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| Re: Did you know that Paris DID and DOES THAT ?? [message #93247 is a reply to message #93246] |
Sat, 01 December 2007 18:04   |
Rod Lincoln
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Dimitrios
What your describing is no different than if you had a mixer of any kind
and lowered the master fader. Your end output is not clipping even though
you may be clipping at one of many places before that in the signal chain.
That's still not limiting, unless you want to call it that.
Granted, Paris handles this kind of gain staging really well, and is one
of the reasons I still use it.
Rod
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
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>Here is the conditions of my test.
>I am using the spdif out connected to Pulsar Scope spdif in and I am watching
>the digital meters of the Paris out.
>When using the 0 for Paris outputs there is a occasional digital clip.
>When lowering under 0, -0.3 then the digital over goes away.
>Now no matter how much you push the submixes into red ,nno matter how hard
>you push the indivindual tracks into red the digital clipping never shows
>in Pulsar.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
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>>Hey Chuck,
>>How come you offend my findings ?
>>Have you tried what I tried ?
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>>
>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>no, there is no limiter on the outputs
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Well,
>>>>I was suspecting that for a long time but now I am convinced that Paris
>>>has
>>>>a limiter in his outputs !!!!
>>>>Yes either the monitor outs or the LR outs have a limiter on its outputs
>>>>that does not let anything go beyond that !
>>>>I found that -0.7 was a safe margin at the main outs and no matter how
>>hard
>>>>I was driving the submixes and seprate cahnnels there were no overs !!
>>>>ou can see that on your mix that there is this chopped over waveform
!!
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>
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| Re: Did you know that Paris DID and DOES THAT ?? [message #93248 is a reply to message #93247] |
Sat, 01 December 2007 18:50 |
Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
Registered: August 2005
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Dear Rod,
As with analog mixers if you gain up channels you always have to lower your
main output to compensate.
In Paris leaving the out at -0.7 digital (always) no matter what you do with
your music you never clip it.
Your waveform though shows the clipping (cutting the edges of loud peaks),
so to me that sounds like a limiter !
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
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>Dimitrios
>What your describing is no different than if you had a mixer of any kind
>and lowered the master fader. Your end output is not clipping even though
>you may be clipping at one of many places before that in the signal chain.
>That's still not limiting, unless you want to call it that.
>Granted, Paris handles this kind of gain staging really well, and is one
>of the reasons I still use it.
>Rod
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Here is the conditions of my test.
>>I am using the spdif out connected to Pulsar Scope spdif in and I am watching
>>the digital meters of the Paris out.
>>When using the 0 for Paris outputs there is a occasional digital clip.
>>When lowering under 0, -0.3 then the digital over goes away.
>>Now no matter how much you push the submixes into red ,nno matter how hard
>>you push the indivindual tracks into red the digital clipping never shows
>>in Pulsar.
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey Chuck,
>>>How come you offend my findings ?
>>>Have you tried what I tried ?
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>no, there is no limiter on the outputs
>>>>
>>>>Chuck
>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Well,
>>>>>I was suspecting that for a long time but now I am convinced that Paris
>>>>has
>>>>>a limiter in his outputs !!!!
>>>>>Yes either the monitor outs or the LR outs have a limiter on its outputs
>>>>>that does not let anything go beyond that !
>>>>>I found that -0.7 was a safe margin at the main outs and no matter how
>>>hard
>>>>>I was driving the submixes and seprate cahnnels there were no overs
!!
>>>>>ou can see that on your mix that there is this chopped over waveform
>!!
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Did you know that Paris DID and DOES THAT ?? [message #93261 is a reply to message #93248] |
Sun, 02 December 2007 09:16 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
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Or it could simply be digital clipping that's being handled
well by the inputs of the Scope card... does it have a soft-
limit feature?
Neil
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
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>Dear Rod,
>As with analog mixers if you gain up channels you always have to lower your
>main output to compensate.
>In Paris leaving the out at -0.7 digital (always) no matter what you do
with
>your music you never clip it.
>Your waveform though shows the clipping (cutting the edges of loud peaks),
>so to me that sounds like a limiter !
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>Dimitrios
>>What your describing is no different than if you had a mixer of any kind
>>and lowered the master fader. Your end output is not clipping even though
>>you may be clipping at one of many places before that in the signal chain.
>>That's still not limiting, unless you want to call it that.
>>Granted, Paris handles this kind of gain staging really well, and is one
>>of the reasons I still use it.
>>Rod
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Here is the conditions of my test.
>>>I am using the spdif out connected to Pulsar Scope spdif in and I am watching
>>>the digital meters of the Paris out.
>>>When using the 0 for Paris outputs there is a occasional digital clip.
>>>When lowering under 0, -0.3 then the digital over goes away.
>>>Now no matter how much you push the submixes into red ,nno matter how
hard
>>>you push the indivindual tracks into red the digital clipping never shows
>>>in Pulsar.
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey Chuck,
>>>>How come you offend my findings ?
>>>>Have you tried what I tried ?
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>no, there is no limiter on the outputs
>>>>>
>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well,
>>>>>>I was suspecting that for a long time but now I am convinced that Paris
>>>>>has
>>>>>>a limiter in his outputs !!!!
>>>>>>Yes either the monitor outs or the LR outs have a limiter on its outputs
>>>>>>that does not let anything go beyond that !
>>>>>>I found that -0.7 was a safe margin at the main outs and no matter
how
>>>>hard
>>>>>>I was driving the submixes and seprate cahnnels there were no overs
>!!
>>>>>>ou can see that on your mix that there is this chopped over waveform
>>!!
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Did you know that Paris DID and DOES THAT ?? [message #93271 is a reply to message #93248] |
Sun, 02 December 2007 14:24 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
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I found this to be true as well, I mean the sawed off waves if you back down
the master fader when dumping a track
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
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>Dear Rod,
>As with analog mixers if you gain up channels you always have to lower your
>main output to compensate.
>In Paris leaving the out at -0.7 digital (always) no matter what you do
with
>your music you never clip it.
>Your waveform though shows the clipping (cutting the edges of loud peaks),
>so to me that sounds like a limiter !
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>Dimitrios
>>What your describing is no different than if you had a mixer of any kind
>>and lowered the master fader. Your end output is not clipping even though
>>you may be clipping at one of many places before that in the signal chain.
>>That's still not limiting, unless you want to call it that.
>>Granted, Paris handles this kind of gain staging really well, and is one
>>of the reasons I still use it.
>>Rod
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Here is the conditions of my test.
>>>I am using the spdif out connected to Pulsar Scope spdif in and I am watching
>>>the digital meters of the Paris out.
>>>When using the 0 for Paris outputs there is a occasional digital clip.
>>>When lowering under 0, -0.3 then the digital over goes away.
>>>Now no matter how much you push the submixes into red ,nno matter how
hard
>>>you push the indivindual tracks into red the digital clipping never shows
>>>in Pulsar.
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey Chuck,
>>>>How come you offend my findings ?
>>>>Have you tried what I tried ?
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>no, there is no limiter on the outputs
>>>>>
>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well,
>>>>>>I was suspecting that for a long time but now I am convinced that Paris
>>>>>has
>>>>>>a limiter in his outputs !!!!
>>>>>>Yes either the monitor outs or the LR outs have a limiter on its outputs
>>>>>>that does not let anything go beyond that !
>>>>>>I found that -0.7 was a safe margin at the main outs and no matter
how
>>>>hard
>>>>>>I was driving the submixes and seprate cahnnels there were no overs
>!!
>>>>>>ou can see that on your mix that there is this chopped over waveform
>>!!
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Did you know that Paris DID and DOES THAT ?? [message #93281 is a reply to message #93271] |
Sun, 02 December 2007 17:45 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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My understanding was that a flat top wav file is an indication of clipping,
not limiting. That doesn't mean that you'll never see flat top wav forms
when going through a limiter, but it means that if you're seeing that, you
need to adjust your limiter. ;o) A limiter is really just a compressor on
a certain setting, so fundamentally what you see should look like a compressor
has hit it, which basically means a nice curved wav file just like what you
started with, only louder, or at least with less dynamics.
For some reason the flat top wav files Paris creates don't sound like the
flat top wav files that other apps create. They don't sound harsh and distorted.
They just sound kinda louder and with some added harmonic richness, not entirely
dissimilar to if you overdrive an analog circuit, which also, especially
with transistors, tends to leave you with a flattish top on your file. This
is not compression/limiting however. It's just a form overdrive which "hurts"
less than other forms.
Functionally it's similar of course. Anything you do to a wav file will change
the original audio, and limiters can easily lose dynamics obviously. Gentle
overdrive can achieve the same end of increasing overall average amplitude
of the signal, but the trade off is different. Basically, with overdrive,
you keep the bulk of the original audio intact but just "completely lose"
some small sections at the peaks. With compression/limiting there is a greater
overall change to the sound (depending on settings and such) but you keep
the peaks intact, albeit at a lower level.
Horses for courses yada yada.
What Paris does isn't a limiter as I understand it, but it can, in effect,
fill the role of a limiter to an extent.
And the reason Chuck doubts your findings is that these claims have been
made previously, and Chuck knows the inner workings of Paris as well as anybody
here. He's looked through the internals of Paris code and can't see a limiter
anywhere. Unless there is a separate limiter hidden on the EDS card which
doesn't use any actual code from the Paris app, he's right. ;o) I'm pretty
sure he is, in fact, right. :o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
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>
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>I found this to be true as well, I mean the sawed off waves if you back
down
>the master fader when dumping a track
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Dear Rod,
>>As with analog mixers if you gain up channels you always have to lower
your
>>main output to compensate.
>>In Paris leaving the out at -0.7 digital (always) no matter what you do
>with
>>your music you never clip it.
>>Your waveform though shows the clipping (cutting the edges of loud peaks),
>>so to me that sounds like a limiter !
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Dimitrios
>>>What your describing is no different than if you had a mixer of any kind
>>>and lowered the master fader. Your end output is not clipping even though
>>>you may be clipping at one of many places before that in the signal chain.
>>>That's still not limiting, unless you want to call it that.
>>>Granted, Paris handles this kind of gain staging really well, and is one
>>>of the reasons I still use it.
>>>Rod
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Here is the conditions of my test.
>>>>I am using the spdif out connected to Pulsar Scope spdif in and I am
watching
>>>>the digital meters of the Paris out.
>>>>When using the 0 for Paris outputs there is a occasional digital clip.
>>>>When lowering under 0, -0.3 then the digital over goes away.
>>>>Now no matter how much you push the submixes into red ,nno matter how
>hard
>>>>you push the indivindual tracks into red the digital clipping never shows
>>>>in Pulsar.
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey Chuck,
>>>>>How come you offend my findings ?
>>>>>Have you tried what I tried ?
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>no, there is no limiter on the outputs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well,
>>>>>>>I was suspecting that for a long time but now I am convinced that
Paris
>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>a limiter in his outputs !!!!
>>>>>>>Yes either the monitor outs or the LR outs have a limiter on its outputs
>>>>>>>that does not let anything go beyond that !
>>>>>>>I found that -0.7 was a safe margin at the main outs and no matter
>how
>>>>>hard
>>>>>>>I was driving the submixes and seprate cahnnels there were no overs
>>!!
>>>>>>>ou can see that on your mix that there is this chopped over waveform
>>>!!
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Did you know that Paris DID and DOES THAT ?? [message #93283 is a reply to message #93281] |
Sun, 02 December 2007 17:56 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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But...from my observations, if you look at a compressed wave file that has
been compressed to say -.07dbfs, as an overall file, it will look like it's
been severely clipped.
If you go into sample level, you'll find that all the waveforms are nicely
rounded.
Don't forget, waveform graphics are just approximations, especially if your
viewing a large file as a whole.
Martin H
On 3/12/07 12:45 PM, in article 475351ab$1@linux, "Kim"
<hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> My understanding was that a flat top wav file is an indication of clipping,
> not limiting. That doesn't mean that you'll never see flat top wav forms
> when going through a limiter, but it means that if you're seeing that, you
> need to adjust your limiter. ;o) A limiter is really just a compressor on
> a certain setting, so fundamentally what you see should look like a compressor
> has hit it, which basically means a nice curved wav file just like what you
> started with, only louder, or at least with less dynamics.
>
> For some reason the flat top wav files Paris creates don't sound like the
> flat top wav files that other apps create. They don't sound harsh and
> distorted.
> They just sound kinda louder and with some added harmonic richness, not
> entirely
> dissimilar to if you overdrive an analog circuit, which also, especially
> with transistors, tends to leave you with a flattish top on your file. This
> is not compression/limiting however. It's just a form overdrive which "hurts"
> less than other forms.
>
> Functionally it's similar of course. Anything you do to a wav file will change
> the original audio, and limiters can easily lose dynamics obviously. Gentle
> overdrive can achieve the same end of increasing overall average amplitude
> of the signal, but the trade off is different. Basically, with overdrive,
> you keep the bulk of the original audio intact but just "completely lose"
> some small sections at the peaks. With compression/limiting there is a greater
> overall change to the sound (depending on settings and such) but you keep
> the peaks intact, albeit at a lower level.
>
> Horses for courses yada yada.
>
> What Paris does isn't a limiter as I understand it, but it can, in effect,
> fill the role of a limiter to an extent.
>
> And the reason Chuck doubts your findings is that these claims have been
> made previously, and Chuck knows the inner workings of Paris as well as
> anybody
> here. He's looked through the internals of Paris code and can't see a limiter
> anywhere. Unless there is a separate limiter hidden on the EDS card which
> doesn't use any actual code from the Paris app, he's right. ;o) I'm pretty
> sure he is, in fact, right. :o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I found this to be true as well, I mean the sawed off waves if you back
> down
>> the master fader when dumping a track
>>
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Rod,
>>> As with analog mixers if you gain up channels you always have to lower
> your
>>> main output to compensate.
>>> In Paris leaving the out at -0.7 digital (always) no matter what you do
>> with
>>> your music you never clip it.
>>> Your waveform though shows the clipping (cutting the edges of loud peaks),
>>> so to me that sounds like a limiter !
>>> Regards,
>>> Dimitrios
>>>
>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dimitrios
>>>> What your describing is no different than if you had a mixer of any kind
>>>> and lowered the master fader. Your end output is not clipping even though
>>>> you may be clipping at one of many places before that in the signal chain.
>>>> That's still not limiting, unless you want to call it that.
>>>> Granted, Paris handles this kind of gain staging really well, and is one
>>>> of the reasons I still use it.
>>>> Rod
>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the conditions of my test.
>>>>> I am using the spdif out connected to Pulsar Scope spdif in and I am
> watching
>>>>> the digital meters of the Paris out.
>>>>> When using the 0 for Paris outputs there is a occasional digital clip.
>>>>> When lowering under 0, -0.3 then the digital over goes away.
>>>>> Now no matter how much you push the submixes into red ,nno matter how
>> hard
>>>>> you push the indivindual tracks into red the digital clipping never shows
>>>>> in Pulsar.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Chuck,
>>>>>> How come you offend my findings ?
>>>>>> Have you tried what I tried ?
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no, there is no limiter on the outputs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well,
>>>>>>>> I was suspecting that for a long time but now I am convinced that
> Paris
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> a limiter in his outputs !!!!
>>>>>>>> Yes either the monitor outs or the LR outs have a limiter on its
>>>>>>>> outputs
>>>>>>>> that does not let anything go beyond that !
>>>>>>>> I found that -0.7 was a safe margin at the main outs and no matter
>> how
>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>> I was driving the submixes and seprate cahnnels there were no overs
>>> !!
>>>>>>>> ou can see that on your mix that there is this chopped over waveform
>>>> !!
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Did you know that Paris DID and DOES THAT ?? [message #93289 is a reply to message #93283] |
Sun, 02 December 2007 23:01 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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Your right Martin. Have you ever noticed that a clipped looking mix in Paris
(in the destructive editor) doesn't look nearly as clipped, or even clipped
at all, if you look at it in another app, like Wavelab. Good point
Rod
Martin Harrington <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>But...from my observations, if you look at a compressed wave file that has
>been compressed to say -.07dbfs, as an overall file, it will look like it's
>been severely clipped.
>If you go into sample level, you'll find that all the waveforms are nicely
>rounded.
>Don't forget, waveform graphics are just approximations, especially if your
>viewing a large file as a whole.
>Martin H
>
>
>On 3/12/07 12:45 PM, in article 475351ab$1@linux, "Kim"
><hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> My understanding was that a flat top wav file is an indication of clipping,
>> not limiting. That doesn't mean that you'll never see flat top wav forms
>> when going through a limiter, but it means that if you're seeing that,
you
>> need to adjust your limiter. ;o) A limiter is really just a compressor
on
>> a certain setting, so fundamentally what you see should look like a compressor
>> has hit it, which basically means a nice curved wav file just like what
you
>> started with, only louder, or at least with less dynamics.
>>
>> For some reason the flat top wav files Paris creates don't sound like
the
>> flat top wav files that other apps create. They don't sound harsh and
>> distorted.
>> They just sound kinda louder and with some added harmonic richness, not
>> entirely
>> dissimilar to if you overdrive an analog circuit, which also, especially
>> with transistors, tends to leave you with a flattish top on your file.
This
>> is not compression/limiting however. It's just a form overdrive which
"hurts"
>> less than other forms.
>>
>> Functionally it's similar of course. Anything you do to a wav file will
change
>> the original audio, and limiters can easily lose dynamics obviously. Gentle
>> overdrive can achieve the same end of increasing overall average amplitude
>> of the signal, but the trade off is different. Basically, with overdrive,
>> you keep the bulk of the original audio intact but just "completely lose"
>> some small sections at the peaks. With compression/limiting there is a
greater
>> overall change to the sound (depending on settings and such) but you keep
>> the peaks intact, albeit at a lower level.
>>
>> Horses for courses yada yada.
>>
>> What Paris does isn't a limiter as I understand it, but it can, in effect,
>> fill the role of a limiter to an extent.
>>
>> And the reason Chuck doubts your findings is that these claims have been
>> made previously, and Chuck knows the inner workings of Paris as well as
>> anybody
>> here. He's looked through the internals of Paris code and can't see a
limiter
>> anywhere. Unless there is a separate limiter hidden on the EDS card which
>> doesn't use any actual code from the Paris app, he's right. ;o) I'm pretty
>> sure he is, in fact, right. :o)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>> "Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I found this to be true as well, I mean the sawed off waves if you back
>> down
>>> the master fader when dumping a track
>>>
>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Rod,
>>>> As with analog mixers if you gain up channels you always have to lower
>> your
>>>> main output to compensate.
>>>> In Paris leaving the out at -0.7 digital (always) no matter what you
do
>>> with
>>>> your music you never clip it.
>>>> Your waveform though shows the clipping (cutting the edges of loud peaks),
>>>> so to me that sounds like a limiter !
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>> What your describing is no different than if you had a mixer of any
kind
>>>>> and lowered the master fader. Your end output is not clipping even
though
>>>>> you may be clipping at one of many places before that in the signal
chain.
>>>>> That's still not limiting, unless you want to call it that.
>>>>> Granted, Paris handles this kind of gain staging really well, and is
one
>>>>> of the reasons I still use it.
>>>>> Rod
>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the conditions of my test.
>>>>>> I am using the spdif out connected to Pulsar Scope spdif in and I
am
>> watching
>>>>>> the digital meters of the Paris out.
>>>>>> When using the 0 for Paris outputs there is a occasional digital clip.
>>>>>> When lowering under 0, -0.3 then the digital over goes away.
>>>>>> Now no matter how much you push the submixes into red ,nno matter
how
>>> hard
>>>>>> you push the indivindual tracks into red the digital clipping never
shows
>>>>>> in Pulsar.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Chuck,
>>>>>>> How come you offend my findings ?
>>>>>>> Have you tried what I tried ?
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no, there is no limiter on the outputs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well,
>>>>>>>>> I was suspecting that for a long time but now I am convinced that
>> Paris
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> a limiter in his outputs !!!!
>>>>>>>>> Yes either the monitor outs or the LR outs have a limiter on its
>>>>>>>>> outputs
>>>>>>>>> that does not let anything go beyond that !
>>>>>>>>> I found that -0.7 was a safe margin at the main outs and no matter
>>> how
>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>>> I was driving the submixes and seprate cahnnels there were no overs
>>>> !!
>>>>>>>>> ou can see that on your mix that there is this chopped over waveform
>>>>> !!
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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