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the last paris app we need? [message #101890]

Sun, 04 January 2009 09:23

derek

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Registered: July 2005

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hey guys :-)

after seeing how much work is put into the paris project
again lately (hats off to mike) ive been thinking about this
quite a bit and until now dont quite know how to say it without
it coming accross a bit offensive. but since i still am not sure
how to put it, i told myself, i might as well just go ahead
and just put this excuse in advance on top of it ;-) so here goes:

with so much manpower going into paris, an essentially dead
platform, one has to wonder, wouldnt it be smarter to
put this manpower into something thats, how shall i put it,
more essential in practical use? exactly how many people are
still using paris? is it even one hundred?

ive been one of the most enthousiastic supporters of the
platform but for the life of me, i could not imagine ever
going back to it after years in the world of full midi and video
integration, VSTI support, total and complete latency compensation,
sample precise editing, rendering that actually works, compability, etc yada
yada. no amount of DP4 algorithm ports
is going to change that, and i would assume that many if not
most ex-paris users feel that way.

so if you operate on this basic assumption (just follow me here
for the sake of the argument), would it not make much more sense
to focus on something entirely different?
like, i would imagine the biggest hit among ex-paris users
and soon-to-be-ex-paris users would be a conversion application
that reads paris projects, just the most basic stuff
like files in use and position info and would convert
that into...dunno...an OMF maybe? maybe too complicated
(OMFs crossplatform compability seems to be a constantly moving
target and suck big time)..maybe just a bunch of rendered
continous wave files that get their data from the project file
and the associated pafs?

or maybe a completely different approach, a "hardware driver"
that fools the paris software into believing a fully functioning
EDS card with attached audio interface is present - so that
you can launch paris 3.0 on any computer and use the paris
software to convert projects into OMFs. you know, just a
dead end that on the other end pretends to the software
whatever the software asks for during boot to actually
get to the project window. no actual audio support, just
a fake hardware so that you can get to the software level
where you then could ressurrect your files.

i know suggesting something like this is kind of an insult to the work thats
currently being done (and that is exactly
what i would want to avoid), but can you see how that would
make a lot more sense to a lot more people?

to me, these days, the most important thing about paris
is the question of how i get past projects off that platform
whenever i need to work on them again. i still have a
working paris computer in the second control room but its
collecting dust, the system is slowly fading away as only
outdated pre-XP windows systems were able to do, and
the hardware side doesnt look to promising either.

and same thing about the effects: porting the awesome and
at times timeless effects from ensoniq effect history is
great - but why on earth do it for this outdated platform?
in the real world i know zero paris users that still use paris
(and i used to know a LOT), but i know lots and lots of
fans of the good old ensoniq stuff that would pay hard cash
for VST ports of some of the ensoniq algorithms.

not to mention that you would be able to use those effects
in paris then too, on modern computers probably in 50 times
more instances than on the EDS card, if you just take the
paris eq VST plugin as orientation (try to max out any current
machine by opening instances of that plugin - its more or less
impossible).

i feel like i have to state that again, i so much admire you
people who do all this, so please dont get these suggestions
wrong.

thanks for listening :-)
derek

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		the last paris app we need? By: derek on Sun, 04 January 2009 09:23
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: chuck duffy on Sun, 04 January 2009 10:48
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Ted Gerber on Sun, 04 January 2009 13:51
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: excelav on Sun, 04 January 2009 14:07
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Mon, 05 January 2009 03:37
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: TC on Sun, 04 January 2009 13:06
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Sun, 04 January 2009 17:04
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Ted Gerber on Sun, 04 January 2009 18:49
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Mon, 05 January 2009 03:15
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Ted Gerber on Tue, 06 January 2009 06:33
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Thu, 08 January 2009 07:35
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Gantt Kushner on Thu, 08 January 2009 07:55
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Thu, 08 January 2009 11:07
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Aaron Allen on Thu, 08 January 2009 17:05
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Ted Gerber on Thu, 08 January 2009 22:10
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Fri, 09 January 2009 12:29
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Ted Gerber on Fri, 09 January 2009 15:00
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: EK Sound on Fri, 09 January 2009 13:56
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Ted Gerber on Fri, 09 January 2009 15:32
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Fri, 09 January 2009 16:41
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: kerryg on Sun, 04 January 2009 18:29
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Mon, 05 January 2009 03:58
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Aaron Allen on Mon, 05 January 2009 06:25
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Rod Lincoln on Mon, 05 January 2009 20:36
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Thu, 08 January 2009 07:03
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Aaron Allen on Thu, 08 January 2009 06:50
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Thu, 08 January 2009 11:10
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Gantt Kushner on Thu, 08 January 2009 14:28
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Mike Audet on Thu, 08 January 2009 15:35
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Rod Lincoln on Thu, 08 January 2009 17:55
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Tom Bruhl on Thu, 08 January 2009 16:59
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Aaron Allen on Thu, 08 January 2009 17:03
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Fri, 09 January 2009 12:42
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: TC on Fri, 09 January 2009 11:49
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Chris Ludwig on Thu, 08 January 2009 14:28
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Fri, 09 January 2009 12:34
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: kerryg on Thu, 08 January 2009 08:37
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: excelav on Mon, 05 January 2009 12:08
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: excelav on Sun, 04 January 2009 20:24
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Erling on Mon, 05 January 2009 03:03
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: mike audet[1] on Sun, 04 January 2009 15:26
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Tom Bruhl on Sun, 04 January 2009 16:47
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Mon, 05 January 2009 04:02
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Deej [5] on Mon, 05 January 2009 16:12
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Don Nafe on Mon, 05 January 2009 15:11
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Deej [5] on Mon, 05 January 2009 17:09
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Deej [5] on Mon, 05 January 2009 17:21
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Ted Gerber on Mon, 05 January 2009 17:33
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Deej [5] on Sat, 10 January 2009 11:37
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: TC on Sat, 10 January 2009 11:05
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Deej [5] on Sat, 10 January 2009 12:32
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: TC on Sat, 10 January 2009 11:23
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Deej [5] on Sat, 10 January 2009 14:25
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: TC on Sat, 10 January 2009 19:11
		stands By: studiodog_99 on Mon, 12 January 2009 09:35
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Gantt Kushner on Sat, 10 January 2009 18:54
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Mon, 05 January 2009 03:31
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Aaron Allen on Mon, 05 January 2009 06:29
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Rod Lincoln on Mon, 05 January 2009 20:53
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Tom Bruhl on Tue, 06 January 2009 07:57
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Rod Lincoln on Tue, 06 January 2009 18:16
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Tom Bruhl on Tue, 06 January 2009 19:00
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Gantt Kushner on Sun, 04 January 2009 21:16
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Wayne on Sun, 04 January 2009 21:20
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Neil on Mon, 05 January 2009 07:44
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Mon, 05 January 2009 15:18
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Neil on Mon, 05 January 2009 20:54
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: kerryg on Mon, 05 January 2009 20:41
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Gantt Kushner on Tue, 06 January 2009 10:15
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: EK Sound on Tue, 06 January 2009 10:46
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Gantt Kushner on Tue, 06 January 2009 12:28
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: EK Sound on Tue, 06 January 2009 13:34
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: kerryg on Tue, 06 January 2009 19:06
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Gantt Kushner on Tue, 06 January 2009 21:21
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: kerryg on Tue, 06 January 2009 20:25
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Thu, 08 January 2009 07:06
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: excelav on Thu, 08 January 2009 20:51
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Fri, 09 January 2009 13:21
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: excelav on Fri, 09 January 2009 15:31
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Ted Gerber on Fri, 09 January 2009 16:40
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Fri, 09 January 2009 17:19
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: excelav on Fri, 09 January 2009 18:56
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Sun, 11 January 2009 13:18
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: excelav on Sun, 11 January 2009 17:40
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Mon, 12 January 2009 09:19
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Kim W on Wed, 14 January 2009 05:57
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: TC on Wed, 14 January 2009 12:08
		Re: the last paris app we need? - link By: TC on Wed, 14 January 2009 12:13
		Re: the last paris app we need? - link By: excelav on Wed, 14 January 2009 19:41
		Re: the last paris app we need? - link By: excelav on Wed, 14 January 2009 19:46
		Re: the last paris app we need? - link By: TC on Wed, 14 January 2009 22:57
		Re: the last paris app we need? - link By: kerryg on Wed, 14 January 2009 23:52
		Re: the last paris app we need? - link By: kerryg on Thu, 15 January 2009 00:05
		Re: the last paris app we need? - link By: TC on Thu, 15 January 2009 08:37
		Re: the last paris app we need? - link By: Aaron Allen on Wed, 14 January 2009 23:59
		Re: the last paris app we need? - link By: chuck duffy on Thu, 15 January 2009 05:22
		Re: the last paris app we need? - link By: derek on Thu, 15 January 2009 07:28
		Re: the last paris app we need? - link By: Deej [5] on Thu, 15 January 2009 17:49
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: kerryg on Wed, 14 January 2009 12:25
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: TC on Wed, 14 January 2009 13:03
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Erling on Wed, 14 January 2009 23:56
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: derek on Wed, 14 January 2009 16:17
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Gantt Kushner on Thu, 15 January 2009 09:32
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: rick on Fri, 16 January 2009 02:00
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Erling on Sat, 17 January 2009 00:08
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: rick on Sat, 17 January 2009 03:26
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Erling on Sat, 17 January 2009 03:52
		Re: the last paris app we need?-couple questions By: Nappy on Fri, 09 January 2009 17:00
		Re: the last paris app we need?-couple questions By: derek on Fri, 09 January 2009 17:25
		Re: the last paris app we need?-couple questions By: Nappy on Fri, 09 January 2009 18:29
		Re: the last paris app we need?-couple questions By: derek on Sun, 11 January 2009 11:40
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Neil on Fri, 09 January 2009 19:08
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: JeffH on Fri, 09 January 2009 18:11
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: excelav on Fri, 09 January 2009 20:06
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Neil on Fri, 09 January 2009 20:51
		Re: the last paris app we need? By: Wynona on Fri, 09 January 2009 03:01
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