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8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76954] Mon, 11 December 2006 19:50 Go to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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Noticed this today in the new Sweetwater catalog... looks like
a pretty good deal, appears to have internal summing to a
stereo output (see back panel pic) would be GREAT for something
like several toms you don't want to print to a separate track
for each mic...

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/8pre/
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76958 is a reply to message #76954] Tue, 12 December 2006 05:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John [1] is currently offline  John [1]
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That does look nice but how good are the Pres. I like the quote that he tested
it for 2 weeks and didn't have one problem. WOW !!!!! Maybe it has a
3 week warranty. kidding

I got 2 presonus digimax fs and they are only 8 each but it's worth looking
at too.

"Neil" <IUIO@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Noticed this today in the new Sweetwater catalog... looks like
>a pretty good deal, appears to have internal summing to a
>stereo output (see back panel pic) would be GREAT for something
>like several toms you don't want to print to a separate track
>for each mic...
>
>http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/8pre/
>
>
>
>
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76960 is a reply to message #76958] Tue, 12 December 2006 06:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>That does look nice but how good are the Pres. I like the quote that he
tested
>it for 2 weeks and didn't have one problem. WOW !!!!! Maybe it has a
>3 week warranty. kidding

LOL! True - maybe the reviewer is used to stuff breaking right
out of the box. I dunno how good the pres are - I've never
really heard anyone slamming MOTU stuff, though, so I
think it's probably safe to assume their stuff isn't crap.

Just throwing it out there for ya - looks like a handy product
for anyone who doesn't have a mixer & wants to run a bunch of
toms to two track or perhaps a multi-keyboard rig to two
channels for live use, since it has line-in's as well (this is
assuming the mixing can be done without any software that might
be accessible via the FW connection).

Neil
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76961 is a reply to message #76960] Tue, 12 December 2006 07:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John [1] is currently offline  John [1]
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Gimmie, I want to try one.
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76962 is a reply to message #76961] Tue, 12 December 2006 07:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John [1] is currently offline  John [1]
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Just to be clear though the 16 ins are through firewire and NOT through the
8 ins in the back. Right ?

"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>Gimmie, I want to try one.
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76964 is a reply to message #76962] Tue, 12 December 2006 09:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>Just to be clear though the 16 ins are through firewire and NOT through
the
>8 ins in the back. Right ?

I have no idea - you'd probably have to call your favorite MOTU
dealer & inquire.

(although I don't see how you could get 16 total in's with only
8 physical inputs)

Neil
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76965 is a reply to message #76954] Tue, 12 December 2006 09:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gary Flanigan is currently offline  Gary Flanigan
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"Neil" <IUIO@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Noticed this today in the new Sweetwater catalog... looks like
>a pretty good deal, appears to have internal summing to a
>stereo output (see back panel pic) would be GREAT for something
>like several toms you don't want to print to a separate track
>for each mic...

The deluxe version of this would be the API 3124 with the mixer built in.
I had one and it was a great sounding piece. Obvioulsy not in the same
world price-wise.
>
>http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/8pre/
>
>
>
>
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76968 is a reply to message #76964] Tue, 12 December 2006 09:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tony Benson is currently offline  Tony Benson   UNITED STATES
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Lightpipe! 8 mic, line, instrument inputs, 8 lightpipe inputs, 8 lightpipe
outputs, stereo line outputs plus headphone out. It also acts as an 8 analog
input to 8 lightpipe output converter. It looks like an 828MkII sans the
SPDIF plus six more mic pre's. The pre's on my 828MkII are all around
decent, clean, flat pre's. Not stellar by any means, but not crap either.
Here's more detailed info if anyone's interested.

http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/

Tony



"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:457ed87d$1@linux...
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>Just to be clear though the 16 ins are through firewire and NOT through
> the
>>8 ins in the back. Right ?
>
> I have no idea - you'd probably have to call your favorite MOTU
> dealer & inquire.
>
> (although I don't see how you could get 16 total in's with only
> 8 physical inputs)
>
> Neil
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76970 is a reply to message #76968] Tue, 12 December 2006 09:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tony Benson is currently offline  Tony Benson   UNITED STATES
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It's also got two sets of lightpipe for up to 8 channels at 96KHz. That's
kind of cool.

Tony


"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:457ee87c$1@linux...
> Lightpipe! 8 mic, line, instrument inputs, 8 lightpipe inputs, 8
> lightpipe outputs, stereo line outputs plus headphone out. It also acts as
> an 8 analog input to 8 lightpipe output converter. It looks like an
> 828MkII sans the SPDIF plus six more mic pre's. The pre's on my 828MkII
> are all around decent, clean, flat pre's. Not stellar by any means, but
> not crap either. Here's more detailed info if anyone's interested.
>
> http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:457ed87d$1@linux...
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Just to be clear though the 16 ins are through firewire and NOT through
>> the
>>>8 ins in the back. Right ?
>>
>> I have no idea - you'd probably have to call your favorite MOTU
>> dealer & inquire.
>>
>> (although I don't see how you could get 16 total in's with only
>> 8 physical inputs)
>>
>> Neil
>
>
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76971 is a reply to message #76970] Tue, 12 December 2006 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dang, I didn't notice that... that IS pretty cool!

Anyone ever use MOTU pres? Are they decent?

Neil



"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>It's also got two sets of lightpipe for up to 8 channels at 96KHz. That's

>kind of cool.
>
>Tony
>
>
>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>news:457ee87c$1@linux...
>> Lightpipe! 8 mic, line, instrument inputs, 8 lightpipe inputs, 8
>> lightpipe outputs, stereo line outputs plus headphone out. It also acts
as
>> an 8 analog input to 8 lightpipe output converter. It looks like an
>> 828MkII sans the SPDIF plus six more mic pre's. The pre's on my 828MkII

>> are all around decent, clean, flat pre's. Not stellar by any means, but

>> not crap either. Here's more detailed info if anyone's interested.
>>
>> http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:457ed87d$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Just to be clear though the 16 ins are through firewire and NOT through
>>> the
>>>>8 ins in the back. Right ?
>>>
>>> I have no idea - you'd probably have to call your favorite MOTU
>>> dealer & inquire.
>>>
>>> (although I don't see how you could get 16 total in's with only
>>> 8 physical inputs)
>>>
>>> Neil
>>
>>
>
>
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76972 is a reply to message #76971] Tue, 12 December 2006 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tony Benson is currently offline  Tony Benson   UNITED STATES
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Well, like I said, the pre's on my 828MkII are decent. They're not Gracie,
True Systems or Great River clean, but they're not junk either. Currently, I
use them for my drum overheads, percussion, acoustic guitar, etc. I don't
have a large collection of pre's and the others I have are all more
"coloring". Assuming the pre's in this unit are at least equal or better,
I'd say they be fine for a general, neutral sound. I have heard that MOTU
was using some marketing hype and might be padding their gain specs, so you
might want to investigate that if you want to use this pre with ribbon or
other low output mics. I've never had any gain problems with my 828, but I'm
only using the standard dynamic and condenser mics.

Tony


"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:457eebbb$1@linux...
>
> Dang, I didn't notice that... that IS pretty cool!
>
> Anyone ever use MOTU pres? Are they decent?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>It's also got two sets of lightpipe for up to 8 channels at 96KHz. That's
>
>>kind of cool.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>news:457ee87c$1@linux...
>>> Lightpipe! 8 mic, line, instrument inputs, 8 lightpipe inputs, 8
>>> lightpipe outputs, stereo line outputs plus headphone out. It also acts
> as
>>> an 8 analog input to 8 lightpipe output converter. It looks like an
>>> 828MkII sans the SPDIF plus six more mic pre's. The pre's on my 828MkII
>
>>> are all around decent, clean, flat pre's. Not stellar by any means, but
>
>>> not crap either. Here's more detailed info if anyone's interested.
>>>
>>> http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:457ed87d$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Just to be clear though the 16 ins are through firewire and NOT through
>>>> the
>>>>>8 ins in the back. Right ?
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea - you'd probably have to call your favorite MOTU
>>>> dealer & inquire.
>>>>
>>>> (although I don't see how you could get 16 total in's with only
>>>> 8 physical inputs)
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76973 is a reply to message #76971] Tue, 12 December 2006 11:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jamie K is currently offline  Jamie K   UNITED STATES
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The preamps on my MOTU 828MII seem clean and reasonably transparent.
Also, the box has been very dependable and MOTU's driver updates for my
system (MacOSX) have been timely. Recommended.

Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com


Neil wrote:
> Dang, I didn't notice that... that IS pretty cool!
>
> Anyone ever use MOTU pres? Are they decent?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>> It's also got two sets of lightpipe for up to 8 channels at 96KHz. That's
>
>> kind of cool.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>> news:457ee87c$1@linux...
>>> Lightpipe! 8 mic, line, instrument inputs, 8 lightpipe inputs, 8
>>> lightpipe outputs, stereo line outputs plus headphone out. It also acts
> as
>>> an 8 analog input to 8 lightpipe output converter. It looks like an
>>> 828MkII sans the SPDIF plus six more mic pre's. The pre's on my 828MkII
>
>>> are all around decent, clean, flat pre's. Not stellar by any means, but
>
>>> not crap either. Here's more detailed info if anyone's interested.
>>>
>>> http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:457ed87d$1@linux...
>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>> Just to be clear though the 16 ins are through firewire and NOT through
>>>> the
>>>>> 8 ins in the back. Right ?
>>>> I have no idea - you'd probably have to call your favorite MOTU
>>>> dealer & inquire.
>>>>
>>>> (although I don't see how you could get 16 total in's with only
>>>> 8 physical inputs)
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>
>>
>
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76974 is a reply to message #76972] Tue, 12 December 2006 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tony Benson is currently offline  Tony Benson   UNITED STATES
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Sorry, that would be "Grace" not Gracie. I guess I have a George Burns
complex.?

Tony

"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:457ef177@linux...
> Well, like I said, the pre's on my 828MkII are decent. They're not Gracie,
> True Systems or Great River clean, but they're not junk either. Currently,
> I use them for my drum overheads, percussion, acoustic guitar, etc. I
> don't have a large collection of pre's and the others I have are all more
> "coloring". Assuming the pre's in this unit are at least equal or better,
> I'd say they be fine for a general, neutral sound. I have heard that MOTU
> was using some marketing hype and might be padding their gain specs, so
> you might want to investigate that if you want to use this pre with ribbon
> or other low output mics. I've never had any gain problems with my 828,
> but I'm only using the standard dynamic and condenser mics.
>
> Tony
>
>
> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:457eebbb$1@linux...
>>
>> Dang, I didn't notice that... that IS pretty cool!
>>
>> Anyone ever use MOTU pres? Are they decent?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>>It's also got two sets of lightpipe for up to 8 channels at 96KHz. That's
>>
>>>kind of cool.
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>news:457ee87c$1@linux...
>>>> Lightpipe! 8 mic, line, instrument inputs, 8 lightpipe inputs, 8
>>>> lightpipe outputs, stereo line outputs plus headphone out. It also acts
>> as
>>>> an 8 analog input to 8 lightpipe output converter. It looks like an
>>>> 828MkII sans the SPDIF plus six more mic pre's. The pre's on my 828MkII
>>
>>>> are all around decent, clean, flat pre's. Not stellar by any means, but
>>
>>>> not crap either. Here's more detailed info if anyone's interested.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/8pre/
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:457ed87d$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just to be clear though the 16 ins are through firewire and NOT
>>>>>>through
>>>>> the
>>>>>>8 ins in the back. Right ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea - you'd probably have to call your favorite MOTU
>>>>> dealer & inquire.
>>>>>
>>>>> (although I don't see how you could get 16 total in's with only
>>>>> 8 physical inputs)
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76975 is a reply to message #76954] Tue, 12 December 2006 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here are some competing products you guys should look at. The question is
can these products be used in stand alone mode as a mic pre amp. There was
some talk about the Focusrite being able to be used in stand alone mode.
The Alesis is the least expensive and also gives you a turntable in put
with a ground. All of these products have 8 mic pres and 16 Adat light pipe
I/Os, the MOTU only has 8. By the way, they are all using the same TC chip
set for the firewire. I expect TC electronic to come out with their own
26 I/O box, maybe at the NAMM show.

http://www.focusrite.com/product/saffire_pro_26_i_o/

http://presonus.com/firestudio.html

http://alesis.com/product.php?id=96

James


"Neil" <IUIO@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Noticed this today in the new Sweetwater catalog... looks like
>a pretty good deal, appears to have internal summing to a
>stereo output (see back panel pic) would be GREAT for something
>like several toms you don't want to print to a separate track
>for each mic...
>
>http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/8pre/
>
>
>
>
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #76986 is a reply to message #76975] Wed, 13 December 2006 06:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Ludwig is currently offline  Chris Ludwig   UNITED STATES
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HI James,
The focusrite sounds pretty darn good. Sadly the Presonus sounds
so-so.The headphone out on the Presonus sounds awful. Not sure if I
would trust anything from the curretn Aleisis. I haven't had any
customers have good luck with any of their compter recording stuff so far.
The Presonus has some MOTU/RME style routing but it is so limited that I
don't think they should have bothered. The Focusrite doesn't have any
routing.
The Focusrite will actully buss power (don't know how they managed that).

Chris



James McCloskey wrote:

>Here are some competing products you guys should look at. The question is
>can these products be used in stand alone mode as a mic pre amp. There was
>some talk about the Focusrite being able to be used in stand alone mode.
> The Alesis is the least expensive and also gives you a turntable in put
>with a ground. All of these products have 8 mic pres and 16 Adat light pipe
>I/Os, the MOTU only has 8. By the way, they are all using the same TC chip
>set for the firewire. I expect TC electronic to come out with their own
>26 I/O box, maybe at the NAMM show.
>
>http://www.focusrite.com/product/saffire_pro_26_i_o/
>
>http://presonus.com/firestudio.html
>
>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=96
>
>James
>
>
>"Neil" <IUIO@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Noticed this today in the new Sweetwater catalog... looks like
>>a pretty good deal, appears to have internal summing to a
>>stereo output (see back panel pic) would be GREAT for something
>>like several toms you don't want to print to a separate track
>>for each mic...
>>
>>http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/8pre/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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ADK
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www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
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Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #77011 is a reply to message #76986] Wed, 13 December 2006 17:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Graham Duncan is currently offline  Graham Duncan   
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Chris,

Have you heard the TC Konnekt 24D? I'm curious about how you can't route
anything on the Focusrite unit -- does it have a mixer/submixer control panel
at all? And what about the M-Audio Light Bridge? Does it have routing like
the RME Digiface?

Thanks,

Graham

Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI James,
>The focusrite sounds pretty darn good. Sadly the Presonus sounds
>so-so.The headphone out on the Presonus sounds awful. Not sure if I
>would trust anything from the curretn Aleisis. I haven't had any
>customers have good luck with any of their compter recording stuff so far.
>The Presonus has some MOTU/RME style routing but it is so limited that I

>don't think they should have bothered. The Focusrite doesn't have any
>routing.
>The Focusrite will actully buss power (don't know how they managed that).
Re: 8-Channel mic pre with summing for $550 [message #77017 is a reply to message #77011] Wed, 13 December 2006 20:27 Go to previous message
brandon[2] is currently offline  brandon[2]
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Wow...what a coincedence you guys are talking about this.
I am trying to work a trade with Morgan on one right now.
I saw the ad for the 8pre on MIX Magazine.
Looks great for my needs.
The 8 ADAT lightpipe outs should interface
with the PARIS ADAT card correct?
I am just looking for more mic pres for drumset micing, etc..

Brandon







"Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>
>Chris,
>
>Have you heard the TC Konnekt 24D? I'm curious about how you can't route
>anything on the Focusrite unit -- does it have a mixer/submixer control
panel
>at all? And what about the M-Audio Light Bridge? Does it have routing
like
>the RME Digiface?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Graham
>
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>HI James,
>>The focusrite sounds pretty darn good. Sadly the Presonus sounds
>>so-so.The headphone out on the Presonus sounds awful. Not sure if I
>>would trust anything from the curretn Aleisis. I haven't had any
>>customers have good luck with any of their compter recording stuff so far.
>>The Presonus has some MOTU/RME style routing but it is so limited that
I
>
>>don't think they should have bothered. The Focusrite doesn't have any
>>routing.
>>The Focusrite will actully buss power (don't know how they managed that).
>
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