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A little A/B [message #80300] Sun, 18 February 2007 19:24 Go to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   BRAZIL
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Do you hear a difference? Which do you like?


Re: A little A/B [message #80302 is a reply to message #80300] Sun, 18 February 2007 21:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Do you hear a difference? Which do you like?

IT'S UNFAIR!!! How can I know which one I like better unless
you tell me???

OK, seriously... first one sounds a little warmer, a little
more veiled - it's definitely easy on the ears; second one is
cleaner, crisper, more defined, a bit harder edge to it... and
is there a tiny little bit of ambience on the voice that I just
can't hear in the first one?

Can't tell which one I like best, though - not enough time on
each clip for it to really settle in, but if I had to guess
(and I do), I'd say the first one is the Neve tape sim & the
2nd portion is straight-out digi.

Neil
Re: A little A/B [message #80303 is a reply to message #80302] Sun, 18 February 2007 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   BRAZIL
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LOL!!! Well, you're right. It is interesting how the reverb is more obvious
in the straight-out digi clip. The 5042 sorta folds it into the mix whereas
it's more separately defined in the digi only track. Good call.

;o)

"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45d9292b@linux...
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Do you hear a difference? Which do you like?
>
> IT'S UNFAIR!!! How can I know which one I like better unless
> you tell me???
>
> OK, seriously... first one sounds a little warmer, a little
> more veiled - it's definitely easy on the ears; second one is
> cleaner, crisper, more defined, a bit harder edge to it... and
> is there a tiny little bit of ambience on the voice that I just
> can't hear in the first one?
>
> Can't tell which one I like best, though - not enough time on
> each clip for it to really settle in, but if I had to guess
> (and I do), I'd say the first one is the Neve tape sim & the
> 2nd portion is straight-out digi.
>
> Neil
Re: A little A/B [message #80309 is a reply to message #80300] Mon, 19 February 2007 02:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sarah is currently offline  Sarah   UNITED STATES
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The first one sounds louder, "fatter", "thicker"? and stuff like that. I'd
probably like that one best in the midst of a mix, though the other one
sounds nice and clear. Do I win?

S


"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45d91867@linux...
> Do you hear a difference? Which do you like?
>
>
Re: A little A/B [message #80310 is a reply to message #80300] Mon, 19 February 2007 05:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Do you hear a difference? Which do you like?
>
>
>
I would say the first is the Neve Portico thingy.

Ted
Re: A little A/B [message #80312 is a reply to message #80300] Mon, 19 February 2007 08:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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First sample sounds warmer, phatter, fuller than the second which sounds,
well, thinner, cooler. Interestingly, I'm registering those differences
through tiny little computer speakers. Not because my ears are particularly
good, but, I think, because the "effects" of each output setup are sonically
meaningful.
MR

"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45d91867@linux...
> Do you hear a difference? Which do you like?
>
>
>
Re: A little A/B [message #80313 is a reply to message #80312] Mon, 19 February 2007 05:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I picked it out too on my crappy comp speakers.
It wasnt that obvious but I was able to distinguish
between the two.
The 1 st was a little warmer.
It was torn at first since I think I prefer the performance in the 1st take.
I thought maybe that was biasing my decision.

--
Thanks,

Brandon



"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:45d99f6b$1@linux...
> First sample sounds warmer, phatter, fuller than the second which sounds,
> well, thinner, cooler. Interestingly, I'm registering those differences
> through tiny little computer speakers. Not because my ears are
> particularly
> good, but, I think, because the "effects" of each output setup are
> sonically
> meaningful.
> MR
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45d91867@linux...
>> Do you hear a difference? Which do you like?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: A little A/B [message #80314 is a reply to message #80313] Mon, 19 February 2007 06:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>It was torn at first since I think I prefer the performance in the 1st take.
>I thought maybe that was biasing my decision.


I believe the performance is the same - it's the same take bounced twice.
If
that's correct, it's interesting that the technology affected your sense
of the
the artist's performance.

Ted
Re: A little A/B [message #80316 is a reply to message #80314] Mon, 19 February 2007 05:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If that is the case, then I percieved the processing in the 1st take as more
pleasing
and a better performance. I think I am focusing on the vibrato of the voice
and percived timing and feel of the performance.
I guess the harshness of the 2nd take really effects how I percieve
the performance. I feel the 2nd take is not really vibing with the feel
of the song. Weird.

--
Thanks,

Brandon




"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:45d9a791$1@linux...
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>It was torn at first since I think I prefer the performance in the 1st
>>take.
>>I thought maybe that was biasing my decision.
>
>
> I believe the performance is the same - it's the same take bounced twice.
> If
> that's correct, it's interesting that the technology affected your sense
> of the
> the artist's performance.
>
> Ted
Re: A little A/B [message #80317 is a reply to message #80316] Mon, 19 February 2007 06:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brandon[2] is currently offline  brandon[2]   UNITED STATES
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or maybe my ears just suck. hmmm.......

--
Thanks,

Brandon




"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d9ada5@linux...
> If that is the case, then I percieved the processing in the 1st take as
> more pleasing
> and a better performance. I think I am focusing on the vibrato of the
> voice
> and percived timing and feel of the performance.
> I guess the harshness of the 2nd take really effects how I percieve
> the performance. I feel the 2nd take is not really vibing with the feel
> of the song. Weird.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:45d9a791$1@linux...
>>
>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>It was torn at first since I think I prefer the performance in the 1st
>>>take.
>>>I thought maybe that was biasing my decision.
>>
>>
>> I believe the performance is the same - it's the same take bounced twice.
>> If
>> that's correct, it's interesting that the technology affected your sense
>> of the
>> the artist's performance.
>>
>> Ted
>
>
Re: A little A/B [message #80318 is a reply to message #80300] Mon, 19 February 2007 07:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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1st one definiatly. 2nd one sucks ASS!!!!! just kidding.
very subtle difference, but I say the 1st one is the Neve.
Warmer, and more up front. Don't know if I'd miss it if it were back to back
though.
Rod
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Do you hear a difference? Which do you like?
>
>
>
Re: A little A/B [message #80319 is a reply to message #80317] Mon, 19 February 2007 07:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>or maybe my ears just suck. hmmm.......
>
Not at all-

The point is that good technology in audio conveys emotion. The word "trouble"
in the take seems to move forward. Often, differences in audio playback are
described in terms of EQ, or width, or volume, but to me (broken record here)
the 3-D nature is what's significant.

Ted



>Thanks,
>
>Brandon
>
>
>
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d9ada5@linux...
>> If that is the case, then I percieved the processing in the 1st take as

>> more pleasing
>> and a better performance. I think I am focusing on the vibrato of the

>> voice
>> and percived timing and feel of the performance.
>> I guess the harshness of the 2nd take really effects how I percieve
>> the performance. I feel the 2nd take is not really vibing with the feel
>> of the song. Weird.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote in message
>> news:45d9a791$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>It was torn at first since I think I prefer the performance in the 1st

>>>>take.
>>>>I thought maybe that was biasing my decision.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe the performance is the same - it's the same take bounced twice.
>>> If
>>> that's correct, it's interesting that the technology affected your sense
>>> of the
>>> the artist's performance.
>>>
>>> Ted
>>
>>
>
>
Re: A little A/B [message #80320 is a reply to message #80319] Mon, 19 February 2007 06:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
brandon[2] is currently offline  brandon[2]   UNITED STATES
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So it seems I have progreesed "to a whole nuba lebel" .:-)
Cool thanks Ted.
For real though in this case to my ears at least in this particular
performance the processing really helps convey emotion and feel
in a positive way that actually helps the track.

--
Thanks,

Brandon




"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:45d9b78a$1@linux...
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>or maybe my ears just suck. hmmm.......
>>
> Not at all-
>
> The point is that good technology in audio conveys emotion. The word
> "trouble"
> in the take seems to move forward. Often, differences in audio playback
> are
> described in terms of EQ, or width, or volume, but to me (broken record
> here)
> the 3-D nature is what's significant.
>
> Ted
>
>
>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d9ada5@linux...
>>> If that is the case, then I percieved the processing in the 1st take as
>
>>> more pleasing
>>> and a better performance. I think I am focusing on the vibrato of the
>
>>> voice
>>> and percived timing and feel of the performance.
>>> I guess the harshness of the 2nd take really effects how I percieve
>>> the performance. I feel the 2nd take is not really vibing with the feel
>>> of the song. Weird.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45d9a791$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>It was torn at first since I think I prefer the performance in the 1st
>
>>>>>take.
>>>>>I thought maybe that was biasing my decision.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe the performance is the same - it's the same take bounced
>>>> twice.
>>>> If
>>>> that's correct, it's interesting that the technology affected your
>>>> sense
>>>> of the
>>>> the artist's performance.
>>>>
>>>> Ted
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: A little A/B [message #80322 is a reply to message #80313] Mon, 19 February 2007 08:04 Go to previous message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   BRAZIL
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Brandon,

the performance was the same.......but if this thing could automatically
polish turds.......oh man, I'd pay anything.

;o)



"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d9a12c@linux...
>I picked it out too on my crappy comp speakers.
> It wasnt that obvious but I was able to distinguish
> between the two.
> The 1 st was a little warmer.
> It was torn at first since I think I prefer the performance in the 1st
> take.
> I thought maybe that was biasing my decision.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:45d99f6b$1@linux...
>> First sample sounds warmer, phatter, fuller than the second which sounds,
>> well, thinner, cooler. Interestingly, I'm registering those differences
>> through tiny little computer speakers. Not because my ears are
>> particularly
>> good, but, I think, because the "effects" of each output setup are
>> sonically
>> meaningful.
>> MR
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45d91867@linux...
>>> Do you hear a difference? Which do you like?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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