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| OK, what about this then . . . [message #93191] |
Thu, 29 November 2007 23:27  |
Sarah
Messages: 608
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Assuming I can talk the studio owner out of replacing Paris with his budget
Pro Tools M thing, I had a couple other ideas that might appease the hungry
techie in him.
One idea, what if we just upgrade the Paris computer? How risky is that?
It's so old, I don't even know what it is anymore, and that makes me a bit
nervous starting on a new CD project. If I do the "properties" thing, it
tells me that I have a "GenuineIntel x86 Family 6 Model 8 stepping 3,"
whatever the hell that means. It's pentium III or Celeron or something
right? Anyway, it's got a whopping 192 mb of RAM, and a mind-boggling 26 GB
of hard drive (two 4 gigs and one 18 gig). Would Paris be OK with a new
computer? Does it run in XP? Other potential problems . . . ?
Another idea would be to not only upgrade the computer, but also to expand
Paris using the spare system I have hibernating in my closet to give us 32
tracks. What does that involve aside from plugging in another EDS card?
I know you guys have discouraged me from doing anything to a working Paris
rig, but this thing's at least 7 years old, maybe more, and I hate for it to
have a coronary right in the middle of our new CD project.
I don't know. Just thinking out loud here. And I heard there was a guy
around here who could build us a killer Paris system. :)
I'd like to say thank you on behalf of the band and ourselves . . .
Sarahtonin
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| Re: OK, what about this then . . . [message #93194 is a reply to message #93191] |
Fri, 30 November 2007 00:33  |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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Paris isn't likely to work on the newest, latest greatest
computer........not at all. The beauty of Paris is that it can run on a
dinosaur computer. I'd add another large audio drive and maybe the other
$EDS card and that's it. I've got some spare cables there that I'll give you
to connect the cards if you need them.
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:474fbc8e@linux...
> Assuming I can talk the studio owner out of replacing Paris with his
> budget Pro Tools M thing, I had a couple other ideas that might appease
> the hungry techie in him.
>
> One idea, what if we just upgrade the Paris computer? How risky is that?
> It's so old, I don't even know what it is anymore, and that makes me a bit
> nervous starting on a new CD project. If I do the "properties" thing, it
> tells me that I have a "GenuineIntel x86 Family 6 Model 8 stepping 3,"
> whatever the hell that means. It's pentium III or Celeron or something
> right? Anyway, it's got a whopping 192 mb of RAM, and a mind-boggling 26
> GB of hard drive (two 4 gigs and one 18 gig). Would Paris be OK with a
> new computer? Does it run in XP? Other potential problems . . . ?
>
> Another idea would be to not only upgrade the computer, but also to expand
> Paris using the spare system I have hibernating in my closet to give us 32
> tracks. What does that involve aside from plugging in another EDS card?
>
> I know you guys have discouraged me from doing anything to a working Paris
> rig, but this thing's at least 7 years old, maybe more, and I hate for it
> to have a coronary right in the middle of our new CD project.
>
> I don't know. Just thinking out loud here. And I heard there was a guy
> around here who could build us a killer Paris system. :)
>
> I'd like to say thank you on behalf of the band and ourselves . . .
>
> Sarahtonin
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| Re: OK, what about this then . . . [message #93199 is a reply to message #93191] |
Fri, 30 November 2007 06:38 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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A new/larger hard drive for audio might not be a bad thing. Be aware that
old BIOS and motherboard limitations are likely well below the largest drive
available.. check with the motherboard manufacturer for those details. Get a
Seagate 7200RPM for the drive, and on a machine of that age it'll need the
IDE interface. If you put another EDS in there be aware that they are heat
sensitive and power hungry and you 'could' buckle that old supply and start
having problems. Make sure the supply is of adequate output, say something
like at least a 400w. I wouldn't touch the memory, it'll gain you nothing
IME on Win 98. Brian T ran his monster rig of 8 cards on a Athlon 1 Ghz with
256mb of memory. You're looking at one or maybe 2 EDS cards.
Above all before you touch ANYTHING, make a Ghosted image of the system
drive.
AA
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:474fbc8e@linux...
> Assuming I can talk the studio owner out of replacing Paris with his
> budget Pro Tools M thing, I had a couple other ideas that might appease
> the hungry techie in him.
>
> One idea, what if we just upgrade the Paris computer? How risky is that?
> It's so old, I don't even know what it is anymore, and that makes me a bit
> nervous starting on a new CD project. If I do the "properties" thing, it
> tells me that I have a "GenuineIntel x86 Family 6 Model 8 stepping 3,"
> whatever the hell that means. It's pentium III or Celeron or something
> right? Anyway, it's got a whopping 192 mb of RAM, and a mind-boggling 26
> GB of hard drive (two 4 gigs and one 18 gig). Would Paris be OK with a
> new computer? Does it run in XP? Other potential problems . . . ?
>
> Another idea would be to not only upgrade the computer, but also to expand
> Paris using the spare system I have hibernating in my closet to give us 32
> tracks. What does that involve aside from plugging in another EDS card?
>
> I know you guys have discouraged me from doing anything to a working Paris
> rig, but this thing's at least 7 years old, maybe more, and I hate for it
> to have a coronary right in the middle of our new CD project.
>
> I don't know. Just thinking out loud here. And I heard there was a guy
> around here who could build us a killer Paris system. :)
>
> I'd like to say thank you on behalf of the band and ourselves . . .
>
> Sarahtonin
>
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| Re: OK, what about this then . . . [message #93200 is a reply to message #93199] |
Fri, 30 November 2007 08:01 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
Registered: June 2007
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Yes I had issues on my old paris comp that the bios it would think my large
drive was a virus! I had to ignore some startup screen every time I started
it. But the drive worked, just never showed up as full size if I recall.
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>A new/larger hard drive for audio might not be a bad thing. Be aware that
>old BIOS and motherboard limitations are likely well below the largest drive
>available.. check with the motherboard manufacturer for those details. Get
a
>Seagate 7200RPM for the drive, and on a machine of that age it'll need the
>IDE interface. If you put another EDS in there be aware that they are heat
>sensitive and power hungry and you 'could' buckle that old supply and start
>having problems. Make sure the supply is of adequate output, say something
>like at least a 400w. I wouldn't touch the memory, it'll gain you nothing
>IME on Win 98. Brian T ran his monster rig of 8 cards on a Athlon 1 Ghz
with
>256mb of memory. You're looking at one or maybe 2 EDS cards.
>Above all before you touch ANYTHING, make a Ghosted image of the system
>drive.
>
>AA
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>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:474fbc8e@linux...
>> Assuming I can talk the studio owner out of replacing Paris with his
>> budget Pro Tools M thing, I had a couple other ideas that might appease
>> the hungry techie in him.
>>
>> One idea, what if we just upgrade the Paris computer? How risky is that?
>> It's so old, I don't even know what it is anymore, and that makes me a
bit
>> nervous starting on a new CD project. If I do the "properties" thing,
it
>> tells me that I have a "GenuineIntel x86 Family 6 Model 8 stepping 3,"
>> whatever the hell that means. It's pentium III or Celeron or something
>> right? Anyway, it's got a whopping 192 mb of RAM, and a mind-boggling
26
>> GB of hard drive (two 4 gigs and one 18 gig). Would Paris be OK with
a
>> new computer? Does it run in XP? Other potential problems . . . ?
>>
>> Another idea would be to not only upgrade the computer, but also to expand
>> Paris using the spare system I have hibernating in my closet to give us
32
>> tracks. What does that involve aside from plugging in another EDS card?
>>
>> I know you guys have discouraged me from doing anything to a working Paris
>> rig, but this thing's at least 7 years old, maybe more, and I hate for
it
>> to have a coronary right in the middle of our new CD project.
>>
>> I don't know. Just thinking out loud here. And I heard there was a guy
>> around here who could build us a killer Paris system. :)
>>
>> I'd like to say thank you on behalf of the band and ourselves . . .
>>
>> Sarahtonin
>>
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| Re: OK, what about this then . . . [message #93203 is a reply to message #93194] |
Fri, 30 November 2007 08:07 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Deej, did you start smoking the good stuff again? You just told someone _not_
to upgrade their computer? I'd think coming from you Sara should set up an
iSCSI array in another room using 10 GBit ethernet and slave three dual opterons
to each other each with two Magma chassis in each and six EDS cards. Fever
maybe?
TCB
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>Paris isn't likely to work on the newest, latest greatest
>computer........not at all. The beauty of Paris is that it can run on a
>dinosaur computer. I'd add another large audio drive and maybe the other
>$EDS card and that's it. I've got some spare cables there that I'll give
you
>to connect the cards if you need them.
>
>
>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:474fbc8e@linux...
>> Assuming I can talk the studio owner out of replacing Paris with his
>> budget Pro Tools M thing, I had a couple other ideas that might appease
>> the hungry techie in him.
>>
>> One idea, what if we just upgrade the Paris computer? How risky is that?
>> It's so old, I don't even know what it is anymore, and that makes me a
bit
>> nervous starting on a new CD project. If I do the "properties" thing,
it
>> tells me that I have a "GenuineIntel x86 Family 6 Model 8 stepping 3,"
>> whatever the hell that means. It's pentium III or Celeron or something
>> right? Anyway, it's got a whopping 192 mb of RAM, and a mind-boggling
26
>> GB of hard drive (two 4 gigs and one 18 gig). Would Paris be OK with
a
>> new computer? Does it run in XP? Other potential problems . . . ?
>>
>> Another idea would be to not only upgrade the computer, but also to expand
>> Paris using the spare system I have hibernating in my closet to give us
32
>> tracks. What does that involve aside from plugging in another EDS card?
>>
>> I know you guys have discouraged me from doing anything to a working Paris
>> rig, but this thing's at least 7 years old, maybe more, and I hate for
it
>> to have a coronary right in the middle of our new CD project.
>>
>> I don't know. Just thinking out loud here. And I heard there was a guy
>> around here who could build us a killer Paris system. :)
>>
>> I'd like to say thank you on behalf of the band and ourselves . . .
>>
>> Sarahtonin
>>
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| Re: OK, what about this then . . . [message #93204 is a reply to message #93200] |
Fri, 30 November 2007 08:11 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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If you were using Win98 then your BIOS was right, the drive was a virus.
TCB
"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
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>Yes I had issues on my old paris comp that the bios it would think my large
>drive was a virus! I had to ignore some startup screen every time I started
>it. But the drive worked, just never showed up as full size if I recall.
>
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>A new/larger hard drive for audio might not be a bad thing. Be aware that
>
>>old BIOS and motherboard limitations are likely well below the largest
drive
>
>>available.. check with the motherboard manufacturer for those details.
Get
>a
>>Seagate 7200RPM for the drive, and on a machine of that age it'll need
the
>
>>IDE interface. If you put another EDS in there be aware that they are heat
>
>>sensitive and power hungry and you 'could' buckle that old supply and start
>
>>having problems. Make sure the supply is of adequate output, say something
>
>>like at least a 400w. I wouldn't touch the memory, it'll gain you nothing
>
>>IME on Win 98. Brian T ran his monster rig of 8 cards on a Athlon 1 Ghz
>with
>>256mb of memory. You're looking at one or maybe 2 EDS cards.
>>Above all before you touch ANYTHING, make a Ghosted image of the system
>
>>drive.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:474fbc8e@linux...
>>> Assuming I can talk the studio owner out of replacing Paris with his
>>> budget Pro Tools M thing, I had a couple other ideas that might appease
>
>>> the hungry techie in him.
>>>
>>> One idea, what if we just upgrade the Paris computer? How risky is that?
>
>>> It's so old, I don't even know what it is anymore, and that makes me
a
>bit
>>> nervous starting on a new CD project. If I do the "properties" thing,
>it
>>> tells me that I have a "GenuineIntel x86 Family 6 Model 8 stepping 3,"
>
>>> whatever the hell that means. It's pentium III or Celeron or something
>
>>> right? Anyway, it's got a whopping 192 mb of RAM, and a mind-boggling
>26
>>> GB of hard drive (two 4 gigs and one 18 gig). Would Paris be OK with
>a
>>> new computer? Does it run in XP? Other potential problems . . . ?
>>>
>>> Another idea would be to not only upgrade the computer, but also to expand
>
>>> Paris using the spare system I have hibernating in my closet to give
us
>32
>>> tracks. What does that involve aside from plugging in another EDS card?
>>>
>>> I know you guys have discouraged me from doing anything to a working
Paris
>
>>> rig, but this thing's at least 7 years old, maybe more, and I hate for
>it
>>> to have a coronary right in the middle of our new CD project.
>>>
>>> I don't know. Just thinking out loud here. And I heard there was a
guy
>
>>> around here who could build us a killer Paris system. :)
>>>
>>> I'd like to say thank you on behalf of the band and ourselves . . .
>>>
>>> Sarahtonin
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: OK, what about this then . . . [message #93214 is a reply to message #93191] |
Fri, 30 November 2007 16:37 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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>I'd like to say thank you on behalf of the band and ourselves...
....and I hope you enjoyed the audition. :o)
It's worth noting what Aaron pointed out. Brian T ran an amazing system off
a 1 gig 256 meg machine and back then we all thought a 26gig hdd was pretty
impressive. ;o)
My first Paris system was Win98, 300Mhz 64Meg ram and a 6.5 gig hdd. Only
one EDS card and I would occasionally run out of CPU grunt for plugins, but
honestly, we used to track songs while the computer was also doing other
stuff at the same time. You could lay down drums and bass while playing video,
for example, and look at the machine specs. ;o) My second Paris rig was a
1.2 gig Athlon with 256 meg of ram. It only got replaced because it was faulty
and I recognized that we were fast reaching a time when Paris wouldn't run
on most new hardware. Ironically the Athlon probably ran short on resources
just as often as the 300Mhz box, mostly because I was running Win XP on just
256 Meg. On win 98 this machine would probably never have required upgrading
for my use, which at that point was a two EDS system not unlike your own.
All that said, a new hdd isn't going to hurt you. There's nothing like having
200Gig of space sitting there. If nothing else, it means you don't hesitate
to just "jot down an idea" in demo form and waste 300meg of space.
As far as just reliability goes, you can kind of look at it two ways. On
one hand if a computer is old surely it will break soon. On the other hand,
if it's 5 years old and is still running maybe that means "you got the good
one" and it will run another 20 years. I find computers often fail after,
say, 3-4 years if they are going to fail at all. Beyond that point they tend
to fail because of mechanical hardware... dead motherboard battery, a fan
has bearing issues, perhaps a hdd goes as they also have moving parts. There
are exceptions to every rule of course, but if I have a box which is left
untouched for 5 years and runs fine I tend to have more, rather than less
faith in it.
This group is running on (I think) a 450MHz PIII with 128 meg which was probably
built around 1999. We go offline from time to time for a bit due to internet
issues, but that hardware has only failed once, and that was, as above, the
CPU fan had a bearing issue. I bought a new CPU for $15 with a fan on it
and she's been sweet since.
If I were you, assuming you don't find you need more power, I'd consider
perhaps finding the biggest economical hdd you can fit in it and just leave
it at that. If you're really really keen you might upgrade the ram, but Win98
runs nicely on over 128 with only Paris (runs ok on 64 if your install is
clean like I said).
It's a different story if you think that upgrading the computer will help
your "save Paris" case. Sometimes, even if there's no sense to it, and upgrade
can make somebody feel like they are not out of date anymore. ;o) In terms
of having a solid reliable Paris box that does everything you want however,
I wouldn't be replacing the entire box unless you have reason to do so.
Cheers,
Kim.
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Assuming I can talk the studio owner out of replacing Paris with his budget
>Pro Tools M thing, I had a couple other ideas that might appease the hungry
>techie in him.
>
>One idea, what if we just upgrade the Paris computer? How risky is that?
>It's so old, I don't even know what it is anymore, and that makes me a bit
>nervous starting on a new CD project. If I do the "properties" thing, it
>tells me that I have a "GenuineIntel x86 Family 6 Model 8 stepping 3,"
>whatever the hell that means. It's pentium III or Celeron or something
>right? Anyway, it's got a whopping 192 mb of RAM, and a mind-boggling 26
GB
>of hard drive (two 4 gigs and one 18 gig). Would Paris be OK with a new
>computer? Does it run in XP? Other potential problems . . . ?
>
>Another idea would be to not only upgrade the computer, but also to expand
>Paris using the spare system I have hibernating in my closet to give us
32
>tracks. What does that involve aside from plugging in another EDS card?
>
>I know you guys have discouraged me from doing anything to a working Paris
>rig, but this thing's at least 7 years old, maybe more, and I hate for it
to
>have a coronary right in the middle of our new CD project.
>
>I don't know. Just thinking out loud here. And I heard there was a guy
>around here who could build us a killer Paris system. :)
>
>I'd like to say thank you on behalf of the band and ourselves . . .
>
>Sarahtonin
>
>
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| Re: OK, what about this then . . . [message #93215 is a reply to message #93214] |
Fri, 30 November 2007 16:41 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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....and as Aaron says... before ANYTHING is touched...
....GHOST! :o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I'd like to say thank you on behalf of the band and ourselves...
>
>...and I hope you enjoyed the audition. :o)
>
>It's worth noting what Aaron pointed out. Brian T ran an amazing system
off
>a 1 gig 256 meg machine and back then we all thought a 26gig hdd was pretty
>impressive. ;o)
>
>My first Paris system was Win98, 300Mhz 64Meg ram and a 6.5 gig hdd. Only
>one EDS card and I would occasionally run out of CPU grunt for plugins,
but
>honestly, we used to track songs while the computer was also doing other
>stuff at the same time. You could lay down drums and bass while playing
video,
>for example, and look at the machine specs. ;o) My second Paris rig was
a
>1.2 gig Athlon with 256 meg of ram. It only got replaced because it was
faulty
>and I recognized that we were fast reaching a time when Paris wouldn't run
>on most new hardware. Ironically the Athlon probably ran short on resources
>just as often as the 300Mhz box, mostly because I was running Win XP on
just
>256 Meg. On win 98 this machine would probably never have required upgrading
>for my use, which at that point was a two EDS system not unlike your own.
>
>All that said, a new hdd isn't going to hurt you. There's nothing like having
>200Gig of space sitting there. If nothing else, it means you don't hesitate
>to just "jot down an idea" in demo form and waste 300meg of space.
>
>As far as just reliability goes, you can kind of look at it two ways. On
>one hand if a computer is old surely it will break soon. On the other hand,
>if it's 5 years old and is still running maybe that means "you got the good
>one" and it will run another 20 years. I find computers often fail after,
>say, 3-4 years if they are going to fail at all. Beyond that point they
tend
>to fail because of mechanical hardware... dead motherboard battery, a fan
>has bearing issues, perhaps a hdd goes as they also have moving parts. There
>are exceptions to every rule of course, but if I have a box which is left
>untouched for 5 years and runs fine I tend to have more, rather than less
>faith in it.
>
>This group is running on (I think) a 450MHz PIII with 128 meg which was
probably
>built around 1999. We go offline from time to time for a bit due to internet
>issues, but that hardware has only failed once, and that was, as above,
the
>CPU fan had a bearing issue. I bought a new CPU for $15 with a fan on it
>and she's been sweet since.
>
>If I were you, assuming you don't find you need more power, I'd consider
>perhaps finding the biggest economical hdd you can fit in it and just leave
>it at that. If you're really really keen you might upgrade the ram, but
Win98
>runs nicely on over 128 with only Paris (runs ok on 64 if your install is
>clean like I said).
>
>It's a different story if you think that upgrading the computer will help
>your "save Paris" case. Sometimes, even if there's no sense to it, and upgrade
>can make somebody feel like they are not out of date anymore. ;o) In terms
>of having a solid reliable Paris box that does everything you want however,
>I wouldn't be replacing the entire box unless you have reason to do so.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>
>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>Assuming I can talk the studio owner out of replacing Paris with his budget
>
>>Pro Tools M thing, I had a couple other ideas that might appease the hungry
>
>>techie in him.
>>
>>One idea, what if we just upgrade the Paris computer? How risky is that?
>
>>It's so old, I don't even know what it is anymore, and that makes me a
bit
>
>>nervous starting on a new CD project. If I do the "properties" thing,
it
>
>>tells me that I have a "GenuineIntel x86 Family 6 Model 8 stepping 3,"
>>whatever the hell that means. It's pentium III or Celeron or something
>
>>right? Anyway, it's got a whopping 192 mb of RAM, and a mind-boggling
26
>GB
>>of hard drive (two 4 gigs and one 18 gig). Would Paris be OK with a new
>
>>computer? Does it run in XP? Other potential problems . . . ?
>>
>>Another idea would be to not only upgrade the computer, but also to expand
>
>>Paris using the spare system I have hibernating in my closet to give us
>32
>>tracks. What does that involve aside from plugging in another EDS card?
>>
>>I know you guys have discouraged me from doing anything to a working Paris
>
>>rig, but this thing's at least 7 years old, maybe more, and I hate for
it
>to
>>have a coronary right in the middle of our new CD project.
>>
>>I don't know. Just thinking out loud here. And I heard there was a guy
>
>>around here who could build us a killer Paris system. :)
>>
>>I'd like to say thank you on behalf of the band and ourselves . . .
>>
>>Sarahtonin
>>
>>
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