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| Re: Wormhole and Paris update [message #57540 is a reply to message #57538] |
Fri, 02 September 2005 01:35   |
Kim
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market in gas guzzling trucks and refine it with expensive natural gas or
coal fired processing equipment and the process itself produces high levels
of carbon monoxide, as well as what are known as Volatile Organic Compounds
or VOCs. VOCs included formaldehyde and acetaldehyde, both of which are
known to cause cancer in animals.
Also, vehicles that use ethanol are marginally less fuel efficient that
those who run regular gasoline, though I don't think this particular aspect
of it would stop me, personally, if it was a dollar less per gallon.
The economics have changed now due to the fact that we no longer have the
refining capacity in this country or the oil production capability to keep
gas cheap any more and even if we started right now, we are 10 years
out........so now agribusiness is going to get the pork in the energy
budget. It's not going to help the family farmer much at all comparatively
speaking, unless he's got enough acreage to grow *lots* of corn......in
which case he will be an evil agribusinessman.
In 1997, the GAO issued a report that concluded that the ethanol subsidy
cost the federal treasury more than $7 billion since 1979 - more than $600
million in 1995 alone." the mega-giant corporation Archer Daniels Midland
stands accused of being the recipient of this vast corporate welfare scheme.
This ain't organic corn we're talking about either so it's going to get
hosed with chemical pesticides, big time, to keep yields high and, like the
MTBE's, this will leach into the water table.
Cool huh?
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4317eadc@linux...
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> Hehe... sorry, couldn't resist...
>
> ...and it is kinda probably true really...I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The middle would
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| Re: Wormhole and Paris update [message #57582 is a reply to message #57572] |
Fri, 02 September 2005 15:37 |
espresso
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4;animas.net" target="_blank">animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
>> >> >> >stereotyped for not automatically assuming that every anti-industry
>> >> >> >viewpoint is valid, then so be it......again no apologies. I do
>> >question
>> >> >> >both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might
>discover
>> >> >that
>> >> >> >I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the
>least
>> >> >> >dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the
>middle
>> >> >that
>> >> >> >looks reasonable to me.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"JimT" <JT@sansun.com> wrote in message news:43174724$1@linux...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> No disrespect intended DJ, but your response just reinforced the
>> >> >> >stereotype
>> >> >> >> of someone who works in the industry.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >news:43171cbd$1@linux...
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Has anyone noticed that after working five years on the new
>White
>> >> >House
>> >> >> >> >sponsored
>> >> >> >> >> energy bill, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that fails to
>reduce
>> >> >> >> >America's
>> >> >> >> >> dependence on oil, fails to address the threat of global
>warming,
>> >> >fails
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> make any significant new investments in clean energy, and
>fails
>> >to
>> >> >help
>> >> >> >> >consumers
>> >> >> >> >> at the gas pump.
>> >> >> >> >> What it did do includes:
>> >> >> >> >> Grants the oil and gas industries an exemption for their
>> >> >construction
>> >> >> >> >activities
>> >> >> >> >> from compliance with Clean Water Act.
>> >> >> >> >> Increases America's oil dependence by 130,000 barrels of oil
>per
>> >day
>> >> >in
>> >> >> >> >2014
>> >> >> >> >> through extending the 'dual-fuel' loophole.
>> >> >> >> >> Authorized billions in new subsidies to the oil industry. (Who
>> >are
>> >> >all
>> >> >> >> >showing
>> >> >> >> >> record profits without the government bonuses.)
>> >> >> >> >> Give away billions in unrelated pork fat. (The biggest
>giveaway
>> >of
>> >> >all
>> >> >> >> >time.)
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The list of pork fat is too long and too funny for me to list
>but
>> >my
>> >> >> >> >personal
>> >> >> >> >> favorites are:
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| Re: Wormhole and Paris update [message #57640 is a reply to message #57582] |
Sat, 03 September 2005 01:13 |
Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
Registered: August 2005
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#64;animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Hmmmm........I agree with the 40 centuries thing. As for the lying, maybe
>we
>> >should look at who was doing the lying......like the UN, the French,
>Sadaam,
>> >quite a few scumbags of various ilk here and in other countries,
>including
>> >our own Oscar Wyatt of Coastal Energy and ol' whatsisname who never had
>> >sexual relations with that woman........ depending on what the meaning of
>> >"is" is, of course, his criminal buddy Mark Rich whom he pardoned and
>whose
>> >wife is Hilary's good buddy.......and so on. If Mr. Bill would have been
>> >minding the store, there wouldn't have been a Sadaam or any of this Iraq
>> >crap now because he could have attended to it through the UN
>(theoretically)
>> >before the was was so conveniently forgotten and Sadaam had a chance to
>> >bribe his way out of the sanctions.
>> >
>> >
>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:2onhh1dlam54a0u1i9t7g64rbcfjspl94m@4ax.com...
>> >> true, cuz they felt the whatever right would never lie to them. hey,
>> >> everybody lies about everything if they see a big enough benefit for
>> >> themselves for whatever reason...and i gots 40 centuries of history on
>> >> my side for this statement.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:33:20 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I agree.....and because the middle did nothing, the war that started
>in
>> >1991
>> >> >never ended.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:26ahh19c5chmg8si9bhcluuakm6ibg3eo6@4ax.com...
>> >> >> first, we don't have the manpower to pull off what would be need to
>be
>> >> >> done.
>> >> >> second, we'd have to lose the "nice guy" approach to a war of this
>> >> >> kind.
>> >> >> third, i believe all sides have the not only the right but the duty
>to
>> >> >> speak up. imho, it's when the middle says and does nothing is when
>> >> >> you get a sadam or hitler...cuz it's only the extremes who do all
>the
>> >> >> talking and taking.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:41:22 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >It's certainly looking that way isn't it?........and this is
>because
>> >of
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >*middle* I was talking about. We don't have the balls to stand up
>and
>> >> >fight
>> >> >> >anymore and the enemies of this country know that all they need to
>do
>> >is
>> >> >> >wait for the leftists to get their various *activist movements* in
>> >gear
>> >> >and
>> >> >> >undermine the military effort while spouting off their
>quasitreasonous
>> >> >crap
>> >> >> >while wrapping it in pseudopatriotic bullshit.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >It's as predictable as the sun rising and setting.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:bssgh1pu1n27anqr51elceg798jqjcdggq@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> but we are fighting a half assed war in a half assed fashion just
>as
>> >> >> >> we did in vietnam.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:14:46 -0600, "DJ"
>> >> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >I agree with you. It's
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