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| Re: Aardsync [message #78270 is a reply to message #78257] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 16:50   |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
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Hey David,
I set Paris to word clock 44.1 and both 8 channel pre's to be slave @ 44.1.
The Aardsync has 3 word clock outs on it so I ran 3 seperate BNC cables,
one to each entity, and selected 44.1 on the Aardsync. When I enabled all
16 tracks, they snapped and poped like crazy. So I put the Aardsync back
in the case.
Then I set paris to internal and ran a BNC cable from it to the first 8 channel
pre and had nothing to run the second 8 channel pre. Obviously, 1-8 were
pop free and 9-16 poped like crazy.
Steve
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Detail the connections you used, and how you were connecting to Paris.
>
>David.
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>
>Steve Cox wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to know for sure that my Aardsync is outputting clock?
I fear
>> I have been ripped off. I had a New Years gig to record a group live with
>> Paris. I took the Paris and 2 Behringer 8 ch. pre's. I tried running all
>> three entities off of the Aardsync at 44.1.
>> My goodness.... snap crackle pop...Soooo I disconnected the Aardsync,
and
>> ran the first 8 ch. pre off of the Paris. Well at least those first 8
tracks
>> didn't snap and pop, but of course the 9-16 did, because it was running
off
>> of it's own.
>> Any ideas guys?
>> Steve
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| Re: Aardsync [message #78271 is a reply to message #78257] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 16:50 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
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Hey David,
I set Paris to word clock 44.1 and both 8 channel pre's to be slave @ 44.1.
The Aardsync has 3 word clock outs on it so I ran 3 seperate BNC cables,
one to each entity, and selected 44.1 on the Aardsync. When I enabled all
16 tracks, they snapped and poped like crazy. So I put the Aardsync back
in the case.
Then I set paris to internal and ran a BNC cable from it to the first 8 channel
pre and had nothing to run the second 8 channel pre. Obviously, 1-8 were
pop free and 9-16 poped like crazy.
Steve
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Detail the connections you used, and how you were connecting to Paris.
>
>David.
>
>
>Steve Cox wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to know for sure that my Aardsync is outputting clock?
I fear
>> I have been ripped off. I had a New Years gig to record a group live with
>> Paris. I took the Paris and 2 Behringer 8 ch. pre's. I tried running all
>> three entities off of the Aardsync at 44.1.
>> My goodness.... snap crackle pop...Soooo I disconnected the Aardsync,
and
>> ran the first 8 ch. pre off of the Paris. Well at least those first 8
tracks
>> didn't snap and pop, but of course the 9-16 did, because it was running
off
>> of it's own.
>> Any ideas guys?
>> Steve
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| Re: Aardsync [message #78273 is a reply to message #78271] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 17:57 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
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>Hey David,
>I set Paris to word clock 44.1 and both 8 channel pre's to be slave @ 44.1.
I ran light pipe from both pre's to the 2 adat cards.
>The Aardsync has 3 word clock outs on it so I ran 3 seperate BNC cables,
>one to each entity, and selected 44.1 on the Aardsync. When I enabled all
>16 tracks, they snapped and poped like crazy. So I put the Aardsync back
>in the case.
>Then I set paris to internal and ran a BNC cable from it to the first 8
channel
>pre and had nothing to run the second 8 channel pre. Obviously, 1-8 were
>pop free and 9-16 poped like crazy.
>Steve
>
>
>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>Detail the connections you used, and how you were connecting to Paris.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>
>>Steve Cox wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a way to know for sure that my Aardsync is outputting clock?
>I fear
>>> I have been ripped off. I had a New Years gig to record a group live
with
>>> Paris. I took the Paris and 2 Behringer 8 ch. pre's. I tried running
all
>>> three entities off of the Aardsync at 44.1.
>>> My goodness.... snap crackle pop...Soooo I disconnected the Aardsync,
>and
>>> ran the first 8 ch. pre off of the Paris. Well at least those first 8
>tracks
>>> didn't snap and pop, but of course the 9-16 did, because it was running
>off
>>> of it's own.
>>> Any ideas guys?
>>> Steve
>
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| Re: Aardsync [message #78285 is a reply to message #78284] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 20:04 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Forgot to mention....
1.) when you ran the 3 cables out of the word clock outs; were
they all the same length?
2.) are all the cables 75-ohm?
3.) does ANY of the stuff you're trying to clock require
workclock termination, and if so, were you not running it
terminated?
If the anwser to any of the above is "no", then there's your
likely problem, or at least the first place to throw in a fix.
Neil
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
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>>No. Because when I use the clock in Paris to run one of the 8 ch pre's
it
>>works beautifully, but as soon as I run it with the Aardsync, it's as if
>>the Aardsync wasn't even connected. I get snaps and pops through the roof.
>>What my original question is, How do I know that the Aardsync is indeed
>even
>>producing clock? It doesn't appear to be!
>>Steve
>
>Do you have any application that will give you a firm signal or
>indicator if it's being clocked & locked? Like CubaseSX, an RME
>card w/driver? Pulsar?
>
>the freebies like Ardour or ??? Do any of those have a timecode
>or wordclock lock-confirmation "light" or any such thing? If
>so, maybe download one & see if it's indeed working.
>
>It sounds to me as if it may not be, from what you describe.
>
>Neil
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| Re: Aardsync [message #78288 is a reply to message #78285] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 21:05 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
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The cables are not the same length and can't be because of the setup. Two
of the cables are 6 feet and 75 ohm. The one small cable that came with it
is two feet and 59ohm. However when I run the preamp off of the Paris, it
doesn't matter 75 ohm, 6 feet or 2 feet it runs flawlessly, but as soon as
I use the Aardsync, it's as if it not even plugged in. Also there is no BNC
out to terminate on the preamps. When you set the switch on the back to 44.1
slave, that puts termination on the preamp. But, this isn't a daisy chain
that you terminate the last one in the chain, it is three seperate runs.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>Forgot to mention....
>
>1.) when you ran the 3 cables out of the word clock outs; were
>they all the same length?
>
>2.) are all the cables 75-ohm?
>
>3.) does ANY of the stuff you're trying to clock require
>workclock termination, and if so, were you not running it
>terminated?
>
>If the anwser to any of the above is "no", then there's your
>likely problem, or at least the first place to throw in a fix.
>
>Neil
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>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>No. Because when I use the clock in Paris to run one of the 8 ch pre's
>it
>>>works beautifully, but as soon as I run it with the Aardsync, it's as
if
>>>the Aardsync wasn't even connected. I get snaps and pops through the roof.
>>>What my original question is, How do I know that the Aardsync is indeed
>>even
>>>producing clock? It doesn't appear to be!
>>>Steve
>>
>>Do you have any application that will give you a firm signal or
>>indicator if it's being clocked & locked? Like CubaseSX, an RME
>>card w/driver? Pulsar?
>>
>>the freebies like Ardour or ??? Do any of those have a timecode
>>or wordclock lock-confirmation "light" or any such thing? If
>>so, maybe download one & see if it's indeed working.
>>
>>It sounds to me as if it may not be, from what you describe.
>>
>>Neil
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| Re: Aardsync [message #78290 is a reply to message #78288] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 22:12 |
Nil
Messages: 245
Registered: March 2007
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Senior Member |
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"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
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>The cables are not the same length and can't be because of the setup. Two
>of the cables are 6 feet and 75 ohm. The one small cable that came with
it
>is two feet and 59ohm.
There's your problem, I betcha... two different sets of
resistance AND two different lengths. Contrary to what you just
said, they CAN be all the same length (and in fact, really
ought to be) if you're not diasy-chaining them... you simply
default to the longest length you need as the length for all
the cables. Right now the two-footers are bringing clock
data into their units at a third of the timing that the six-
footers are... the resistance difference adds a whole 'nuther
factor, too but even if that were the same, you've got the
units on the receiving end of the six-footers clocking sample
number "1", while the ones at the end of the two-footers are
already at sample number 14,700 (@ 44.1k samplerate).
Are you basically hearing like 3 clicks/pops per second,
roughly?
Get all 6-foot, 75-ohm cables & report back, do not under any
circumstances use 58/59-ohm cables (in my experience, anyway).
Neil
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| Re: Aardsync [message #78302 is a reply to message #78271] |
Sat, 13 January 2007 08:33 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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Hi Steve,
To test the Aardsync, use one of you 75 ohm cables and feed it to your
MEC. Set Paris to WC sync "after it has loaded a project". Press
play. If Paris plays fine, then the Sync box is working correctly.
If there is no sync, led's and meters will be going nuts.
Regarding your set-up.
You **MUST** use good quality **75 Ohm** BNC to BNC cables to make
this work. Home hifi video cables will not be reliable enough to use
for WC (not saying you were using them, just an example). As for Neils
comment to length, that isn't the problem, as I am using a mix of
cables here from 2' to 33' with no trouble. They ARE high quality
home made Canare cables with proper Canare crimp-on ends though, so I
know for sure I have good connections.
I am assuming that you are using adat I/O cards in this set-up, but
you didn't mention them. I would do this:
1) Re-connect all cabling using proper cables, one to each WC in from
the Sync box.
2) Apply a 75 Ohm BNC terminator to the WC out of the MEC.
2) Launch Paris normally and open a 44.1 project.
3) Once the project has loaded and will play, set Paris to External WC
Sync (if you are running XP it will take a minute for everything to
settle down).
4) Now turn on the outboard convertors.
Things should work fine at this point. Give it a try and let me know
how it works.
David.
Steve Cox wrote:
> Hey David,
> I set Paris to word clock 44.1 and both 8 channel pre's to be slave @ 44.1.
> The Aardsync has 3 word clock outs on it so I ran 3 seperate BNC cables,
> one to each entity, and selected 44.1 on the Aardsync. When I enabled all
> 16 tracks, they snapped and poped like crazy. So I put the Aardsync back
> in the case.
> Then I set paris to internal and ran a BNC cable from it to the first 8 channel
> pre and had nothing to run the second 8 channel pre. Obviously, 1-8 were
> pop free and 9-16 poped like crazy.
> Steve
>
>
> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Detail the connections you used, and how you were connecting to Paris.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>
>>Steve Cox wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Is there a way to know for sure that my Aardsync is outputting clock?
>
> I fear
>
>>>I have been ripped off. I had a New Years gig to record a group live with
>>>Paris. I took the Paris and 2 Behringer 8 ch. pre's. I tried running all
>>>three entities off of the Aardsync at 44.1.
>>>My goodness.... snap crackle pop...Soooo I disconnected the Aardsync,
>
> and
>
>>>ran the first 8 ch. pre off of the Paris. Well at least those first 8
>
> tracks
>
>>>didn't snap and pop, but of course the 9-16 did, because it was running
>
> off
>
>>>of it's own.
>>>Any ideas guys?
>>>Steve
>
>
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| Re: Aardsync [message #78309 is a reply to message #78302] |
Sat, 13 January 2007 16:50 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hello David,
I didn't know about terminating paris. I am not familiar with terminating
with a 75ohm terminator. Will just a BNC fitting with a 75 ohm resistor soldered
across it do it?
Steve
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Hi Steve,
>
>To test the Aardsync, use one of you 75 ohm cables and feed it to your
>MEC. Set Paris to WC sync "after it has loaded a project". Press
>play. If Paris plays fine, then the Sync box is working correctly.
>If there is no sync, led's and meters will be going nuts.
>
>Regarding your set-up.
>
>You **MUST** use good quality **75 Ohm** BNC to BNC cables to make
>this work. Home hifi video cables will not be reliable enough to use
>for WC (not saying you were using them, just an example). As for Neils
>comment to length, that isn't the problem, as I am using a mix of
>cables here from 2' to 33' with no trouble. They ARE high quality
>home made Canare cables with proper Canare crimp-on ends though, so I
>know for sure I have good connections.
>
>I am assuming that you are using adat I/O cards in this set-up, but
>you didn't mention them. I would do this:
>
>1) Re-connect all cabling using proper cables, one to each WC in from
>the Sync box.
>
>2) Apply a 75 Ohm BNC terminator to the WC out of the MEC.
>
>2) Launch Paris normally and open a 44.1 project.
>
>3) Once the project has loaded and will play, set Paris to External WC
>Sync (if you are running XP it will take a minute for everything to
>settle down).
>
>4) Now turn on the outboard convertors.
>
>Things should work fine at this point. Give it a try and let me know
>how it works.
>
>David.
>
>
>Steve Cox wrote:
>
>> Hey David,
>> I set Paris to word clock 44.1 and both 8 channel pre's to be slave @
44.1.
>> The Aardsync has 3 word clock outs on it so I ran 3 seperate BNC cables,
>> one to each entity, and selected 44.1 on the Aardsync. When I enabled
all
>> 16 tracks, they snapped and poped like crazy. So I put the Aardsync back
>> in the case.
>> Then I set paris to internal and ran a BNC cable from it to the first
8 channel
>> pre and had nothing to run the second 8 channel pre. Obviously, 1-8 were
>> pop free and 9-16 poped like crazy.
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Detail the connections you used, and how you were connecting to Paris.
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>
>>>Steve Cox wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is there a way to know for sure that my Aardsync is outputting clock?
>>
>> I fear
>>
>>>>I have been ripped off. I had a New Years gig to record a group live
with
>>>>Paris. I took the Paris and 2 Behringer 8 ch. pre's. I tried running
all
>>>>three entities off of the Aardsync at 44.1.
>>>>My goodness.... snap crackle pop...Soooo I disconnected the Aardsync,
>>
>> and
>>
>>>>ran the first 8 ch. pre off of the Paris. Well at least those first 8
>>
>> tracks
>>
>>>>didn't snap and pop, but of course the 9-16 did, because it was running
>>
>> off
>>
>>>>of it's own.
>>>>Any ideas guys?
>>>>Steve
>>
>>
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| Re: Aardsync [message #78384 is a reply to message #78309] |
Sun, 14 January 2007 20:48 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
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Senior Member |
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Yes, but try to get 1% resistors (preferably metal film) as
they are more accurate and will load the signal evenly
across the multiple lines.
David.
Steve Cox wrote:
> Hello David,
> I didn't know about terminating paris. I am not familiar with terminating
> with a 75ohm terminator. Will just a BNC fitting with a 75 ohm resistor soldered
> across it do it?
> Steve
>
>
> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi Steve,
>>
>>To test the Aardsync, use one of you 75 ohm cables and feed it to your
>>MEC. Set Paris to WC sync "after it has loaded a project". Press
>>play. If Paris plays fine, then the Sync box is working correctly.
>>If there is no sync, led's and meters will be going nuts.
>>
>>Regarding your set-up.
>>
>>You **MUST** use good quality **75 Ohm** BNC to BNC cables to make
>>this work. Home hifi video cables will not be reliable enough to use
>>for WC (not saying you were using them, just an example). As for Neils
>>comment to length, that isn't the problem, as I am using a mix of
>>cables here from 2' to 33' with no trouble. They ARE high quality
>>home made Canare cables with proper Canare crimp-on ends though, so I
>>know for sure I have good connections.
>>
>>I am assuming that you are using adat I/O cards in this set-up, but
>>you didn't mention them. I would do this:
>>
>>1) Re-connect all cabling using proper cables, one to each WC in from
>>the Sync box.
>>
>>2) Apply a 75 Ohm BNC terminator to the WC out of the MEC.
>>
>>2) Launch Paris normally and open a 44.1 project.
>>
>>3) Once the project has loaded and will play, set Paris to External WC
>>Sync (if you are running XP it will take a minute for everything to
>>settle down).
>>
>>4) Now turn on the outboard convertors.
>>
>>Things should work fine at this point. Give it a try and let me know
>>how it works.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>
>>Steve Cox wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hey David,
>>>I set Paris to word clock 44.1 and both 8 channel pre's to be slave @
>
> 44.1.
>
>>>The Aardsync has 3 word clock outs on it so I ran 3 seperate BNC cables,
>>>one to each entity, and selected 44.1 on the Aardsync. When I enabled
>
> all
>
>>>16 tracks, they snapped and poped like crazy. So I put the Aardsync back
>>>in the case.
>>>Then I set paris to internal and ran a BNC cable from it to the first
>
> 8 channel
>
>>>pre and had nothing to run the second 8 channel pre. Obviously, 1-8 were
>>>pop free and 9-16 poped like crazy.
>>>Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Detail the connections you used, and how you were connecting to Paris.
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Steve Cox wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Is there a way to know for sure that my Aardsync is outputting clock?
>>>
>>>I fear
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I have been ripped off. I had a New Years gig to record a group live
>
> with
>
>>>>>Paris. I took the Paris and 2 Behringer 8 ch. pre's. I tried running
>
> all
>
>>>>>three entities off of the Aardsync at 44.1.
>>>>>My goodness.... snap crackle pop...Soooo I disconnected the Aardsync,
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>ran the first 8 ch. pre off of the Paris. Well at least those first 8
>>>
>>>tracks
>>>
>>>
>>>>>didn't snap and pop, but of course the 9-16 did, because it was running
>>>
>>>off
>>>
>>>
>>>>>of it's own.
>>>>>Any ideas guys?
>>>>>Steve
>>>
>>>
>
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