client in for, based on what
>>kind of start time they want. If they want to book two ten-hour
>>blocks over a weekend, one starting at 10am on Saturday &
>>the other starting at Noon on Sunday, and that works for your
>>schedule, then there you have it.
>>
>>Brandon, here's what I would suggest... and I know virtually
>>nothing about the recording scene in your market, so I could be
>>wrong, but I'm guessing that most of the bands & musicians
>>that you're going to be able to bring in when you're just
>>starting out are going to be part-time musicians with a day
>>job, students with a little bit of extra money (either theirs
>>or Dad's), and that sort of thing... E.J. will not be coming by
>>right away, in other words :) and don't forget the
>>occasional Mom who thinks her daughter has "just the BEST voice
>>you've ever heard!" & wants to do just one song. I'm gonna
>>venture a guess & say that most of the bands in this
>>classification aren't going to be doing a full CD at their
>>point of evolution, so what if you offer packages geared around
>>a 3 to 4 song demo and another single-song package? Something
>>like this, perhaps:
>>
>>WEEKEND DEMO PACKAGE:
>>3 to 4-song demo... allows for up to 20 hours of recording &
>>mixdown (Two 10-hour blocks, one on Saturday, one on Sunday;
>>start times are flexible based on agreed-to scheduling at time
>>of contract). Package includes:
>>* Set-up on Friday evening (up to four hours) at no charge.
>>* Complete Recording & Mixdown of up to four songs.
>>* Audio CD containing the final mixes for each band member (up
>> to six band members).
>>* Full backup & archiving of raw tracks, as well as all mixes.
>>Total Value of package = $1,500
>>Special Package Price = $1,000
>>
>>SINGLE SONG PACKAGE:
>>Allows for up to five hours of recording and mixdown of singer,
>>plus one to two accompanying instruments (Client to provide
>>instruments/musicians. "Karaoke" tracks may also be used for
>>accompaniment - in this case, these must also be provided by
>>the client) Scheduling based on availability of time. Package
>>includes:
>>* One hour of set-up time at no charge.
>>* Complete Recording & Mixdown of one song.
>>* Three (3) Audio CD's containing the final mix of the song.
>>* Full backup & archiving of raw tracks, as well as the final
>> mix.
>>Total Value of package = $400
>>Special Package Price = $300
>>
>>NOTES: Time in excess of the above-mentioned package blocks
>>will be billed at our standard rate of $60 per hour. Additional
>>CD's are available at the price of 5 for $15. 50% deposit
>>required at time of booking, with the remaining 50% to be paid
>>at any time prior to the completion of the mixdowns. No
>>recorded product may leave the studio until payment in full is
>>received.
>>
>>Packaging it this way means you're not just selling "time",
>>you're selling the end result... which is what they're looking
>>for anyway. The single-song package works out to a lower hourly
>>rate, because you're not recording a full band's worth of
>>instruments - it would be one those "knock it out in a
>>weeknight" kinda things for the stage mom who wants a CD of
>>their kid singing "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" or for the
>>person who has written "one great song" and wants to bring
>>their acoustic guitar in & record him playing & singing - that
>>sorta thing.
>>
>>Whaddya think?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok...I am considering doing what Niel suggested an selling blocks
>>>of time in my studio on the weekends.
>>>What is the common industry practice regarding block buys?
>>>How do block rates work?
>>>What are the rules surrounding block rates?
>>>What is the common scheduled hours for block buys?Saturday 7AM-7PM and
>Sunday
>>>7AM-7PM???
>>>What if the customer only ends up using 1 day and 1/2. Is it a use or loose
>>>deal?
>>>
>>>Thaks,
>>>Brandon
>>
|
|
|
|
Goto Forum:
Current Time: Mon Sep 23 06:24:34 PDT 2024
Total time taken to generate the page: 0.04674 seconds
|
The PARIS Forums
Search
Help
Members
Register
Login
Home
