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Kick mic [message #84901]

Mon, 21 May 2007 08:00

TCB
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Registered: July 2007

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Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?

TCB

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Re: Kick mic [message #84903 is a reply to message #84901]

Mon, 21 May 2007 08:23

dc[3]
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Hard to beat a D112. I also like Sennheiser 421's and they work in a lot
of other apps.

DC

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
>TCB

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Re: Kick mic [message #84905 is a reply to message #84901]

Mon, 21 May 2007 08:26

Neil
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"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?

Audix D6.

Neil

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Re: Kick mic [message #84907 is a reply to message #84901]

Mon, 21 May 2007 08:49

Paul Artola

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Registered: November 2005

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ElectroVoice RE-20 spoken here.

- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland

On 22 May 2007 01:00:21 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:

>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
>TCB

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Re: Kick mic [message #84908 is a reply to message #84901]

Mon, 21 May 2007 08:57

Rod Lincoln
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Registered: September 2005

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I really like the Shure Beta 52. D112's are great also though, and if you've
been happy with it, maybe you should just stay with that, unless you can
get a music store to loan you a couple to do a shootout.
Rod
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
>TCB

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Re: Kick mic [message #84910 is a reply to message #84901]

Mon, 21 May 2007 09:16

michael bliss
Messages: 61
Registered: September 2005

Member

I agree with the others, I love the Audix D6, nice punch from the start.The
Beta 52 worked great for me before, was the go-to mic, but needs to be placed
just right. Also I have used an RE-20 and a 421 with an LDC outside the Kick
with very nice results.. Not a big fan of the D112 myself.

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
>TCB

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Re: Kick mic [message #84911 is a reply to message #84901]

Mon, 21 May 2007 09:20

Wireline
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Registered: May 2007

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I'm partial to SM7s, EV RE11s, RE20s, or even a speaker used as a mic...D112s
sound fine, but to me they make all kicks sound pretty much the same...

Just another opinion.

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
>TCB

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Re: Kick mic [message #84914 is a reply to message #84901]

Mon, 21 May 2007 09:38

Deej [4]

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The Yamaha subkick would be something to consider. It has allowed me to
thwart smarmy mousse on a number of occasions and imparts massive grunt. The
ATM 25 also imparts a character that is subliminally deep hued , with
overtones of pungency without being inchoate..

;o)

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4651b405$1@linux...
>
> Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
> maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
> TCB

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Re: Kick mic [message #84915 is a reply to message #84911]

Mon, 21 May 2007 09:57

Rich[3]
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Registered: January 2006

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Are you just wireing up a speaker (like an 8") to an xlr and sending to a
pre?

"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>
>I'm partial to SM7s, EV RE11s, RE20s, or even a speaker used as a mic...D112s
>sound fine, but to me they make all kicks sound pretty much the same...
>
>Just another opinion.
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
its
>>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>
>>TCB
>

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Re: Kick mic [message #84916 is a reply to message #84915]

Mon, 21 May 2007 10:29

Wireline
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Registered: May 2007

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Sort of...I usually use a 10" bass speaker, but the principal is the same...I
made a cable with pos and neg to an XLR plug, then to pre

The same technique can be used for just about any low frequency source -
try it with a bass cab sometime - it will likely astound you!

"Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Are you just wireing up a speaker (like an 8") to an xlr and sending to
a
>pre?
>
>"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'm partial to SM7s, EV RE11s, RE20s, or even a speaker used as a mic...D112s
>>sound fine, but to me they make all kicks sound pretty much the same...
>>
>>Just another opinion.
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
>its
>>>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>>
>>>TCB
>>
>

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Re: Kick mic [message #84917 is a reply to message #84914]

Mon, 21 May 2007 10:44

michael bliss
Messages: 61
Registered: September 2005

Member

WOW, "inchoate"
now we have an inchoate mass of ideas on the subject.

"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>The Yamaha subkick would be something to consider. It has allowed me to

>thwart smarmy mousse on a number of occasions and imparts massive grunt.
The
>ATM 25 also imparts a character that is subliminally deep hued , with
>overtones of pungency without being inchoate..
>
>;o)
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4651b405$1@linux...
>>
>> Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
its
>> maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>
>> TCB
>
>

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Re: Kick mic [message #84919 is a reply to message #84916]

Mon, 21 May 2007 10:48

Dale

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Registered: September 2005

Member

Which XLR pins do you attach to pos & neg on spkr?

"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>
>Sort of...I usually use a 10" bass speaker, but the principal is the same...I
>made a cable with pos and neg to an XLR plug, then to pre
>
>The same technique can be used for just about any low frequency source -
>try it with a bass cab sometime - it will likely astound you!
>
>"Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Are you just wireing up a speaker (like an 8") to an xlr and sending to
>a
>>pre?
>>
>>"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm partial to SM7s, EV RE11s, RE20s, or even a speaker used as a mic...D112s
>>>sound fine, but to me they make all kicks sound pretty much the same...
>>>
>>>Just another opinion.
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
>>its
>>>>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>
>>
>

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Re: Kick mic [message #84922 is a reply to message #84919]

Mon, 21 May 2007 11:09

Wireline
Messages: 6
Registered: May 2007

Junior Member

Same as you would any other two wire (unbalanced) source, IE pin 2 hot pin
3 negative pin 1 unused...

"dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Which XLR pins do you attach to pos & neg on spkr?
>
>
>
>"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sort of...I usually use a 10" bass speaker, but the principal is the same...I
>>made a cable with pos and neg to an XLR plug, then to pre
>>
>>The same technique can be used for just about any low frequency source
-
>>try it with a bass cab sometime - it will likely astound you!
>>
>>"Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Are you just wireing up a speaker (like an 8") to an xlr and sending to
>>a
>>>pre?
>>>
>>>"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I'm partial to SM7s, EV RE11s, RE20s, or even a speaker used as a mic...D112s
>>>>sound fine, but to me they make all kicks sound pretty much the same...
>>>>
>>>>Just another opinion.
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
>>>its
>>>>>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Re: Kick mic [message #84923 is a reply to message #84901]

Mon, 21 May 2007 12:03

Gantt Kushner

Messages: 545
Registered: June 2006
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, ...

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I'm a die-hard RE-20 user w/ an occasional D12e for some extra "woomph".
I did use a buddy's Yamaha Sub-Kick once and it was very cool (in conjunction
w/ the RE-20).

gantt

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
>TCB

Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com

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Re: Kick mic [message #84926 is a reply to message #84916]

Mon, 21 May 2007 13:03

TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007

Senior Member

Hmmmm, we might actually try this. One of the Monkies is a dedicated tinkerer.
Do you have the speaker in a cab or do you just mount somehow so it's in
the air?

TCB

"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>
>Sort of...I usually use a 10" bass speaker, but the principal is the same...I
>made a cable with pos and neg to an XLR plug, then to pre
>
>The same technique can be used for just about any low frequency source -
>try it with a bass cab sometime - it will likely astound you!
>
>"Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Are you just wireing up a speaker (like an 8") to an xlr and sending to
>a
>>pre?
>>
>>"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm partial to SM7s, EV RE11s, RE20s, or even a speaker used as a mic...D112s
>>>sound fine, but to me they make all kicks sound pretty much the same...
>>>
>>>Just another opinion.
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
>>its
>>>>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>
>>
>

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Re: Kick mic [message #84947 is a reply to message #84901]

Mon, 21 May 2007 16:18

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

Depends.. what you after tone wise?
AA

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4651b405$1@linux...
>
> Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
> maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
> TCB

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Re: Kick mic [message #84949 is a reply to message #84947]

Mon, 21 May 2007 16:35

John Macy
Messages: 242
Registered: April 2006

Senior Member

My go to is a Beyer TGX50 (now the Opus 65) and
my custom painted, flamed Yamaha Subkick.... Got
way over the 112 years ago...

One of my fav studio drummers here got the Beyer and
now carries it to sessions...

"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Depends.. what you after tone wise?
>AA
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4651b405$1@linux...
>>
>> Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
its
>> maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>
>> TCB
>
>

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Re: Kick mic [message #84952 is a reply to message #84947]

Mon, 21 May 2007 17:02

TCB
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Registered: July 2007

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It's a power pop band, we're using a Yamaha Recording Custom kit, so a 22"
birch kick drum, Evans heads, I forget the line but they were at least expensive
so I hope they're good.

Because of the nature of the music there's a _lot_ going on almost all of
the time, so delivering a track that will cut through the mix is more important
than sonic realism. In the demo process I'm using far less overheads than
I usually do to get more of a tight, close mic'ed sound. Usually I try to
get the drums almost all of the way with just kick/snare/OHs but there's
just too much going on with these tracks.

I'm leaning toward getting another D112 just because I know it. Some of the
other mics here intrigue me, but I've heard of them many times before.

TCB

"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Depends.. what you after tone wise?
>AA
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4651b405$1@linux...
>>
>> Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
its
>> maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>
>> TCB
>
>

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Re: Kick mic [message #84956 is a reply to message #84952]

Mon, 21 May 2007 17:58

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4652330a$1@linux...
>
> It's a power pop band, we're using a Yamaha Recording Custom kit, so a 22"
> birch kick drum, Evans heads, I forget the line but they were at least
> expensive
> so I hope they're good.
>

EMAD? those rock. Love 'em. Will not use anything else anymore after
hearing what they do. Get the front and back heads, it matters. Keep your
mic hole in the front fairly small, just enough to breath if it doesn't come
pre cut. You'll get more bottom end the further out you get from the batter
head. Don't put the mic in the center, it'll phase out and sound bad.

> Because of the nature of the music there's a _lot_ going on almost all of
> the time, so delivering a track that will cut through the mix is more
> important
> than sonic realism. In the demo process I'm using far less overheads than
> I usually do to get more of a tight, close mic'ed sound. Usually I try to
> get the drums almost all of the way with just kick/snare/OHs but there's
> just too much going on with these tracks.

Beta 52 or Audix D6 is the ticket here... the 52 is more hyped and
requires less EQ to cut through and be big.

>
> I'm leaning toward getting another D112 just because I know it. Some of
> the
> other mics here intrigue me, but I've heard of them many times before.
>
> TCB
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Depends.. what you after tone wise?
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4651b405$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
> its
>>> maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>>
>>> TCB
>>
>>
>

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Re: Kick mic [message #84959 is a reply to message #84914]

Mon, 21 May 2007 18:01

Paul Braun

Messages: 391
Registered: September 2005

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On Mon, 21 May 2007 10:38:09 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:

>The Yamaha subkick would be something to consider. It has allowed me to
>thwart smarmy mousse on a number of occasions and imparts massive grunt. The
>ATM 25 also imparts a character that is subliminally deep hued , with
>overtones of pungency without being inchoate..
>

OK. If I ever start a rock band, I will either call it Smarmy Mousse
or Massive Grunt.

Haven't decided yet.

pab

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Re: Kick mic [message #84964 is a reply to message #84956]

Mon, 21 May 2007 19:44

michael bliss
Messages: 61
Registered: September 2005

Member

You should try the Audix D6...

> Because of the nature of the music there's a _lot_ going on almost all
of
> the time, so delivering a track that will cut through the mix is more
> important
> than sonic realism. In the demo process I'm using far less overheads than
> I usually do to get more of a tight, close mic'ed sound. Usually I try
to
> get the drums almost all of the way with just kick/snare/OHs but there's
> just too much going on with these tracks.

>Beta 52 or Audix D6 is the ticket here... the 52 is more hyped and
>requires less EQ to cut through and be big.

Either one of these are great. My last Soul/Funk album we used the Beta 52
and dug it a lot, we just had to move it around to find the sweet spot. This
new album, I decided to try a D6 that a friend had. I just stuck it in there
and this mic sounded great out of the box. Nice punch that sits well in the
mix. Now with my D6 and 52 I'm pretty much covered.

mb

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Re: Kick mic [message #84966 is a reply to message #84964]

Mon, 21 May 2007 19:46

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

MB, btw... that album sounded great man.

AA

"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:46525916$1@linux...
>
> You should try the Audix D6...
>
>> Because of the nature of the music there's a _lot_ going on almost all
> of
>> the time, so delivering a track that will cut through the mix is more
>> important
>> than sonic realism. In the demo process I'm using far less overheads than
>> I usually do to get more of a tight, close mic'ed sound. Usually I try
> to
>> get the drums almost all of the way with just kick/snare/OHs but there's
>> just too much going on with these tracks.
>
> >Beta 52 or Audix D6 is the ticket here... the 52 is more hyped and
>>requires less EQ to cut through and be big.
>
> Either one of these are great. My last Soul/Funk album we used the Beta 52
> and dug it a lot, we just had to move it around to find the sweet spot.
> This
> new album, I decided to try a D6 that a friend had. I just stuck it in
> there
> and this mic sounded great out of the box. Nice punch that sits well in
> the
> mix. Now with my D6 and 52 I'm pretty much covered.
>
> mb
>

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Re: Kick mic [message #84967 is a reply to message #84959]

Mon, 21 May 2007 19:53

michael bliss
Messages: 61
Registered: September 2005

Member

Lot's of great stuff in that post, DJ rules!!!

Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 21 May 2007 10:38:09 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
>wrote:
>
>>The Yamaha subkick would be something to consider. It has allowed me to

>>thwart smarmy mousse on a number of occasions and imparts massive grunt.
The
>>ATM 25 also imparts a character that is subliminally deep hued , with
>>overtones of pungency without being inchoate..
>>
>
>OK. If I ever start a rock band, I will either call it Smarmy Mousse
>or Massive Grunt.
>
>Haven't decided yet.
>
>pab

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Re: Kick mic [message #84969 is a reply to message #84966]

Mon, 21 May 2007 19:59

michael bliss
Messages: 61
Registered: September 2005

Member

thanks a lot Aaron appreciate it.
now if I could just get this new one done...

mb

"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>MB, btw... that album sounded great man.
>
>AA
>
>
>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:46525916$1@linux...
>>
>> You should try the Audix D6...
>>
>>> Because of the nature of the music there's a _lot_ going on almost all
>> of
>>> the time, so delivering a track that will cut through the mix is more
>>> important
>>> than sonic realism. In the demo process I'm using far less overheads
than
>>> I usually do to get more of a tight, close mic'ed sound. Usually I try
>> to
>>> get the drums almost all of the way with just kick/snare/OHs but there's
>>> just too much going on with these tracks.
>>
>> >Beta 52 or Audix D6 is the ticket here... the 52 is more hyped and
>>>requires less EQ to cut through and be big.
>>
>> Either one of these are great. My last Soul/Funk album we used the Beta
52
>> and dug it a lot, we just had to move it around to find the sweet spot.

>> This
>> new album, I decided to try a D6 that a friend had. I just stuck it in

>> there
>> and this mic sounded great out of the box. Nice punch that sits well in

>> the
>> mix. Now with my D6 and 52 I'm pretty much covered.
>>
>> mb
>>
>
>

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Re: Kick mic [message #85014 is a reply to message #84959]

Tue, 22 May 2007 18:42

Bill L

Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006

Senior Member

Massive Grunt is an incredibly funny band name. I can't stop laughing.
It coalesces images of orgasming teenagers and constipated senior
citizens. Hideously exquisite.

Isn't Massive Grunt the name of the Spinal Tap comeback album?

Bill

Paul Braun wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2007 10:38:09 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The Yamaha subkick would be something to consider. It has allowed me to
>> thwart smarmy mousse on a number of occasions and imparts massive grunt. The
>> ATM 25 also imparts a character that is subliminally deep hued , with
>> overtones of pungency without being inchoate..
>>
>
> OK. If I ever start a rock band, I will either call it Smarmy Mousse
> or Massive Grunt.
>
> Haven't decided yet.
>
> pab

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