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Sun, 25 May 2008 12:26  |
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Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more info
to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting out
an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've talked
to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are very
interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get there.
Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the FaderWorks
PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet and
Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things like what
driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps might
feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might obtain
the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future proof"
our access to our "back catalogs".
I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have devoted many
hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of others, but
I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a "wish list",
and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at least one
of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly likely" and
"within a reasonably short timeframe".
BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved asking
the community for significant sums of money for development specific only to
PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with great
track records and real good will who have offered me every break in the
book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm instead
seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one: Mike
Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some 400
users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months amongst
the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of that
size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build their
clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into investigating
making those people happy (particularly if the developer has existing code
that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the PARIS
community that might make it more interesting to certain developers than raw
numbers might dictate.
>>>>
Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they don't have
a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy. Given
our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a developer to
do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a PARIS
rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being sure you
can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and those
developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - then
IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to them*.
>>>>
So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready to
be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've guessed
that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're a
good guesser :D).
Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at least
one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS can
be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry, we
didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
whatever we can lay our hands on.
In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer to be
the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that received
the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent it
to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it elsewhere.
BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's a
name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer, whoever
it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money" costs
for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>>>>
As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just an
"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to this
idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing it to
go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth more
than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
developments if everything worked out well.
So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's gathering
dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway - a
component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a full
rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
effort instead?
In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to a
community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a single
EDS card.
I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own, that
I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
know what you think.
- Kerry Galloway
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #98947 is a reply to message #98946] |
Sun, 25 May 2008 13:29  |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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HI Kerry-
I'm in Toronto area, but would be willing to handle the shipping
etc of an EDS card. _It needs repair by The Soniq_ which I would pay for.
Ideally, it would be nice after having it repaired, and
with the prospect of the hardware being more usable to have it returned at
some point in the future. Is this possible? It's not
a deal breaker, but a preference.
Ted
Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more
info
>to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>
>Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting
out
>an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>
>As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
>various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've talked
>to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are very
>interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get there.
>
>Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the FaderWorks
>PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet and
>Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
>investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
>independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things like what
>driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps might
>feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might obtain
>the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future proof"
>our access to our "back catalogs".
>
>I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have devoted many
>hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of others,
but
>I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a "wish list",
>and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at least
one
>of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly likely"
and
>"within a reasonably short timeframe".
>
>BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved asking
>the community for significant sums of money for development specific only
to
>PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with great
>track records and real good will who have offered me every break in the
>book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm instead
>seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one: Mike
>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some 400
>users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months amongst
>the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of that
>size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build their
>clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into investigating
>making those people happy (particularly if the developer has existing code
>that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the PARIS
>community that might make it more interesting to certain developers than
raw
>numbers might dictate.
>
>>>>>
>
>Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>
>Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they don't have
>a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy. Given
>our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a developer
to
>do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a PARIS
>rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
>developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being sure
you
>can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and those
>developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - then
>IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to them*.
>
>>>>>
>
>So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready
to
>be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've guessed
>that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're
a
>good guesser :D).
>
>Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at least
>one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS can
>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry, we
>didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
>whatever we can lay our hands on.
>
>In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer to
be
>the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that received
>the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent
it
>to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
>home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it elsewhere.
>
>BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
>what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
>delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's
a
>name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
>commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
>
>Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer, whoever
>it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
>setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
>community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money" costs
>for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>
>>>>>
>
>As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just
an
>"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to this
>idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing it
to
>go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>
>PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth more
>than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
>developments if everything worked out well.
>
>So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's gathering
>dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway
- a
>component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
full
>rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
>effort instead?
>
>In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to a
>community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
>the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a single
>EDS card.
>
>I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
that
>I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
>know what you think.
>
>- Kerry Galloway
>
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #98948 is a reply to message #98947] |
Sun, 25 May 2008 13:32 |
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Thanks for the offer, Ted - and that's a great question. I don't know and
it's open for discussion. Our "best case" scenario is naturally that a
developer gets enthusiastic and wants to keep working with us, and thus the
rig.
- Kerry
On 5/25/08 1:29 PM, in article 4839cc13@linux, "Ted Gerber"
<tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> HI Kerry-
>
> I'm in Toronto area, but would be willing to handle the shipping
> etc of an EDS card. _It needs repair by The Soniq_ which I would pay for.
> Ideally, it would be nice after having it repaired, and
> with the prospect of the hardware being more usable to have it returned at
> some point in the future. Is this possible? It's not
> a deal breaker, but a preference.
>
> Ted
>
>
> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>> Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more
> info
>> to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>>
>> Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting
> out
>> an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>>
>> As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
>> various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've talked
>> to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are very
>> interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get there.
>>
>> Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the FaderWorks
>> PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet and
>> Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
>> investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
>> independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things like what
>> driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps might
>> feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might obtain
>> the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future proof"
>> our access to our "back catalogs".
>>
>> I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have devoted many
>> hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of others,
> but
>> I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a "wish list",
>> and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at least
> one
>> of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly likely"
> and
>> "within a reasonably short timeframe".
>>
>> BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved asking
>> the community for significant sums of money for development specific only
> to
>> PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with great
>> track records and real good will who have offered me every break in the
>> book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm instead
>> seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one: Mike
>> Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some 400
>> users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months amongst
>> the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of that
>> size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build their
>> clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into investigating
>> making those people happy (particularly if the developer has existing code
>> that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the PARIS
>> community that might make it more interesting to certain developers than
> raw
>> numbers might dictate.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>> Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>>
>> Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they don't have
>> a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy. Given
>> our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a developer
> to
>> do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a PARIS
>> rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
>> developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being sure
> you
>> can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and those
>> developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - then
>> IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to them*.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>> So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
>> "turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready
> to
>> be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've guessed
>> that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're
> a
>> good guesser :D).
>>
>> Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at least
>> one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS can
>> be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry, we
>> didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
>> whatever we can lay our hands on.
>>
>> In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>> contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer to
> be
>> the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that received
>> the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent
> it
>> to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
>> home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it elsewhere.
>>
>> BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
>> what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
>> delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's
> a
>> name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
>> commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
>>
>> Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer, whoever
>> it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
>> setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
>> community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>> packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money" costs
>> for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>> As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just
> an
>> "assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to this
>> idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing it
> to
>> go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>>
>> PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
>> selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth more
>> than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
>> developments if everything worked out well.
>>
>> So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's gathering
>> dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway
> - a
>> component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
> full
>> rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
>> effort instead?
>>
>> In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to a
>> community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
>> the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a single
>> EDS card.
>>
>> I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
> that
>> I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
>> know what you think.
>>
>> - Kerry Galloway
>>
>
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #98950 is a reply to message #98946] |
Sun, 25 May 2008 14:40 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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Can't promise anything right now but I can probably pony up a MEC an 8 in /
8 out and an ADAT card as well as an IF2
Bottom line they would have to be returned at some point in time but that's
wide open right now as I do very little actual recording anymore. I'll know
within a couple of weeks whether my next mixing project is going to need the
2nd ADAT if not the rig is yours.
I'll cover the shipping to the person if the group covers the return trip.
DOn
"Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
news:C45F0B7F.B044%kg@kerrygalloway.com...
> Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more
> info
> to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>
> Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting
> out
> an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>
> As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
> various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've
> talked
> to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are
> very
> interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get there.
>
> Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the
> FaderWorks
> PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet and
> Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
> investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
> independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things like what
> driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps might
> feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might obtain
> the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future proof"
> our access to our "back catalogs".
>
> I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have devoted
> many
> hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of others,
> but
> I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a "wish
> list",
> and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at least
> one
> of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly likely"
> and
> "within a reasonably short timeframe".
>
> BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved asking
> the community for significant sums of money for development specific only
> to
> PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with great
> track records and real good will who have offered me every break in the
> book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm instead
> seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one:
> Mike
> Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some 400
> users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months
> amongst
> the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of that
> size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build their
> clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into investigating
> making those people happy (particularly if the developer has existing code
> that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the PARIS
> community that might make it more interesting to certain developers than
> raw
> numbers might dictate.
>
>>>>>
>
> Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>
> Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they don't
> have
> a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy. Given
> our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a developer to
> do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a
> PARIS
> rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
> developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being sure
> you
> can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and those
> developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - then
> IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to them*.
>
>>>>>
>
> So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
> "turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready to
> be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've guessed
> that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're a
> good guesser :D).
>
> Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at
> least
> one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS can
> be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry, we
> didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
> whatever we can lay our hands on.
>
> In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
> contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer to
> be
> the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that received
> the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent
> it
> to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
> home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it elsewhere.
>
> BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
> what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
> delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's
> a
> name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
> commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
>
> Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer, whoever
> it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
> setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
> community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
> packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money"
> costs
> for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>
>>>>>
>
> As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just an
> "assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to
> this
> idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing it
> to
> go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>
> PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
> selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth
> more
> than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
> developments if everything worked out well.
>
> So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's
> gathering
> dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway -
> a
> component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
> full
> rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
> effort instead?
>
> In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to a
> community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
> the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a
> single
> EDS card.
>
> I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
> that
> I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
> know what you think.
>
> - Kerry Galloway
>
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #98955 is a reply to message #98946] |
Sun, 25 May 2008 16:48 |
Brian Milton
Messages: 11
Registered: June 2008
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Junior Member |
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I'm not really in the right financial shape to donate a rig (Out of work/Starting
a new business), but I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris die-hards
want to buy my rig at a reasonable price and donate it for development let
me know. I was about to post it to the FS group. I'm looking through the
old posts now to figure out what it's worth.
Here's what I've got in Austin,TX:
All of these are in Black
MEC
442
(2) EDS
8in card
8out card
ADAT card
(2) C16
It's running Paris 3.0 on an older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB RAM. I
was going to re-purpose the PC for something else but would take offers for
it too.
-Brian
Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more
info
>to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>
>Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting
out
>an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>
>As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
>various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've talked
>to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are very
>interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get there.
>
>Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the FaderWorks
>PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet and
>Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
>investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
>independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things like what
>driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps might
>feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might obtain
>the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future proof"
>our access to our "back catalogs".
>
>I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have devoted many
>hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of others,
but
>I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a "wish list",
>and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at least
one
>of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly likely"
and
>"within a reasonably short timeframe".
>
>BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved asking
>the community for significant sums of money for development specific only
to
>PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with great
>track records and real good will who have offered me every break in the
>book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm instead
>seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one: Mike
>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some 400
>users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months amongst
>the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of that
>size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build their
>clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into investigating
>making those people happy (particularly if the developer has existing code
>that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the PARIS
>community that might make it more interesting to certain developers than
raw
>numbers might dictate.
>
>>>>>
>
>Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>
>Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they don't have
>a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy. Given
>our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a developer
to
>do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a PARIS
>rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
>developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being sure
you
>can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and those
>developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - then
>IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to them*.
>
>>>>>
>
>So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready
to
>be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've guessed
>that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're
a
>good guesser :D).
>
>Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at least
>one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS can
>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry, we
>didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
>whatever we can lay our hands on.
>
>In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer to
be
>the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that received
>the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent
it
>to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
>home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it elsewhere.
>
>BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
>what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
>delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's
a
>name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
>commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
>
>Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer, whoever
>it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
>setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
>community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money" costs
>for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>
>>>>>
>
>As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just
an
>"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to this
>idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing it
to
>go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>
>PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth more
>than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
>developments if everything worked out well.
>
>So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's gathering
>dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway
- a
>component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
full
>rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
>effort instead?
>
>In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to a
>community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
>the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a single
>EDS card.
>
>I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
that
>I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
>know what you think.
>
>- Kerry Galloway
>
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #98959 is a reply to message #98955] |
Mon, 26 May 2008 04:57 |
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I don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if enough of
us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could probably make it
happen. Could we set up a PayPal account to gather Paris development funds?
Gantt
"Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>I'm not really in the right financial shape to donate a rig (Out of work/Starting
>a new business), but I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris die-hards
>want to buy my rig at a reasonable price and donate it for development let
>me know. I was about to post it to the FS group. I'm looking through the
>old posts now to figure out what it's worth.
>
>Here's what I've got in Austin,TX:
>All of these are in Black
>
>MEC
>442
>(2) EDS
>8in card
>8out card
>ADAT card
>(2) C16
>
>It's running Paris 3.0 on an older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB RAM.
I
>was going to re-purpose the PC for something else but would take offers
for
>it too.
>
>-Brian
>
>
>
>Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more
>info
>>to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>>
>>Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting
>out
>>an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>>
>>As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
>>various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've talked
>>to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are
very
>>interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get there.
>>
>>Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the FaderWorks
>>PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet and
>>Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
>>investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
>>independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things like what
>>driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps might
>>feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might obtain
>>the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future proof"
>>our access to our "back catalogs".
>>
>>I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have devoted
many
>>hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of others,
>but
>>I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a "wish list",
>>and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at least
>one
>>of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly likely"
>and
>>"within a reasonably short timeframe".
>>
>>BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved asking
>>the community for significant sums of money for development specific only
>to
>>PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with great
>>track records and real good will who have offered me every break in the
>>book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm instead
>>seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one:
Mike
>>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some 400
>>users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months amongst
>>the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of that
>>size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build their
>>clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into investigating
>>making those people happy (particularly if the developer has existing code
>>that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the PARIS
>>community that might make it more interesting to certain developers than
>raw
>>numbers might dictate.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>>
>>Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they don't
have
>>a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy. Given
>>our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a developer
>to
>>do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a PARIS
>>rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
>>developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being sure
>you
>>can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and those
>>developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - then
>>IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to them*.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready
>to
>>be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've guessed
>>that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're
>a
>>good guesser :D).
>>
>>Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at
least
>>one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS
can
>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry,
we
>>didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
>>whatever we can lay our hands on.
>>
>>In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>>contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer
to
>be
>>the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that received
>>the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent
>it
>>to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
>>home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it elsewhere.
>>
>>BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
>>what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
>>delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's
>a
>>name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
>>commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
>>
>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer, whoever
>>it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
>>setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
>>community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money" costs
>>for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just
>an
>>"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to
this
>>idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing
it
>to
>>go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>>
>>PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
>>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth
more
>>than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
>>developments if everything worked out well.
>>
>>So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's gathering
>>dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway
>- a
>>component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
>full
>>rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
>>effort instead?
>>
>>In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to
a
>>community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
>>the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a single
>>EDS card.
>>
>>I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
>that
>>I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
>>know what you think.
>>
>>- Kerry Galloway
>>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #98961 is a reply to message #98959] |
Mon, 26 May 2008 07:46 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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count me in!
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:483aa591$1@linux...
>
> I don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if enough of
> us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could probably make it
> happen. Could we set up a PayPal account to gather Paris development
> funds?
>
> Gantt
>
> "Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'm not really in the right financial shape to donate a rig (Out of
>>work/Starting
>>a new business), but I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris
>>die-hards
>>want to buy my rig at a reasonable price and donate it for development let
>>me know. I was about to post it to the FS group. I'm looking through the
>>old posts now to figure out what it's worth.
>>
>>Here's what I've got in Austin,TX:
>>All of these are in Black
>>
>>MEC
>>442
>>(2) EDS
>>8in card
>>8out card
>>ADAT card
>>(2) C16
>>
>>It's running Paris 3.0 on an older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB RAM.
> I
>>was going to re-purpose the PC for something else but would take offers
> for
>>it too.
>>
>>-Brian
>>
>>
>>
>>Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more
>>info
>>>to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>>>
>>>Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting
>>out
>>>an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>>>
>>>As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
>>>various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've
>>>talked
>>>to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are
> very
>>>interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get there.
>>>
>>>Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the
>>>FaderWorks
>>>PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet and
>>>Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
>>>investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
>>>independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things like
>>>what
>>>driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps might
>>>feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might obtain
>>>the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future
>>>proof"
>>>our access to our "back catalogs".
>>>
>>>I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have devoted
> many
>>>hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of others,
>>but
>>>I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a "wish
>>>list",
>>>and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at least
>>one
>>>of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly likely"
>>and
>>>"within a reasonably short timeframe".
>>>
>>>BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved
>>>asking
>>>the community for significant sums of money for development specific only
>>to
>>>PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with great
>>>track records and real good will who have offered me every break in the
>>>book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm
>>>instead
>>>seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one:
> Mike
>>>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some 400
>>>users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months
>>>amongst
>>>the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of
>>>that
>>>size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build their
>>>clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into investigating
>>>making those people happy (particularly if the developer has existing
>>>code
>>>that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the PARIS
>>>community that might make it more interesting to certain developers than
>>raw
>>>numbers might dictate.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>>>
>>>Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they don't
> have
>>>a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy.
>>>Given
>>>our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a developer
>>to
>>>do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a
>>>PARIS
>>>rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
>>>developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being sure
>>you
>>>can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and
>>>those
>>>developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - then
>>>IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to them*.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
>>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready
>>to
>>>be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've
>>>guessed
>>>that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're
>>a
>>>good guesser :D).
>>>
>>>Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at
> least
>>>one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS
> can
>>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry,
> we
>>>didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
>>>whatever we can lay our hands on.
>>>
>>>In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>>>contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer
> to
>>be
>>>the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that
>>>received
>>>the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent
>>it
>>>to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
>>>home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it
>>>elsewhere.
>>>
>>>BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
>>>what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
>>>delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's
>>a
>>>name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
>>>commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
>>>
>>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer,
>>>whoever
>>>it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
>>>setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
>>>community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money"
>>>costs
>>>for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just
>>an
>>>"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to
> this
>>>idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing
> it
>>to
>>>go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>>>
>>>PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
>>>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth
> more
>>>than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
>>>developments if everything worked out well.
>>>
>>>So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's
>>>gathering
>>>dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway
>>- a
>>>component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
>>full
>>>rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
>>>effort instead?
>>>
>>>In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to
> a
>>>community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
>>>the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a
>>>single
>>>EDS card.
>>>
>>>I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
>>that
>>>I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
>>>know what you think.
>>>
>>>- Kerry Galloway
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #98964 is a reply to message #98959] |
Mon, 26 May 2008 09:29 |
Edna Sloan
Messages: 304
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
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+1
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:483aa591$1@linux...
>
> I don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if enough of
> us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could probably make it
> happen. Could we set up a PayPal account to gather Paris development
> funds?
>
> Gantt
>
> "Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'm not really in the right financial shape to donate a rig (Out of
>>work/Starting
>>a new business), but I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris
>>die-hards
>>want to buy my rig at a reasonable price and donate it for development let
>>me know. I was about to post it to the FS group. I'm looking through the
>>old posts now to figure out what it's worth.
>>
>>Here's what I've got in Austin,TX:
>>All of these are in Black
>>
>>MEC
>>442
>>(2) EDS
>>8in card
>>8out card
>>ADAT card
>>(2) C16
>>
>>It's running Paris 3.0 on an older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB RAM.
> I
>>was going to re-purpose the PC for something else but would take offers
> for
>>it too.
>>
>>-Brian
>>
>>
>>
>>Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more
>>info
>>>to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>>>
>>>Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting
>>out
>>>an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>>>
>>>As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
>>>various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've
>>>talked
>>>to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are
> very
>>>interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get there.
>>>
>>>Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the
>>>FaderWorks
>>>PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet and
>>>Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
>>>investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
>>>independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things like
>>>what
>>>driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps might
>>>feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might obtain
>>>the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future
>>>proof"
>>>our access to our "back catalogs".
>>>
>>>I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have devoted
> many
>>>hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of others,
>>but
>>>I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a "wish
>>>list",
>>>and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at least
>>one
>>>of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly likely"
>>and
>>>"within a reasonably short timeframe".
>>>
>>>BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved
>>>asking
>>>the community for significant sums of money for development specific only
>>to
>>>PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with great
>>>track records and real good will who have offered me every break in the
>>>book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm
>>>instead
>>>seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one:
> Mike
>>>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some 400
>>>users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months
>>>amongst
>>>the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of
>>>that
>>>size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build their
>>>clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into investigating
>>>making those people happy (particularly if the developer has existing
>>>code
>>>that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the PARIS
>>>community that might make it more interesting to certain developers than
>>raw
>>>numbers might dictate.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>>>
>>>Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they don't
> have
>>>a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy.
>>>Given
>>>our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a developer
>>to
>>>do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a
>>>PARIS
>>>rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
>>>developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being sure
>>you
>>>can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and
>>>those
>>>developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - then
>>>IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to them*.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
>>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready
>>to
>>>be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've
>>>guessed
>>>that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're
>>a
>>>good guesser :D).
>>>
>>>Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at
> least
>>>one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS
> can
>>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry,
> we
>>>didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
>>>whatever we can lay our hands on.
>>>
>>>In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>>>contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer
> to
>>be
>>>the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that
>>>received
>>>the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent
>>it
>>>to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
>>>home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it
>>>elsewhere.
>>>
>>>BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
>>>what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
>>>delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's
>>a
>>>name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
>>>commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
>>>
>>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer,
>>>whoever
>>>it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
>>>setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
>>>community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money"
>>>costs
>>>for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just
>>an
>>>"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to
> this
>>>idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing
> it
>>to
>>>go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>>>
>>>PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
>>>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth
> more
>>>than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
>>>developments if everything worked out well.
>>>
>>>So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's
>>>gathering
>>>dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway
>>- a
>>>component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
>>full
>>>rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
>>>effort instead?
>>>
>>>In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to
> a
>>>community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
>>>the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a
>>>single
>>>EDS card.
>>>
>>>I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
>>that
>>>I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
>>>know what you think.
>>>
>>>- Kerry Galloway
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #98965 is a reply to message #98964] |
Mon, 26 May 2008 08:48 |
Tom Bruhl
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Kerry,
I'm not loaded with extra hardware and I'm not totally into pushing
44.1 converters into the future either but I'd still make a donation to =
help
the overall cause.
Count me in. =20
Tom
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:483ad981@linux...
+1
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message=20
news:483aa591$1@linux...
>
> I don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if =
enough of
> us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could probably =
make it
> happen. Could we set up a PayPal account to gather Paris =
development=20
> funds?
>
> Gantt
>
> "Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'm not really in the right financial shape to donate a rig (Out of=20
>>work/Starting
>>a new business), but I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris =
>>die-hards
>>want to buy my rig at a reasonable price and donate it for =
development let
>>me know. I was about to post it to the FS group. I'm looking =
through the
>>old posts now to figure out what it's worth.
>>
>>Here's what I've got in Austin,TX:
>>All of these are in Black
>>
>>MEC
>>442
>>(2) EDS
>>8in card
>>8out card
>>ADAT card
>>(2) C16
>>
>>It's running Paris 3.0 on an older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB =
RAM.
> I
>>was going to re-purpose the PC for something else but would take =
offers
> for
>>it too.
>>
>>-Brian
>>
>>
>>
>>Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had =
more
>>info
>>>to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>>>
>>>Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm =
putting
>>out
>>>an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>>>
>>>As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people =
in
>>>various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. =
I've=20
>>>talked
>>>to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There =
are
> very
>>>interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get =
there.
>>>
>>>Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the=20
>>>FaderWorks
>>>PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet =
and
>>>Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
>>>investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
>>>independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things =
like=20
>>>what
>>>driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps =
might
>>>feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might =
obtain
>>>the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future =
>>>proof"
>>>our access to our "back catalogs".
>>>
>>>I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have =
devoted
> many
>>>hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of =
others,
>>but
>>>I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a =
"wish=20
>>>list",
>>>and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at =
least
>>one
>>>of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly =
likely"
>>and
>>>"within a reasonably short timeframe".
>>>
>>>BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved =
>>>asking
>>>the community for significant sums of money for development =
specific only
>>to
>>>PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with =
great
>>>track records and real good will who have offered me every break in =
the
>>>book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm=20
>>>instead
>>>seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this =
one:
> Mike
>>>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some =
400
>>>users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months =
>>>amongst
>>>the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market =
of=20
>>>that
>>>size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build =
their
>>>clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into =
investigating
>>>making those people happy (particularly if the developer has =
existing=20
>>>code
>>>that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the =
PARIS
>>>community that might make it more interesting to certain developers =
than
>>raw
>>>numbers might dictate.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>>>
>>>Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they =
don't
> have
>>>a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and =
buy.=20
>>>Given
>>>our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a =
developer
>>to
>>>do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase =
a=20
>>>PARIS
>>>rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
>>>developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being =
sure
>>you
>>>can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, =
and=20
>>>those
>>>developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - =
then
>>>IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to =
them*.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a =
pre-assembled,
>>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, =
ready
>>to
>>>be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've=20
>>>guessed
>>>that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, =
you're
>>a
>>>good guesser :D).
>>>
>>>Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing =
at
> least
>>>one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so =
PARIS
> can
>>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this =
"sorry,
> we
>>>didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll =
settle for
>>>whatever we can lay our hands on.
>>>
>>>In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>>>contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to =
volunteer
> to
>>be
>>>the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that=20
>>>received
>>>the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and =
sent
>>it
>>>to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a =
long-term
>>>home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it=20
>>>elsewhere.
>>>
>>>BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't =
even ask
>>>what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost =
and the
>>>delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, =
and he's
>>a
>>>name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are =
some
>>>commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for =
his.
>>>
>>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer,=20
>>>whoever
>>>it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd =
propose
>>>setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let =
the
>>>community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer =
money"=20
>>>costs
>>>for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's =
just
>>an
>>>"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support =
to
> this
>>>idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was =
proposing
> it
>>to
>>>go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for =
components.
>>>
>>>PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly =
worth
>>>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably =
worth
> more
>>>than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very =
exciting
>>>developments if everything worked out well.
>>>
>>>So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's=20
>>>gathering
>>>dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices =
anyway
>>- a
>>>component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or =
even a
>>full
>>>rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development =
rig"
>>>effort instead?
>>>
>>>In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation =
to
> a
>>>community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we =
see what
>>>the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have =
a=20
>>>single
>>>EDS card.
>>>
>>>I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my =
own,
>>that
>>>I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. =
Let me
>>>know what you think.
>>>
>>>- Kerry Galloway
>>>
>>
>=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kerry,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm not loaded with extra hardware =
and I'm not=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>44.1 converters into the future either =
but I'd=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the overall cause.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Count me in. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Edna" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com">edna@texomaonline.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:483ad981@linux">news:483ad981@linux</A>...</DIV>+1<BR>"Gantt=
=20
Kushner" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:ganttmann@comcast.net">ganttmann@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <BR><A=20
=
href=3D"news:483aa591$1@linux">news:483aa591$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
t; I=20
don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if enough=20
of<BR>> us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could=20
probably make it<BR>> happen. Could we set up a PayPal =
account=20
to gather Paris development <BR>> funds?<BR>><BR>>=20
Gantt<BR>><BR>> "Brian Milton" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:bcmilton@austin.rr.com">bcmilton@austin.rr.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>I'm not really in the right financial =
shape to=20
donate a rig (Out of <BR>>>work/Starting<BR>>>a new =
business), but=20
I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris=20
<BR>>>die-hards<BR>>>want to buy my rig at a reasonable =
price and=20
donate it for development let<BR>>>me know. I was about to =
post it=20
to the FS group. I'm looking through the<BR>>>old posts =
now to=20
figure out what it's worth.<BR>>><BR>>>Here's what I've =
got in=20
Austin,TX:<BR>>>All of these are in=20
Black<BR>>><BR>>>MEC<BR>>>442 <BR>>>(2)=20
EDS<BR>>>8in card<BR>>>8out card<BR>>>ADAT=20
card<BR>>>(2) C16<BR>>><BR>>>It's running Paris 3.0 =
on an=20
older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB RAM.<BR>> I<BR>>>was =
going to=20
re-purpose the PC for something else but would take offers<BR>>=20
for<BR>>>it=20
=
too.<BR>>><BR>>>-Brian<BR>>> <BR>>><BR>>><BR=
>>>Kerry=20
Galloway <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:kg@kerrygalloway.com">kg@kerrygalloway.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit =
longer=20
until I had more<BR>>>info<BR>>>>to share, but it seems =
particularly timely today.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Sorry this =
is a bit=20
long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm=20
putting<BR>>>out<BR>>>>an appeal here, you should have =
full=20
access to my "source code" :D<BR>>>><BR>>>>As my =
previous=20
posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people =
in<BR>>>>various=20
places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've=20
<BR>>>>talked<BR>>>>to many companies/developers. =
Some names=20
might surprise you. There are<BR>> very<BR>>>>interesting =
avenues=20
to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get=20
there.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Development involving the PARIS =
app=20
itself (eg EDS plugins or the =
<BR>>>>FaderWorks<BR>>>>PDC=20
advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet=20
and<BR>>>>Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts =
elsewhere=20
- I'm<BR>>>>investigating what alternatives might exist for =
the PARIS=20
hardware<BR>>>>independent of the PARIS app. This involves=20
investigating things like <BR>>>>what<BR>>>>driver =
options=20
could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps=20
might<BR>>>>feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; =
and how=20
we might obtain<BR>>>>the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs =
into=20
another app to "future <BR>>>>proof"<BR>>>>our =
access to our=20
"back catalogs".<BR>>>><BR>>>>I can only promise I'm =
working=20
hard in the background and have devoted<BR>> =
many<BR>>>>hours=20
already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of=20
others,<BR>>>but<BR>>>>I see the bulk of items on my =
list as=20
more "to do" items than a "wish =
<BR>>>>list",<BR>>>>and if=20
two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at=20
least<BR>>>one<BR>>>>of the developments (safeguarding =
our=20
ppj/pafs) as both "fairly =
likely"<BR>>>and<BR>>>> "within a=20
reasonably short timeframe".<BR>>>><BR>>>>BTW, I =
have=20
already rejected some promising solutions that involved=20
<BR>>>>asking<BR>>>>the community for significant =
sums of=20
money for development specific =
only<BR>>>to<BR>>>>PARIS. I've=20
talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with=20
great<BR>>>>track records and real good will who have offered =
me=20
every break in the<BR>>>>book, but I don't propose taking the =
community down that road. I'm =
<BR>>>>instead<BR>>>>seeking=20
developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one:<BR>> =
Mike<BR>>>>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS =
userbase as some 400<BR>>>>users worldwide (I have recorded =
over 40=20
within the last few months <BR>>>>amongst<BR>>>>the =
subset=20
of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of=20
<BR>>>>that<BR>>>>size is not insignificant for a =
smaller=20
developer looking to build their<BR>>>>clientele - it can be =
worth=20
them throwing some effort into investigating<BR>>>>making =
those=20
people happy (particularly if the developer has existing=20
<BR>>>>code<BR>>>>that might merely need tweaking). =
And=20
there are aspects of the PARIS<BR>>>>community that might =
make it=20
more interesting to certain developers=20
than<BR>>>raw<BR>>>>numbers might=20
=
dictate.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>><=
BR>>>>Here's=20
the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community=20
about.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Even the most interested =
developers=20
can't do much for us if they don't<BR>> have<BR>>>>a PARIS =
rig -=20
and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy.=20
<BR>>>>Given<BR>>>>our small size as a market, if we =
as a=20
community are asking a developer<BR>>>to<BR>>>>do =
things for=20
us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a=20
<BR>>>>PARIS<BR>>>>rig so you can help us out" isn't =
gonna=20
fly. Neither is promising a<BR>>>>developer you'll get them =
access to=20
a rig to test on without being sure<BR>>>you<BR>>>>can =
deliver.=20
If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and=20
<BR>>>>those<BR>>>>developers have to have a PARIS =
rig=20
available in order to help us - then<BR>>>>IMHO it's *in the=20
community's best interest to provide one to=20
=
them*.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>><BR=
>>>>So=20
this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a=20
pre-assembled,<BR>>>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a =
computer) PARIS=20
development rig, ready<BR>>>to<BR>>>>be shipped to =
developers=20
that could do it the most good (if you've=20
<BR>>>>guessed<BR>>>>that I have destinations in =
mind to=20
offer this to already - well, you're<BR>>>a<BR>>>>good =
guesser=20
:D).<BR>>>><BR>>>>Ideally this rig would be a =
multi-card,=20
multi-MEC system containing at<BR>> least<BR>>>>one of =
every=20
existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS<BR>>=20
can<BR>>>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No =
more of=20
this "sorry,<BR>> we<BR>>>>didn't have a full system to =
test"=20
thing. But as a start we'll settle for<BR>>>>whatever we can =
lay our=20
hands on.<BR>>>><BR>>>>In addition we'd need a PARIS =
community member who lives in the 48<BR>>>>contiguous states =
(to keep=20
shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer<BR>>=20
to<BR>>>be<BR>>>>the occasional "depot/shipping =
person". They'd=20
be the person that <BR>>>>received<BR>>>>the donated =
components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and=20
sent<BR>>>it<BR>>>>to where it needed to go, and if =
needed=20
(although if it finds a long-term<BR>>>>home fast, that's =
good news=20
for us) receive it back and ship it=20
<BR>>>>elsewhere.<BR>>>> <BR>>>>BTW, I'd do =
it=20
myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even =
ask<BR>>>>what=20
international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and=20
the<BR>>>>delays. I've already had the first potential =
volunteer=20
interest, and he's<BR>>>a<BR>>>>name you've all known a =
long=20
time, but we're clear that there are some<BR>>>>commitments I =
need to=20
obtain from others before we can ask him for=20
his.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not =
proposing=20
we stick that volunteer, <BR>>>>whoever<BR>>>>it =
winds up=20
being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd=20
propose<BR>>>>setting up something like a PayPal account for =
them in=20
order to let the<BR>>>>community chip in a few bucks apiece =
to cover=20
any reasonable<BR>>>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - =
these are=20
trivial "beer money" <BR>>>>costs<BR>>>>for a =
community to=20
absorb, rather than a lump for an=20
=
individual.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>&g=
t;<BR>>>>As=20
mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's=20
just<BR>>>an<BR>>>>"assessment " call to determine if =
folks=20
would give concrete support to<BR>> this<BR>>>>idea. I'd =
put=20
everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing<BR>>=20
it<BR>>>to<BR>>>>go (and of course *why*) when I made =
the=20
actual call for components.<BR>>>><BR>>>>PARIS =
hardware=20
prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly=20
worth<BR>>>>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in =
it are=20
probably worth<BR>> more<BR>>>>than that as salvage!), and =
there's=20
the possibility of very exciting<BR>>>>developments if =
everything=20
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #98973 is a reply to message #98968] |
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I haven't forgotten, DC - but I'll give it to you straight - OS9 development
involves serious custom building for a small and swiftly dwindling niche.
Mike Audet is going to be pushing hard on porting the plugins for you guys
ASAP but these efforts of mine are about currently supported OSes only.
I'm really sorry to say that, too - I'm not only a fellow Mac user, I'm an
ex-fellow "PARIS on OS9" user - but getting developers interested in the
long-discontinued PARIS system already poses a sufficient set of challenges,
and getting them interested in creating a branch effort to support the small
minority of PARIS users who also use an OS as long discontinued as OS9 is,
I'm just not so hopeful about.
And please understand, virtually every PARIS user I know personally is or
was a PARIS on OS9 guy, including myself - I just can't see a road ahead
there today.
Now - on the other hand...
.... Would developments that involved OSX interest you? :)
- K
On 5/26/08 11:46 AM, in article 483b0590$1@linux, "DC"
<dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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> Don't forget the Mac users please.
>
> DC
>
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #98974 is a reply to message #98959] |
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Heya Gantt... I'm glad the consensus seems to be that it's a good idea for
the community to own its own development rig - I see it as essential myself.
I'm of two minds on purchased vs donated myself.
Some arguments for *making a rig from donated components*:
- cheap: as mentioned, I'm seeking solutions that represent as insignificant
a financial impact for the community as possible
- Honestly, I don't particularly want to administer the financial side so
we'd need a volunteer for that ("PARIS Treasurer", so to speak :D), They'd
have to set up a PARIS PayPal account (or something similar) and keep track
of it.
Some arguments for *purchasing* a rig:
- simplicity: a "best case" scenario sees a developer sticking by us for a
while, and thus needing the rig for an extended period. With a purchased rig
there's no complication of trying to track people down to return components
to, long in the future.
- equally shared benefit, equally shared risk and responsibility (ie
shipping damage etc).
- choice: obviously we could buy precisely what we need
- speed: we could have a core rig as fast as we could raise the money for it
I'll leave it up to the community to decide. If someone wants to volunteer
to step up to the plate and create and administer a community fund for this,
that would rock.
- Kerry
On 5/26/08 4:57 AM, in article 483aa591$1@linux, "Gantt Kushner"
<ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if enough of
> us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could probably make it
> happen. Could we set up a PayPal account to gather Paris development funds?
>
> Gantt
>
> "Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not really in the right financial shape to donate a rig (Out of
>> work/Starting
>> a new business), but I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris
>> die-hards
>> want to buy my rig at a reasonable price and donate it for development let
>> me know. I was about to post it to the FS group. I'm looking through the
>> old posts now to figure out what it's worth.
>>
>> Here's what I've got in Austin,TX:
>> All of these are in Black
>>
>> MEC
>> 442
>> (2) EDS
>> 8in card
>> 8out card
>> ADAT card
>> (2) C16
>>
>> It's running Paris 3.0 on an older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB RAM.
> I
>> was going to re-purpose the PC for something else but would take offers
> for
>> it too.
>>
>> -Brian
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #98976 is a reply to message #98974] |
Tue, 27 May 2008 00:54 |
excelav
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Hey Kerry! I would be interested in a Mac version also, but I see some big
hurdles though. The last Apple Macintosh that had standard PCI slots were
the G4 towers. 2.0GHz processor upgrades are available for the G4, but they
are about $600. There is the possibility of building a Hackintosh machine
with a PC MOBO with standard PCI slots, but would it work??? FYI, it's also
against Apple's licensing agreement. There is also the expansion chassis
route. So Kerry, what path are you thinking about?
I'm sure your way ahead of me on this, but I think Justin the creator of
Reaper should be contacted about development. Somebody asked him in the
past about including paf in Reaper. Maybe he'd take us on if we got enough
people to commit. Reaper is under constant development, and he is developing
a Mac version. The PC version is way more advanced than the Mac version
at this time. I also have to say that the PC version of Reaper is impressive
at only a 3.2 MB download, and the noncommercial license is only $50.00.
I think most of us could live with that kind of a price too.
I just wonder what Paris hardware will sound like with a different software.
I personally believe the golden sauce is a combination of both, maybe we'll
find out in the future.
As long as Paris sounds good and the audio standards are 24bit-16bit 44.1
and MP3, I see Paris as being worth developing. I'll be using other tools
as well, however I won't be selling off Paris just because some new slick
box comes out. I'm also not in to spending a bunch of money on boxes to
get another DAW to sound like Paris, so I'm keeping Paris.
I want to say thanks to you and Mike for carrying the torch. For you to
comeback and push this project is a great thing! It's incredible to think
that Mike just jumped in and is cranking out the plugins the way he is.
If we could get easy to use delay compensation, that would really help out
a lot.
Thanks again guys, and long live PARIS!
Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>Heya Gantt... I'm glad the consensus seems to be that it's a good idea for
>the community to own its own development rig - I see it as essential myself.
>
>I'm of two minds on purchased vs donated myself.
>
>Some arguments for *making a rig from donated components*:
>
>- cheap: as mentioned, I'm seeking solutions that represent as insignificant
>a financial impact for the community as possible
>
>- Honestly, I don't particularly want to administer the financial side so
>we'd need a volunteer for that ("PARIS Treasurer", so to speak :D), They'd
>have to set up a PARIS PayPal account (or something similar) and keep track
>of it.
>
>Some arguments for *purchasing* a rig:
>
>- simplicity: a "best case" scenario sees a developer sticking by us for
a
>while, and thus needing the rig for an extended period. With a purchased
rig
>there's no complication of trying to track people down to return components
>to, long in the future.
>- equally shared benefit, equally shared risk and responsibility (ie
>shipping damage etc).
>- choice: obviously we could buy precisely what we need
>- speed: we could have a core rig as fast as we could raise the money for
it
>
>I'll leave it up to the community to decide. If someone wants to volunteer
>to step up to the plate and create and administer a community fund for this,
>that would rock.
>
>- Kerry
>
>On 5/26/08 4:57 AM, in article 483aa591$1@linux, "Gantt Kushner"
><ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if enough
of
>> us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could probably make
it
>> happen. Could we set up a PayPal account to gather Paris development
funds?
>>
>> Gantt
>>
>> "Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not really in the right financial shape to donate a rig (Out of
>>> work/Starting
>>> a new business), but I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris
>>> die-hards
>>> want to buy my rig at a reasonable price and donate it for development
let
>>> me know. I was about to post it to the FS group. I'm looking through
the
>>> old posts now to figure out what it's worth.
>>>
>>> Here's what I've got in Austin,TX:
>>> All of these are in Black
>>>
>>> MEC
>>> 442
>>> (2) EDS
>>> 8in card
>>> 8out card
>>> ADAT card
>>> (2) C16
>>>
>>> It's running Paris 3.0 on an older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB RAM.
>> I
>>> was going to re-purpose the PC for something else but would take offers
>> for
>>> it too.
>>>
>>> -Brian
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I wish I could give more info, Jamie; I'll do so the instant I can.
All that exists right now are interesting possibilities; the amount of work
and resources needed to achieve them can't even be assessed until we get a
rig to the right people to take a look at.
But yes, some of those available possibilities do include tantalizing
glimpses of OSX. I'm still investigating.
- K
On 5/26/08 10:09 PM, in article 483b9a14$1@linux, "Jamie K"
<JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
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> Kerry Galloway wrote:
>> Now - on the other hand...
>>
>> ... Would developments that involved OSX interest you? :)
>
> What the...really?
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> - K
>>
>> On 5/26/08 11:46 AM, in article 483b0590$1@linux, "DC"
>> <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>>> Don't forget the Mac users please.
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #98978 is a reply to message #98973] |
Tue, 27 May 2008 05:06 |
Martin Harrington
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Yess...
Martin H
On 27/05/08 2:39 PM, in article C460DE87.B074%kg@kerrygalloway.com, "Kerry
Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
> I haven't forgotten, DC - but I'll give it to you straight - OS9 development
> involves serious custom building for a small and swiftly dwindling niche.
> Mike Audet is going to be pushing hard on porting the plugins for you guys
> ASAP but these efforts of mine are about currently supported OSes only.
>
> I'm really sorry to say that, too - I'm not only a fellow Mac user, I'm an
> ex-fellow "PARIS on OS9" user - but getting developers interested in the
> long-discontinued PARIS system already poses a sufficient set of challenges,
> and getting them interested in creating a branch effort to support the small
> minority of PARIS users who also use an OS as long discontinued as OS9 is,
> I'm just not so hopeful about.
>
> And please understand, virtually every PARIS user I know personally is or
> was a PARIS on OS9 guy, including myself - I just can't see a road ahead
> there today.
>
> Now - on the other hand...
>
> ... Would developments that involved OSX interest you? :)
>
>
> - K
>
> On 5/26/08 11:46 AM, in article 483b0590$1@linux, "DC"
> <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Don't forget the Mac users please.
>>
>> DC
>>
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #98980 is a reply to message #98946] |
Tue, 27 May 2008 06:56 |
Robert
Messages: 127
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I know its not much but I have a spare IF2 for the cause and of course a few
$ to the "Paris Comunity Paypal account".
Rob_Ay
"Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
news:C45F0B7F.B044%kg@kerrygalloway.com...
> Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more
> info
> to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>
> Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting
> out
> an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>
> As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
> various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've
> talked
> to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are
> very
> interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get there.
>
> Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the
> FaderWorks
> PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet and
> Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
> investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
> independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things like what
> driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps might
> feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might obtain
> the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future proof"
> our access to our "back catalogs".
>
> I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have devoted
> many
> hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of others,
> but
> I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a "wish
> list",
> and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at least
> one
> of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly likely"
> and
> "within a reasonably short timeframe".
>
> BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved asking
> the community for significant sums of money for development specific only
> to
> PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with great
> track records and real good will who have offered me every break in the
> book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm instead
> seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one:
> Mike
> Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some 400
> users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months
> amongst
> the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of that
> size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build their
> clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into investigating
> making those people happy (particularly if the developer has existing code
> that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the PARIS
> community that might make it more interesting to certain developers than
> raw
> numbers might dictate.
>
>>>>>
>
> Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>
> Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they don't
> have
> a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy. Given
> our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a developer to
> do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a
> PARIS
> rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
> developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being sure
> you
> can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and those
> developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - then
> IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to them*.
>
>>>>>
>
> So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
> "turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready to
> be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've guessed
> that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're a
> good guesser :D).
>
> Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at
> least
> one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS can
> be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry, we
> didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
> whatever we can lay our hands on.
>
> In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
> contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer to
> be
> the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that received
> the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent
> it
> to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
> home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it elsewhere.
>
> BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
> what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
> delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's
> a
> name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
> commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
>
> Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer, whoever
> it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
> setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
> community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
> packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money"
> costs
> for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>
>>>>>
>
> As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just an
> "assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to
> this
> idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing it
> to
> go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>
> PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
> selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth
> more
> than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
> developments if everything worked out well.
>
> So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's
> gathering
> dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway -
> a
> component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
> full
> rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
> effort instead?
>
> In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to a
> community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
> the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a
> single
> EDS card.
>
> I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
> that
> I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
> know what you think.
>
> - Kerry Galloway
>
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Tue, 27 May 2008 21:06 |
Paul Braun
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On Mon, 26 May 2008 21:39:19 -0700, Kerry Galloway
<kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>
>Now - on the other hand...
>
>... Would developments that involved OSX interest you? :)
>
Effin' A skippy it would.... I've been an OS9 guy since I started, and
recently, begrudgingly, decided to start building an XP box because of
the available gooderness.
However, if Mike can make OSX - flavored versions, and your dudes can
make Paris work under OSX, then I'm ready to score a G4 and stay in
the family.
I'd be pissed that I sold my dual-1GHz Quicksilver after I got my G5,
but that's life.
pab
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Wed, 28 May 2008 01:55 |
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if you're not using the card and he can use it...
On Tue, 27 May 2008 23:06:30 -0500, Paul Braun
<cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 26 May 2008 21:39:19 -0700, Kerry Galloway
><kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Now - on the other hand...
>>
>>... Would developments that involved OSX interest you? :)
>>
>
>Effin' A skippy it would.... I've been an OS9 guy since I started, and
>recently, begrudgingly, decided to start building an XP box because of
>the available gooderness.
>
>However, if Mike can make OSX - flavored versions, and your dudes can
>make Paris work under OSX, then I'm ready to score a G4 and stay in
>the family.
>
>I'd be pissed that I sold my dual-1GHz Quicksilver after I got my G5,
>but that's life.
>
>pab
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Fri, 30 May 2008 16:37 |
Paul Braun
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Good point.
I have one of Rick's EDS cards here that is not in use. I was going
to ship it back to him, but if you can use it, it would seem to be OK
with Rick to send it to you instead.
You can email me offlist if you'd like.
pab
On Wed, 28 May 2008 04:55:30 -0400, rick <parnell68athotmail.com>
wrote:
>if you're not using the card and he can use it...
>
>On Tue, 27 May 2008 23:06:30 -0500, Paul Braun
><cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 26 May 2008 21:39:19 -0700, Kerry Galloway
>><kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Now - on the other hand...
>>>
>>>... Would developments that involved OSX interest you? :)
>>>
>>
>>Effin' A skippy it would.... I've been an OS9 guy since I started, and
>>recently, begrudgingly, decided to start building an XP box because of
>>the available gooderness.
>>
>>However, if Mike can make OSX - flavored versions, and your dudes can
>>make Paris work under OSX, then I'm ready to score a G4 and stay in
>>the family.
>>
>>I'd be pissed that I sold my dual-1GHz Quicksilver after I got my G5,
>>but that's life.
>>
>>pab
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Sat, 31 May 2008 02:43 |
rick
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it's okay, ship away.
On Fri, 30 May 2008 18:37:50 -0500, Paul Braun
<cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>Good point.
>
>I have one of Rick's EDS cards here that is not in use. I was going
>to ship it back to him, but if you can use it, it would seem to be OK
>with Rick to send it to you instead.
>
>You can email me offlist if you'd like.
>
>pab
>
>On Wed, 28 May 2008 04:55:30 -0400, rick <parnell68athotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>if you're not using the card and he can use it...
>>
>>On Tue, 27 May 2008 23:06:30 -0500, Paul Braun
>><cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 26 May 2008 21:39:19 -0700, Kerry Galloway
>>><kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Now - on the other hand...
>>>>
>>>>... Would developments that involved OSX interest you? :)
>>>>
>>>
>>>Effin' A skippy it would.... I've been an OS9 guy since I started, and
>>>recently, begrudgingly, decided to start building an XP box because of
>>>the available gooderness.
>>>
>>>However, if Mike can make OSX - flavored versions, and your dudes can
>>>make Paris work under OSX, then I'm ready to score a G4 and stay in
>>>the family.
>>>
>>>I'd be pissed that I sold my dual-1GHz Quicksilver after I got my G5,
>>>but that's life.
>>>
>>>pab
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You guys totally rock.
I'm just waiting to hear back from several parties right now; when I have
all my ducks in a row I'll start a new thread with more info and some action
items.
- Kerry
On 5/31/08 2:43 AM, in article fd7244p1dvsb6qaq1cmdteio95gomogcjk@4ax.com,
"rick" <parnell68athotmail.com> wrote:
> it's okay, ship away.
>
> On Fri, 30 May 2008 18:37:50 -0500, Paul Braun
> <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>
>> Good point.
>>
>> I have one of Rick's EDS cards here that is not in use. I was going
>> to ship it back to him, but if you can use it, it would seem to be OK
>> with Rick to send it to you instead.
>>
>> You can email me offlist if you'd like.
>>
>> pab
>>
>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 04:55:30 -0400, rick <parnell68athotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> if you're not using the card and he can use it...
>>>
>>> On Tue, 27 May 2008 23:06:30 -0500, Paul Braun
>>> <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 21:39:19 -0700, Kerry Galloway
>>>> <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now - on the other hand...
>>>>>
>>>>> ... Would developments that involved OSX interest you? :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Effin' A skippy it would.... I've been an OS9 guy since I started, and
>>>> recently, begrudgingly, decided to start building an XP box because of
>>>> the available gooderness.
>>>>
>>>> However, if Mike can make OSX - flavored versions, and your dudes can
>>>> make Paris work under OSX, then I'm ready to score a G4 and stay in
>>>> the family.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be pissed that I sold my dual-1GHz Quicksilver after I got my G5,
>>>> but that's life.
>>>>
>>>> pab
>
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #99026 is a reply to message #99024] |
Sun, 01 June 2008 03:33 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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at my age i more roll than rock...
On Sat, 31 May 2008 11:01:16 -0700, Kerry Galloway
<kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>You guys totally rock.
>
>I'm just waiting to hear back from several parties right now; when I have
>all my ducks in a row I'll start a new thread with more info and some action
>items.
>
>- Kerry
>
>On 5/31/08 2:43 AM, in article fd7244p1dvsb6qaq1cmdteio95gomogcjk@4ax.com,
>"rick" <parnell68athotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> it's okay, ship away.
>>
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 18:37:50 -0500, Paul Braun
>> <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Good point.
>>>
>>> I have one of Rick's EDS cards here that is not in use. I was going
>>> to ship it back to him, but if you can use it, it would seem to be OK
>>> with Rick to send it to you instead.
>>>
>>> You can email me offlist if you'd like.
>>>
>>> pab
>>>
>>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 04:55:30 -0400, rick <parnell68athotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> if you're not using the card and he can use it...
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 27 May 2008 23:06:30 -0500, Paul Braun
>>>> <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 21:39:19 -0700, Kerry Galloway
>>>>> <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now - on the other hand...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... Would developments that involved OSX interest you? :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Effin' A skippy it would.... I've been an OS9 guy since I started, and
>>>>> recently, begrudgingly, decided to start building an XP box because of
>>>>> the available gooderness.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, if Mike can make OSX - flavored versions, and your dudes can
>>>>> make Paris work under OSX, then I'm ready to score a G4 and stay in
>>>>> the family.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be pissed that I sold my dual-1GHz Quicksilver after I got my G5,
>>>>> but that's life.
>>>>>
>>>>> pab
>>
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components OS X [message #99027 is a reply to message #99023] |
Sun, 01 June 2008 06:59 |
hank
Messages: 25
Registered: August 2005
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A few users here in Australia would jump at an OS X version.
Hank
>>I have one of Rick's EDS cards here that is not in use. I was going
>>to ship it back to him, but if you can use it, it would seem to be OK
>>with Rick to send it to you instead.
>>
>>You can email me offlist if you'd like.
>>
>>pab
>>
>>On Wed, 28 May 2008 04:55:30 -0400, rick <parnell68athotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>if you're not using the card and he can use it...
>>>
>>>On Tue, 27 May 2008 23:06:30 -0500, Paul Braun
>>><cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 26 May 2008 21:39:19 -0700, Kerry Galloway
>>>><kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Now - on the other hand...
>>>>>
>>>>>... Would developments that involved OSX interest you? :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Effin' A skippy it would.... I've been an OS9 guy since I started, and
>>>>recently, begrudgingly, decided to start building an XP box because of
>>>>the available gooderness.
>>>>
>>>>However, if Mike can make OSX - flavored versions, and your dudes can
>>>>make Paris work under OSX, then I'm ready to score a G4 and stay in
>>>>the family.
>>>>
>>>>I'd be pissed that I sold my dual-1GHz Quicksilver after I got my G5,
>>>>but that's life.
>>>>
>>>>pab
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #99315 is a reply to message #98946] |
Fri, 20 June 2008 08:19 |
Rich Lamanna
Messages: 316
Registered: February 2006
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Wow, this is great news. I don't have any spare components, but would be
willing to donate $$$ to the cause. Appreciate the Paris community. As usual
you guys are all stellar.
Rich
"Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
news:C45F0B7F.B044%kg@kerrygalloway.com...
> Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more
info
> to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>
> Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting
out
> an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>
> As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
> various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've
talked
> to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are
very
> interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get there.
>
> Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the
FaderWorks
> PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet and
> Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
> investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
> independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things like what
> driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps might
> feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might obtain
> the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future proof"
> our access to our "back catalogs".
>
> I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have devoted
many
> hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of others,
but
> I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a "wish
list",
> and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at least
one
> of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly likely"
and
> "within a reasonably short timeframe".
>
> BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved asking
> the community for significant sums of money for development specific only
to
> PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with great
> track records and real good will who have offered me every break in the
> book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm instead
> seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one:
Mike
> Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some 400
> users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months
amongst
> the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of that
> size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build their
> clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into investigating
> making those people happy (particularly if the developer has existing code
> that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the PARIS
> community that might make it more interesting to certain developers than
raw
> numbers might dictate.
>
> >>>>
>
> Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>
> Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they don't
have
> a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy. Given
> our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a developer to
> do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a
PARIS
> rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
> developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being sure
you
> can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and those
> developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - then
> IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to them*.
>
> >>>>
>
> So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
> "turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready to
> be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've guessed
> that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're a
> good guesser :D).
>
> Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at
least
> one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS can
> be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry, we
> didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
> whatever we can lay our hands on.
>
> In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
> contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer to
be
> the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that received
> the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent
it
> to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
> home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it elsewhere.
>
> BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
> what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
> delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's
a
> name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
> commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
>
> Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer, whoever
> it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
> setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
> community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
> packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money"
costs
> for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>
> >>>>
>
> As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just an
> "assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to
this
> idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing it
to
> go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>
> PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
> selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth
more
> than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
> developments if everything worked out well.
>
> So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's
gathering
> dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway -
a
> component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
full
> rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
> effort instead?
>
> In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to a
> community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
> the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a
single
> EDS card.
>
> I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
that
> I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
> know what you think.
>
> - Kerry Galloway
>
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #99340 is a reply to message #98965] |
Tue, 24 June 2008 14:40 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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I'm in.
Jimmy
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Kerry,
>
>I'm not loaded with extra hardware and I'm not totally into pushing
>44.1 converters into the future either but I'd still make a donation to
=
>help
>the overall cause.
>
>Count me in. =20
>
>Tom
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:483ad981@linux...
> +1
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message=20
> news:483aa591$1@linux...
> >
> > I don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if =
>enough of
> > us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could probably =
>make it
> > happen. Could we set up a PayPal account to gather Paris =
>development=20
> > funds?
> >
> > Gantt
> >
> > "Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>I'm not really in the right financial shape to donate a rig (Out of=20
> >>work/Starting
> >>a new business), but I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris
=
>
> >>die-hards
> >>want to buy my rig at a reasonable price and donate it for =
>development let
> >>me know. I was about to post it to the FS group. I'm looking =
>through the
> >>old posts now to figure out what it's worth.
> >>
> >>Here's what I've got in Austin,TX:
> >>All of these are in Black
> >>
> >>MEC
> >>442
> >>(2) EDS
> >>8in card
> >>8out card
> >>ADAT card
> >>(2) C16
> >>
> >>It's running Paris 3.0 on an older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB =
>RAM.
> > I
> >>was going to re-purpose the PC for something else but would take =
>offers
> > for
> >>it too.
> >>
> >>-Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
> >>>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had
=
>more
> >>info
> >>>to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
> >>>
> >>>Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm =
>putting
> >>out
> >>>an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
> >>>
> >>>As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people
=
>in
> >>>various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. =
>I've=20
> >>>talked
> >>>to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There
=
>are
> > very
> >>>interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get =
>there.
> >>>
> >>>Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the=20
> >>>FaderWorks
> >>>PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet
=
>and
> >>>Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
> >>>investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
> >>>independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things =
>like=20
> >>>what
> >>>driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps
=
>might
> >>>feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might
=
>obtain
> >>>the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future
=
>
> >>>proof"
> >>>our access to our "back catalogs".
> >>>
> >>>I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have =
>devoted
> > many
> >>>hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of =
>others,
> >>but
> >>>I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a =
>"wish=20
> >>>list",
> >>>and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at
=
>least
> >>one
> >>>of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly =
>likely"
> >>and
> >>>"within a reasonably short timeframe".
> >>>
> >>>BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved
=
>
> >>>asking
> >>>the community for significant sums of money for development =
>specific only
> >>to
> >>>PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with =
>great
> >>>track records and real good will who have offered me every break in
=
>the
> >>>book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm=20
> >>>instead
> >>>seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this =
>one:
> > Mike
> >>>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some
=
>400
> >>>users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months
=
>
> >>>amongst
> >>>the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market
=
>of=20
> >>>that
> >>>size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build
=
>their
> >>>clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into =
>investigating
> >>>making those people happy (particularly if the developer has =
>existing=20
> >>>code
> >>>that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the =
>PARIS
> >>>community that might make it more interesting to certain developers
=
>than
> >>raw
> >>>numbers might dictate.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
> >>>
> >>>Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they =
>don't
> > have
> >>>a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and =
>buy.=20
> >>>Given
> >>>our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a =
>developer
> >>to
> >>>do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase
=
>a=20
> >>>PARIS
> >>>rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
> >>>developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being
=
>sure
> >>you
> >>>can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, =
>and=20
> >>>those
> >>>developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us -
=
>then
> >>>IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to =
>them*.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a =
>pre-assembled,
> >>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, =
>ready
> >>to
> >>>be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've=20
> >>>guessed
> >>>that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, =
>you're
> >>a
> >>>good guesser :D).
> >>>
> >>>Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing
=
>at
> > least
> >>>one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so =
>PARIS
> > can
> >>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this =
>"sorry,
> > we
> >>>didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll =
>settle for
> >>>whatever we can lay our hands on.
> >>>
> >>>In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
> >>>contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to =
>volunteer
> > to
> >>be
> >>>the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that=20
> >>>received
> >>>the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and
=
>sent
> >>it
> >>>to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a =
>long-term
> >>>home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it=20
> >>>elsewhere.
> >>>
> >>>BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't =
>even ask
> >>>what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost =
>and the
> >>>delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, =
>and he's
> >>a
> >>>name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are =
>some
> >>>commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for
=
>his.
> >>>
> >>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer,=20
> >>>whoever
> >>>it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd =
>propose
> >>>setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let
=
>the
> >>>community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
> >>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer =
>money"=20
> >>>costs
> >>>for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's
=
>just
> >>an
> >>>"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support
=
>to
> > this
> >>>idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was =
>proposing
> > it
> >>to
> >>>go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for =
>components.
> >>>
> >>>PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly
=
>worth
> >>>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably =
>worth
> > more
> >>>than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very =
>exciting
> >>>developments if everything worked out well.
> >>>
> >>>So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's=20
> >>>gathering
> >>>dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices =
>anyway
> >>- a
> >>>component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or =
>even a
> >>full
> >>>rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development
=
>rig"
> >>>effort instead?
> >>>
> >>>In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation
=
>to
> > a
> >>>community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we =
>see what
> >>>the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have
=
>a=20
> >>>single
> >>>EDS card.
> >>>
> >>>I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my
=
>own,
> >>that
> >>>I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. =
>Let me
> >>>know what you think.
> >>>
> >>>- Kerry Galloway
> >>>
> >>
> >=20
>
>
>
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm not loaded with extra hardware =
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> <DIV>"Edna" <<A=20
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>wrote in=20
> message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:483ad981@linux">news:483ad981@linux</A>...</DIV>+1<BR>"Gantt=
>=20
> Kushner" <<A=20
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>href=3D"news:483aa591$1@linux">news:483aa591$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
>t; I=20
> don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if enough=20
> of<BR>> us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could=20
> probably make it<BR>> happen. Could we set up a PayPal =
>account=20
> to gather Paris development <BR>> funds?<BR>><BR>>=20
> Gantt<BR>><BR>> "Brian Milton" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:bcmilton@austin.rr.com">bcmilton@austin.rr.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>I'm not really in the right financial =
>shape to=20
> donate a rig (Out of <BR>>>work/Starting<BR>>>a new =
>business), but=20
> I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris=20
> <BR>>>die-hards<BR>>>want to buy my rig at a reasonable =
>price and=20
> donate it for development let<BR>>>me know. I was about to =
>post it=20
> to the FS group. I'm looking through the<BR>>>old posts =
>now to=20
> figure out what it's worth.<BR>>><BR>>>Here's what I've =
>got in=20
> Austin,TX:<BR>>>All of these are in=20
> Black<BR>>><BR>>>MEC<BR>>>442<BR>>>(2)=20
> EDS<BR>>>8in card<BR>>>8out card<BR>>>ADAT=20
> card<BR>>>(2) C16<BR>>><BR>>>It's running Paris 3.0 =
>on an=20
> older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB RAM.<BR>> I<BR>>>was =
>going to=20
> re-purpose the PC for something else but would take offers<BR>>=20
> for<BR>>>it=20
> =
>too.<BR>>><BR>>>-Brian<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR=
>>>>Kerry=20
> Galloway <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:kg@kerrygalloway.com">kg@kerrygalloway.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>>>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit =
>longer=20
> until I had more<BR>>>info<BR>>>>to share, but it seems =
>
> particularly timely today.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Sorry this =
>is a bit=20
> long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm=20
> putting<BR>>>out<BR>>>>an appeal here, you should have =
>full=20
> access to my "source code" :D<BR>>>><BR>>>>As my =
>previous=20
> posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people =
>in<BR>>>>various=20
> places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've=20
> <BR>>>>talked<BR>>>>to many companies/developers. =
>Some names=20
> might surprise you. There are<BR>> very<BR>>>>interesting =
>avenues=20
> to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get=20
> there.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Development involving the PARIS =
>app=20
> itself (eg EDS plugins or the =
><BR>>>>FaderWorks<BR>>>>PDC=20
> advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet=20
> and<BR>>>>Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts =
>elsewhere=20
> - I'm<BR>>>>investigating what alternatives might exist for =
>the PARIS=20
> hardware<BR>>>>independent of the PARIS app. This involves=20
> investigating things like <BR>>>>what<BR>>>>driver =
>options=20
> could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps=20
> might<BR>>>>feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; =
>and how=20
> we might obtain<BR>>>>the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs =
>into=20
> another app to "future <BR>>>>proof"<BR>>>>our =
>access to our=20
> "back catalogs".<BR>>>><BR>>>>I can only promise I'm =
>working=20
> hard in the background and have devoted<BR>> =
>many<BR>>>>hours=20
> already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of=20
> others,<BR>>>but<BR>>>>I see the bulk of items on my =
>list as=20
> more "to do" items than a "wish =
><BR>>>>list",<BR>>>>and if=20
> two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at=20
> least<BR>>>one<BR>>>>of the developments (safeguarding =
>our=20
> ppj/pafs) as both "fairly =
>likely"<BR>>>and<BR>>>>"within a=20
> reasonably short timeframe".<BR>>>><BR>>>>BTW, I =
>have=20
> already rejected some promising solutions that involved=20
> <BR>>>>asking<BR>>>>the community for significant =
>sums of=20
> money for development specific =
>only<BR>>>to<BR>>>>PARIS. I've=20
> talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with=20
> great<BR>>>>track records and real good will who have offered =
>me=20
> every break in the<BR>>>>book, but I don't propose taking the =
>
> community down that road. I'm =
><BR>>>>instead<BR>>>>seeking=20
> developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one:<BR>> =
>
> Mike<BR>>>>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS =
>
> userbase as some 400<BR>>>>users worldwide (I have recorded =
>over 40=20
> within the last few months <BR>>>>amongst<BR>>>>the =
>subset=20
> of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of=20
> <BR>>>>that<BR>>>>size is not insignificant for a =
>smaller=20
> developer looking to build their<BR>>>>clientele - it can be =
>worth=20
> them throwing some effort into investigating<BR>>>>making =
>those=20
> people happy (particularly if the developer has existing=20
> <BR>>>>code<BR>>>>that might merely need tweaking). =
>And=20
> there are aspects of the PARIS<BR>>>>community that might =
>make it=20
> more interesting to certain developers=20
> than<BR>>>raw<BR>>>>numbers might=20
> =
>dictate.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>><=
>BR>>>>Here's=20
> the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community=20
> about.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Even the most interested =
>developers=20
> can't do much for us if they don't<BR>> have<BR>>>>a PARIS =
>rig -=20
> and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy.=20
> <BR>>>>Given<BR>>>>our small size as a market, if we =
>as a=20
> community are asking a developer<BR>>>to<BR>>>>do =
>things for=20
> us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a=20
> <BR>>>>PARIS<BR>>>>rig so you can help us out" isn't =
>gonna=20
> fly. Neither is promising a<BR>>>>developer you'll get them =
>access to=20
> a rig to test on without being sure<BR>>>you<BR>>>>can =
>deliver.=20
> If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and=20
> <BR>>>>those<BR>>>>developers have to have a PARIS =
>rig=20
> available in order to help us - then<BR>>>>IMHO it's *in the=20
> community's best interest to provide one to=20
> =
>them*.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>><BR=
>>>>>So=20
> this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a=20
> pre-assembled,<BR>>>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a =
>computer) PARIS=20
> development rig, ready<BR>>>to<BR>>>>be shipped to =
>developers=20
> that could do it the most good (if you've=20
> <BR>>>>guessed<BR>>>>that I have destinations in =
>mind to=20
> offer this to already - well, you're<BR>>>a<BR>>>>good =
>guesser=20
> :D).<BR>>>><BR>>>>Ideally this rig would be a =
>multi-card,=20
> multi-MEC system containing at<BR>> least<BR>>>>one of =
>every=20
> existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS<BR>>=20
> can<BR>>>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No =
>more of=20
> this "sorry,<BR>> we<BR>>>>didn't have a full system to =
>test"=20
> thing. But as a start we'll settle for<BR>>>>whatever we can =
>lay our=20
> hands on.<BR>>>><BR>>>>In addition we'd need a PARIS =
>
> community member who lives in the 48<BR>>>>contiguous states =
>(to keep=20
> shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer<BR>>=20
> to<BR>>>be<BR>>>>the occasional "depot/shipping =
>person". They'd=20
> be the person that <BR>>>>received<BR>>>>the donated =
>
> components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and=20
> sent<BR>>>it<BR>>>>to where it needed to go, and if =
>needed=20
> (although if it finds a long-term<BR>>>>home fast, that's =
>good news=20
> for us) receive it back and ship it=20
> <BR>>>>elsewhere.<BR>>>><BR>>>>BTW, I'd do =
>it=20
> myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even =
>ask<BR>>>>what=20
> international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and=20
> the<BR>>>>delays. I've already had the first potential =
>volunteer=20
> interest, and he's<BR>>>a<BR>>>>name you've all known a =
>long=20
> time, but we're clear that there are some<BR>>>>commitments I =
>need to=20
> obtain from others before we can ask him for=20
> his.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not =
>proposing=20
> we stick that volunteer, <BR>>>>whoever<BR>>>>it =
>winds up=20
> being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd=20
> propose<BR>>>>setting up something like a PayPal account for =
>them in=20
> order to let the<BR>>>>community chip in a few bucks apiece =
>to cover=20
> any reasonable<BR>>>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - =
>these are=20
> trivial "beer money" <BR>>>>costs<BR>>>>for a =
>community to=20
> absorb, rather than a lump for an=20
> =
>individual.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>&g=
>t;<BR>>>>As=20
> mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's=20
> just<BR>>>an<BR>>>>"assessment" call to determine if =
>folks=20
> would give concrete support to<BR>> this<BR>>>>idea. I'd =
>put=20
> everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing<BR>>=20
> it<BR>>>to<BR>>>>go (and of course *why*) when I made =
>the=20
> actual call for components.<BR>>>><BR>>>>PARIS =
>hardware=20
> prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly=20
> worth<BR>>>>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in =
>it are=20
> probably worth<BR>> more<BR>>>>than that as salvage!), and =
>there's=20
> the possibility of very exciting<BR>>>>developments if =
>everything=20
> worked out well.<BR>>>><BR>>>>So if you're =
>contemplating=20
> blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's=20
> <BR>>>>gathering<BR>>>>dust, make me an offer, just =
>get it=20
> out of here" fire-sale prices anyway<BR>>>- =
>a<BR>>>>component=20
> or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even=20
> a<BR>>>full<BR>>>>rig - would you consider donating =
>components=20
> to such a "development rig"<BR>>>>effort=20
> instead?<BR>>>><BR>>>>In addition, would there be =
>any=20
> interest in making a small donation to<BR>> =
>a<BR>>>>community fund=20
> to purchase any components we're missing after we see =
>what<BR>>>>the=20
> donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a=20
> <BR>>>>single<BR>>>>EDS=20
> card.<BR>>>><BR>>>>I've got no promises to give in =
>exchange=20
> at this moment, except my own,<BR>>>that<BR>>>>I'm =
>working on=20
> things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let =
>me<BR>>>>know=20
> what you think.<BR>>>><BR>>>>- Kerry=20
> Galloway<BR>>>><BR>>><BR>> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #99342 is a reply to message #99340] |
Tue, 24 June 2008 20:13 |
Deej [5]
Messages: 373
Registered: March 2008
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I just found a set of EDS Connector cables (the little ribbon cables).
Tell me where to send 'em.
Deej
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>I'm in.
>
>Jimmy
>
>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Kerry,
>>
>>I'm not loaded with extra hardware and I'm not totally into pushing
>>44.1 converters into the future either but I'd still make a donation to
>=
>>help
>>the overall cause.
>>
>>Count me in. =20
>>
>>Tom
>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:483ad981@linux...
>> +1
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message=20
>> news:483aa591$1@linux...
>> >
>> > I don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if =
>>enough of
>> > us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could probably =
>>make it
>> > happen. Could we set up a PayPal account to gather Paris =
>>development=20
>> > funds?
>> >
>> > Gantt
>> >
>> > "Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>I'm not really in the right financial shape to donate a rig (Out of=20
>> >>work/Starting
>> >>a new business), but I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris
>=
>>
>> >>die-hards
>> >>want to buy my rig at a reasonable price and donate it for =
>>development let
>> >>me know. I was about to post it to the FS group. I'm looking =
>>through the
>> >>old posts now to figure out what it's worth.
>> >>
>> >>Here's what I've got in Austin,TX:
>> >>All of these are in Black
>> >>
>> >>MEC
>> >>442
>> >>(2) EDS
>> >>8in card
>> >>8out card
>> >>ADAT card
>> >>(2) C16
>> >>
>> >>It's running Paris 3.0 on an older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB =
>>RAM.
>> > I
>> >>was going to re-purpose the PC for something else but would take =
>>offers
>> > for
>> >>it too.
>> >>
>> >>-Brian
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>> >>>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had
>=
>>more
>> >>info
>> >>>to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>> >>>
>> >>>Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm =
>>putting
>> >>out
>> >>>an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>> >>>
>> >>>As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people
>=
>>in
>> >>>various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. =
>>I've=20
>> >>>talked
>> >>>to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There
>=
>>are
>> > very
>> >>>interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get =
>>there.
>> >>>
>> >>>Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the=20
>> >>>FaderWorks
>> >>>PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet
>=
>>and
>> >>>Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
>> >>>investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
>> >>>independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things =
>>like=20
>> >>>what
>> >>>driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps
>=
>>might
>> >>>feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might
>=
>>obtain
>> >>>the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future
>=
>>
>> >>>proof"
>> >>>our access to our "back catalogs".
>> >>>
>> >>>I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have =
>>devoted
>> > many
>> >>>hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of =
>>others,
>> >>but
>> >>>I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a =
>>"wish=20
>> >>>list",
>> >>>and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at
>=
>>least
>> >>one
>> >>>of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly =
>>likely"
>> >>and
>> >>>"within a reasonably short timeframe".
>> >>>
>> >>>BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved
>=
>>
>> >>>asking
>> >>>the community for significant sums of money for development =
>>specific only
>> >>to
>> >>>PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with
=
>>great
>> >>>track records and real good will who have offered me every break in
>=
>>the
>> >>>book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm=20
>> >>>instead
>> >>>seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this
=
>>one:
>> > Mike
>> >>>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some
>=
>>400
>> >>>users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months
>=
>>
>> >>>amongst
>> >>>the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market
>=
>>of=20
>> >>>that
>> >>>size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build
>=
>>their
>> >>>clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into =
>>investigating
>> >>>making those people happy (particularly if the developer has =
>>existing=20
>> >>>code
>> >>>that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the =
>>PARIS
>> >>>community that might make it more interesting to certain developers
>=
>>than
>> >>raw
>> >>>numbers might dictate.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>> >>>
>> >>>Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they =
>>don't
>> > have
>> >>>a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and =
>>buy.=20
>> >>>Given
>> >>>our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a =
>>developer
>> >>to
>> >>>do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase
>=
>>a=20
>> >>>PARIS
>> >>>rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising
a
>> >>>developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being
>=
>>sure
>> >>you
>> >>>can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, =
>>and=20
>> >>>those
>> >>>developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us
-
>=
>>then
>> >>>IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to =
>>them*.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a =
>>pre-assembled,
>> >>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig,
=
>>ready
>> >>to
>> >>>be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've=20
>> >>>guessed
>> >>>that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well,
=
>>you're
>> >>a
>> >>>good guesser :D).
>> >>>
>> >>>Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing
>=
>>at
>> > least
>> >>>one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so =
>>PARIS
>> > can
>> >>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this =
>>"sorry,
>> > we
>> >>>didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll =
>>settle for
>> >>>whatever we can lay our hands on.
>> >>>
>> >>>In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>> >>>contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to =
>>volunteer
>> > to
>> >>be
>> >>>the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that=20
>> >>>received
>> >>>the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and
>=
>>sent
>> >>it
>> >>>to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a =
>>long-term
>> >>>home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it=20
>> >>>elsewhere.
>> >>>
>> >>>BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't =
>>even ask
>> >>>what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost =
>>and the
>> >>>delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, =
>>and he's
>> >>a
>> >>>name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are
=
>>some
>> >>>commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for
>=
>>his.
>> >>>
>> >>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer,=20
>> >>>whoever
>> >>>it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd =
>>propose
>> >>>setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let
>=
>>the
>> >>>community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>> >>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer =
>>money"=20
>> >>>costs
>> >>>for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's
>=
>>just
>> >>an
>> >>>"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support
>=
>>to
>> > this
>> >>>idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was =
>>proposing
>> > it
>> >>to
>> >>>go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for =
>>components.
>> >>>
>> >>>PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly
>=
>>worth
>> >>>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably =
>>worth
>> > more
>> >>>than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very =
>>exciting
>> >>>developments if everything worked out well.
>> >>>
>> >>>So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's=20
>> >>>gathering
>> >>>dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices
=
>>anyway
>> >>- a
>> >>>component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or =
>>even a
>> >>full
>> >>>rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development
>=
>>rig"
>> >>>effort instead?
>> >>>
>> >>>In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation
>=
>>to
>> > a
>> >>>community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we =
>>see what
>> >>>the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have
>=
>>a=20
>> >>>single
>> >>>EDS card.
>> >>>
>> >>>I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my
>=
>>own,
>> >>that
>> >>>I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done.
=
>>Let me
>> >>>know what you think.
>> >>>
>> >>>- Kerry Galloway
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >=20
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kerry,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm not loaded with extra hardware =
>>and I'm not=20
>>totally into pushing</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>44.1 converters into the future either
>=
>>but I'd=20
>>still make a donation to help</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the overall cause.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Count me in. </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Edna" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com">edna@texomaonline.com</A>> =
>>wrote in=20
>> message <A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"news:483ad981@linux">news:483ad981@linux</A>...</DIV>+1<BR>"Gantt=
>>=20
>> Kushner" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:ganttmann@comcast.net">ganttmann@comcast.net</A>> =
>>wrote in=20
>> message <BR><A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"news:483aa591$1@linux">news:483aa591$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
>>t; I=20
>> don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if enough=20
>> of<BR>> us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could=20
>> probably make it<BR>> happen. Could we set up a PayPal =
>>account=20
>> to gather Paris development <BR>> funds?<BR>><BR>>=20
>> Gantt<BR>><BR>> "Brian Milton" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:bcmilton@austin.rr.com">bcmilton@austin.rr.com</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>I'm not really in the right financial =
>>shape to=20
>> donate a rig (Out of <BR>>>work/Starting<BR>>>a new =
>>business), but=20
>> I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris=20
>> <BR>>>die-hards<BR>>>want to buy my rig at a reasonable =
>>price and=20
>> donate it for development let<BR>>>me know. I was about to =
>>post it=20
>> to the FS group. I'm looking through the<BR>>>old posts =
>>now to=20
>> figure out what it's worth.<BR>>><BR>>>Here's what I've =
>>got in=20
>> Austin,TX:<BR>>>All of these are in=20
>> Black<BR>>><BR>>>MEC<BR>>>442<BR>>>(2)=20
>> EDS<BR>>>8in card<BR>>>8out card<BR>>>ADAT=20
>> card<BR>>>(2) C16<BR>>><BR>>>It's running Paris 3.0 =
>>on an=20
>> older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB RAM.<BR>> I<BR>>>was =
>>going to=20
>> re-purpose the PC for something else but would take offers<BR>>=20
>> for<BR>>>it=20
>> =
>>too.<BR>>><BR>>>-Brian<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR=
>>>>>Kerry=20
>> Galloway <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:kg@kerrygalloway.com">kg@kerrygalloway.com</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>>>>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit =
>>longer=20
>> until I had more<BR>>>info<BR>>>>to share, but it seems =
>>
>> particularly timely today.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Sorry this =
>>is a bit=20
>> long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm=20
>> putting<BR>>>out<BR>>>>an appeal here, you should have =
>>full=20
>> access to my "source code" :D<BR>>>><BR>>>>As my =
>>previous=20
>> posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people =
>>in<BR>>>>various=20
>> places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've=20
>> <BR>>>>talked<BR>>>>to many companies/developers. =
>>Some names=20
>> might surprise you. There are<BR>> very<BR>>>>interesting =
>>avenues=20
>> to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get=20
>> there.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Development involving the PARIS =
>>app=20
>> itself (eg EDS plugins or the =
>><BR>>>>FaderWorks<BR>>>>PDC=20
>> advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet=20
>> and<BR>>>>Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts =
>>elsewhere=20
>> - I'm<BR>>>>investigating what alternatives might exist for =
>>the PARIS=20
>> hardware<BR>>>>independent of the PARIS app. This involves=20
>> investigating things like <BR>>>>what<BR>>>>driver =
>>options=20
>> could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps=20
>> might<BR>>>>feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; =
>>and how=20
>> we might obtain<BR>>>>the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs =
>>into=20
>> another app to "future <BR>>>>proof"<BR>>>>our =
>>access to our=20
>> "back catalogs".<BR>>>><BR>>>>I can only promise I'm =
>>working=20
>> hard in the background and have devoted<BR>> =
>>many<BR>>>>hours=20
>> already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of=20
>> others,<BR>>>but<BR>>>>I see the bulk of items on my =
>>list as=20
>> more "to do" items than a "wish =
>><BR>>>>list",<BR>>>>and if=20
>> two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at=20
>> least<BR>>>one<BR>>>>of the developments (safeguarding =
>>our=20
>> ppj/pafs) as both "fairly =
>>likely"<BR>>>and<BR>>>>"within a=20
>> reasonably short timeframe".<BR>>>><BR>>>>BTW, I =
>>have=20
>> already rejected some promising solutions that involved=20
>> <BR>>>>asking<BR>>>>the community for significant =
>>sums of=20
>> money for development specific =
>>only<BR>>>to<BR>>>>PARIS. I've=20
>> talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with=20
>> great<BR>>>>track records and real good will who have offered =
>>me=20
>> every break in the<BR>>>>book, but I don't propose taking the =
>>
>> community down that road. I'm =
>><BR>>>>instead<BR>>>>seeking=20
>> developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one:<BR>> =
>>
>> Mike<BR>>>>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS =
>>
>> userbase as some 400<BR>>>>users worldwide (I have recorded =
>>over 40=20
>> within the last few months <BR>>>>amongst<BR>>>>the =
>>subset=20
>> of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of=20
>> <BR>>>>that<BR>>>>size is not insignificant for a =
>>smaller=20
>> developer looking to build their<BR>>>>clientele - it can be =
>>worth=20
>> them throwing some effort into investigating<BR>>>>making =
>>those=20
>> people happy (particularly if the developer has existing=20
>> <BR>>>>code<BR>>>>that might merely need tweaking). =
>>And=20
>> there are aspects of the PARIS<BR>>>>community that might =
>>make it=20
>> more interesting to certain developers=20
>> than<BR>>>raw<BR>>>>numbers might=20
>> =
>>dictate.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>><=
>>BR>>>>Here's=20
>> the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community=20
>> about.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Even the most interested =
>>developers=20
>> can't do much for us if they don't<BR>> have<BR>>>>a PARIS =
>>rig -=20
>> and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy.=20
>> <BR>>>>Given<BR>>>>our small size as a market, if we =
>>as a=20
>> community are asking a developer<BR>>>to<BR>>>>do =
>>things for=20
>> us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a=20
>> <BR>>>>PARIS<BR>>>>rig so you can help us out" isn't =
>>gonna=20
>> fly. Neither is promising a<BR>>>>developer you'll get them =
>>access to=20
>> a rig to test on without being sure<BR>>>you<BR>>>>can =
>>deliver.=20
>> If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and=20
>> <BR>>>>those<BR>>>>developers have to have a PARIS =
>>rig=20
>> available in order to help us - then<BR>>>>IMHO it's *in the=20
>> community's best interest to provide one to=20
>> =
>>them*.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>><BR=
>>>>>>So=20
>> this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a=20
>> pre-assembled,<BR>>>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a =
>>computer) PARIS=20
>> development rig, ready<BR>>>to<BR>>>>be shipped to =
>>developers=20
>> that could do it the most good (if you've=20
>> <BR>>>>guessed<BR>>>>that I have destinations in =
>>mind to=20
>> offer this to already - well, you're<BR>>>a<BR>>>>good =
>>guesser=20
>> :D).<BR>>>><BR>>>>Ideally this rig would be a =
>>multi-card,=20
>> multi-MEC system containing at<BR>> least<BR>>>>one of =
>>every=20
>> existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS<BR>>=20
>> can<BR>>>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No =
>>more of=20
>> this "sorry,<BR>> we<BR>>>>didn't have a full system to =
>>test"=20
>> thing. But as a start we'll settle for<BR>>>>whatever we can =
>>lay our=20
>> hands on.<BR>>>><BR>>>>In addition we'd need a PARIS =
>>
>> community member who lives in the 48<BR>>>>contiguous states =
>>(to keep=20
>> shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer<BR>>=20
>> to<BR>>>be<BR>>>>the occasional "depot/shipping =
>>person". They'd=20
>> be the person that <BR>>>>received<BR>>>>the donated =
>>
>> components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and=20
>> sent<BR>>>it<BR>>>>to where it needed to go, and if =
>>needed=20
>> (although if it finds a long-term<BR>>>>home fast, that's =
>>good news=20
>> for us) receive it back and ship it=20
>> <BR>>>>elsewhere.<BR>>>><BR>>>>BTW, I'd do =
>>it=20
>> myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even =
>>ask<BR>>>>what=20
>> international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and=20
>> the<BR>>>>delays. I've already had the first potential =
>>volunteer=20
>> interest, and he's<BR>>>a<BR>>>>name you've all known a =
>>long=20
>> time, but we're clear that there are some<BR>>>>commitments I =
>>need to=20
>> obtain from others before we can ask him for=20
>> his.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not =
>>proposing=20
>> we stick that volunteer, <BR>>>>whoever<BR>>>>it =
>>winds up=20
>> being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd=20
>> propose<BR>>>>setting up something like a PayPal account for =
>>them in=20
>> order to let the<BR>>>>community chip in a few bucks apiece =
>>to cover=20
>> any reasonable<BR>>>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - =
>>these are=20
>> trivial "beer money" <BR>>>>costs<BR>>>>for a =
>>community to=20
>> absorb, rather than a lump for an=20
>> =
>>individual.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>&g=
>>t;<BR>>>>As=20
>> mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's=20
>> just<BR>>>an<BR>>>>"assessment" call to determine if =
>>folks=20
>> would give concrete support to<BR>> this<BR>>>>idea. I'd =
>>put=20
>> everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing<BR>>=20
>> it<BR>>>to<BR>>>>go (and of course *why*) when I made =
>>the=20
>> actual call for components.<BR>>>><BR>>>>PARIS =
>>hardware=20
>> prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly=20
>> worth<BR>>>>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in =
>>it are=20
>> probably worth<BR>> more<BR>>>>than that as salvage!), and =
>>there's=20
>> the possibility of very exciting<BR>>>>developments if =
>>everything=20
>> worked out well.<BR>>>><BR>>>>So if you're =
>>contemplating=20
>> blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's=20
>> <BR>>>>gathering<BR>>>>dust, make me an offer, just =
>>get it=20
>> out of here" fire-sale prices anyway<BR>>>- =
>>a<BR>>>>component=20
>> or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even=20
>> a<BR>>>full<BR>>>>rig - would you consider donating =
>>components=20
>> to such a "development rig"<BR>>>>effort=20
>> instead?<BR>>>><BR>>>>In addition, would there be =
>>any=20
>> interest in making a small donation to<BR>> =
>>a<BR>>>>community fund=20
>> to purchase any components we're missing after we see =
>>what<BR>>>>the=20
>> donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a=20
>> <BR>>>>single<BR>>>>EDS=20
>> card.<BR>>>><BR>>>>I've got no promises to give in =
>>exchange=20
>> at this moment, except my own,<BR>>>that<BR>>>>I'm =
>>working on=20
>> things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let =
>>me<BR>>>>know=20
>> what you think.<BR>>>><BR>>>>- Kerry=20
>> Galloway<BR>>>><BR>>><BR>> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
>>and=20
>>you?<BR><A=20
>>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: PLEASE READ - Got PARIS components for a development rig? [message #99343 is a reply to message #99342] |
Tue, 24 June 2008 22:53 |
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Excellent, thanks! I'll post an update shortly.
- K
On 6/24/08 8:13 PM, in article 4861b7ca$1@linux, "Deej" <noway@jose.net>
wrote:
>
> I just found a set of EDS Connector cables (the little ribbon cables).
>
> Tell me where to send 'em.
>
> Deej
>
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm in.
>>
>> Jimmy
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Kerry,
>>>
>>> I'm not loaded with extra hardware and I'm not totally into pushing
>>> 44.1 converters into the future either but I'd still make a donation to
>> =
>>> help
>>> the overall cause.
>>>
>>> Count me in. =20
>>>
>>> Tom
>>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:483ad981@linux...
>>> +1
>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message=20
>>> news:483aa591$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if =
>>> enough of
>>>> us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could probably =
>>> make it
>>>> happen. Could we set up a PayPal account to gather Paris =
>>> development=20
>>>> funds?
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>> "Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not really in the right financial shape to donate a rig (Out of=20
>>>>> work/Starting
>>>>> a new business), but I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris
>> =
>>>
>>>>> die-hards
>>>>> want to buy my rig at a reasonable price and donate it for =
>>> development let
>>>>> me know. I was about to post it to the FS group. I'm looking =
>>> through the
>>>>> old posts now to figure out what it's worth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's what I've got in Austin,TX:
>>>>> All of these are in Black
>>>>>
>>>>> MEC
>>>>> 442
>>>>> (2) EDS
>>>>> 8in card
>>>>> 8out card
>>>>> ADAT card
>>>>> (2) C16
>>>>>
>>>>> It's running Paris 3.0 on an older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB =
>>> RAM.
>>>> I
>>>>> was going to re-purpose the PC for something else but would take =
>>> offers
>>>> for
>>>>> it too.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had
>> =
>>> more
>>>>> info
>>>>>> to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm =
>>> putting
>>>>> out
>>>>>> an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people
>> =
>>> in
>>>>>> various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. =
>>> I've=20
>>>>>> talked
>>>>>> to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There
>> =
>>> are
>>>> very
>>>>>> interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get =
>>> there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the=20
>>>>>> FaderWorks
>>>>>> PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet
>> =
>>> and
>>>>>> Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
>>>>>> investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
>>>>>> independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things =
>>> like=20
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps
>> =
>>> might
>>>>>> feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might
>> =
>>> obtain
>>>>>> the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future
>> =
>>>
>>>>>> proof"
>>>>>> our access to our "back catalogs".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have =
>>> devoted
>>>> many
>>>>>> hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of =
>>> others,
>>>>> but
>>>>>> I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a =
>>> "wish=20
>>>>>> list",
>>>>>> and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at
>> =
>>> least
>>>>> one
>>>>>> of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly =
>>> likely"
>>>>> and
>>>>>> "within a reasonably short timeframe".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved
>> =
>>>
>>>>>> asking
>>>>>> the community for significant sums of money for development =
>>> specific only
>>>>> to
>>>>>> PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with
> =
>>> great
>>>>>> track records and real good will who have offered me every break in
>> =
>>> the
>>>>>> book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm=20
>>>>>> instead
>>>>>> seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this
> =
>>> one:
>>>> Mike
>>>>>> Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some
>> =
>>> 400
>>>>>> users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months
>> =
>>>
>>>>>> amongst
>>>>>> the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market
>> =
>>> of=20
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build
>> =
>>> their
>>>>>> clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into =
>>> investigating
>>>>>> making those people happy (particularly if the developer has =
>>> existing=20
>>>>>> code
>>>>>> that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the =
>>> PARIS
>>>>>> community that might make it more interesting to certain developers
>> =
>>> than
>>>>> raw
>>>>>> numbers might dictate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they =
>>> don't
>>>> have
>>>>>> a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and =
>>> buy.=20
>>>>>> Given
>>>>>> our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a =
>>> developer
>>>>> to
>>>>>> do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase
>> =
>>> a=20
>>>>>> PARIS
>>>>>> rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising
> a
>>>>>> developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being
>> =
>>> sure
>>>>> you
>>>>>> can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, =
>>> and=20
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us
> -
>> =
>>> then
>>>>>> IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to =
>>> them*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a =
>>> pre-assembled,
>>>>>> "turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig,
> =
>>> ready
>>>>> to
>>>>>> be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've=20
>>>>>> guessed
>>>>>> that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well,
> =
>>> you're
>>>>> a
>>>>>> good guesser :D).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing
>> =
>>> at
>>>> least
>>>>>> one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so =
>>> PARIS
>>>> can
>>>>>> be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this =
>>> "sorry,
>>>> we
>>>>>> didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll =
>>> settle for
>>>>>> whatever we can lay our hands on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>>>>>> contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to =
>>> volunteer
>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>>> the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that=20
>>>>>> received
>>>>>> the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and
>> =
>>> sent
>>>>> it
>>>>>> to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a =
>>> long-term
>>>>>> home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it=20
>>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't =
>>> even ask
>>>>>> what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost =
>>> and the
>>>>>> delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, =
>>> and he's
>>>>> a
>>>>>> name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are
> =
>>> some
>>>>>> commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for
>> =
>>> his.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer,=20
>>>>>> whoever
>>>>>> it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd =
>>> propose
>>>>>> setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let
>> =
>>> the
>>>>>> community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>>>>>> packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer =
>>> money"=20
>>>>>> costs
>>>>>> for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's
>> =
>>> just
>>>>> an
>>>>>> "assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support
>> =
>>> to
>>>> this
>>>>>> idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was =
>>> proposing
>>>> it
>>>>> to
>>>>>> go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for =
>>> components.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly
>> =
>>> worth
>>>>>> selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably =
>>> worth
>>>> more
>>>>>> than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very =
>>> exciting
>>>>>> developments if everything worked out well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's=20
>>>>>> gathering
>>>>>> dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices
> =
>>> anyway
>>>>> - a
>>>>>> component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or =
>>> even a
>>>>> full
>>>>>> rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development
>> =
>>> rig"
>>>>>> effort instead?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation
>> =
>>> to
>>>> a
>>>>>> community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we =
>>> see what
>>>>>> the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have
>> =
>>> a=20
>>>>>> single
>>>>>> EDS card.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my
>> =
>>> own,
>>>>> that
>>>>>> I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done.
> =
>>> Let me
>>>>>> know what you think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Kerry Galloway
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> =20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm not loaded with extra hardware =
>>> and I'm not=20
>>> totally into pushing</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>44.1 converters into the future either
>> =
>>> but I'd=20
>>> still make a donation to help</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the overall cause.</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Count me in. </FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> <DIV>"Edna" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com">edna@texomaonline.com</A>> =
>>> wrote in=20
>>> message <A=20
>>> =
>>> href=3D"news:483ad981@linux">news:483ad981@linux</A>...</DIV>+1<BR>"Gantt=
>>> =20
>>> Kushner" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:ganttmann@comcast.net">ganttmann@comcast.net</A>> =
>>> wrote in=20
>>> message <BR><A=20
>>> =
>>> href=3D"news:483aa591$1@linux">news:483aa591$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
>>> t; I=20
>>> don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if enough=20
>>> of<BR>> us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could=20
>>> probably make it<BR>> happen. Could we set up a PayPal =
>>> account=20
>>> to gather Paris development <BR>> funds?<BR>><BR>>=20
>>> Gantt<BR>><BR>> "Brian Milton" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:bcmilton@austin.rr.com">bcmilton@austin.rr.com</A>>=20
>>> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>I'm not really in the right financial =
>>> shape to=20
>>> donate a rig (Out of <BR>>>work/Starting<BR>>>a new =
>>> business), but=20
>>> I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris=20
>>> <BR>>>die-hards<BR>>>want to buy my rig at a reasonable =
>>> price and=20
>>> donate it for development let<BR>>>me know. I was about to =
>>> post it=20
>>> to the FS group. I'm looking through the<BR>>>old posts =
>>> now to=20
>>> figure out what it's worth.<BR>>><BR>>>Here's what I've =
>>> got in=20
>>> Austin,TX:<BR>>>All of these are in=20
>>> Black<BR>>><BR>>>MEC<BR>>>442<BR>>>(2)=20
>>> EDS<BR>>>8in card<BR>>>8out card<BR>>>ADAT=20
>>> card<BR>>>(2) C16<BR>>><BR>>>It's running Paris 3.0 =
>>> on an=20
>>> older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB RAM.<BR>> I<BR>>>was =
>>> going to=20
>>> re-purpose the PC for something else but would take offers<BR>>=20
>>> for<BR>>>it=20
>>> =
>>> too.<BR>>><BR>>>-Brian<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR=
>>>>>> Kerry=20
>>> Galloway <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:kg@kerrygalloway.com">kg@kerrygalloway.com</A>>=20
>>> wrote:<BR>>>>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit =
>>> longer=20
>>> until I had more<BR>>>info<BR>>>>to share, but it seems =
>>>
>>> particularly timely today.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Sorry this =
>>> is a bit=20
>>> long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm=20
>>> putting<BR>>>out<BR>>>>an appeal here, you should have =
>>> full=20
>>> access to my "source code" :D<BR>>>><BR>>>>As my =
>>> previous=20
>>> posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people =
>>> in<BR>>>>various=20
>>> places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've=20
>>> <BR>>>>talked<BR>>>>to many companies/developers. =
>>> Some names=20
>>> might surprise you. There are<BR>> very<BR>>>>interesting =
>>> avenues=20
>>> to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get=20
>>> there.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Development involving the PARIS =
>>> app=20
>>> itself (eg EDS plugins or the =
>>> <BR>>>>FaderWorks<BR>>>>PDC=20
>>> advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet=20
>>> and<BR>>>>Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts =
>>> elsewhere=20
>>> - I'm<BR>>>>investigating what alternatives might exist for =
>>> the PARIS=20
>>> hardware<BR>>>>independent of the PARIS app. This involves=20
>>> investigating things like <BR>>>>what<BR>>>>driver =
>>> options=20
>>> could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps=20
>>> might<BR>>>>feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; =
>>> and how=20
>>> we might obtain<BR>>>>the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs =
>>> into=20
>>> another app to "future <BR>>>>proof"<BR>>>>our =
>>> access to our=20
>>> "back catalogs".<BR>>>><BR>>>>I can only promise I'm =
>>> working=20
>>> hard in the background and have devoted<BR>> =
>>> many<BR>>>>hours=20
>>> already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of=20
>>> others,<BR>>>but<BR>>>>I see the bulk of items on my =
>>> list as=20
>>> more "to do" items than a "wish =
>>> <BR>>>>list",<BR>>>>and if=20
>>> two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at=20
>>> least<BR>>>one<BR>>>>of the developments (safeguarding =
>>> our=20
>>> ppj/pafs) as both "fairly =
>>> likely"<BR>>>and<BR>>>>"within a=20
>>> reasonably short timeframe".<BR>>>><BR>>>>BTW, I =
>>> have=20
>>> already rejected some promising solutions that involved=20
>>> <BR>>>>asking<BR>>>>the community for significant =
>>> sums of=20
>>> money for development specific =
>>> only<BR>>>to<BR>>>>PARIS. I've=20
>>> talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with=20
>>> great<BR>>>>track records and real good will who have offered =
>>> me=20
>>> every break in the<BR>>>>book, but I don't propose taking the =
>>>
>>> community down that road. I'm =
>>> <BR>>>>instead<BR>>>>seeking=20
>>> developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one:<BR>> =
>>>
>>> Mike<BR>>>>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS =
>>>
>>> userbase as some 400<BR>>>>users worldwide (I have recorded =
>>> over 40=20
>>> within the last few months <BR>>>>amongst<BR>>>>the =
>>> subset=20
>>> of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of=20
>>> <BR>>>>that<BR>>>>size is not insignificant for a =
>>> smaller=20
>>> developer looking to build their<BR>>>>clientele - it can be =
>>> worth=20
>>> them throwing some effort into investigating<BR>>>>making =
>>> those=20
>>> people happy (particularly if the developer has existing=20
>>> <BR>>>>code<BR>>>>that might merely need tweaking). =
>>> And=20
>>> there are aspects of the PARIS<BR>>>>community that might =
>>> make it=20
>>> more interesting to certain developers=20
>>> than<BR>>>raw<BR>>>>numbers might=20
>>> =
>>> dictate.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>><=
>>> BR>>>>Here's=20
>>> the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community=20
>>> about.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Even the most interested =
>>> developers=20
>>> can't do much for us if they don't<BR>> have<BR>>>>a PARIS =
>>> rig -=20
>>> and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy.=20
>>> <BR>>>>Given<BR>>>>our small size as a market, if we =
>>> as a=20
>>> community are asking a developer<BR>>>to<BR>>>>do =
>>> things for=20
>>> us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a=20
>>> <BR>>>>PARIS<BR>>>>rig so you can help us out" isn't =
>>> gonna=20
>>> fly. Neither is promising a<BR>>>>developer you'll get them =
>>> access to=20
>>> a rig to test on without being sure<BR>>>you<BR>>>>can =
>>> deliver.=20
>>> If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and=20
>>> <BR>>>>those<BR>>>>developers have to have a PARIS =
>>> rig=20
>>> available in order to help us - then<BR>>>>IMHO it's *in the=20
>>> community's best interest to provide one to=20
>>> =
>>> them*.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>><BR=
>>>>>>> So=20
>>> this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a=20
>>> pre-assembled,<BR>>>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a =
>>> computer) PARIS=20
>>> development rig, ready<BR>>>to<BR>>>>be shipped to =
>>> developers=20
>>> that could do it the most good (if you've=20
>>> <BR>>>>guessed<BR>>>>that I have destinations in =
>>> mind to=20
>>> offer this to already - well, you're<BR>>>a<BR>>>>good =
>>> guesser=20
>>> :D).<BR>>>><BR>>>>Ideally this rig would be a =
>>> multi-card,=20
>>> multi-MEC system containing at<BR>> least<BR>>>>one of =
>>> every=20
>>> existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS<BR>>=20
>>> can<BR>>>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No =
>>> more of=20
>>> this "sorry,<BR>> we<BR>>>>didn't have a full system to =
>>> test"=20
>>> thing. But as a start we'll settle for<BR>>>>whatever we can =
>>> lay our=20
>>> hands on.<BR>>>><BR>>>>In addition we'd need a PARIS =
>>>
>>> community member who lives in the 48<BR>>>>contiguous states =
>>> (to keep=20
>>> shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer<BR>>=20
>>> to<BR>>>be<BR>>>>the occasional "depot/shipping =
>>> person". They'd=20
>>> be the person that <BR>>>>received<BR>>>>the donated =
>>>
>>> components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and=20
>>> sent<BR>>>it<BR>>>>to where it needed to go, and if =
>>> needed=20
>>> (although if it finds a long-term<BR>>>>home fast, that's =
>>> good news=20
>>> for us) receive it back and ship it=20
>>> <BR>>>>elsewhere.<BR>>>><BR>>>>BTW, I'd do =
>>> it=20
>>> myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even =
>>> ask<BR>>>>what=20
>>> international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and=20
>>> the<BR>>>>delays. I've already had the first potential =
>>> volunteer=20
>>> interest, and he's<BR>>>a<BR>>>>name you've all known a =
>>> long=20
>>> time, but we're clear that there are some<BR>>>>commitments I =
>>> need to=20
>>> obtain from others before we can ask him for=20
>>> his.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not =
>>> proposing=20
>>> we stick that volunteer, <BR>>>>whoever<BR>>>>it =
>>> winds up=20
>>> being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd=20
>>> propose<BR>>>>setting up something like a PayPal account for =
>>> them in=20
>>> order to let the<BR>>>>community chip in a few bucks apiece =
>>> to cover=20
>>> any reasonable<BR>>>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - =
>>> these are=20
>>> trivial "beer money" <BR>>>>costs<BR>>>>for a =
>>> community to=20
>>> absorb, rather than a lump for an=20
>>> =
>>> individual.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>&g=
>>> t;<BR>>>>As=20
>>> mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's=20
>>> just<BR>>>an<BR>>>>"assessment" call to determine if =
>>> folks=20
>>> would give concrete support to<BR>> this<BR>>>>idea. I'd =
>>> put=20
>>> everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing<BR>>=20
>>> it<BR>>>to<BR>>>>go (and of course *why*) when I made =
>>> the=20
>>> actual call for components.<BR>>>><BR>>>>PARIS =
>>> hardware=20
>>> prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly=20
>>> worth<BR>>>>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in =
>>> it are=20
>>> probably worth<BR>> more<BR>>>>than that as salvage!), and =
>>> there's=20
>>> the possibility of very exciting<BR>>>>developments if =
>>> everything=20
>>> worked out well.<BR>>>><BR>>>>So if you're =
>>> contemplating=20
>>> blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's=20
>>> <BR>>>>gathering<BR>>>>dust, make me an offer, just =
>>> get it=20
>>> out of here" fire-sale prices anyway<BR>>>- =
>>> a<BR>>>>component=20
>>> or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even=20
>>> a<BR>>>full<BR>>>>rig - would you consider donating =
>>> components=20
>>> to such a "development rig"<BR>>>>effort=20
>>> instead?<BR>>>><BR>>>>In addition, would there be =
>>> any=20
>>> interest in making a small donation to<BR>> =
>>> a<BR>>>>community fund=20
>>> to purchase any components we're missing after we see =
>>> what<BR>>>>the=20
>>> donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a=20
>>> <BR>>>>single<BR>>>>EDS=20
>>> card.<BR>>>><BR>>>>I've got no promises to give in =
>>> exchange=20
>>> at this moment, except my own,<BR>>>that<BR>>>>I'm =
>>> working on=20
>>> things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let =
>>> me<BR>>>>know=20
>>> what you think.<BR>>>><BR>>>>- Kerry=20
>>> Galloway<BR>>>><BR>>><BR>> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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