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Wed, 01 October 2008 13:23  |
Kateeba
Messages: 76
Registered: August 2005
Location: Hamden, Connecticut
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Here's the deal: I record myself in Paris alot playing my trumpet. I use
a Beyer 260 ribbon mic that was worked on by Steve Sank. He put a 77-DX
ribbon in it to make it sound more like the vintage RCA 77-DX. He also modified
my Apex 107 preamp to sound much quieter and beef it up (but not the gain).
It all sounds really good.
One of my problems with recording myself though, is I really can't just close
my eyes and play. I watch the input levels in Paris and move myself back
a little from the mic when I am going to play louder, and move closer when
I play soft and whisper. Watching the levels guides me so I not only don't
get too many overs, but gives my low level whispers more natural gain ( and
a little proximity effect to fatten the low levels).
I never used a limiter or compressor, since I have read that they pump and
breathe and inject too much unnaturalness to the sound......... but ...........I
have no experience with this so I don't really know.
I am starting to get a little tired of having to watch those levels and was
wondering if I did put a limiter or compressor on the mic, will I really
get all that unnaturalness and unwanted noise? You guys are engineers and
record a lot of people and I don't. What is your experience and opinions
with this?
Also, in searching for a decent, yet inexpensive compressor/limiter that
might fit the bill, I came across the FMR "Real Nice Compressor." They
also have a $400 mic pre that seemed like it might be real good for a ribbon
as it has a lot of gain.'
Do any of you have any experience with the Real Nice Preamp or Compressor?
They both got very nice reviews from magazines on line. I have not seen
them mentioned here before, but I could have missed it.
Thanks
Lou Guarino
www.enchantedvibrations.net
Louis Guarino Jr.
www.enchantedvibrations.net
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| Re: Recording trumpet (and other stuff) [message #100524 is a reply to message #100523] |
Wed, 01 October 2008 16:11  |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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Lou
A few years ago, the RN compressor line was pretty much all that was spoken
about.
They are worth looking at, definitely.
You should definitely be using a comp/limiter with your recordings, you'll
never look back.
Martin H
Lend An Ear Sound
On 2/10/08 6:23 AM, in article 48e3dc3f$1@linux, "Louis Guarino Jr."
<kateeba@snet.net> wrote:
>
> Here's the deal: I record myself in Paris alot playing my trumpet. I use
> a Beyer 260 ribbon mic that was worked on by Steve Sank. He put a 77-DX
> ribbon in it to make it sound more like the vintage RCA 77-DX. He also
> modified
> my Apex 107 preamp to sound much quieter and beef it up (but not the gain).
> It all sounds really good.
>
> One of my problems with recording myself though, is I really can't just close
> my eyes and play. I watch the input levels in Paris and move myself back
> a little from the mic when I am going to play louder, and move closer when
> I play soft and whisper. Watching the levels guides me so I not only don't
> get too many overs, but gives my low level whispers more natural gain ( and
> a little proximity effect to fatten the low levels).
>
> I never used a limiter or compressor, since I have read that they pump and
> breathe and inject too much unnaturalness to the sound......... but
> ...........I
> have no experience with this so I don't really know.
>
> I am starting to get a little tired of having to watch those levels and was
> wondering if I did put a limiter or compressor on the mic, will I really
> get all that unnaturalness and unwanted noise? You guys are engineers and
> record a lot of people and I don't. What is your experience and opinions
> with this?
>
> Also, in searching for a decent, yet inexpensive compressor/limiter that
> might fit the bill, I came across the FMR "Real Nice Compressor." They
> also have a $400 mic pre that seemed like it might be real good for a ribbon
> as it has a lot of gain.'
>
> Do any of you have any experience with the Real Nice Preamp or Compressor?
> They both got very nice reviews from magazines on line. I have not seen
> them mentioned here before, but I could have missed it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Lou Guarino
> www.enchantedvibrations.net
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| Re: Recording trumpet (and other stuff) [message #100527 is a reply to message #100524] |
Wed, 01 October 2008 17:42 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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Hi Lou,
I agree with Martin. I have a couple of RNC comps in my gig rack.
I like them alot for transparent compression. They also can mimic the
aggressive compression the Distressor displays in 'Nuke' mode if you
work it that way. It was easier to setup than a pair of Distressors that's
for sure.
I have been using ribbons as of late on trumpet and always apply some
protective compression through a Distressor. The RNC is about 1/4 the
price and can do the same thing with the same or better bandwidth. You can
still work the mic if you like but will be protected from overs once you get
your settings right.
Good luck,
Tom
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:C50A40B4.A73%lendan@bigpond.net.au...
> Lou
> A few years ago, the RN compressor line was pretty much all that was
> spoken
> about.
> They are worth looking at, definitely.
> You should definitely be using a comp/limiter with your recordings, you'll
> never look back.
>
> Martin H
> Lend An Ear Sound
>
>
>
> On 2/10/08 6:23 AM, in article 48e3dc3f$1@linux, "Louis Guarino Jr."
> <kateeba@snet.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's the deal: I record myself in Paris alot playing my trumpet. I
>> use
>> a Beyer 260 ribbon mic that was worked on by Steve Sank. He put a 77-DX
>> ribbon in it to make it sound more like the vintage RCA 77-DX. He also
>> modified
>> my Apex 107 preamp to sound much quieter and beef it up (but not the
>> gain).
>> It all sounds really good.
>>
>> One of my problems with recording myself though, is I really can't just
>> close
>> my eyes and play. I watch the input levels in Paris and move myself back
>> a little from the mic when I am going to play louder, and move closer
>> when
>> I play soft and whisper. Watching the levels guides me so I not only
>> don't
>> get too many overs, but gives my low level whispers more natural gain (
>> and
>> a little proximity effect to fatten the low levels).
>>
>> I never used a limiter or compressor, since I have read that they pump
>> and
>> breathe and inject too much unnaturalness to the sound......... but
>> ...........I
>> have no experience with this so I don't really know.
>>
>> I am starting to get a little tired of having to watch those levels and
>> was
>> wondering if I did put a limiter or compressor on the mic, will I really
>> get all that unnaturalness and unwanted noise? You guys are engineers
>> and
>> record a lot of people and I don't. What is your experience and opinions
>> with this?
>>
>> Also, in searching for a decent, yet inexpensive compressor/limiter that
>> might fit the bill, I came across the FMR "Real Nice Compressor." They
>> also have a $400 mic pre that seemed like it might be real good for a
>> ribbon
>> as it has a lot of gain.'
>>
>> Do any of you have any experience with the Real Nice Preamp or
>> Compressor?
>> They both got very nice reviews from magazines on line. I have not seen
>> them mentioned here before, but I could have missed it.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Lou Guarino
>> www.enchantedvibrations.net
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| Re: Recording trumpet (and other stuff) [message #100532 is a reply to message #100527] |
Thu, 02 October 2008 05:27 |
Kateeba
Messages: 76
Registered: August 2005
Location: Hamden, Connecticut
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WOW, this is good news! THANKS Guys! I will pick up one of these RNC's
then. How would I use them in-conjunction with my Apex 107 preamp? I
suppose the directions will help. Or would they work better with the RNP
preamp?
OK, at the risk of sounding stupid, I never heard of a distressor. What
is that?
You know, since I never used compressors, I have no idea how to set them
up and use them. Any good articles online that might help me get started?
Lou
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>Hi Lou,
>
>I agree with Martin. I have a couple of RNC comps in my gig rack.
>I like them alot for transparent compression. They also can mimic the
>aggressive compression the Distressor displays in 'Nuke' mode if you
>work it that way. It was easier to setup than a pair of Distressors that's
>for sure.
>
>I have been using ribbons as of late on trumpet and always apply some
>protective compression through a Distressor. The RNC is about 1/4 the
>price and can do the same thing with the same or better bandwidth. You
can
>still work the mic if you like but will be protected from overs once you
get
>your settings right.
>
>Good luck,
>Tom
>
>
>
>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>news:C50A40B4.A73%lendan@bigpond.net.au...
>> Lou
>> A few years ago, the RN compressor line was pretty much all that was
>> spoken
>> about.
>> They are worth looking at, definitely.
>> You should definitely be using a comp/limiter with your recordings, you'll
>> never look back.
>>
>> Martin H
>> Lend An Ear Sound
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/08 6:23 AM, in article 48e3dc3f$1@linux, "Louis Guarino Jr."
>> <kateeba@snet.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Here's the deal: I record myself in Paris alot playing my trumpet.
I
>>> use
>>> a Beyer 260 ribbon mic that was worked on by Steve Sank. He put a 77-DX
>>> ribbon in it to make it sound more like the vintage RCA 77-DX. He also
>>> modified
>>> my Apex 107 preamp to sound much quieter and beef it up (but not the
>>> gain).
>>> It all sounds really good.
>>>
>>> One of my problems with recording myself though, is I really can't just
>>> close
>>> my eyes and play. I watch the input levels in Paris and move myself
back
>>> a little from the mic when I am going to play louder, and move closer
>>> when
>>> I play soft and whisper. Watching the levels guides me so I not only
>>> don't
>>> get too many overs, but gives my low level whispers more natural gain
(
>>> and
>>> a little proximity effect to fatten the low levels).
>>>
>>> I never used a limiter or compressor, since I have read that they pump
>>> and
>>> breathe and inject too much unnaturalness to the sound......... but
>>> ...........I
>>> have no experience with this so I don't really know.
>>>
>>> I am starting to get a little tired of having to watch those levels and
>>> was
>>> wondering if I did put a limiter or compressor on the mic, will I really
>>> get all that unnaturalness and unwanted noise? You guys are engineers
>>> and
>>> record a lot of people and I don't. What is your experience and opinions
>>> with this?
>>>
>>> Also, in searching for a decent, yet inexpensive compressor/limiter that
>>> might fit the bill, I came across the FMR "Real Nice Compressor." They
>>> also have a $400 mic pre that seemed like it might be real good for a
>>> ribbon
>>> as it has a lot of gain.'
>>>
>>> Do any of you have any experience with the Real Nice Preamp or
>>> Compressor?
>>> They both got very nice reviews from magazines on line. I have not
seen
>>> them mentioned here before, but I could have missed it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Lou Guarino
>>> www.enchantedvibrations.net
>>
>
>
Louis Guarino Jr.
www.enchantedvibrations.net
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| Re: Recording trumpet (and other stuff) [message #100536 is a reply to message #100532] |
Thu, 02 October 2008 09:42 |
Rich S
Messages: 3
Registered: September 2008
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DBX made a very simple comressor with a more / less slider that is not bad
(I have one I use on bass sometimes). 163 I think is model #. Great place
to start if your not used to compressors....
"Louis Guarino Jr." <kateeba@snet.net> wrote:
>
>WOW, this is good news! THANKS Guys! I will pick up one of these RNC's
>then. How would I use them in-conjunction with my Apex 107 preamp? I
>suppose the directions will help. Or would they work better with the RNP
>preamp?
>
>OK, at the risk of sounding stupid, I never heard of a distressor. What
>is that?
>
>You know, since I never used compressors, I have no idea how to set them
>up and use them. Any good articles online that might help me get started?
>
>Lou
>
>
>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Hi Lou,
>>
>>I agree with Martin. I have a couple of RNC comps in my gig rack.
>>I like them alot for transparent compression. They also can mimic the
>>aggressive compression the Distressor displays in 'Nuke' mode if you
>>work it that way. It was easier to setup than a pair of Distressors that's
>>for sure.
>>
>>I have been using ribbons as of late on trumpet and always apply some
>>protective compression through a Distressor. The RNC is about 1/4 the
>>price and can do the same thing with the same or better bandwidth. You
>can
>>still work the mic if you like but will be protected from overs once you
>get
>>your settings right.
>>
>>Good luck,
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>>news:C50A40B4.A73%lendan@bigpond.net.au...
>>> Lou
>>> A few years ago, the RN compressor line was pretty much all that was
>>> spoken
>>> about.
>>> They are worth looking at, definitely.
>>> You should definitely be using a comp/limiter with your recordings, you'll
>>> never look back.
>>>
>>> Martin H
>>> Lend An Ear Sound
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/10/08 6:23 AM, in article 48e3dc3f$1@linux, "Louis Guarino Jr."
>>> <kateeba@snet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's the deal: I record myself in Paris alot playing my trumpet.
> I
>>>> use
>>>> a Beyer 260 ribbon mic that was worked on by Steve Sank. He put a 77-DX
>>>> ribbon in it to make it sound more like the vintage RCA 77-DX. He also
>>>> modified
>>>> my Apex 107 preamp to sound much quieter and beef it up (but not the
>
>>>> gain).
>>>> It all sounds really good.
>>>>
>>>> One of my problems with recording myself though, is I really can't just
>
>>>> close
>>>> my eyes and play. I watch the input levels in Paris and move myself
>back
>>>> a little from the mic when I am going to play louder, and move closer
>
>>>> when
>>>> I play soft and whisper. Watching the levels guides me so I not only
>
>>>> don't
>>>> get too many overs, but gives my low level whispers more natural gain
>(
>>>> and
>>>> a little proximity effect to fatten the low levels).
>>>>
>>>> I never used a limiter or compressor, since I have read that they pump
>
>>>> and
>>>> breathe and inject too much unnaturalness to the sound......... but
>>>> ...........I
>>>> have no experience with this so I don't really know.
>>>>
>>>> I am starting to get a little tired of having to watch those levels
and
>
>>>> was
>>>> wondering if I did put a limiter or compressor on the mic, will I really
>>>> get all that unnaturalness and unwanted noise? You guys are engineers
>
>>>> and
>>>> record a lot of people and I don't. What is your experience and opinions
>>>> with this?
>>>>
>>>> Also, in searching for a decent, yet inexpensive compressor/limiter
that
>>>> might fit the bill, I came across the FMR "Real Nice Compressor."
They
>>>> also have a $400 mic pre that seemed like it might be real good for
a
>
>>>> ribbon
>>>> as it has a lot of gain.'
>>>>
>>>> Do any of you have any experience with the Real Nice Preamp or
>>>> Compressor?
>>>> They both got very nice reviews from magazines on line. I have not
>seen
>>>> them mentioned here before, but I could have missed it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Lou Guarino
>>>> www.enchantedvibrations.net
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Recording trumpet (and other stuff) [message #100558 is a reply to message #100532] |
Sat, 04 October 2008 23:49 |
Goran Stojiljkovic
Messages: 29
Registered: October 2005
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Junior Member |
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Empirical labs Distressor is versatile compressor,in my opinion ,one of the
best all purpose tracking and mixing compressor for the money ,Swiss
knife...if you have 1000$,go fo it!
It can be gentle and smooth,brutal and distorted....
Sorry for my English...
Goran
"Louis Guarino Jr." <kateeba@snet.net> wrote in message
news:48e4be43$1@linux...
>
> WOW, this is good news! THANKS Guys! I will pick up one of these RNC's
> then. How would I use them in-conjunction with my Apex 107 preamp? I
> suppose the directions will help. Or would they work better with the RNP
> preamp?
>
> OK, at the risk of sounding stupid, I never heard of a distressor. What
> is that?
>
> You know, since I never used compressors, I have no idea how to set them
> up and use them. Any good articles online that might help me get
> started?
>
> Lou
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Hi Lou,
>>
>>I agree with Martin. I have a couple of RNC comps in my gig rack.
>>I like them alot for transparent compression. They also can mimic the
>>aggressive compression the Distressor displays in 'Nuke' mode if you
>>work it that way. It was easier to setup than a pair of Distressors
>>that's
>>for sure.
>>
>>I have been using ribbons as of late on trumpet and always apply some
>>protective compression through a Distressor. The RNC is about 1/4 the
>>price and can do the same thing with the same or better bandwidth. You
> can
>>still work the mic if you like but will be protected from overs once you
> get
>>your settings right.
>>
>>Good luck,
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>>news:C50A40B4.A73%lendan@bigpond.net.au...
>>> Lou
>>> A few years ago, the RN compressor line was pretty much all that was
>>> spoken
>>> about.
>>> They are worth looking at, definitely.
>>> You should definitely be using a comp/limiter with your recordings,
>>> you'll
>>> never look back.
>>>
>>> Martin H
>>> Lend An Ear Sound
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/10/08 6:23 AM, in article 48e3dc3f$1@linux, "Louis Guarino Jr."
>>> <kateeba@snet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's the deal: I record myself in Paris alot playing my trumpet.
> I
>>>> use
>>>> a Beyer 260 ribbon mic that was worked on by Steve Sank. He put a
>>>> 77-DX
>>>> ribbon in it to make it sound more like the vintage RCA 77-DX. He also
>>>> modified
>>>> my Apex 107 preamp to sound much quieter and beef it up (but not the
>
>>>> gain).
>>>> It all sounds really good.
>>>>
>>>> One of my problems with recording myself though, is I really can't just
>
>>>> close
>>>> my eyes and play. I watch the input levels in Paris and move myself
> back
>>>> a little from the mic when I am going to play louder, and move closer
>
>>>> when
>>>> I play soft and whisper. Watching the levels guides me so I not only
>
>>>> don't
>>>> get too many overs, but gives my low level whispers more natural gain
> (
>>>> and
>>>> a little proximity effect to fatten the low levels).
>>>>
>>>> I never used a limiter or compressor, since I have read that they pump
>
>>>> and
>>>> breathe and inject too much unnaturalness to the sound......... but
>>>> ...........I
>>>> have no experience with this so I don't really know.
>>>>
>>>> I am starting to get a little tired of having to watch those levels and
>
>>>> was
>>>> wondering if I did put a limiter or compressor on the mic, will I
>>>> really
>>>> get all that unnaturalness and unwanted noise? You guys are engineers
>
>>>> and
>>>> record a lot of people and I don't. What is your experience and
>>>> opinions
>>>> with this?
>>>>
>>>> Also, in searching for a decent, yet inexpensive compressor/limiter
>>>> that
>>>> might fit the bill, I came across the FMR "Real Nice Compressor."
>>>> They
>>>> also have a $400 mic pre that seemed like it might be real good for a
>
>>>> ribbon
>>>> as it has a lot of gain.'
>>>>
>>>> Do any of you have any experience with the Real Nice Preamp or
>>>> Compressor?
>>>> They both got very nice reviews from magazines on line. I have not
> seen
>>>> them mentioned here before, but I could have missed it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Lou Guarino
>>>> www.enchantedvibrations.net
>>>
>>
>>
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