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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #81847 is a reply to message #81825] |
Tue, 20 March 2007 20:44   |
LaMont
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DJ,
The DM-2000 is thee ultimate Mixer/Controller ..we are talking 96 channels
@96k with full eq &dynamics on every channel. Front ends Cubase/Neundo, PT,
Sonar, Logic ...very very well..
The on-board (24) mic pres are sweet. Very usable. Then there's the 8 SPX-1000'!!!
Yikes..Yes 8 of them..As well as, six (6) 31 band eqs..
Killer routing. Big, wide, open sound.. Even a Firewire (M-Lan) options..AND,
to think you can cascade 2 or more of these beast.
Yes, I use the DM when working at my buddies studio. Just amazing!! He has
a spare one, that he's holding for me. That will be my (home) studio front
end to Neundo & Pro Tools and even Paris..
Get it ..if you can..
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=22009 2063798&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:12
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>Damn!!! This looks like the deal of the century (at least at the moment)
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>Unfortunately, after considering it *very* seriously, I'm gonna have to
>stand on the sidelines and watch this one get away.
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #81954 is a reply to message #81949] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 09:50 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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Lots of preamps that I don't need (that's the case with the Yammy as well).
I wonder if this has the Studio Manager style hardware that the DM2000 has.
The one major kludge in Cubase is the cue mixing. It's not a deal breaker,
but unless/until ADM is implemented in the Control Room section, it's pretty
worthless without a monster computer to run Cubase at the lowest possible
latency. I could build a dual socket Intel Xeon quad core for around
$2500.00. That would probably be money better spent.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4602a7be$1@linux...
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> I agree James ..The Tascam 4800 are very nice and makes for a very pro
> front
> end to any DAW..
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>DJ, you could get two of these instead. Just think, 128 ch. 48 fader with
>>full automation, 64 digital I/Os, Cubase control, and a lot more. You
>>could
>>probably drive down and pick them up in person.
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/TASCAM-DM-4800-DIGITAL-MIXER-NEW-DM-4800 -DM4800_W0QQitemZ200092132437QQcategoryZ23785QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200092132437
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>>The Yamaha went for over 10K.
>>
>>James
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>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=22009 2063798&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:12
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>>>Damn!!! This looks like the deal of the century (at least at the moment)
>>
>>>Unfortunately, after considering it *very* seriously, I'm gonna have to
>>
>>>stand on the sidelines and watch this one get away.
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #81966 is a reply to message #81954] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 15:49 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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At this point DJ, by adding a mixer like a Dm2000 which has built talk back
and Major Cue functions your days of using Cubase's cue functions..
Having a Mixer with your DAW is Major update..The pres are in the Grace preamp
901 range. We prefer them then when recording Bass and guitars...They are
Clean, but with debt and character.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Lots of preamps that I don't need (that's the case with the Yammy as well).
>I wonder if this has the Studio Manager style hardware that the DM2000 has.
>The one major kludge in Cubase is the cue mixing. It's not a deal breaker,
>but unless/until ADM is implemented in the Control Room section, it's pretty
>worthless without a monster computer to run Cubase at the lowest possible
>latency. I could build a dual socket Intel Xeon quad core for around
>$2500.00. That would probably be money better spent.
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4602a7be$1@linux...
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>> I agree James ..The Tascam 4800 are very nice and makes for a very pro
>> front
>> end to any DAW..
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>DJ, you could get two of these instead. Just think, 128 ch. 48 fader
with
>>>full automation, 64 digital I/Os, Cubase control, and a lot more. You
>>>could
>>>probably drive down and pick them up in person.
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/TASCAM-DM-4800-DIGITAL-MIXER-NEW-DM-4800 -DM4800_W0QQitemZ200092132437QQcategoryZ23785QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200092132437
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>>>The Yamaha went for over 10K.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=22009 2063798&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:12
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>>>>Damn!!! This looks like the deal of the century (at least at the moment)
>>>
>>>>Unfortunately, after considering it *very* seriously, I'm gonna have
to
>>>
>>>>stand on the sidelines and watch this one get away.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #81971 is a reply to message #81966] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 15:46 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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>The pres are in the Grace preamp
so this would be the Yamaha pre's, right?
> 901 range.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4602f9e8$1@linux...
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> At this point DJ, by adding a mixer like a Dm2000 which has built talk
> back
> and Major Cue functions your days of using Cubase's cue functions..
>
> Having a Mixer with your DAW is Major update..The pres are in the Grace
> preamp
> 901 range. We prefer them then when recording Bass and guitars...They are
> Clean, but with debt and character.
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Lots of preamps that I don't need (that's the case with the Yammy as
>>well).
>
>>I wonder if this has the Studio Manager style hardware that the DM2000
>>has.
>
>>The one major kludge in Cubase is the cue mixing. It's not a deal breaker,
>
>>but unless/until ADM is implemented in the Control Room section, it's
>>pretty
>
>>worthless without a monster computer to run Cubase at the lowest possible
>
>>latency. I could build a dual socket Intel Xeon quad core for around
>>$2500.00. That would probably be money better spent.
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4602a7be$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I agree James ..The Tascam 4800 are very nice and makes for a very pro
>
>>> front
>>> end to any DAW..
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>DJ, you could get two of these instead. Just think, 128 ch. 48 fader
> with
>>>>full automation, 64 digital I/Os, Cubase control, and a lot more. You
>
>>>>could
>>>>probably drive down and pick them up in person.
>>>>
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/TASCAM-DM-4800-DIGITAL-MIXER-NEW-DM-4800 -DM4800_W0QQitemZ200092132437QQcategoryZ23785QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200092132437
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>>>>The Yamaha went for over 10K.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=22009 2063798&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:12
>>>>>
>>>>>Damn!!! This looks like the deal of the century (at least at the
>>>>>moment)
>>>>
>>>>>Unfortunately, after considering it *very* seriously, I'm gonna have
> to
>>>>
>>>>>stand on the sidelines and watch this one get away.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #81972 is a reply to message #81966] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 15:59 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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It's like I'm typing this, but I don't see my fingers moving... ;-)
David.
LaMont wrote:
> At this point DJ, by adding a mixer like a Dm2000 which has built talk back
> and Major Cue functions your days of using Cubase's cue functions..
>
> Having a Mixer with your DAW is Major update..The pres are in the Grace preamp
> 901 range. We prefer them then when recording Bass and guitars...They are
> Clean, but with debt and character.
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>>Lots of preamps that I don't need (that's the case with the Yammy as well).
>
>
>>I wonder if this has the Studio Manager style hardware that the DM2000 has.
>
>
>>The one major kludge in Cubase is the cue mixing. It's not a deal breaker,
>
>
>>but unless/until ADM is implemented in the Control Room section, it's pretty
>
>
>>worthless without a monster computer to run Cubase at the lowest possible
>
>
>>latency. I could build a dual socket Intel Xeon quad core for around
>>$2500.00. That would probably be money better spent.
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4602a7be$1@linux...
>>
>>>I agree James ..The Tascam 4800 are very nice and makes for a very pro
>
>
>>>front
>>>end to any DAW..
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>DJ, you could get two of these instead. Just think, 128 ch. 48 fader
>
> with
>
>>>>full automation, 64 digital I/Os, Cubase control, and a lot more. You
>
>
>>>>could
>>>>probably drive down and pick them up in person.
>>>>
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/TASCAM-DM-4800-DIGITAL-MIXER-NEW-DM-4800 -DM4800_W0QQitemZ200092132437QQcategoryZ23785QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200092132437
>>>>
>>>>The Yamaha went for over 10K.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=22009 2063798&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:12
>>>>>
>>>>>Damn!!! This looks like the deal of the century (at least at the moment)
>>>>
>>>>>Unfortunately, after considering it *very* seriously, I'm gonna have
>
> to
>
>>>>>stand on the sidelines and watch this one get away.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #81974 is a reply to message #81971] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 17:29 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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Yep.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>The pres are in the Grace preamp
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>so this would be the Yamaha pre's, right?
>
>
>> 901 range.
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4602f9e8$1@linux...
>>
>> At this point DJ, by adding a mixer like a Dm2000 which has built talk
>> back
>> and Major Cue functions your days of using Cubase's cue functions..
>>
>> Having a Mixer with your DAW is Major update..The pres are in the Grace
>> preamp
>> 901 range. We prefer them then when recording Bass and guitars...They
are
>> Clean, but with debt and character.
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Lots of preamps that I don't need (that's the case with the Yammy as
>>>well).
>>
>>>I wonder if this has the Studio Manager style hardware that the DM2000
>>>has.
>>
>>>The one major kludge in Cubase is the cue mixing. It's not a deal breaker,
>>
>>>but unless/until ADM is implemented in the Control Room section, it's
>>>pretty
>>
>>>worthless without a monster computer to run Cubase at the lowest possible
>>
>>>latency. I could build a dual socket Intel Xeon quad core for around
>>>$2500.00. That would probably be money better spent.
>>>
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4602a7be$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I agree James ..The Tascam 4800 are very nice and makes for a very pro
>>
>>>> front
>>>> end to any DAW..
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>DJ, you could get two of these instead. Just think, 128 ch. 48 fader
>> with
>>>>>full automation, 64 digital I/Os, Cubase control, and a lot more. You
>>
>>>>>could
>>>>>probably drive down and pick them up in person.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/TASCAM-DM-4800-DIGITAL-MIXER-NEW-DM-4800 -DM4800_W0QQitemZ200092132437QQcategoryZ23785QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200092132437
>>>>>
>>>>>The Yamaha went for over 10K.
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=22009 2063798&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:12
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Damn!!! This looks like the deal of the century (at least at the
>>>>>>moment)
>>>>>
>>>>>>Unfortunately, after considering it *very* seriously, I'm gonna have
>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>stand on the sidelines and watch this one get away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #81978 is a reply to message #81971] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 18:11 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And withthe
Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 & LA2a comps
and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice mixer as well,
and sounds good..
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>The pres are in the Grace preamp
>
>so this would be the Yamaha pre's, right?
>
>
>> 901 range.
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4602f9e8$1@linux...
>>
>> At this point DJ, by adding a mixer like a Dm2000 which has built talk
>> back
>> and Major Cue functions your days of using Cubase's cue functions..
>>
>> Having a Mixer with your DAW is Major update..The pres are in the Grace
>> preamp
>> 901 range. We prefer them then when recording Bass and guitars...They
are
>> Clean, but with debt and character.
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Lots of preamps that I don't need (that's the case with the Yammy as
>>>well).
>>
>>>I wonder if this has the Studio Manager style hardware that the DM2000
>>>has.
>>
>>>The one major kludge in Cubase is the cue mixing. It's not a deal breaker,
>>
>>>but unless/until ADM is implemented in the Control Room section, it's
>>>pretty
>>
>>>worthless without a monster computer to run Cubase at the lowest possible
>>
>>>latency. I could build a dual socket Intel Xeon quad core for around
>>>$2500.00. That would probably be money better spent.
>>>
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4602a7be$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I agree James ..The Tascam 4800 are very nice and makes for a very pro
>>
>>>> front
>>>> end to any DAW..
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>DJ, you could get two of these instead. Just think, 128 ch. 48 fader
>> with
>>>>>full automation, 64 digital I/Os, Cubase control, and a lot more. You
>>
>>>>>could
>>>>>probably drive down and pick them up in person.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/TASCAM-DM-4800-DIGITAL-MIXER-NEW-DM-4800 -DM4800_W0QQitemZ200092132437QQcategoryZ23785QQssPageNameZWD VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200092132437
>>>>>
>>>>>The Yamaha went for over 10K.
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=22009 2063798&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:12
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Damn!!! This looks like the deal of the century (at least at the
>>>>>>moment)
>>>>>
>>>>>>Unfortunately, after considering it *very* seriously, I'm gonna have
>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>stand on the sidelines and watch this one get away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #81982 is a reply to message #81978] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 18:31 |
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And the DM2000 can act as the control surface for all the major DAW's?
"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And withthe
>Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 & LA2a comps
>and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
>
>But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice mixer as
well,
>and sounds good..
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #81987 is a reply to message #81982] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 18:53 |
audioguy_editout_
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The DM2K has several built-in remote layer protocols...
Nuendo, Cubase SX, Protools and "Generic DAW". The tight
integration with NU/CU will never be as good with other
DAW's because of the Studio Manager software for the Yamaha
consoles that is built into the Steinberg software:
http://www.studioconnections.org/
This joint venture between Steinberg and Yamaha is one of
the reasons that Yamaha ended up buying Steinberg...
The ProTools layer (I haven't tried it yet) is supposed to
be quite close to the level of control offered by the Steiny
software, but with out the total recall capability. For
that to happen you would have to install the stand-alone
version of Studio Manager on the host platform and manage
the console settings separately.
The generic layers still offer lots of control, but the real
beauty is in the routing, cue mixing, processing, monitoring
etc.
David.
Gantt Kushner wrote:
> And the DM2000 can act as the control surface for all the major DAW's?
>
> "LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And withthe
>>Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 & LA2a comps
>>and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
>>
>>But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice mixer as
>
> well,
>
>>and sounds good..
>>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #81992 is a reply to message #81982] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 21:32 |
excelav
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"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
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>And the DM2000 can act as the control surface for all the major DAW's?
The Tascam DM-3200 and DM 4800 does also. The Tascam will give you 32 ins
and 32 outs at up to 24bit 96K to your computer with the FireWire interface
card. That's one cable connected to your computer! You can cascade/expand
the system with a second mixer, that's 50 touch-sensitive motorized faders
of daw control, plus the Channel Strip and all the encoders. Check out the
video!
It serves as your audio interface, DAW controller/transport control, mixer,
cue system, TC Reverbs, 4-band EQ, compression and gating on each channel,
mic pres, inserts and line inputs per ch., with total flexible routing.
It's a powerful piece of equipment that can replace a lot of pieces of equipment.
You can get a new Tascam DM-3200 for under $2500.00, and a new DM 4800 for
under 4K. I think the price is hard to beat!
http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
James
P.S. I'm not a Tascam dealer.
>
>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And withthe
>>Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 & LA2a comps
>>and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
>>
>>But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice mixer as
>well,
>>and sounds good..
>>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #81994 is a reply to message #81992] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 21:50 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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I'll plug Mike Ofca again. If you want to see, and hear the DM 3200, it's
in the back ground of Mike's video. Check it out.
http://www.mikeofca.com/
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>And the DM2000 can act as the control surface for all the major DAW's?
>
>
>The Tascam DM-3200 and DM 4800 does also. The Tascam will give you 32 ins
>and 32 outs at up to 24bit 96K to your computer with the FireWire interface
>card. That's one cable connected to your computer! You can cascade/expand
>the system with a second mixer, that's 50 touch-sensitive motorized faders
>of daw control, plus the Channel Strip and all the encoders. Check out the
>video!
>
>It serves as your audio interface, DAW controller/transport control, mixer,
>cue system, TC Reverbs, 4-band EQ, compression and gating on each channel,
>mic pres, inserts and line inputs per ch., with total flexible routing.
>It's a powerful piece of equipment that can replace a lot of pieces of equipment.
>
>
>You can get a new Tascam DM-3200 for under $2500.00, and a new DM 4800 for
>under 4K. I think the price is hard to beat!
>
>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>
>James
>P.S. I'm not a Tascam dealer.
>
>>
>>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And withthe
>>>Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 & LA2a
comps
>>>and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
>>>
>>>But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice mixer as
>>well,
>>>and sounds good..
>>>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82006 is a reply to message #81994] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 07:28 |
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How are the Tascam mic pres?
Gantt
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>I'll plug Mike Ofca again. If you want to see, and hear the DM 3200, it's
>in the back ground of Mike's video. Check it out.
>
>http://www.mikeofca.com/
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>And the DM2000 can act as the control surface for all the major DAW's?
>>
>>
>>The Tascam DM-3200 and DM 4800 does also. The Tascam will give you 32
ins
>>and 32 outs at up to 24bit 96K to your computer with the FireWire interface
>>card. That's one cable connected to your computer! You can cascade/expand
>>the system with a second mixer, that's 50 touch-sensitive motorized faders
>>of daw control, plus the Channel Strip and all the encoders. Check out
the
>>video!
>>
>>It serves as your audio interface, DAW controller/transport control, mixer,
>>cue system, TC Reverbs, 4-band EQ, compression and gating on each channel,
>>mic pres, inserts and line inputs per ch., with total flexible routing.
>
>>It's a powerful piece of equipment that can replace a lot of pieces of
equipment.
>>
>>
>>You can get a new Tascam DM-3200 for under $2500.00, and a new DM 4800
for
>>under 4K. I think the price is hard to beat!
>>
>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>
>>James
>>P.S. I'm not a Tascam dealer.
>>
>>>
>>>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And withthe
>>>>Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 & LA2a
>comps
>>>>and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
>>>>
>>>>But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice mixer
as
>>>well,
>>>>and sounds good..
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82010 is a reply to message #82006] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 07:52 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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While I have NOT tried the newer crop of mic pre's, I have to say that
Tascams line amps and mic pre's were traditionally quite weak (ie
2500, 3500, 3700 consoles)..
David.
Gantt Kushner wrote:
> How are the Tascam mic pres?
>
> Gantt
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I'll plug Mike Ofca again. If you want to see, and hear the DM 3200, it's
>>in the back ground of Mike's video. Check it out.
>>
>>http://www.mikeofca.com/
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>And the DM2000 can act as the control surface for all the major DAW's?
>>>
>>>
>>>The Tascam DM-3200 and DM 4800 does also. The Tascam will give you 32
>
> ins
>
>>>and 32 outs at up to 24bit 96K to your computer with the FireWire interface
>>>card. That's one cable connected to your computer! You can cascade/expand
>>>the system with a second mixer, that's 50 touch-sensitive motorized faders
>>>of daw control, plus the Channel Strip and all the encoders. Check out
>
> the
>
>>>video!
>>>
>>>It serves as your audio interface, DAW controller/transport control, mixer,
>>>cue system, TC Reverbs, 4-band EQ, compression and gating on each channel,
>>>mic pres, inserts and line inputs per ch., with total flexible routing.
>>
>>>It's a powerful piece of equipment that can replace a lot of pieces of
>
> equipment.
>
>>>
>>>You can get a new Tascam DM-3200 for under $2500.00, and a new DM 4800
>
> for
>
>>>under 4K. I think the price is hard to beat!
>>>
>>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>>
>>>James
>>>P.S. I'm not a Tascam dealer.
>>>
>>>
>>>>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And withthe
>>>>>Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 & LA2a
>>
>>comps
>>
>>>>>and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
>>>>>
>>>>>But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice mixer
>
> as
>
>>>>well,
>>>>
>>>>>and sounds good..
>>>>>
>>>>
>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82011 is a reply to message #82006] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 08:52 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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I've heard that they are decent, but I don't have first hand experience with
them. I know that the original DM-24 did not have the head room the new
ones do. For a while Tascam offered an mic pre upgrade for the DM-24. The
DM-32 and DM-48 are supposed to be greatly improved. The only way for you
to really know is to go listen to them yourself.
I believe some guy's here are using the Tascam control surfaces and I thought
they said they liked the mic pres on those. I don't know that they are the
same though.
You could try emailing Mike Ofca for an opinion. You could also go on the
the Tascam news group and see what people have to say. There are also reviews
online for the DM-3200. Mic pres are subjective so your back to your ears.
Mike's studio page has his contacts if you want to email him: http://www.innovationstudios.net/
Tascam forums
http://www.tascamforums.com/
James
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>How are the Tascam mic pres?
>
>Gantt
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'll plug Mike Ofca again. If you want to see, and hear the DM 3200, it's
>>in the back ground of Mike's video. Check it out.
>>
>>http://www.mikeofca.com/
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>And the DM2000 can act as the control surface for all the major DAW's?
>>>
>>>
>>>The Tascam DM-3200 and DM 4800 does also. The Tascam will give you 32
>ins
>>>and 32 outs at up to 24bit 96K to your computer with the FireWire interface
>>>card. That's one cable connected to your computer! You can cascade/expand
>>>the system with a second mixer, that's 50 touch-sensitive motorized faders
>>>of daw control, plus the Channel Strip and all the encoders. Check out
>the
>>>video!
>>>
>>>It serves as your audio interface, DAW controller/transport control, mixer,
>>>cue system, TC Reverbs, 4-band EQ, compression and gating on each channel,
>>>mic pres, inserts and line inputs per ch., with total flexible routing.
>>
>>>It's a powerful piece of equipment that can replace a lot of pieces of
>equipment.
>>>
>>>
>>>You can get a new Tascam DM-3200 for under $2500.00, and a new DM 4800
>for
>>>under 4K. I think the price is hard to beat!
>>>
>>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>>
>>>James
>>>P.S. I'm not a Tascam dealer.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And
withthe
>>>>>Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 & LA2a
>>comps
>>>>>and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
>>>>>
>>>>>But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice mixer
>as
>>>>well,
>>>>>and sounds good..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82013 is a reply to message #82010] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 08:54 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>While I have NOT tried the newer crop of mic pre's, I have to say that
>Tascams line amps and mic pre's were traditionally quite weak (ie
>2500, 3500, 3700 consoles)..
>
>David.
That was the 80s and early 90s. Gotta use you ears now.
>
>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>> How are the Tascam mic pres?
>>
>> Gantt
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'll plug Mike Ofca again. If you want to see, and hear the DM 3200,
it's
>>>in the back ground of Mike's video. Check it out.
>>>
>>>http://www.mikeofca.com/
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>And the DM2000 can act as the control surface for all the major DAW's?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Tascam DM-3200 and DM 4800 does also. The Tascam will give you 32
>>
>> ins
>>
>>>>and 32 outs at up to 24bit 96K to your computer with the FireWire interface
>>>>card. That's one cable connected to your computer! You can cascade/expand
>>>>the system with a second mixer, that's 50 touch-sensitive motorized faders
>>>>of daw control, plus the Channel Strip and all the encoders. Check out
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>video!
>>>>
>>>>It serves as your audio interface, DAW controller/transport control,
mixer,
>>>>cue system, TC Reverbs, 4-band EQ, compression and gating on each channel,
>>>>mic pres, inserts and line inputs per ch., with total flexible routing.
>>>
>>>>It's a powerful piece of equipment that can replace a lot of pieces of
>>
>> equipment.
>>
>>>>
>>>>You can get a new Tascam DM-3200 for under $2500.00, and a new DM 4800
>>
>> for
>>
>>>>under 4K. I think the price is hard to beat!
>>>>
>>>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>P.S. I'm not a Tascam dealer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And
withthe
>>>>>>Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 & LA2a
>>>
>>>comps
>>>
>>>>>>and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice mixer
>>
>> as
>>
>>>>>well,
>>>>>
>>>>>>and sounds good..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82014 is a reply to message #82006] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 08:54 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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At $4k for their big console as James describes, I donm't think
I'd do it... for a few "k" more you can dig up an old 24 or
36 channel Trident Series 24 somewhere. No automation, no DAW
control, but they sound f-ing great and your potenital clientele
won't be likely to think: "ewww, I'm going to record through a
TASCAM???"
Neil
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>How are the Tascam mic pres?
>
>Gantt
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'll plug Mike Ofca again. If you want to see, and hear the DM 3200, it's
>>in the back ground of Mike's video. Check it out.
>>
>>http://www.mikeofca.com/
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>And the DM2000 can act as the control surface for all the major DAW's?
>>>
>>>
>>>The Tascam DM-3200 and DM 4800 does also. The Tascam will give you 32
>ins
>>>and 32 outs at up to 24bit 96K to your computer with the FireWire interface
>>>card. That's one cable connected to your computer! You can cascade/expand
>>>the system with a second mixer, that's 50 touch-sensitive motorized faders
>>>of daw control, plus the Channel Strip and all the encoders. Check out
>the
>>>video!
>>>
>>>It serves as your audio interface, DAW controller/transport control, mixer,
>>>cue system, TC Reverbs, 4-band EQ, compression and gating on each channel,
>>>mic pres, inserts and line inputs per ch., with total flexible routing.
>>
>>>It's a powerful piece of equipment that can replace a lot of pieces of
>equipment.
>>>
>>>
>>>You can get a new Tascam DM-3200 for under $2500.00, and a new DM 4800
>for
>>>under 4K. I think the price is hard to beat!
>>>
>>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>>
>>>James
>>>P.S. I'm not a Tascam dealer.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And
withthe
>>>>>Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 & LA2a
>>comps
>>>>>and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
>>>>>
>>>>>But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice mixer
>as
>>>>well,
>>>>>and sounds good..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82015 is a reply to message #82014] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 08:19 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Tascam always amazes me at what they miss... take the *NEW* 48 track
for instance:
http://www.tascam.com/Products/x48.html
A Built-in 80GB drive!
<shaking head>
David.
Yes, we are a Tascam dealer...
Neil wrote:
> At $4k for their big console as James describes, I donm't think
> I'd do it... for a few "k" more you can dig up an old 24 or
> 36 channel Trident Series 24 somewhere. No automation, no DAW
> control, but they sound f-ing great and your potenital clientele
> won't be likely to think: "ewww, I'm going to record through a
> TASCAM???"
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>How are the Tascam mic pres?
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'll plug Mike Ofca again. If you want to see, and hear the DM 3200, it's
>>>in the back ground of Mike's video. Check it out.
>>>
>>>http://www.mikeofca.com/
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>And the DM2000 can act as the control surface for all the major DAW's?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Tascam DM-3200 and DM 4800 does also. The Tascam will give you 32
>>
>>ins
>>
>>>>and 32 outs at up to 24bit 96K to your computer with the FireWire interface
>>>>card. That's one cable connected to your computer! You can cascade/expand
>>>>the system with a second mixer, that's 50 touch-sensitive motorized faders
>>>>of daw control, plus the Channel Strip and all the encoders. Check out
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>video!
>>>>
>>>>It serves as your audio interface, DAW controller/transport control, mixer,
>>>>cue system, TC Reverbs, 4-band EQ, compression and gating on each channel,
>>>>mic pres, inserts and line inputs per ch., with total flexible routing.
>>>
>>>>It's a powerful piece of equipment that can replace a lot of pieces of
>>
>>equipment.
>>
>>>>
>>>>You can get a new Tascam DM-3200 for under $2500.00, and a new DM 4800
>>
>>for
>>
>>>>under 4K. I think the price is hard to beat!
>>>>
>>>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>P.S. I'm not a Tascam dealer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And
>
> withthe
>
>>>>>>Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 & LA2a
>>>
>>>comps
>>>
>>>>>>and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice mixer
>>
>>as
>>
>>>>>well,
>>>>>
>>>>>>and sounds good..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82017 is a reply to message #82015] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 08:30 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hi,
I was just at the NSCA trade show and got about 15 contractor types
lined up for ADK machines because of the Tascam X-48 some had paid in
full of put deposits down on unit close to 2 years now. ha
Tascam wasn't even there at the show. not a good sign sense that is a
huge part of their market at this point.
Chris
Chris
EK Sound wrote:
> Tascam always amazes me at what they miss... take the *NEW* 48 track for
> instance:
>
> http://www.tascam.com/Products/x48.html
>
> A Built-in 80GB drive!
>
> <shaking head>
>
> David.
> Yes, we are a Tascam dealer...
>
> Neil wrote:
>> At $4k for their big console as James describes, I donm't think
>> I'd do it... for a few "k" more you can dig up an old 24 or
>> 36 channel Trident Series 24 somewhere. No automation, no DAW
>> control, but they sound f-ing great and your potenital clientele
>> won't be likely to think: "ewww, I'm going to record through a
>> TASCAM???"
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> How are the Tascam mic pres?
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll plug Mike Ofca again. If you want to see, and hear the DM
>>>> 3200, it's
>>>> in the back ground of Mike's video. Check it out.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mikeofca.com/
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And the DM2000 can act as the control surface for all the major
>>>>>> DAW's?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Tascam DM-3200 and DM 4800 does also. The Tascam will give you 32
>>>
>>> ins
>>>
>>>>> and 32 outs at up to 24bit 96K to your computer with the FireWire
>>>>> interface
>>>>> card. That's one cable connected to your computer! You can
>>>>> cascade/expand
>>>>> the system with a second mixer, that's 50 touch-sensitive motorized
>>>>> faders
>>>>> of daw control, plus the Channel Strip and all the encoders. Check out
>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>> video!
>>>>>
>>>>> It serves as your audio interface, DAW controller/transport
>>>>> control, mixer,
>>>>> cue system, TC Reverbs, 4-band EQ, compression and gating on each
>>>>> channel,
>>>>> mic pres, inserts and line inputs per ch., with total flexible
>>>>> routing.
>>>>
>>>>> It's a powerful piece of equipment that can replace a lot of pieces of
>>>
>>> equipment.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can get a new Tascam DM-3200 for under $2500.00, and a new DM 4800
>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>>> under 4K. I think the price is hard to beat!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>> P.S. I'm not a Tascam dealer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And
>>
>> withthe
>>
>>>>>>> Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 &
>>>>>>> LA2a
>>>>
>>>> comps
>>>>
>>>>>>> and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice mixer
>>>
>>> as
>>>
>>>>>> well,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and sounds good..
>>>>>>
>>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82019 is a reply to message #82014] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 09:35 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>At $4k for their big console as James describes, I donm't think
>I'd do it... for a few "k" more you can dig up an old 24 or
>36 channel Trident Series 24 somewhere. No automation, no DAW
>control, but they sound f-ing great and your potenital clientele
>won't be likely to think: "ewww, I'm going to record through a
>TASCAM???"
>
>Neil
>
Yes, the name isn't top shelf.
That is the problem with the biz. So you aren't shit unless you got an SSL
and a full blown ProTools system. I guess it depends on what you want to
do. A lot comes down to engineering skills.
Right now nothing in the market does what the Tascam does for the money.
I think it should be listened to first before it's completely dismissed.
I'm sure you can get some good work done on the Tascam. For any thing critical,
most would use an out board mic pre. With the Tascam, you could save a lot
of money to buy high end mic pres.
There are still guys running studios with Mackies and Adats that are making
money. I wouldn't do it but we are all on different levels.
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>How are the Tascam mic pres?
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'll plug Mike Ofca again. If you want to see, and hear the DM 3200,
it's
>>>in the back ground of Mike's video. Check it out.
>>>
>>>http://www.mikeofca.com/
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>And the DM2000 can act as the control surface for all the major DAW's?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Tascam DM-3200 and DM 4800 does also. The Tascam will give you 32
>>ins
>>>>and 32 outs at up to 24bit 96K to your computer with the FireWire interface
>>>>card. That's one cable connected to your computer! You can cascade/expand
>>>>the system with a second mixer, that's 50 touch-sensitive motorized faders
>>>>of daw control, plus the Channel Strip and all the encoders. Check out
>>the
>>>>video!
>>>>
>>>>It serves as your audio interface, DAW controller/transport control,
mixer,
>>>>cue system, TC Reverbs, 4-band EQ, compression and gating on each channel,
>>>>mic pres, inserts and line inputs per ch., with total flexible routing.
>>>
>>>>It's a powerful piece of equipment that can replace a lot of pieces of
>>equipment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You can get a new Tascam DM-3200 for under $2500.00, and a new DM 4800
>>for
>>>>under 4K. I think the price is hard to beat!
>>>>
>>>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>P.S. I'm not a Tascam dealer.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And
>withthe
>>>>>>Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 & LA2a
>>>comps
>>>>>>and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice mixer
>>as
>>>>>well,
>>>>>>and sounds good..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82022 is a reply to message #82017] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 09:00 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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There is one company spiraling out of control if ever I saw one...
They showed at NAMM, but not a working unit.
David.
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was just at the NSCA trade show and got about 15 contractor types
> lined up for ADK machines because of the Tascam X-48 some had paid in
> full of put deposits down on unit close to 2 years now. ha
> Tascam wasn't even there at the show. not a good sign sense that is a
> huge part of their market at this point.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Chris
>
> EK Sound wrote:
>
>> Tascam always amazes me at what they miss... take the *NEW* 48 track
>> for instance:
>>
>> http://www.tascam.com/Products/x48.html
>>
>> A Built-in 80GB drive!
>>
>> <shaking head>
>>
>> David.
>> Yes, we are a Tascam dealer...
>>
>> Neil wrote:
>>
>>> At $4k for their big console as James describes, I donm't think
>>> I'd do it... for a few "k" more you can dig up an old 24 or
>>> 36 channel Trident Series 24 somewhere. No automation, no DAW
>>> control, but they sound f-ing great and your potenital clientele
>>> won't be likely to think: "ewww, I'm going to record through a
>>> TASCAM???"
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How are the Tascam mic pres?
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll plug Mike Ofca again. If you want to see, and hear the DM
>>>>> 3200, it's
>>>>> in the back ground of Mike's video. Check it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.mikeofca.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the DM2000 can act as the control surface for all the major
>>>>>>> DAW's?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Tascam DM-3200 and DM 4800 does also. The Tascam will give
>>>>>> you 32
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ins
>>>>
>>>>>> and 32 outs at up to 24bit 96K to your computer with the FireWire
>>>>>> interface
>>>>>> card. That's one cable connected to your computer! You can
>>>>>> cascade/expand
>>>>>> the system with a second mixer, that's 50 touch-sensitive
>>>>>> motorized faders
>>>>>> of daw control, plus the Channel Strip and all the encoders. Check
>>>>>> out
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> video!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It serves as your audio interface, DAW controller/transport
>>>>>> control, mixer,
>>>>>> cue system, TC Reverbs, 4-band EQ, compression and gating on each
>>>>>> channel,
>>>>>> mic pres, inserts and line inputs per ch., with total flexible
>>>>>> routing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a powerful piece of equipment that can replace a lot of
>>>>>> pieces of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> equipment.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can get a new Tascam DM-3200 for under $2500.00, and a new DM
>>>>>> 4800
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>>> under 4K. I think the price is hard to beat!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>> P.S. I'm not a Tascam dealer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The DM 2000 mic pre's are in a different league than the 02R96. And
>>>
>>>
>>> withthe
>>>
>>>>>>>> Version 2 software upgrade, you get vintage neve EQs, UAD 1176 &
>>>>>>>> LA2a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> comps
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and an Tape saturator plugins. They sound wonderful..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, like James M stated, the Tascam for around 5k is a a nice
>>>>>>>> mixer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>>>> well,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and sounds good..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82038 is a reply to message #82019] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 13:50 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>That is the problem with the biz. So you aren't shit unless >you got an
SSL and a full blown ProTools system.
Did I say an SSL? No, I suggested an older lower-range Trident;
it's going to sound a fuckload better from input to mixdown than,
any Tascam I've ever heard AND it's got a name people recognize
as being top-shelf.
>I guess it depends on what you want to do. A lot comes down to
>engineering skills.
1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
channel strips anyway.
2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
Isallimsayin.
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82048 is a reply to message #82038] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 16:31 |
duncan
Messages: 123
Registered: November 2006
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Senior Member |
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>
>1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
>most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
>channel strips anyway.
>
>2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
>room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
>an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
>aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
>your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
>
>Isallimsayin.
Yo, Mr Isallimsayin makes a good point here -- that a "console becomes
the focus of your room" is undeniably true. And the
brand-consciousness of the average Studio User is therefore likely to
undermine the joy of parking a "Yamaha DM-anything"" in the middle of
ones little World of Sound.
Which ain't to say that this console isn't a worthy piece of gear --
just that it lacks mojo.
Then again, this neo-Neve thing they're rolling out at $30k for 16
channels is an example of the opposite extreme -- jacking up the price
of something on account of whose name is tattooed on the side...
-- okay, I'll shut up now and let people who know more talk -- chas.
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82050 is a reply to message #82038] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 17:04 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"Neil" <oiUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>That is the problem with the biz. So you aren't shit unless >you got an
>SSL and a full blown ProTools system.
>
>Did I say an SSL? No, I suggested an older lower-range Trident;
>it's going to sound a fuckload better from input to mixdown than,
>any Tascam I've ever heard AND it's got a name people recognize
>as being top-shelf.
>
>>I guess it depends on what you want to do. A lot comes down to
>>engineering skills.
>
>1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
>most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
>channel strips anyway.
>
>2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
>room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
>an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
>aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
>your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
>
>Isallimsayin.
>
The SSL PT thing was a figure of speech, well maybe not. I have had people
actually say this many times. I guess my point is, it depends on what level
your on, and what you charge. I'm sure some people would not pay to record
in a Tascam room. I'm sure there are people that wouldn't record in Steinberg/RME
room either.
There is no substitute for good equipment. I just think you can get professional
results with some less expensive equipment. I think it's best to become
educated about a product and listen to it before writing it off because of
it's name. The mixes I'm heard from the Tascam do sound good. I'd like
to get some time in on one myself, but My Panasonic DA-7 MKII works for me
right now.
If you go back and look at my lust list, I have the Toft ADB, and the Neve
5088 listed. The Neve is an example of a different level.
It is my opinion that there is still a place in the studio for a mixer.
The whole ITB thing is over rated, with maybe the exception of Paris.
James
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82064 is a reply to message #82050] |
Sat, 24 March 2007 09:03 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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In my biz, I would not loose a client over these issues. They don't know what
neumann is, or pro tools, or any of that stuff and they don't really care.
They just want the jingle I produce to bring them more business. As far as
the bands, if you have a neumann in the studio and pro tools L.E. They usually
just say "Oh! you have pro tools and neumann mics... cool, I heard of them"
FWIW
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Neil" <oiUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>That is the problem with the biz. So you aren't shit unless >you got
an
>>SSL and a full blown ProTools system.
>>
>>Did I say an SSL? No, I suggested an older lower-range Trident;
>>it's going to sound a fuckload better from input to mixdown than,
>>any Tascam I've ever heard AND it's got a name people recognize
>>as being top-shelf.
>>
>>>I guess it depends on what you want to do. A lot comes down to
>>>engineering skills.
>>
>>1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
>>most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
>>channel strips anyway.
>>
>>2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
>>room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
>>an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
>>aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
>>your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
>>
>>Isallimsayin.
>>
>
>The SSL PT thing was a figure of speech, well maybe not. I have had people
>actually say this many times. I guess my point is, it depends on what level
>your on, and what you charge. I'm sure some people would not pay to record
>in a Tascam room. I'm sure there are people that wouldn't record in Steinberg/RME
>room either.
>
>There is no substitute for good equipment. I just think you can get professional
>results with some less expensive equipment. I think it's best to become
>educated about a product and listen to it before writing it off because
of
>it's name. The mixes I'm heard from the Tascam do sound good. I'd like
>to get some time in on one myself, but My Panasonic DA-7 MKII works for
me
>right now.
>
>If you go back and look at my lust list, I have the Toft ADB, and the Neve
>5088 listed. The Neve is an example of a different level.
>
>It is my opinion that there is still a place in the studio for a mixer.
>The whole ITB thing is over rated, with maybe the exception of Paris.
>
>James
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82068 is a reply to message #82064] |
Sat, 24 March 2007 09:57 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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True, in that sector of biz - jingle & ad agency clients - no
one cares about gear, they care about end product... let's face
it, though - most musicians are not that way... it's the reason
an Epiphone Les Paul Standard plays just as good and has just as
good of workmanship as a Gibson Les Paul Standard, but costs
about a fourth as much... Gibson is the aspiration brand, Epi
isn't.
So, yes, musicians care about the sound quality of the product
(sometimes LOL), but they also are more susceptible to being
brand-sensitive. Like I've said before, if you've got the
engineering chops, you can do a damn good recording with a
bunch of SM-57's & a Peavey console, but that isn't the point...
the point is this: if you choose to go with a console, it's not
just a sonic tool, it becomes the trademark of your studio.
Think about it... what do most people "oooh & ahh" about when
they walk into a room for the first time? Is it your $40k's
worth of vintage mic pres & compressors? No, it's the effen
console!
The console helps sell your studio, bottom line. Or, it can in
fact, hinder that process. And there's more to what I'm saying
than just the "brand hype" factor - Consider the fact that if
you convert from being a rack-based studio (with different
flavors of stand-alone mics pres, etc) to a console-based
one, then a lot of the time you end up with EVERYTHING running
through that console... your cues, your playback, your mix outs
to the Alesis Masterlink (or whatever you're using), that kick
drum going through the Neve-alike mic pre that you wouldn't
have EQ'ed before you had the desk, but now you have it so
you'll patch into channel 22's line-in & boost a little 4k
before you hit the convertors.
IOW, it really DOES become your sonic signature, so you may as
well get a damn good one that not only sounds great from
input to playback, but will also earn it's keep by helping to
bring you business even when it's just sitting there looking
impressive, flying it's brand flag for the potential clients
coming by to see the place.
Otherwise if you've got killer mic pres & outboard in sufficient
enough quantities to get the jobs done, you're probably better
off getting a small, inexpensive mixer just for monitoring &
keeping if off to the side so it's not the centerpiece.
Neil
"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>
>In my biz, I would not loose a client over these issues. They don't know
what
>neumann is, or pro tools, or any of that stuff and they don't really care.
>They just want the jingle I produce to bring them more business. As far
as
>the bands, if you have a neumann in the studio and pro tools L.E. They usually
>just say "Oh! you have pro tools and neumann mics... cool, I heard of them"
>FWIW
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Neil" <oiUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>That is the problem with the biz. So you aren't shit unless >you got
>an
>>>SSL and a full blown ProTools system.
>>>
>>>Did I say an SSL? No, I suggested an older lower-range Trident;
>>>it's going to sound a fuckload better from input to mixdown than,
>>>any Tascam I've ever heard AND it's got a name people recognize
>>>as being top-shelf.
>>>
>>>>I guess it depends on what you want to do. A lot comes down to
>>>>engineering skills.
>>>
>>>1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
>>>most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
>>>channel strips anyway.
>>>
>>>2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
>>>room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
>>>an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
>>>aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
>>>your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
>>>
>>>Isallimsayin.
>>>
>>
>>The SSL PT thing was a figure of speech, well maybe not. I have had people
>>actually say this many times. I guess my point is, it depends on what
level
>>your on, and what you charge. I'm sure some people would not pay to record
>>in a Tascam room. I'm sure there are people that wouldn't record in Steinberg/RME
>>room either.
>>
>>There is no substitute for good equipment. I just think you can get professional
>>results with some less expensive equipment. I think it's best to become
>>educated about a product and listen to it before writing it off because
>of
>>it's name. The mixes I'm heard from the Tascam do sound good. I'd like
>>to get some time in on one myself, but My Panasonic DA-7 MKII works for
>me
>>right now.
>>
>>If you go back and look at my lust list, I have the Toft ADB, and the Neve
>>5088 listed. The Neve is an example of a different level.
>>
>>It is my opinion that there is still a place in the studio for a mixer.
>
>>The whole ITB thing is over rated, with maybe the exception of Paris.
>>
>>James
>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82075 is a reply to message #82068] |
Sat, 24 March 2007 11:26 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>True, in that sector of biz - jingle & ad agency clients - no
>one cares about gear, they care about end product... let's face
>it, though - most musicians are not that way... it's the reason
>an Epiphone Les Paul Standard plays just as good and has just as
>good of workmanship as a Gibson Les Paul Standard, but costs
>about a fourth as much... Gibson is the aspiration brand, Epi
>isn't.
>
>So, yes, musicians care about the sound quality of the product
>(sometimes LOL), but they also are more susceptible to being
>brand-sensitive. Like I've said before, if you've got the
>engineering chops, you can do a damn good recording with a
>bunch of SM-57's & a Peavey console, but that isn't the point...
>the point is this: if you choose to go with a console, it's not
>just a sonic tool, it becomes the trademark of your studio.
>
>Think about it... what do most people "oooh & ahh" about when
>they walk into a room for the first time? Is it your $40k's
>worth of vintage mic pres & compressors? No, it's the effen
>console!
>
>The console helps sell your studio, bottom line. Or, it can in
>fact, hinder that process. And there's more to what I'm saying
>than just the "brand hype" factor - Consider the fact that if
>you convert from being a rack-based studio (with different
>flavors of stand-alone mics pres, etc) to a console-based
>one, then a lot of the time you end up with EVERYTHING running
>through that console... your cues, your playback, your mix outs
>to the Alesis Masterlink (or whatever you're using), that kick
>drum going through the Neve-alike mic pre that you wouldn't
>have EQ'ed before you had the desk, but now you have it so
>you'll patch into channel 22's line-in & boost a little 4k
>before you hit the convertors.
>IOW, it really DOES become your sonic signature, so you may as
>well get a damn good one that not only sounds great from
>input to playback, but will also earn it's keep by helping to
>bring you business even when it's just sitting there looking
>impressive, flying it's brand flag for the potential clients
>coming by to see the place.
>
>Otherwise if you've got killer mic pres & outboard in sufficient
>enough quantities to get the jobs done, you're probably better
>off getting a small, inexpensive mixer just for monitoring &
>keeping if off to the side so it's not the centerpiece.
>
>Neil
>
>
> "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>In my biz, I would not loose a client over these issues. They don't know
>what
>>neumann is, or pro tools, or any of that stuff and they don't really care.
>>They just want the jingle I produce to bring them more business. As far
>as
>>the bands, if you have a neumann in the studio and pro tools L.E. They
usually
>>just say "Oh! you have pro tools and neumann mics... cool, I heard of them"
>>FWIW
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Neil" <oiUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>That is the problem with the biz. So you aren't shit unless >you got
>>an
>>>>SSL and a full blown ProTools system.
>>>>
>>>>Did I say an SSL? No, I suggested an older lower-range Trident;
>>>>it's going to sound a fuckload better from input to mixdown than,
>>>>any Tascam I've ever heard AND it's got a name people recognize
>>>>as being top-shelf.
>>>>
>>>>>I guess it depends on what you want to do. A lot comes down to
>>>>>engineering skills.
>>>>
>>>>1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
>>>>most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
>>>>channel strips anyway.
>>>>
>>>>2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
>>>>room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
>>>>an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
>>>>aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
>>>>your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
>>>>
>>>>Isallimsayin.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The SSL PT thing was a figure of speech, well maybe not. I have had people
>>>actually say this many times. I guess my point is, it depends on what
>level
>>>your on, and what you charge. I'm sure some people would not pay to record
>>>in a Tascam room. I'm sure there are people that wouldn't record in Steinberg/RME
>>>room either.
>>>
>>>There is no substitute for good equipment. I just think you can get professional
>>>results with some less expensive equipment. I think it's best to become
>>>educated about a product and listen to it before writing it off because
>>of
>>>it's name. The mixes I'm heard from the Tascam do sound good. I'd like
>>>to get some time in on one myself, but My Panasonic DA-7 MKII works for
>>me
>>>right now.
>>>
>>>If you go back and look at my lust list, I have the Toft ADB, and the
Neve
>>>5088 listed. The Neve is an example of a different level.
>>>
>>>It is my opinion that there is still a place in the studio for a mixer.
>>
>>>The whole ITB thing is over rated, with maybe the exception of Paris.
>>>
>>>James
>>
>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82076 is a reply to message #82068] |
Sat, 24 March 2007 11:33 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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Neil, You hit the nail on the head in describing my situation. It isn't real
often my client comes to the studio but when they do, the first thing that
happens is they see a 10 ft console and there's a gasp and then they all
say the same thing as if they all belong to a club and were told at the last
meeting to say "Man, look at all them buttons, what do you do with all that?"
half the stuff in the console I rarely use anymore, but who wants to have
a big square hole in there console?
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>True, in that sector of biz - jingle & ad agency clients - no
>one cares about gear, they care about end product... let's face
>it, though - most musicians are not that way... it's the reason
>an Epiphone Les Paul Standard plays just as good and has just as
>good of workmanship as a Gibson Les Paul Standard, but costs
>about a fourth as much... Gibson is the aspiration brand, Epi
>isn't.
>
>So, yes, musicians care about the sound quality of the product
>(sometimes LOL), but they also are more susceptible to being
>brand-sensitive. Like I've said before, if you've got the
>engineering chops, you can do a damn good recording with a
>bunch of SM-57's & a Peavey console, but that isn't the point...
>the point is this: if you choose to go with a console, it's not
>just a sonic tool, it becomes the trademark of your studio.
>
>Think about it... what do most people "oooh & ahh" about when
>they walk into a room for the first time? Is it your $40k's
>worth of vintage mic pres & compressors? No, it's the effen
>console!
>
>The console helps sell your studio, bottom line. Or, it can in
>fact, hinder that process. And there's more to what I'm saying
>than just the "brand hype" factor - Consider the fact that if
>you convert from being a rack-based studio (with different
>flavors of stand-alone mics pres, etc) to a console-based
>one, then a lot of the time you end up with EVERYTHING running
>through that console... your cues, your playback, your mix outs
>to the Alesis Masterlink (or whatever you're using), that kick
>drum going through the Neve-alike mic pre that you wouldn't
>have EQ'ed before you had the desk, but now you have it so
>you'll patch into channel 22's line-in & boost a little 4k
>before you hit the convertors.
>IOW, it really DOES become your sonic signature, so you may as
>well get a damn good one that not only sounds great from
>input to playback, but will also earn it's keep by helping to
>bring you business even when it's just sitting there looking
>impressive, flying it's brand flag for the potential clients
>coming by to see the place.
>
>Otherwise if you've got killer mic pres & outboard in sufficient
>enough quantities to get the jobs done, you're probably better
>off getting a small, inexpensive mixer just for monitoring &
>keeping if off to the side so it's not the centerpiece.
>
>Neil
>
>
> "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>In my biz, I would not loose a client over these issues. They don't know
>what
>>neumann is, or pro tools, or any of that stuff and they don't really care.
>>They just want the jingle I produce to bring them more business. As far
>as
>>the bands, if you have a neumann in the studio and pro tools L.E. They
usually
>>just say "Oh! you have pro tools and neumann mics... cool, I heard of them"
>>FWIW
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Neil" <oiUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>That is the problem with the biz. So you aren't shit unless >you got
>>an
>>>>SSL and a full blown ProTools system.
>>>>
>>>>Did I say an SSL? No, I suggested an older lower-range Trident;
>>>>it's going to sound a fuckload better from input to mixdown than,
>>>>any Tascam I've ever heard AND it's got a name people recognize
>>>>as being top-shelf.
>>>>
>>>>>I guess it depends on what you want to do. A lot comes down to
>>>>>engineering skills.
>>>>
>>>>1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
>>>>most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
>>>>channel strips anyway.
>>>>
>>>>2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
>>>>room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
>>>>an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
>>>>aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
>>>>your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
>>>>
>>>>Isallimsayin.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The SSL PT thing was a figure of speech, well maybe not. I have had people
>>>actually say this many times. I guess my point is, it depends on what
>level
>>>your on, and what you charge. I'm sure some people would not pay to record
>>>in a Tascam room. I'm sure there are people that wouldn't record in Steinberg/RME
>>>room either.
>>>
>>>There is no substitute for good equipment. I just think you can get professional
>>>results with some less expensive equipment. I think it's best to become
>>>educated about a product and listen to it before writing it off because
>>of
>>>it's name. The mixes I'm heard from the Tascam do sound good. I'd like
>>>to get some time in on one myself, but My Panasonic DA-7 MKII works for
>>me
>>>right now.
>>>
>>>If you go back and look at my lust list, I have the Toft ADB, and the
Neve
>>>5088 listed. The Neve is an example of a different level.
>>>
>>>It is my opinion that there is still a place in the studio for a mixer.
>>
>>>The whole ITB thing is over rated, with maybe the exception of Paris.
>>>
>>>James
>>
>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82080 is a reply to message #82068] |
Sat, 24 March 2007 12:21 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Good points Neil..
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>True, in that sector of biz - jingle & ad agency clients - no
>one cares about gear, they care about end product... let's face
>it, though - most musicians are not that way... it's the reason
>an Epiphone Les Paul Standard plays just as good and has just as
>good of workmanship as a Gibson Les Paul Standard, but costs
>about a fourth as much... Gibson is the aspiration brand, Epi
>isn't.
>
>So, yes, musicians care about the sound quality of the product
>(sometimes LOL), but they also are more susceptible to being
>brand-sensitive. Like I've said before, if you've got the
>engineering chops, you can do a damn good recording with a
>bunch of SM-57's & a Peavey console, but that isn't the point...
>the point is this: if you choose to go with a console, it's not
>just a sonic tool, it becomes the trademark of your studio.
>
>Think about it... what do most people "oooh & ahh" about when
>they walk into a room for the first time? Is it your $40k's
>worth of vintage mic pres & compressors? No, it's the effen
>console!
>
>The console helps sell your studio, bottom line. Or, it can in
>fact, hinder that process. And there's more to what I'm saying
>than just the "brand hype" factor - Consider the fact that if
>you convert from being a rack-based studio (with different
>flavors of stand-alone mics pres, etc) to a console-based
>one, then a lot of the time you end up with EVERYTHING running
>through that console... your cues, your playback, your mix outs
>to the Alesis Masterlink (or whatever you're using), that kick
>drum going through the Neve-alike mic pre that you wouldn't
>have EQ'ed before you had the desk, but now you have it so
>you'll patch into channel 22's line-in & boost a little 4k
>before you hit the convertors.
>IOW, it really DOES become your sonic signature, so you may as
>well get a damn good one that not only sounds great from
>input to playback, but will also earn it's keep by helping to
>bring you business even when it's just sitting there looking
>impressive, flying it's brand flag for the potential clients
>coming by to see the place.
>
>Otherwise if you've got killer mic pres & outboard in sufficient
>enough quantities to get the jobs done, you're probably better
>off getting a small, inexpensive mixer just for monitoring &
>keeping if off to the side so it's not the centerpiece.
>
>Neil
>
>
> "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>In my biz, I would not loose a client over these issues. They don't know
>what
>>neumann is, or pro tools, or any of that stuff and they don't really care.
>>They just want the jingle I produce to bring them more business. As far
>as
>>the bands, if you have a neumann in the studio and pro tools L.E. They
usually
>>just say "Oh! you have pro tools and neumann mics... cool, I heard of them"
>>FWIW
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Neil" <oiUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>That is the problem with the biz. So you aren't shit unless >you got
>>an
>>>>SSL and a full blown ProTools system.
>>>>
>>>>Did I say an SSL? No, I suggested an older lower-range Trident;
>>>>it's going to sound a fuckload better from input to mixdown than,
>>>>any Tascam I've ever heard AND it's got a name people recognize
>>>>as being top-shelf.
>>>>
>>>>>I guess it depends on what you want to do. A lot comes down to
>>>>>engineering skills.
>>>>
>>>>1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
>>>>most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
>>>>channel strips anyway.
>>>>
>>>>2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
>>>>room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
>>>>an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
>>>>aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
>>>>your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
>>>>
>>>>Isallimsayin.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The SSL PT thing was a figure of speech, well maybe not. I have had people
>>>actually say this many times. I guess my point is, it depends on what
>level
>>>your on, and what you charge. I'm sure some people would not pay to record
>>>in a Tascam room. I'm sure there are people that wouldn't record in Steinberg/RME
>>>room either.
>>>
>>>There is no substitute for good equipment. I just think you can get professional
>>>results with some less expensive equipment. I think it's best to become
>>>educated about a product and listen to it before writing it off because
>>of
>>>it's name. The mixes I'm heard from the Tascam do sound good. I'd like
>>>to get some time in on one myself, but My Panasonic DA-7 MKII works for
>>me
>>>right now.
>>>
>>>If you go back and look at my lust list, I have the Toft ADB, and the
Neve
>>>5088 listed. The Neve is an example of a different level.
>>>
>>>It is my opinion that there is still a place in the studio for a mixer.
>>
>>>The whole ITB thing is over rated, with maybe the exception of Paris.
>>>
>>>James
>>
>
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| Re: Yammy DM2000-I'm gonna die!!!! [message #82100 is a reply to message #82068] |
Sun, 25 March 2007 06:59 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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This is a very good post, thanks.
T
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>True, in that sector of biz - jingle & ad agency clients - no
>one cares about gear, they care about end product... let's face
>it, though - most musicians are not that way... it's the reason
>an Epiphone Les Paul Standard plays just as good and has just as
>good of workmanship as a Gibson Les Paul Standard, but costs
>about a fourth as much... Gibson is the aspiration brand, Epi
>isn't.
>
>So, yes, musicians care about the sound quality of the product
>(sometimes LOL), but they also are more susceptible to being
>brand-sensitive. Like I've said before, if you've got the
>engineering chops, you can do a damn good recording with a
>bunch of SM-57's & a Peavey console, but that isn't the point...
>the point is this: if you choose to go with a console, it's not
>just a sonic tool, it becomes the trademark of your studio.
>
>Think about it... what do most people "oooh & ahh" about when
>they walk into a room for the first time? Is it your $40k's
>worth of vintage mic pres & compressors? No, it's the effen
>console!
>
>The console helps sell your studio, bottom line. Or, it can in
>fact, hinder that process. And there's more to what I'm saying
>than just the "brand hype" factor - Consider the fact that if
>you convert from being a rack-based studio (with different
>flavors of stand-alone mics pres, etc) to a console-based
>one, then a lot of the time you end up with EVERYTHING running
>through that console... your cues, your playback, your mix outs
>to the Alesis Masterlink (or whatever you're using), that kick
>drum going through the Neve-alike mic pre that you wouldn't
>have EQ'ed before you had the desk, but now you have it so
>you'll patch into channel 22's line-in & boost a little 4k
>before you hit the convertors.
>IOW, it really DOES become your sonic signature, so you may as
>well get a damn good one that not only sounds great from
>input to playback, but will also earn it's keep by helping to
>bring you business even when it's just sitting there looking
>impressive, flying it's brand flag for the potential clients
>coming by to see the place.
>
>Otherwise if you've got killer mic pres & outboard in sufficient
>enough quantities to get the jobs done, you're probably better
>off getting a small, inexpensive mixer just for monitoring &
>keeping if off to the side so it's not the centerpiece.
>
>Neil
>
>
> "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>In my biz, I would not loose a client over these issues. They don't know
>what
>>neumann is, or pro tools, or any of that stuff and they don't really care.
>>They just want the jingle I produce to bring them more business. As far
>as
>>the bands, if you have a neumann in the studio and pro tools L.E. They
usually
>>just say "Oh! you have pro tools and neumann mics... cool, I heard of them"
>>FWIW
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Neil" <oiUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>That is the problem with the biz. So you aren't shit unless >you got
>>an
>>>>SSL and a full blown ProTools system.
>>>>
>>>>Did I say an SSL? No, I suggested an older lower-range Trident;
>>>>it's going to sound a fuckload better from input to mixdown than,
>>>>any Tascam I've ever heard AND it's got a name people recognize
>>>>as being top-shelf.
>>>>
>>>>>I guess it depends on what you want to do. A lot comes down to
>>>>>engineering skills.
>>>>
>>>>1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
>>>>most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
>>>>channel strips anyway.
>>>>
>>>>2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
>>>>room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
>>>>an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
>>>>aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
>>>>your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
>>>>
>>>>Isallimsayin.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The SSL PT thing was a figure of speech, well maybe not. I have had people
>>>actually say this many times. I guess my point is, it depends on what
>level
>>>your on, and what you charge. I'm sure some people would not pay to record
>>>in a Tascam room. I'm sure there are people that wouldn't record in Steinberg/RME
>>>room either.
>>>
>>>There is no substitute for good equipment. I just think you can get professional
>>>results with some less expensive equipment. I think it's best to become
>>>educated about a product and listen to it before writing it off because
>>of
>>>it's name. The mixes I'm heard from the Tascam do sound good. I'd like
>>>to get some time in on one myself, but My Panasonic DA-7 MKII works for
>>me
>>>right now.
>>>
>>>If you go back and look at my lust list, I have the Toft ADB, and the
Neve
>>>5088 listed. The Neve is an example of a different level.
>>>
>>>It is my opinion that there is still a place in the studio for a mixer.
>>
>>>The whole ITB thing is over rated, with maybe the exception of Paris.
>>>
>>>James
>>
>
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