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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96917 is a reply to message #96914] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 17:22   |
excelav
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Some of the MOTU products are expandable like the 828s. I believe I read
some where, that another companies FW interfaces are expandable???
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Which?
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I think this Hardware is "Married" to Cubase 4 . If you look gain at the
>>video
>>>2/3 (2:39-beyond) , they go into great detail how this units "Treats"
Cubase
>>>and the Hardware as ONE. Meaning, Cubase is just an "Extension" of the
>unit.
>>>ALso, meaning, that this unit must have a big piece of Cubase's software
>>>"already" Built-In...!! That's how they can acheive "No -Latency" and
do
>>>all that clever Monitoring and even record the Builtin FX while monitoring..
>>>Sweet..
>>>
>>>I think Yammy & Steiny "re-thought" the Native missing link(Latency) equation,
>>>with what seems to be a quasi DSP meets Software .Already built-in the
>units..
>>>
>>>
>>>I have admit, having the ability to link 3 of these babys has me geeked!!
>>>Because, Yammy & Stein are using Intelligent Firewire called M-Lan.. No
>>other
>>>Firewire interface can be daisy chained using the normal Firewire Protocol..
>>>
>>
>>LaMont, I believe this is incorrect, there are other fireWire interfaces
>>that are chain-able.
>>
>>>What's really interesting is that this is only the "First' Product from
>>this
>>>Marriage. We can can probably bet, that more products like their Sweet
>N12
>>>Mixer/controller is on the horizon. As it stands, this is a great first
>>step..
>>>
>>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>Yeah, I was a little surprised no one asked the question about how
>>>>exactly they achieved no latency at the end when they asked for
>>>>questions. How do they do that I wonder? He specifically said all the
>
>>>>Cubase channels stuff would be no latency.
>>>>
>>>>If they have that, then this has truly lived up to what I hoped for from
>>>
>>>>the merger. I will say this: Yamaha is overall the finest and most
>>>>comprehensive large music manufacturer and their products always sound
>>
>>>>good. Since i have used Cubase from the early Atari version in '88 or
>
>>>>'89, I am a pretty big fan of Steiny too.
>>>>
>>>>BTW he did say you could cascade 3 units, and he said they are USB, not
>>>
>>>>firewire.
>>>>
>>>>Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:C40220B7.131DC%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>> I only watched part due to time constraints so I didn't catch that
>(i.e.
>>>I
>>>>>> could tell early on there was nothing new here).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes of course latency is *effectively* "zero" for the builtin dsp
(in
>>>and
>>>>>> out of the onboard mixer), but not in and out of the native system.
>>
>>>>>> Nothing
>>>>>> different from what Totalmix, Cuemix, Soundscape and TDM do, and while
>>>it
>>>>>> may be a few nanoseconds faster than others, it's still not *really*
>>>>>> 0.00000ns.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not what I took away from what he was saying. Check out the
video
>>>
>>>>> again when you get time dude, I think you may have missed the whole
>reason
>>>
>>>>> why I'd choose this system if I dumped Paris. What I didn't hear though
>>>was
>>>>> if I could stack these units, but I'm guessing not because of how fast
>>>they
>>>>> simply would have to be to be no latency units.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course we all know absolute zero is impossible without time travel
>>>;-)
>>>>>> There is always at least a few nanoseconds for gate setup/hold times
>>>in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> converters, and in the dsp chips, etc, so regardless of "zero" or
"near
>>>>>> zero" latency claims, they are all lower than most people care about
>>>since
>>>>>> it's hardware based routing, rather than latent software routing (which
>>>>>> actually could be nearly as fast if the OS were optimized for it -
>i.e.
>>>>>> systems like Radar, etc).
>>>>>
>>>>> very true, and what I wanted to hear about. Actual convertor to convertor
>>>
>>>>> latency cannot possibly be zero/none. Even Paris is hitting 1.5 mS
>end
>>>to
>>>>> end. And I have no problems living with that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Marketing.... it's all marketing.... in reality, every single DAW
>on
>>>the
>>>>>> planet adheres to the same physical limitations - they just use different
>>>>>> packaging and emphasis of hardware vs. software. Good try Steiny/Yamaha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/16/08 1:49 AM, in article 47dcc2fd$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric, they are stating 'No' Latency as in Nada..zilch..Nothing..
>>hey
>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>> this at least 5 times. They even critisize other companies claim
of
>>>"near
>>>>>>> zero " latency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look at the video again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/15/08 10:50 PM, in article 47dcaa29@linux, "Aaron Allen"
>>>>>>>> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> semi-pro/pro work because of the latency they can't seem to lick.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steiny
>>>>>>>>> apparantly has beat that now with the Yammy interface.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How so? Was there mention of lower latencies I didn't see?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's a firewire interface just like the Fireface, Firepod, etc,
and
>>>
>>>>>>>> firewire
>>>>>>>> is inherently limited due to the extra buffering overhead. I can't
>>>see
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> new Steinberg interface running at any lower latency than the Fireface,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> if they've beat that limit, kudos to Yamaha.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So far, imho RME seems to lead the low latency race overall with
>ASIO
>>>>>>>> drivers. Imho, until operating systems drop the consumer bloat
war
>>>and
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> down to really running lean and mean with true kernel level audio
>>
>>>>>>>> drivers
>>>>>>>> (not the facade of core audio), we may never see lower than 32 samples,
>>>>>>>> unless Intel multiplies the number of cores and general buss/memory
>>>>>>>> processing exponentially to outpace the growing OS demands.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still have to wonder what got us to the point that an OS had to
do
>>>
>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>> more than boot and access the hardware.... but we've had that discussion
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> few times already. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96919 is a reply to message #96914] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 16:28 |
Dedric Terry
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On 3/16/08 5:45 PM, in article 47dda2fd$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Which?
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> LaMont, I believe this is incorrect, there are other fireWire interfaces
>> that are chain-able.
>>
RME Fireface for one - it has a second FW400 port for running multiple units
in parallel (FW800 connection to the PC/Mac side required).
From the ad blurbs it says the dsp is available in Cubase - which could be
simply like other firewire dsp boxes (Powercore, Duende, etc) that give you
VST access to onboard dsp plugins. That part could be tied to Cubase, but
though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST, and the
audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it.
I wouldn't go by a product demonstration as the final word. Wait until the
units hit the streets and/or more info shows up on it.
I also wouldn't sell your PCI/PCIe gear for a firewire solution... DJ. ;-)
Dedric
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96932 is a reply to message #96909] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 20:19 |
Bill L
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I have an i88x and it sounds really nice.
LaMont wrote:
> I think your points Are on Point! :)
>
> As for the sound of Yammy's converters, well let me just say this.. LAst
> year , a friend did a project on his then New Yammy DW 1600 portable digital
> 16 track recorder. Well, to the point, when we flew those tracks he recorded
> into Nuendo to mix, I was shocked. He used nothing but the 8 on board Pre's.
> To be honest, we could have mixed the songs on the unit. It was that good.
> Very wide , opn, big sound.
>
> Another example of Yammys converters can be heard on the AW4416. Whew!! Turns
> out that Yammy used their 0296 mixers technogoly and converters & pres..
> The Newer Aw2400 uses the DM-2000 Pres and convererters.. Heck! Have you
> every heard the Motif ES/XS Workstations Sampling section?? The 01x? , the
> I88x(Very in demand).. All these units have the same stellar converters..
> That to me.. Are some of the best on the Market. Even sweeter sounding than
> RME.. They are that good..
>
> So, you're not losing in the sound department, heck, you'd be gaining..
> "Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>> Heheh!!!!! OK I won't read that one.
>> ;o)
>> I think TC makes some kind of interface with monitoring and FX too don't
>
>> they?
>>
>> If Steinberg would lose the preamps (and the probable hefty charge for
>> them), this interface might be a bit more attractive.
>>
>> Also, I wondering about something. I can enable the functionality of both
>
>> the Frontier Tranzport and my Houston controller simultaneously. Now if
> the
>> Houston could be simultaneously be used for multiple fader moves and the
> the
>> new single fader Steiny controller could also be used for accessing a single
>
>> fader and the channel strip controls, this might end up being a nice
>> combination of functionalities.
>>
>> Three of these new interfaces (sans preamps) along with an RME ADI 192-DD
>
>> and an RME ADI 8-DD would give me 24 analog I/O and allow me to integrate
> my
>> outboard gear in a way similar to the way I'm doing now with a Multiface,
>
>> MADI/ADI 648, AES32 and a Pair of ADI 8-DD units.
>>
>> Basically I would be selling off the MADI/ADI-648, the Multiface, a pair
> of
>> ADI 8-DS units (Nuendo branded) and one of my ADI 8-DD units and replacing
>
>> them with 3 x of the Steiny 816 units and the CC121 controler and an RME
> ADI
>> 192-DD. the reason for the ADI 192-DD is because it will allow the sample
>
>> rate conversion of signals received via ADAT I/O whereas the ADI8-DD will
>
>> not.
>>
>> What would be the advantage of this?? Well, I could use the Steinberg
>> control room function without needing to drastically upgrade my current
>
>> computer to use the CR function with low latency with large
>> projects.........and this would allow me to sell the huge Furman HDS-16
>
>> system along with the 5 x HRM-16 remote mixers I'm using.
>>
>> I *might* come out of this on a break even or even with some money in my
>
>> pocket depending on the cost of the Steinberg hardware. Of course, there's
>
>> also the factor of my liking the RME converters I'd be selling and I don't
>
>> really know diddly about Yamaha converters. thad and I seem to be on the
>
>> same wavelength most of the time and I have to take into account his opinion
>
>> of Yamaha converters.
>>
>> Well........anyway......this is probably a few months away from being a
>
>> possibility anyway.
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>> news:C402CDC9.1326E%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>> Please don't read my post where I said this is a firewire interface.
>>> Nothing different going on here from any other fw interface.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/16/08 11:50 AM, in article 47dd6112@linux, "Mr. Simplicity"
>>> <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's a link where you han check out a closeup of the ports:
>>>>
>>>> http://messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse08/Content/Steinb erg/PR/MR816-FireW
>>>> ire-Interfaces.html
>>>>
>>>> Also, I'm listening to the video clip again adn he specifically states
>
>>>> that
>>>> it connects to the computer via firewire.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:47dd5efc@linux...
>>>>> Yeah, I was a little surprised no one asked the question about how
>>>>> exactly
>>>>> they achieved no latency at the end when they asked for questions. How
>
>>>>> do
>>>>> they do that I wonder? He specifically said all the Cubase channels
>
>>>>> stuff
>>>>> would be no latency.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they have that, then this has truly lived up to what I hoped for
> from
>>>>> the merger. I will say this: Yamaha is overall the finest and most
>>>>> comprehensive large music manufacturer and their products always sound
>>>>> good. Since i have used Cubase from the early Atari version in '88 or
>
>>>>> '89,
>>>>> I am a pretty big fan of Steiny too.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW he did say you could cascade 3 units, and he said they are USB,
> not
>>>>> firewire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:C40220B7.131DC%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>> I only watched part due to time constraints so I didn't catch that
>
>>>>>>> (i.e.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> could tell early on there was nothing new here).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes of course latency is *effectively* "zero" for the builtin dsp
> (in
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> out of the onboard mixer), but not in and out of the native system.
>>>>>>> Nothing
>>>>>>> different from what Totalmix, Cuemix, Soundscape and TDM do, and while
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> may be a few nanoseconds faster than others, it's still not *really*
>>>>>>> 0.00000ns.
>>>>>> That's not what I took away from what he was saying. Check out the
>
>>>>>> video
>>>>>> again when you get time dude, I think you may have missed the whole
>>>>>> reason why I'd choose this system if I dumped Paris. What I didn't
> hear
>>>>>> though was if I could stack these units, but I'm guessing not because
>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> how fast they simply would have to be to be no latency units.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course we all know absolute zero is impossible without time travel
>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>> There is always at least a few nanoseconds for gate setup/hold times
>
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> converters, and in the dsp chips, etc, so regardless of "zero" or
>
>>>>>>> "near
>>>>>>> zero" latency claims, they are all lower than most people care about
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> it's hardware based routing, rather than latent software routing
>>>>>>> (which
>>>>>>> actually could be nearly as fast if the OS were optimized for it -
>
>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>> systems like Radar, etc).
>>>>>> very true, and what I wanted to hear about. Actual convertor to
>>>>>> convertor
>>>>>> latency cannot possibly be zero/none. Even Paris is hitting 1.5 mS
> end
>>>>>> to end. And I have no problems living with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marketing.... it's all marketing.... in reality, every single DAW
> on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> planet adheres to the same physical limitations - they just use
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> packaging and emphasis of hardware vs. software. Good try
>>>>>>> Steiny/Yamaha.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/16/08 1:49 AM, in article 47dcc2fd$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric, they are stating 'No' Latency as in Nada..zilch..Nothing..
>
>>>>>>>> hey
>>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>> this at least 5 times. They even critisize other companies claim
> of
>>>>>>>> "near
>>>>>>>> zero " latency.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Look at the video again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/15/08 10:50 PM, in article 47dcaa29@linux, "Aaron Allen"
>>>>>>>>> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> semi-pro/pro work because of the latency they can't seem to lick.
>>>>>>>>>> Steiny
>>>>>>>>>> apparantly has beat that now with the Yammy interface.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How so? Was there mention of lower latencies I didn't see?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's a firewire interface just like the Fireface, Firepod, etc,
> and
>>>>>>>>> firewire
>>>>>>>>> is inherently limited due to the extra buffering overhead. I can't
>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> new Steinberg interface running at any lower latency than the
>>>>>>>>> Fireface,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> if they've beat that limit, kudos to Yamaha.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So far, imho RME seems to lead the low latency race overall with
>
>>>>>>>>> ASIO
>>>>>>>>> drivers. Imho, until operating systems drop the consumer bloat
> war
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> down to really running lean and mean with true kernel level audio
>>>>>>>>> drivers
>>>>>>>>> (not the facade of core audio), we may never see lower than 32
>>>>>>>>> samples,
>>>>>>>>> unless Intel multiplies the number of cores and general buss/memory
>>>>>>>>> processing exponentially to outpace the growing OS demands.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still have to wonder what got us to the point that an OS had to
> do
>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>> more than boot and access the hardware.... but we've had that
>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> few times already. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>
>>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96933 is a reply to message #96915] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 20:27 |
Bill L
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Sounded like marketing double talk. Zero and no latency are the same
thing, right? I just want to know if/how they are achieving it. We'll
find out eventually.
Either way it looks like a very nice interface with a lot of features.
If they bring it in at a reasonable price, it should be a winner.
Martin Harrington wrote:
> Watch the whole 3 videos..
> They say not Zero latency, but No latency .. A non issue as far as they are
> concerned.
> Who knows???
>
> Martin H
>
>
> On 16/03/08 4:24 PM, in article C4020B2E.131D0%dterry@keyofd.net, "Dedric
> Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>
>> On 3/15/08 10:50 PM, in article 47dcaa29@linux, "Aaron Allen"
>> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>> semi-pro/pro work because of the latency they can't seem to lick. Steiny
>>> apparantly has beat that now with the Yammy interface.
>>>
>> How so? Was there mention of lower latencies I didn't see?
>>
>> It's a firewire interface just like the Fireface, Firepod, etc, and firewire
>> is inherently limited due to the extra buffering overhead. I can't see the
>> new Steinberg interface running at any lower latency than the Fireface, but
>> if they've beat that limit, kudos to Yamaha.
>>
>> So far, imho RME seems to lead the low latency race overall with ASIO
>> drivers. Imho, until operating systems drop the consumer bloat war and get
>> down to really running lean and mean with true kernel level audio drivers
>> (not the facade of core audio), we may never see lower than 32 samples,
>> unless Intel multiplies the number of cores and general buss/memory
>> processing exponentially to outpace the growing OS demands.
>>
>> Still have to wonder what got us to the point that an OS had to do anything
>> more than boot and access the hardware.... but we've had that discussion a
>> few times already. ;-)
>>
>> Dedric
>>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96935 is a reply to message #96919] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 22:01 |
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So, If I had 2 or 3 Fireface 800, they could run in paralle and Cubase or
Nuendo, Logic would see the 3 units ?
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>On 3/16/08 5:45 PM, in article 47dda2fd$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Which?
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> LaMont, I believe this is incorrect, there are other fireWire interfaces
>>> that are chain-able.
>>>
>
>RME Fireface for one - it has a second FW400 port for running multiple units
>in parallel (FW800 connection to the PC/Mac side required).
>
>From the ad blurbs it says the dsp is available in Cubase - which could
be
>simply like other firewire dsp boxes (Powercore, Duende, etc) that give
you
>VST access to onboard dsp plugins. That part could be tied to Cubase, but
>though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST, and
the
>audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it.
>
>I wouldn't go by a product demonstration as the final word. Wait until
the
>units hit the streets and/or more info shows up on it.
>
>I also wouldn't sell your PCI/PCIe gear for a firewire solution... DJ.
;-)
>
>Dedric
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96937 is a reply to message #96935] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 22:08 |
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Thanks Dedric , you are right, you can chain 3 Fireface's. And James you are
right as well. Motu uses their proprieary Firewire protocol with their interfaces..So,
yes you can chain up to 4 units.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>So, If I had 2 or 3 Fireface 800, they could run in paralle and Cubase or
>Nuendo, Logic would see the 3 units ?
>
>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>On 3/16/08 5:45 PM, in article 47dda2fd$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Which?
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> LaMont, I believe this is incorrect, there are other fireWire interfaces
>>>> that are chain-able.
>>>>
>>
>>RME Fireface for one - it has a second FW400 port for running multiple
units
>>in parallel (FW800 connection to the PC/Mac side required).
>>
>>From the ad blurbs it says the dsp is available in Cubase - which could
>be
>>simply like other firewire dsp boxes (Powercore, Duende, etc) that give
>you
>>VST access to onboard dsp plugins. That part could be tied to Cubase,
but
>>though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST, and
>the
>>audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it.
>>
>>I wouldn't go by a product demonstration as the final word. Wait until
>the
>>units hit the streets and/or more info shows up on it.
>>
>>I also wouldn't sell your PCI/PCIe gear for a firewire solution... DJ.
>;-)
>>
>>Dedric
>>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96939 is a reply to message #96935] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 20:58 |
Dedric Terry
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Yes - you should see a list of ASIO ports for all three units with 2-3x the
I/O.
On 3/16/08 11:01 PM, in article 47dded19$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So, If I had 2 or 3 Fireface 800, they could run in paralle and Cubase or
> Nuendo, Logic would see the 3 units ?
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> On 3/16/08 5:45 PM, in article 47dda2fd$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Which?
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> LaMont, I believe this is incorrect, there are other fireWire interfaces
>>>> that are chain-able.
>>>>
>>
>> RME Fireface for one - it has a second FW400 port for running multiple units
>> in parallel (FW800 connection to the PC/Mac side required).
>>
>> From the ad blurbs it says the dsp is available in Cubase - which could
> be
>> simply like other firewire dsp boxes (Powercore, Duende, etc) that give
> you
>> VST access to onboard dsp plugins. That part could be tied to Cubase, but
>> though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST, and
> the
>> audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it.
>>
>> I wouldn't go by a product demonstration as the final word. Wait until
> the
>> units hit the streets and/or more info shows up on it.
>>
>> I also wouldn't sell your PCI/PCIe gear for a firewire solution... DJ.
> ;-)
>>
>> Dedric
>>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96940 is a reply to message #96933] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 21:06 |
Aaron Allen
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The only way I see this happening is for Cubase to control DSP onboard of
each unit, probably via mLAN if I were guessing. In this way there is no tax
on the host CPU, and the software becomes nothing more than a remote.
AA
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:47dde806@linux...
> Sounded like marketing double talk. Zero and no latency are the same
> thing, right? I just want to know if/how they are achieving it. We'll find
> out eventually.
>
> Either way it looks like a very nice interface with a lot of features. If
> they bring it in at a reasonable price, it should be a winner.
>
> Martin Harrington wrote:
>> Watch the whole 3 videos..
>> They say not Zero latency, but No latency .. A non issue as far as they
>> are
>> concerned.
>> Who knows???
>>
>> Martin H
>>
>>
>> On 16/03/08 4:24 PM, in article C4020B2E.131D0%dterry@keyofd.net, "Dedric
>> Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/15/08 10:50 PM, in article 47dcaa29@linux, "Aaron Allen"
>>> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>> semi-pro/pro work because of the latency they can't seem to lick.
>>>> Steiny
>>>> apparantly has beat that now with the Yammy interface.
>>>>
>>> How so? Was there mention of lower latencies I didn't see?
>>>
>>> It's a firewire interface just like the Fireface, Firepod, etc, and
>>> firewire
>>> is inherently limited due to the extra buffering overhead. I can't see
>>> the
>>> new Steinberg interface running at any lower latency than the Fireface,
>>> but
>>> if they've beat that limit, kudos to Yamaha.
>>>
>>> So far, imho RME seems to lead the low latency race overall with ASIO
>>> drivers. Imho, until operating systems drop the consumer bloat war and
>>> get
>>> down to really running lean and mean with true kernel level audio
>>> drivers
>>> (not the facade of core audio), we may never see lower than 32 samples,
>>> unless Intel multiplies the number of cores and general buss/memory
>>> processing exponentially to outpace the growing OS demands.
>>>
>>> Still have to wonder what got us to the point that an OS had to do
>>> anything
>>> more than boot and access the hardware.... but we've had that discussion
>>> a
>>> few times already. ;-)
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96941 is a reply to message #96919] |
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"That part could be tied to Cubase, but
though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST, and
the audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it."
Yes, any vst/asio can use the dsp via it's separate mixer(ala total mix and
the like). However, In Cubase, it has a direct route into Cubase's mixer
adn smoothly integrating with COntrol Room..Bypassing the the units own separate
mixer.
So, lets see, we have Motu's new unit with onboard dso, TC's units with dsp,
M-audio's new unit, EMU and now Yammy. Is this a trend? Will these type of
units get more powerful DSPs? We'll have to wait and see. But, these kinds
of units does solve a lot a common DAW problems.
BTW: Yammys plugins (REV-X and their Vinatge Comps and EQS)found on the DM-2000
MII and their Motif XS keyboards are really top notch. So, I guess these
will be trickling downward into the VST realm. Nice..
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>On 3/16/08 5:45 PM, in article 47dda2fd$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Which?
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> LaMont, I believe this is incorrect, there are other fireWire interfaces
>>> that are chain-able.
>>>
>
>RME Fireface for one - it has a second FW400 port for running multiple units
>in parallel (FW800 connection to the PC/Mac side required).
>
>From the ad blurbs it says the dsp is available in Cubase - which could
be
>simply like other firewire dsp boxes (Powercore, Duende, etc) that give
you
>VST access to onboard dsp plugins. That part could be tied to Cubase, but
>though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST, and
the
>audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it.
>
>I wouldn't go by a product demonstration as the final word. Wait until
the
>units hit the streets and/or more info shows up on it.
>
>I also wouldn't sell your PCI/PCIe gear for a firewire solution... DJ.
;-)
>
>Dedric
>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96943 is a reply to message #96941] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 21:38 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Do these other units access the dsp within the host mixer for native mixing,
or just controlled by the host mixer for use in the dsp mixer if you either
mix there after mixing natively, or for monitor feeds, etc (a la the Yammy
DSP2416 from a few years ago - cool in a way, but a big pain to use since
you either mixed natively, or on the DSP2416).
We've been wanting Fairlight to release their CC-1 card for general VST use
and access from any host, but of course it's only developed for Fairlight
consoles, so no really joy there for other apps.
Dedric
On 3/16/08 11:27 PM, in article 47ddf319$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "That part could be tied to Cubase, but
> though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST, and
> the audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it."
>
> Yes, any vst/asio can use the dsp via it's separate mixer(ala total mix and
> the like). However, In Cubase, it has a direct route into Cubase's mixer
> adn smoothly integrating with COntrol Room..Bypassing the the units own
> separate
> mixer.
>
> So, lets see, we have Motu's new unit with onboard dso, TC's units with dsp,
> M-audio's new unit, EMU and now Yammy. Is this a trend? Will these type of
> units get more powerful DSPs? We'll have to wait and see. But, these kinds
> of units does solve a lot a common DAW problems.
> BTW: Yammys plugins (REV-X and their Vinatge Comps and EQS)found on the
> DM-2000
> MII and their Motif XS keyboards are really top notch. So, I guess these
> will be trickling downward into the VST realm. Nice..
>
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> On 3/16/08 5:45 PM, in article 47dda2fd$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Which?
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> LaMont, I believe this is incorrect, there are other fireWire interfaces
>>>> that are chain-able.
>>>>
>>
>> RME Fireface for one - it has a second FW400 port for running multiple units
>> in parallel (FW800 connection to the PC/Mac side required).
>>
>> From the ad blurbs it says the dsp is available in Cubase - which could
> be
>> simply like other firewire dsp boxes (Powercore, Duende, etc) that give
> you
>> VST access to onboard dsp plugins. That part could be tied to Cubase, but
>> though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST, and
> the
>> audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it.
>>
>> I wouldn't go by a product demonstration as the final word. Wait until
> the
>> units hit the streets and/or more info shows up on it.
>>
>> I also wouldn't sell your PCI/PCIe gear for a firewire solution... DJ.
> ;-)
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96949 is a reply to message #96937] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 23:37 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks Dedric , you are right, you can chain 3 Fireface's. And James you
are
>right as well. Motu uses their proprieary Firewire protocol with their interfaces..So,
>yes you can chain up to 4 units.
I believe the MOTU 828mk3 and the MOTU 896HD use standard FireWire ports
and are expandable.
Anyways, it will be interesting to see how the Steinberg stuff is. If there
claim of no latency is true, that would be great. The Yamaha mic pres are
vary good, IMO. I have a feeling the Steinberg stuff is going to be expensive
though.
All the new stuff that is coming out is great, but I feel like a dog that
is chasing my tail sometimes. I'm cutting back and selling off. I'd like
to get off the money tread mill for a while. I have Paris and a few other
systems that do what I need. I think I'm going to sit tight for the rest
of this year to see where it's all going.
Because of the low cost, I'm considering the Alesis Master control. It won't
be out for a while and I want to hear some user reviews and hear how it sounds
before I buy. The same for the new Presonus studio stuff. The StudioLive
mixer and the Monitor Station both look promising. If the Steinberg stuff
is reasonably priced and will work well with other software I may go that
way. For now I'm cutting back.
Alesis Master control video (Watch the whole video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hym2a0VDgF0
Video
http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=47
http://messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse08/Content/PreSon us/PR/Monitor-Station-.html
http://messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse08/Content/PreSon us/PR/StudioLive-Digital-Mixer.html
http://www.presonus.com/media/manuals/studiolive-brochure_we b.pdf
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>So, If I had 2 or 3 Fireface 800, they could run in paralle and Cubase
or
>>Nuendo, Logic would see the 3 units ?
>>
>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>On 3/16/08 5:45 PM, in article 47dda2fd$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which?
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> LaMont, I believe this is incorrect, there are other fireWire interfaces
>>>>> that are chain-able.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>RME Fireface for one - it has a second FW400 port for running multiple
>units
>>>in parallel (FW800 connection to the PC/Mac side required).
>>>
>>>From the ad blurbs it says the dsp is available in Cubase - which could
>>be
>>>simply like other firewire dsp boxes (Powercore, Duende, etc) that give
>>you
>>>VST access to onboard dsp plugins. That part could be tied to Cubase,
>but
>>>though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST, and
>>the
>>>audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it.
>>>
>>>I wouldn't go by a product demonstration as the final word. Wait until
>>the
>>>units hit the streets and/or more info shows up on it.
>>>
>>>I also wouldn't sell your PCI/PCIe gear for a firewire solution... DJ.
>
>>;-)
>>>
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96953 is a reply to message #96943] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 23:03 |
Deej [5]
Messages: 373
Registered: March 2008
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I've never even used the Cubase CR function...not even once, but I can't see
any reason you couldn't use a digitally interfaced outboard reverb unit
during tracking. Wouldn't this be possible? When I ping my digitally
interfaced Quantec or PCM-91, I get something less than 0.25ms. As far as
printing compression and EQ,.......errrrr.........I sorta' thought analog
processors chained in series could accomplish this, if need be......and if I
need advice on presets (or ****morphing or whateverTF they are calling
presets these days), I can always ask here.
;o)
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C40351EC.1330F%dterry@keyofd.net...
> Do these other units access the dsp within the host mixer for native
> mixing,
> or just controlled by the host mixer for use in the dsp mixer if you
> either
> mix there after mixing natively, or for monitor feeds, etc (a la the Yammy
> DSP2416 from a few years ago - cool in a way, but a big pain to use since
> you either mixed natively, or on the DSP2416).
>
> We've been wanting Fairlight to release their CC-1 card for general VST
> use
> and access from any host, but of course it's only developed for Fairlight
> consoles, so no really joy there for other apps.
>
> Dedric
>
> On 3/16/08 11:27 PM, in article 47ddf319$1@linux, "LaMont"
> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "That part could be tied to Cubase, but
>> though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST, and
>> the audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it."
>>
>> Yes, any vst/asio can use the dsp via it's separate mixer(ala total mix
>> and
>> the like). However, In Cubase, it has a direct route into Cubase's mixer
>> adn smoothly integrating with COntrol Room..Bypassing the the units own
>> separate
>> mixer.
>>
>> So, lets see, we have Motu's new unit with onboard dso, TC's units with
>> dsp,
>> M-audio's new unit, EMU and now Yammy. Is this a trend? Will these type
>> of
>> units get more powerful DSPs? We'll have to wait and see. But, these
>> kinds
>> of units does solve a lot a common DAW problems.
>> BTW: Yammys plugins (REV-X and their Vinatge Comps and EQS)found on the
>> DM-2000
>> MII and their Motif XS keyboards are really top notch. So, I guess these
>> will be trickling downward into the VST realm. Nice..
>>
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> On 3/16/08 5:45 PM, in article 47dda2fd$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which?
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> LaMont, I believe this is incorrect, there are other fireWire
>>>>> interfaces
>>>>> that are chain-able.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> RME Fireface for one - it has a second FW400 port for running multiple
>>> units
>>> in parallel (FW800 connection to the PC/Mac side required).
>>>
>>> From the ad blurbs it says the dsp is available in Cubase - which could
>> be
>>> simply like other firewire dsp boxes (Powercore, Duende, etc) that give
>> you
>>> VST access to onboard dsp plugins. That part could be tied to Cubase,
>>> but
>>> though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST, and
>> the
>>> audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't go by a product demonstration as the final word. Wait until
>> the
>>> units hit the streets and/or more info shows up on it.
>>>
>>> I also wouldn't sell your PCI/PCIe gear for a firewire solution... DJ.
>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96958 is a reply to message #96939] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 01:07 |
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Aww Yes.. The all Powerful CC-1 form Fairlight. It would seem that those guys
at Fairlight have hit a snag of sorts..No new developemnt on such promising
technology.
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Yes - you should see a list of ASIO ports for all three units with 2-3x
the
>I/O.
>
>On 3/16/08 11:01 PM, in article 47dded19$1@linux, "LaMont"
><jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> So, If I had 2 or 3 Fireface 800, they could run in paralle and Cubase
or
>> Nuendo, Logic would see the 3 units ?
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> On 3/16/08 5:45 PM, in article 47dda2fd$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which?
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> LaMont, I believe this is incorrect, there are other fireWire interfaces
>>>>> that are chain-able.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> RME Fireface for one - it has a second FW400 port for running multiple
units
>>> in parallel (FW800 connection to the PC/Mac side required).
>>>
>>> From the ad blurbs it says the dsp is available in Cubase - which could
>> be
>>> simply like other firewire dsp boxes (Powercore, Duende, etc) that give
>> you
>>> VST access to onboard dsp plugins. That part could be tied to Cubase,
but
>>> though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST,
and
>> the
>>> audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't go by a product demonstration as the final word. Wait until
>> the
>>> units hit the streets and/or more info shows up on it.
>>>
>>> I also wouldn't sell your PCI/PCIe gear for a firewire solution... DJ.
>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96970 is a reply to message #96969] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 07:51 |
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I agree. The products their putting out for this super-duper card is pitiful
at best. But, they think they have a market for it. Oh well. Can we say NED(Synclavier)..
"Neil" <OIOI@OI.com> wrote:
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Aww Yes.. The all Powerful CC-1 form Fairlight. It would seem that those
>guys
>>at Fairlight have hit a snag of sorts..No new developemnt on such promising
>>technology.
>
>That's because they only seem to want to build stuff for the
>still-shrinking super high-end market... hard to get cash
>influx when your target market is on the wane. Kinda like
>making super expensive buggy whips right as Henry Ford had
>just finished building his first assembly line.
>
>Neil
>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96971 is a reply to message #96953] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 07:55 |
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True.. But, with CR, a person does not have to have a separate fold-back/talk
back setup. As well as easliy setting up different monitor mixes With fx
all within the app.
"Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>I've never even used the Cubase CR function...not even once, but I can't
see
>any reason you couldn't use a digitally interfaced outboard reverb unit
>during tracking. Wouldn't this be possible? When I ping my digitally
>interfaced Quantec or PCM-91, I get something less than 0.25ms. As far
as
>printing compression and EQ,.......errrrr.........I sorta' thought analog
>processors chained in series could accomplish this, if need be......and
if I
>need advice on presets (or ****morphing or whateverTF they are calling
>presets these days), I can always ask here.
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>news:C40351EC.1330F%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> Do these other units access the dsp within the host mixer for native
>> mixing,
>> or just controlled by the host mixer for use in the dsp mixer if you
>> either
>> mix there after mixing natively, or for monitor feeds, etc (a la the Yammy
>> DSP2416 from a few years ago - cool in a way, but a big pain to use since
>> you either mixed natively, or on the DSP2416).
>>
>> We've been wanting Fairlight to release their CC-1 card for general VST
>> use
>> and access from any host, but of course it's only developed for Fairlight
>> consoles, so no really joy there for other apps.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 3/16/08 11:27 PM, in article 47ddf319$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "That part could be tied to Cubase, but
>>> though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST,
and
>>> the audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it."
>>>
>>> Yes, any vst/asio can use the dsp via it's separate mixer(ala total mix
>>> and
>>> the like). However, In Cubase, it has a direct route into Cubase's mixer
>>> adn smoothly integrating with COntrol Room..Bypassing the the units own
>>> separate
>>> mixer.
>>>
>>> So, lets see, we have Motu's new unit with onboard dso, TC's units with
>>> dsp,
>>> M-audio's new unit, EMU and now Yammy. Is this a trend? Will these type
>>> of
>>> units get more powerful DSPs? We'll have to wait and see. But, these
>>> kinds
>>> of units does solve a lot a common DAW problems.
>>> BTW: Yammys plugins (REV-X and their Vinatge Comps and EQS)found on the
>>> DM-2000
>>> MII and their Motif XS keyboards are really top notch. So, I guess these
>>> will be trickling downward into the VST realm. Nice..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> On 3/16/08 5:45 PM, in article 47dda2fd$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Which?
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LaMont, I believe this is incorrect, there are other fireWire
>>>>>> interfaces
>>>>>> that are chain-able.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> RME Fireface for one - it has a second FW400 port for running multiple
>>>> units
>>>> in parallel (FW800 connection to the PC/Mac side required).
>>>>
>>>> From the ad blurbs it says the dsp is available in Cubase - which could
>>> be
>>>> simply like other firewire dsp boxes (Powercore, Duende, etc) that give
>>> you
>>>> VST access to onboard dsp plugins. That part could be tied to Cubase,
>>>> but
>>>> though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST,
and
>>> the
>>>> audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't go by a product demonstration as the final word. Wait until
>>> the
>>>> units hit the streets and/or more info shows up on it.
>>>>
>>>> I also wouldn't sell your PCI/PCIe gear for a firewire solution... DJ.
>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96976 is a reply to message #96949] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 08:56 |
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Same here James. I'm sitting standig pat. The PC's and Macs I have are more
than doing the job.
I too want to see where all of this is going before forking over good money
into half-baked, half-supported DAW inititives.
I am remineded of an Old O'Jays song..'Got to Give the People, Give the People
want...." :)
...
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks Dedric , you are right, you can chain 3 Fireface's. And James you
>are
>>right as well. Motu uses their proprieary Firewire protocol with their
interfaces..So,
>>yes you can chain up to 4 units.
>
>I believe the MOTU 828mk3 and the MOTU 896HD use standard FireWire ports
>and are expandable.
>
>Anyways, it will be interesting to see how the Steinberg stuff is. If there
>claim of no latency is true, that would be great. The Yamaha mic pres are
>vary good, IMO. I have a feeling the Steinberg stuff is going to be expensive
>though.
>
>All the new stuff that is coming out is great, but I feel like a dog that
>is chasing my tail sometimes. I'm cutting back and selling off. I'd like
>to get off the money tread mill for a while. I have Paris and a few other
>systems that do what I need. I think I'm going to sit tight for the rest
>of this year to see where it's all going.
>
>Because of the low cost, I'm considering the Alesis Master control. It won't
>be out for a while and I want to hear some user reviews and hear how it
sounds
>before I buy. The same for the new Presonus studio stuff. The StudioLive
>mixer and the Monitor Station both look promising. If the Steinberg stuff
>is reasonably priced and will work well with other software I may go that
>way. For now I'm cutting back.
>
>Alesis Master control video (Watch the whole video)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hym2a0VDgF0
>
>Video
>http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=47
>
> http://messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse08/Content/PreSon us/PR/Monitor-Station-.html
>
> http://messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse08/Content/PreSon us/PR/StudioLive-Digital-Mixer.html
>
> http://www.presonus.com/media/manuals/studiolive-brochure_we b.pdf
>
>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>So, If I had 2 or 3 Fireface 800, they could run in paralle and Cubase
>or
>>>Nuendo, Logic would see the 3 units ?
>>>
>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>On 3/16/08 5:45 PM, in article 47dda2fd$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Which?
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LaMont, I believe this is incorrect, there are other fireWire interfaces
>>>>>> that are chain-able.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>RME Fireface for one - it has a second FW400 port for running multiple
>>units
>>>>in parallel (FW800 connection to the PC/Mac side required).
>>>>
>>>>From the ad blurbs it says the dsp is available in Cubase - which could
>>>be
>>>>simply like other firewire dsp boxes (Powercore, Duende, etc) that give
>>>you
>>>>VST access to onboard dsp plugins. That part could be tied to Cubase,
>>but
>>>>though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST,
and
>>>the
>>>>audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it.
>>>>
>>>>I wouldn't go by a product demonstration as the final word. Wait until
>>>the
>>>>units hit the streets and/or more info shows up on it.
>>>>
>>>>I also wouldn't sell your PCI/PCIe gear for a firewire solution... DJ.
>>
>>>;-)
>>>>
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Cubase may have finally arrived [message #96986 is a reply to message #96971] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 08:52 |
Deej [5]
Messages: 373
Registered: March 2008
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Senior Member |
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I've actually got one of the Steinberg folks responding to questions online
which is a rarity on the Cubase.net forum.
I believe it is probably this fellow.
http://www.steinberg.net/
Here's the link to a thread I started yesterday, similar to shat I posted
here:
http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=712708#712708
If we're nice to him, we might be able to keep him engaged in conversation
and we might learn something useful......before the hoardes of assholes on
that forum slag him to the point where he bails.
;o)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47de7860$1@linux...
>
> True.. But, with CR, a person does not have to have a separate
> fold-back/talk
> back setup. As well as easliy setting up different monitor mixes With fx
> all within the app.
>
> "Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>>I've never even used the Cubase CR function...not even once, but I can't
> see
>>any reason you couldn't use a digitally interfaced outboard reverb unit
>
>>during tracking. Wouldn't this be possible? When I ping my digitally
>>interfaced Quantec or PCM-91, I get something less than 0.25ms. As far
> as
>>printing compression and EQ,.......errrrr.........I sorta' thought analog
>
>>processors chained in series could accomplish this, if need be......and
> if I
>>need advice on presets (or ****morphing or whateverTF they are calling
>>presets these days), I can always ask here.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>news:C40351EC.1330F%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>> Do these other units access the dsp within the host mixer for native
>>> mixing,
>>> or just controlled by the host mixer for use in the dsp mixer if you
>>> either
>>> mix there after mixing natively, or for monitor feeds, etc (a la the
>>> Yammy
>>> DSP2416 from a few years ago - cool in a way, but a big pain to use
>>> since
>>> you either mixed natively, or on the DSP2416).
>>>
>>> We've been wanting Fairlight to release their CC-1 card for general VST
>
>>> use
>>> and access from any host, but of course it's only developed for
>>> Fairlight
>>> consoles, so no really joy there for other apps.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 3/16/08 11:27 PM, in article 47ddf319$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "That part could be tied to Cubase, but
>>>> though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST,
> and
>>>> the audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it."
>>>>
>>>> Yes, any vst/asio can use the dsp via it's separate mixer(ala total mix
>
>>>> and
>>>> the like). However, In Cubase, it has a direct route into Cubase's
>>>> mixer
>>>> adn smoothly integrating with COntrol Room..Bypassing the the units own
>>>> separate
>>>> mixer.
>>>>
>>>> So, lets see, we have Motu's new unit with onboard dso, TC's units with
>
>>>> dsp,
>>>> M-audio's new unit, EMU and now Yammy. Is this a trend? Will these type
>
>>>> of
>>>> units get more powerful DSPs? We'll have to wait and see. But, these
>
>>>> kinds
>>>> of units does solve a lot a common DAW problems.
>>>> BTW: Yammys plugins (REV-X and their Vinatge Comps and EQS)found on the
>>>> DM-2000
>>>> MII and their Motif XS keyboards are really top notch. So, I guess
>>>> these
>>>> will be trickling downward into the VST realm. Nice..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/16/08 5:45 PM, in article 47dda2fd$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Which?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LaMont, I believe this is incorrect, there are other fireWire
>>>>>>> interfaces
>>>>>>> that are chain-able.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> RME Fireface for one - it has a second FW400 port for running multiple
>
>>>>> units
>>>>> in parallel (FW800 connection to the PC/Mac side required).
>>>>>
>>>>> From the ad blurbs it says the dsp is available in Cubase - which
>>>>> could
>>>> be
>>>>> simply like other firewire dsp boxes (Powercore, Duende, etc) that
>>>>> give
>>>> you
>>>>> VST access to onboard dsp plugins. That part could be tied to Cubase,
>
>>>>> but
>>>>> though it doesn't say so, so my guess is the dsp is most likely VST,
> and
>>>> the
>>>>> audio is ASIO, so any VST/ASIO app should be able to use it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't go by a product demonstration as the final word. Wait
>>>>> until
>>>> the
>>>>> units hit the streets and/or more info shows up on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also wouldn't sell your PCI/PCIe gear for a firewire solution... DJ.
>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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