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| Re: Let's talk about the wonderful world of line pads [message #63648 is a reply to message #63619] |
Mon, 23 January 2006 09:28   |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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Deej,
I use an iX one as my main drum and guitar mic pre. Personally, I think it
sounds great on drums and guitar amps. You're right about using something
else for more pristine sources though, cause it does have a little color to
it. Nothing drastic, but it tends to round things out a bit (good on drums
and guitar cabs IMHO). It has a ton of gain and the pads come in real handy
when I track drums. For some strange reason, my AT 4050 CM5 doesn't like the
iX one's phantom power. All my other condensers work fine with it. I suppose
I should measure the voltage sometime to see what's up. That's the only
strangeness I've had with it though.
Tony
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43d48d20@linux...
> Thanbks Gene. I certainly *get it* about the pads being before the
> transformer in the mics. I've got some high quality 3' pigtails I could
> hang
> off the back of some of my preamps to make the LP's more accessable.
> That's
> probably a more sonically desirable solution.........or I could just buy
> one
> of these
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=73830 39376&rd=1&sspagenam
> e=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
>
> and use it for the entire kit except the OH's (gotta use the GR for those
> ;o)
>
> I remember BrianT saying that he had a couple of these and thought pretty
> highly of them. You ever tried them? Looks like lots of headroom and
> pads/phase on every input.
>
>
>
>
> "gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:43d48561$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I've always heard that the best place to apply these is right into the
> ass
>> >end of the preamp........sorta like an audio suppository......however,
>> >as
>> >much as I enjoy the occasional crawl through the snakepit behind the my
>> >racks and the contortionistic mojo that I have to do to insert these
>> >into
>> >the nether regions of the preamps, I would much prefer to plug these in
>> to
>> >my switchbox between the mic cable and the rest of the snake that
>> >carries
>> >the signal from the tracking area to the preamp. Is this a major FU.
>> >Will
>> >attenuating the signal 100' from the preamp cause massive signal
>> >degradation? This would only be done when micing a drum kit, never for
>> >vocals or acoustic instruments. Sometimes I need LP's on my Sytek or
>> >Forssell JMP-6 if I'm using them on head mics. I'm thinking it wouldn't
>> be
>> >too bad........heck. lots of mics have pads so those padded signals are
>> sent
>> >down the entire signal path anyway. what's the harm?
>> >
>> >Any LP guru's out there?
>> >
>>
>>
>> "heck. lots of mics have pads so those padded signals are sent
>> >down the entire signal path anyway. what's the harm?"
>>
>> Not the same. Built in pads are almost always before the output
> transformer.
>> Therefore, they have no effect on impedance and don't limit phantom
> current.
>> You can try it. It's not always bad. Passive H-Pads inserted early in
>> long
>> runs of cable do tend to cause loss of high frequencies and clarity. Good
>> cable helps.
>> A short test recording with and without should tell you quick.
>> Gene
>>
>
>
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| Re: Let's talk about the wonderful world of line pads [message #63657 is a reply to message #63648] |
Mon, 23 January 2006 10:59 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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Thanks for the feedback on this Tony. I've sent you a couple of e-mails
recently on both your addresses, BTW.
;o)
Deej
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:43d5136b@linux...
> Deej,
>
> I use an iX one as my main drum and guitar mic pre. Personally, I think it
> sounds great on drums and guitar amps. You're right about using something
> else for more pristine sources though, cause it does have a little color
to
> it. Nothing drastic, but it tends to round things out a bit (good on drums
> and guitar cabs IMHO). It has a ton of gain and the pads come in real
handy
> when I track drums. For some strange reason, my AT 4050 CM5 doesn't like
the
> iX one's phantom power. All my other condensers work fine with it. I
suppose
> I should measure the voltage sometime to see what's up. That's the only
> strangeness I've had with it though.
>
> Tony
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43d48d20@linux...
> > Thanbks Gene. I certainly *get it* about the pads being before the
> > transformer in the mics. I've got some high quality 3' pigtails I could
> > hang
> > off the back of some of my preamps to make the LP's more accessable.
> > That's
> > probably a more sonically desirable solution.........or I could just buy
> > one
> > of these
> >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=73830 39376&rd=1&sspagenam
> > e=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
> >
> > and use it for the entire kit except the OH's (gotta use the GR for
those
> > ;o)
> >
> > I remember BrianT saying that he had a couple of these and thought
pretty
> > highly of them. You ever tried them? Looks like lots of headroom and
> > pads/phase on every input.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> > news:43d48561$1@linux...
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >I've always heard that the best place to apply these is right into the
> > ass
> >> >end of the preamp........sorta like an audio suppository......however,
> >> >as
> >> >much as I enjoy the occasional crawl through the snakepit behind the
my
> >> >racks and the contortionistic mojo that I have to do to insert these
> >> >into
> >> >the nether regions of the preamps, I would much prefer to plug these
in
> >> to
> >> >my switchbox between the mic cable and the rest of the snake that
> >> >carries
> >> >the signal from the tracking area to the preamp. Is this a major FU.
> >> >Will
> >> >attenuating the signal 100' from the preamp cause massive signal
> >> >degradation? This would only be done when micing a drum kit, never for
> >> >vocals or acoustic instruments. Sometimes I need LP's on my Sytek or
> >> >Forssell JMP-6 if I'm using them on head mics. I'm thinking it
wouldn't
> >> be
> >> >too bad........heck. lots of mics have pads so those padded signals
are
> >> sent
> >> >down the entire signal path anyway. what's the harm?
> >> >
> >> >Any LP guru's out there?
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> "heck. lots of mics have pads so those padded signals are sent
> >> >down the entire signal path anyway. what's the harm?"
> >>
> >> Not the same. Built in pads are almost always before the output
> > transformer.
> >> Therefore, they have no effect on impedance and don't limit phantom
> > current.
> >> You can try it. It's not always bad. Passive H-Pads inserted early in
> >> long
> >> runs of cable do tend to cause loss of high frequencies and clarity.
Good
> >> cable helps.
> >> A short test recording with and without should tell you quick.
> >> Gene
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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