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| PING! Dimitrios... [message #87107] |
Sat, 23 June 2007 23:18  |
Neil
Messages: 1645
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Hey man, are you SURE that the Mytek convertors sound better
than the RME's? Not that I'm doubting your word, I'm just
wondering if the fact that you're using a Fireface (Firewire
buss) vs. a Multiface (PCI buss) makes a differece?
I just don't see how a better convertor set than the Multiface
can be had for less than some ungodly-high price point (perhaps
I am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i haven't tried
everything that's out there... i just know how good/how well
these reproduce accurate audio).
Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME realm
besides the Fireface to the Mytek?
Neil
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| Re: PING! Dimitrios... [message #87117 is a reply to message #87115] |
Sun, 24 June 2007 08:10  |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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Dimitrios has an older Mytek AD/DA 24bit/48kHZ capable converter. I had it
here briefly before I transshipped it to him. It is a work of art. These are
built like a brick shithouse and were very expensive back when they were
being manufactured. When I compared it to my Mytek Stereo96 AD and DA (at
44.1/48), I could hear basically no difference at all. Dimitrios likely has
the system clocked to this box as well which wouldn't hurt anything. I did a
little comparison to my RME converters (and I have also compared my Mytek
AD/DA's) to both the Multiface and a couple of ADI8-DS units I have here. My
entire system is clocked off the distributed signal of the Mytek AD
converter and I don't really think the RME converters are majorly inferior
sounding in comparison to the Mytek. There ares some differences but they
are more along the lines of *differences* rather than super extreme
improvements in detail and imaging. Maybe my ears just like certain
converters or maybe the FF800 converters suck in comparison with the older
Multiface converters, which seem to have a bit of a cult following. I have
actually seen people in black hooded robes carrying torches and chanting
while walking down the road outside my house with a Multiface on a small
altar on the back of a donkey cart during full moons. I really sorta prefer
the Multiface converters to the more expensive ADI8-DS converters. It's not
like I'm going to ditch them, but there is a tiny difference that I think I
probably hear, sometimes, maybe, if the wind is blowing in the right
direction, the humidity levels are just right and I've had proper amounts of
caffiene and sugar administered interveniously.
;o)
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:467e7f16$1@linux...
>
>
> Neil wrote:
>> Hey man, are you SURE that the Mytek convertors sound better
>> than the RME's?
> The Mytek's converters sound excellent. They should sense they are 3 times
> the price of the Multiface/Fireface I/Os. To some people they will sound
> better than RME's. But sense Mytek make no affordable sound cards with
> analog I/O on them it is not correct to compare them the
> Multiface/Fireface I/O. Mytek makes dedicated AD and DA converters only so
> the only comparison would be the ADI-8 DS, ADI-2 or ADI8-QS models.
> The RME converters used on the used on the Fireface, Multiface and
> HDSP9632 are some of the best you will get integrated onto a sound card.
> The Myteks should logically sound better than the Multiface and Fireface.
> If they didn't I don't think Mytek would be in business..:)
>
>> Not that I'm doubting your word, I'm just
>> wondering if the fact that you're using a Fireface (Firewire
>> buss) vs. a Multiface (PCI buss) makes a differece?
>>
> The Fireface 800 has slightly better converters than the Multiface. The
> Multiface has the same converters as the Fireface 400. There is not sound
> difference being caused by one being Fire wire and one being PCI.
>
>> I just don't see how a better convertor set than the Multiface
>> can be had for less than some ungodly-high price point (perhaps
>> I am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i haven't tried
>> everything that's out there... i just know how good/how well
>> these reproduce accurate audio).
>>
>
> It can't. Mytek makes nothing that is the same price wise and
> functionality wish that comes close the value of these RME converters. It
> wouldn't be fair to be comparing the price of a used or discontinued
> piece of Mytek gear. The closest product they make that can honestly be
> compared is the 8x192 with the fire wire option card but that sell for
> $3900.
>
>
>> Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME realm
>> besides the Fireface to the Mytek?
>>
>> Neil
>>
> Chris
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762
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| Re: PING! Dimitrios... [message #87120 is a reply to message #87115] |
Sun, 24 June 2007 10:55 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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So, Chris...
If I'm not going out of my D/A's to a tape deck like Dimitrios
is doing, if I were to get let's say a Mytek, or perhaps even a
Lavry Blue D/A set & locked the Multiface to the Lavry clock
(which claim to be a killer jitter-eliminator) & then rendered
my mix to disk in Cubase as normal, would I hear a difference
between that mix & one that was rendered with the Multiface
clocked either to itself or to my Lucid GenX6-96?
Neil
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>Neil wrote:
>> Hey man, are you SURE that the Mytek convertors sound better
>> than the RME's?
>The Mytek's converters sound excellent. They should sense they are 3
>times the price of the Multiface/Fireface I/Os. To some people they will
>sound better than RME's. But sense Mytek make no affordable sound cards
>with analog I/O on them it is not correct to compare them the
>Multiface/Fireface I/O. Mytek makes dedicated AD and DA converters only
>so the only comparison would be the ADI-8 DS, ADI-2 or ADI8-QS models.
>The RME converters used on the used on the Fireface, Multiface and
>HDSP9632 are some of the best you will get integrated onto a sound card.
>The Myteks should logically sound better than the Multiface and
>Fireface. If they didn't I don't think Mytek would be in business..:)
>
>> Not that I'm doubting your word, I'm just
>> wondering if the fact that you're using a Fireface (Firewire
>> buss) vs. a Multiface (PCI buss) makes a differece?
>>
>The Fireface 800 has slightly better converters than the Multiface. The
>Multiface has the same converters as the Fireface 400. There is not
>sound difference being caused by one being Fire wire and one being PCI.
>
>> I just don't see how a better convertor set than the Multiface
>> can be had for less than some ungodly-high price point (perhaps
>> I am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i haven't tried
>> everything that's out there... i just know how good/how well
>> these reproduce accurate audio).
>>
>
>It can't. Mytek makes nothing that is the same price wise and
>functionality wish that comes close the value of these RME converters.
>It wouldn't be fair to be comparing the price of a used or discontinued
>piece of Mytek gear. The closest product they make that can honestly be
>compared is the 8x192 with the fire wire option card but that sell for
>$3900.
>
>
>> Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME realm
>> besides the Fireface to the Mytek?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>Chris
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: PING! Dimitrios... [message #87137 is a reply to message #87120] |
Sun, 24 June 2007 18:32 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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HI Neil,
If you didn't have the the Lucid hooked up and were just clocking the
Multiface from the Lavry or Mytek then maybe but I don't think you will
if the Cubase file is rendered in Cubase. If you ran it through
converters in a real time bounce or if you mixed the while project then
it mill probably be a little different sense those converters do have
some sound difference than the RME. You will have to do a whole lot of
comparison tests with different clocking scenarios. But I bet the
results will be so close as to be questionable as to whether a file is
already recorded and mixed rendered internal in Cubase will sound
different if using different clocks sources. I'm sure I'll be disagreed
with but sense it is just an opinion not a scientifically based
statement take it with a grain of salt.
Chris
Neil wrote:
> So, Chris...
>
> If I'm not going out of my D/A's to a tape deck like Dimitrios
> is doing, if I were to get let's say a Mytek, or perhaps even a
> Lavry Blue D/A set & locked the Multiface to the Lavry clock
> (which claim to be a killer jitter-eliminator) & then rendered
> my mix to disk in Cubase as normal, would I hear a difference
> between that mix & one that was rendered with the Multiface
> clocked either to itself or to my Lucid GenX6-96?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>> Neil wrote:
>>
>>> Hey man, are you SURE that the Mytek convertors sound better
>>> than the RME's?
>>>
>> The Mytek's converters sound excellent. They should sense they are 3
>> times the price of the Multiface/Fireface I/Os. To some people they will
>>
>
>
>> sound better than RME's. But sense Mytek make no affordable sound cards
>>
>
>
>> with analog I/O on them it is not correct to compare them the
>> Multiface/Fireface I/O. Mytek makes dedicated AD and DA converters only
>>
>
>
>> so the only comparison would be the ADI-8 DS, ADI-2 or ADI8-QS models.
>> The RME converters used on the used on the Fireface, Multiface and
>> HDSP9632 are some of the best you will get integrated onto a sound card.
>>
>
>
>> The Myteks should logically sound better than the Multiface and
>> Fireface. If they didn't I don't think Mytek would be in business..:)
>>
>>
>>> Not that I'm doubting your word, I'm just
>>> wondering if the fact that you're using a Fireface (Firewire
>>> buss) vs. a Multiface (PCI buss) makes a differece?
>>>
>>>
>> The Fireface 800 has slightly better converters than the Multiface. The
>>
>
>
>> Multiface has the same converters as the Fireface 400. There is not
>> sound difference being caused by one being Fire wire and one being PCI.
>>
>>
>>> I just don't see how a better convertor set than the Multiface
>>> can be had for less than some ungodly-high price point (perhaps
>>> I am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i haven't tried
>>> everything that's out there... i just know how good/how well
>>> these reproduce accurate audio).
>>>
>>>
>> It can't. Mytek makes nothing that is the same price wise and
>> functionality wish that comes close the value of these RME converters.
>> It wouldn't be fair to be comparing the price of a used or discontinued
>>
>
>
>> piece of Mytek gear. The closest product they make that can honestly be
>>
>
>
>> compared is the 8x192 with the fire wire option card but that sell for
>> $3900.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME realm
>>> besides the Fireface to the Mytek?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>> Chris
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: PING! Dimitrios... [message #87139 is a reply to message #87117] |
Sun, 24 June 2007 18:55 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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HI DJ,
All we have are our ears.
Chris
DJ wrote:
> Dimitrios has an older Mytek AD/DA 24bit/48kHZ capable converter. I had it
> here briefly before I transshipped it to him. It is a work of art. These are
> built like a brick shithouse and were very expensive back when they were
> being manufactured. When I compared it to my Mytek Stereo96 AD and DA (at
> 44.1/48), I could hear basically no difference at all. Dimitrios likely has
> the system clocked to this box as well which wouldn't hurt anything. I did a
> little comparison to my RME converters (and I have also compared my Mytek
> AD/DA's) to both the Multiface and a couple of ADI8-DS units I have here. My
> entire system is clocked off the distributed signal of the Mytek AD
> converter and I don't really think the RME converters are majorly inferior
> sounding in comparison to the Mytek. There ares some differences but they
> are more along the lines of *differences* rather than super extreme
> improvements in detail and imaging. Maybe my ears just like certain
> converters or maybe the FF800 converters suck in comparison with the older
> Multiface converters, which seem to have a bit of a cult following. I have
> actually seen people in black hooded robes carrying torches and chanting
> while walking down the road outside my house with a Multiface on a small
> altar on the back of a donkey cart during full moons. I really sorta prefer
> the Multiface converters to the more expensive ADI8-DS converters. It's not
> like I'm going to ditch them, but there is a tiny difference that I think I
> probably hear, sometimes, maybe, if the wind is blowing in the right
> direction, the humidity levels are just right and I've had proper amounts of
> caffiene and sugar administered interveniously.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:467e7f16$1@linux...
>
>> Neil wrote:
>>
>>> Hey man, are you SURE that the Mytek convertors sound better
>>> than the RME's?
>>>
>> The Mytek's converters sound excellent. They should sense they are 3 times
>> the price of the Multiface/Fireface I/Os. To some people they will sound
>> better than RME's. But sense Mytek make no affordable sound cards with
>> analog I/O on them it is not correct to compare them the
>> Multiface/Fireface I/O. Mytek makes dedicated AD and DA converters only so
>> the only comparison would be the ADI-8 DS, ADI-2 or ADI8-QS models.
>> The RME converters used on the used on the Fireface, Multiface and
>> HDSP9632 are some of the best you will get integrated onto a sound card.
>> The Myteks should logically sound better than the Multiface and Fireface.
>> If they didn't I don't think Mytek would be in business..:)
>>
>>
>>> Not that I'm doubting your word, I'm just
>>> wondering if the fact that you're using a Fireface (Firewire
>>> buss) vs. a Multiface (PCI buss) makes a differece?
>>>
>>>
>> The Fireface 800 has slightly better converters than the Multiface. The
>> Multiface has the same converters as the Fireface 400. There is not sound
>> difference being caused by one being Fire wire and one being PCI.
>>
>>
>>> I just don't see how a better convertor set than the Multiface
>>> can be had for less than some ungodly-high price point (perhaps
>>> I am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i haven't tried
>>> everything that's out there... i just know how good/how well
>>> these reproduce accurate audio).
>>>
>>>
>> It can't. Mytek makes nothing that is the same price wise and
>> functionality wish that comes close the value of these RME converters. It
>> wouldn't be fair to be comparing the price of a used or discontinued
>> piece of Mytek gear. The closest product they make that can honestly be
>> compared is the 8x192 with the fire wire option card but that sell for
>> $3900.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME realm
>>> besides the Fireface to the Mytek?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>> Chris
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: PING! Dimitrios... [message #87155 is a reply to message #87139] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 00:15 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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.....hmmm... ...I see what you're writing but can't hear it....
.....hmmmm....;-)
erlilo
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:467f2216@linux...
> HI DJ,
> All we have are our ears.
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> Dimitrios has an older Mytek AD/DA 24bit/48kHZ capable converter. I had
>> it here briefly before I transshipped it to him. It is a work of art.
>> These are built like a brick shithouse and were very expensive back when
>> they were being manufactured. When I compared it to my Mytek Stereo96 AD
>> and DA (at 44.1/48), I could hear basically no difference at all.
>> Dimitrios likely has the system clocked to this box as well which
>> wouldn't hurt anything. I did a little comparison to my RME converters
>> (and I have also compared my Mytek AD/DA's) to both the Multiface and a
>> couple of ADI8-DS units I have here. My entire system is clocked off the
>> distributed signal of the Mytek AD converter and I don't really think the
>> RME converters are majorly inferior sounding in comparison to the Mytek.
>> There ares some differences but they are more along the lines of
>> *differences* rather than super extreme improvements in detail and
>> imaging. Maybe my ears just like certain converters or maybe the FF800
>> converters suck in comparison with the older Multiface converters, which
>> seem to have a bit of a cult following. I have actually seen people in
>> black hooded robes carrying torches and chanting while walking down the
>> road outside my house with a Multiface on a small altar on the back of a
>> donkey cart during full moons. I really sorta prefer the Multiface
>> converters to the more expensive ADI8-DS converters. It's not like I'm
>> going to ditch them, but there is a tiny difference that I think I
>> probably hear, sometimes, maybe, if the wind is blowing in the right
>> direction, the humidity levels are just right and I've had proper amounts
>> of caffiene and sugar administered interveniously.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> news:467e7f16$1@linux...
>>
>>> Neil wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey man, are you SURE that the Mytek convertors sound better
>>>> than the RME's?
>>>>
>>> The Mytek's converters sound excellent. They should sense they are 3
>>> times the price of the Multiface/Fireface I/Os. To some people they will
>>> sound better than RME's. But sense Mytek make no affordable sound cards
>>> with analog I/O on them it is not correct to compare them the
>>> Multiface/Fireface I/O. Mytek makes dedicated AD and DA converters only
>>> so the only comparison would be the ADI-8 DS, ADI-2 or ADI8-QS models.
>>> The RME converters used on the used on the Fireface, Multiface and
>>> HDSP9632 are some of the best you will get integrated onto a sound card.
>>> The Myteks should logically sound better than the Multiface and
>>> Fireface. If they didn't I don't think Mytek would be in business..:)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not that I'm doubting your word, I'm just
>>>> wondering if the fact that you're using a Fireface (Firewire
>>>> buss) vs. a Multiface (PCI buss) makes a differece?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The Fireface 800 has slightly better converters than the Multiface. The
>>> Multiface has the same converters as the Fireface 400. There is not
>>> sound difference being caused by one being Fire wire and one being PCI.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I just don't see how a better convertor set than the Multiface
>>>> can be had for less than some ungodly-high price point (perhaps
>>>> I am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i haven't tried
>>>> everything that's out there... i just know how good/how well
>>>> these reproduce accurate audio).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It can't. Mytek makes nothing that is the same price wise and
>>> functionality wish that comes close the value of these RME converters.
>>> It wouldn't be fair to be comparing the price of a used or discontinued
>>> piece of Mytek gear. The closest product they make that can honestly be
>>> compared is the 8x192 with the fire wire option card but that sell for
>>> $3900.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME realm
>>>> besides the Fireface to the Mytek?
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Chris
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762
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| Re: PING! Dimitrios... [message #87156 is a reply to message #87155] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 00:18 |
Tom Bruhl
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Erling,
Check the next one out .
It's Sunday . . .
I'm much worser .
Tom
"erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote in message news:467f6d28@linux...
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....hmmmm....;-)
erlilo
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> skrev i en meddelelse=20
news:467f2216@linux...
> HI DJ,
> All we have are our ears.
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> Dimitrios has an older Mytek AD/DA 24bit/48kHZ capable converter. I =
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>> These are built like a brick shithouse and were very expensive back =
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>> Dimitrios likely has the system clocked to this box as well which=20
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>> *differences* rather than super extreme improvements in detail and=20
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>> converters suck in comparison with the older Multiface converters, =
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>> going to ditch them, but there is a tiny difference that I think I=20
>> probably hear, sometimes, maybe, if the wind is blowing in the =
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>> direction, the humidity levels are just right and I've had proper =
amounts=20
>> of caffiene and sugar administered interveniously.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message=20
>> news:467e7f16$1@linux...
>>
>>> Neil wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey man, are you SURE that the Mytek convertors sound better
>>>> than the RME's?
>>>>
>>> The Mytek's converters sound excellent. They should sense they are =
3=20
>>> times the price of the Multiface/Fireface I/Os. To some people =
they will=20
>>> sound better than RME's. But sense Mytek make no affordable sound =
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>>> with analog I/O on them it is not correct to compare them the=20
>>> Multiface/Fireface I/O. Mytek makes dedicated AD and DA converters =
only=20
>>> so the only comparison would be the ADI-8 DS, ADI-2 or ADI8-QS =
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>>> The RME converters used on the used on the Fireface, Multiface and =
>>> HDSP9632 are some of the best you will get integrated onto a sound =
card.=20
>>> The Myteks should logically sound better than the Multiface and=20
>>> Fireface. If they didn't I don't think Mytek would be in =
business..:)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not that I'm doubting your word, I'm just
>>>> wondering if the fact that you're using a Fireface (Firewire
>>>> buss) vs. a Multiface (PCI buss) makes a differece?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The Fireface 800 has slightly better converters than the =
Multiface. The=20
>>> Multiface has the same converters as the Fireface 400. There is =
not=20
>>> sound difference being caused by one being Fire wire and one being =
PCI.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I just don't see how a better convertor set than the Multiface
>>>> can be had for less than some ungodly-high price point (perhaps
>>>> I am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i haven't tried
>>>> everything that's out there... i just know how good/how well
>>>> these reproduce accurate audio).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It can't. Mytek makes nothing that is the same price wise and=20
>>> functionality wish that comes close the value of these RME =
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>>> It wouldn't be fair to be comparing the price of a used or =
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>>> piece of Mytek gear. The closest product they make that can =
honestly be=20
>>> compared is the 8x192 with the fire wire option card but that sell =
for=20
>>> $3900.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME realm
>>>> besides the Fireface to the Mytek?
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Chris
>>> --=20
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>>
>
> --=20
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Check the next one out .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's Sunday . . =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm much worser .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"erlilo" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:erlingl@tdcadsl.dk">erlingl@tdcadsl.dk</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<A =
href=3D"news:467f6d28@linux">news:467f6d28@linux</A>...</DIV>....hmmm... =
....I=20
see what you're writing but can't hear it....=20
<BR>....hmmmm....;-)<BR><BR>erlilo<BR><BR>"Chris Ludwig" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>> =
skrev i en=20
meddelelse <BR><A=20
href=3D"news:467f2216@linux">news:467f2216@linux</A>...<BR>> HI =
DJ,<BR>>=20
All we have are our ears.<BR>>=20
Chris<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>> DJ wrote:<BR>>> =
Dimitrios=20
has an older Mytek AD/DA 24bit/48kHZ capable converter. I had =
<BR>>> it=20
here briefly before I transshipped it to him. It is a work of art.=20
<BR>>> These are built like a brick shithouse and were very =
expensive=20
back when <BR>>> they were being manufactured. When I compared =
it to my=20
Mytek Stereo96 AD <BR>>> and DA (at 44.1/48), I could hear =
basically no difference at all. <BR>>> Dimitrios likely has the =
system=20
clocked to this box as well which <BR>>> wouldn't hurt anything. =
I did a=20
little comparison to my RME converters <BR>>> (and I have also =
compared=20
my Mytek AD/DA's) to both the Multiface and a <BR>>> couple of =
ADI8-DS=20
units I have here. My entire system is clocked off the <BR>>>=20
distributed signal of the Mytek AD converter and I don't really think =
the=20
<BR>>> RME converters are majorly inferior sounding in =
comparison to the=20
Mytek. <BR>>> There ares some differences but they are more =
along the=20
lines of <BR>>> *differences* rather than super extreme =
improvements in=20
detail and <BR>>> imaging. Maybe my ears just like certain =
converters or=20
maybe the FF800 <BR>>> converters suck in comparison with the =
older=20
Multiface converters, which <BR>>> seem to have a bit of a cult=20
following. I have actually seen people in <BR>>> black hooded =
robes=20
carrying torches and chanting while walking down the <BR>>> road =
outside=20
my house with a Multiface on a small altar on the back of a =
<BR>>>=20
donkey cart during full moons. I really sorta prefer the =
Multiface=20
<BR>>> converters to the more expensive ADI8-DS converters. It's =
not=20
like I'm <BR>>> going to ditch them, but there is a tiny =
difference that=20
I think I <BR>>> probably hear, sometimes, maybe, if the wind is =
blowing=20
in the right <BR>>> direction, the humidity levels are just =
right and=20
I've had proper amounts <BR>>> of caffiene and sugar =
administered=20
interveniously.<BR>>><BR>>>=20
;o)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> "Chris Ludwig" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <BR>>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:467e7f16$1@linux">news:467e7f16$1@linux</A>...<BR>>><B=
R>>>>=20
Neil wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>> Hey man, are you SURE =
that the=20
Mytek convertors sound better<BR>>>>> than the=20
RME's?<BR>>>>><BR>>>> The Mytek's converters =
sound=20
excellent. They should sense they are 3 <BR>>>> times the =
price of=20
the Multiface/Fireface I/Os. To some people they will <BR>>>> =
sound=20
better than RME's. But sense Mytek make no affordable sound cards=20
<BR>>>> with analog I/O on them it is not correct to compare =
them the=20
<BR>>>> Multiface/Fireface I/O. Mytek makes dedicated AD and =
DA=20
converters only <BR>>>> so the only comparison would be the =
ADI-8 DS,=20
ADI-2 or ADI8-QS models.<BR>>>> The RME converters used on =
the used=20
on the Fireface, Multiface and <BR>>>> HDSP9632 are some of =
the best=20
you will get integrated onto a sound card. <BR>>>> The Myteks =
should=20
logically sound better than the Multiface and <BR>>>> =
Fireface. If=20
they didn't I don't think Mytek would be in=20
business..:)<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>>> Not =
that I'm=20
doubting your word, I'm just<BR>>>>> wondering if the fact =
that=20
you're using a Fireface (Firewire<BR>>>>> buss) vs. a =
Multiface=20
(PCI buss) makes a=20
differece?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>> The =
Fireface 800 has slightly better converters than the Multiface. The=20
<BR>>>> Multiface has the same converters as the Fireface =
400. There=20
is not <BR>>>> sound difference being caused by one being =
Fire wire=20
and one being PCI.<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>>> =
I just=20
don't see how a better convertor set than the =
Multiface<BR>>>>>=20
can be had for less than some ungodly-high price point=20
(perhaps<BR>>>>> I am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i =
haven't=20
tried<BR>>>>> everything that's out there... i just know =
how=20
good/how well<BR>>>>> these reproduce accurate=20
audio).<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>> It =
can't.=20
Mytek makes nothing that is the same price wise and <BR>>>>=20
functionality wish that comes close the value of these RME converters. =
<BR>>>> It wouldn't be fair to be comparing the price of a =
used or=20
discontinued <BR>>>> piece of Mytek gear. The closest product =
they=20
make that can honestly be <BR>>>> compared is the 8x192 with =
the fire=20
wire option card but that sell for <BR>>>>=20
=
$3900.<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>><BR>>>>>=
;=20
Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME=20
realm<BR>>>>> besides the Fireface to the=20
Mytek?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>=20
Neil<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>>=20
Chris<BR>>>> -- <BR>>>> Chris Ludwig<BR>>>> =
ADK<BR>>>> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A> =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>&=
gt;<BR>>>>=20
<A href=3D"http://www.adkproaudio.com">www.adkproaudio.com</A> <<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.adkproaudio.com/">http://www.adkproaudio.com/</A>><=
BR>>>>=20
(859) 635-5762<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> <BR>><BR>> -- =
<BR>>=20
Chris Ludwig<BR>> ADK<BR>> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A> =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>&=
gt;<BR>>=20
<A href=3D"http://www.adkproaudio.com">www.adkproaudio.com</A> <<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.adkproaudio.com/">http://www.adkproaudio.com/</A>><=
BR>>=20
(859) 635-5762 <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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| Re: PING! Dimitrios... [message #87158 is a reply to message #87107] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 04:04 |
Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
Registered: August 2005
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Hi Neil,
The difference beetween the Mytek's DA and RME ADI-PRO8 DA is night and day
for me.
The difference beetween AD is not big.
The Mytek has almost totally lack of distortion across bandwith while rme
has much there and I am sure itr is because of jitter.
The mytek's device has jitter elimination circuitry on botha analog and digital
in/out.
Also there is a punch and stereo widening.
What else should I detect to say that mytek are superior.
I am not fond of the rme stuff as much as the nhype around them.
I find their sound totally unpunched ,some might say warm, a smiley curve
meaning there is not great mid clarity and the stereo image is just ok until
you hear a Mytek or lavry DA !
The RME's ad section clocked by mytek sounds nice.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Hey man, are you SURE that the Mytek convertors sound better
>than the RME's? Not that I'm doubting your word, I'm just
>wondering if the fact that you're using a Fireface (Firewire
>buss) vs. a Multiface (PCI buss) makes a differece?
>
>I just don't see how a better convertor set than the Multiface
>can be had for less than some ungodly-high price point (perhaps
>I am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i haven't tried
>everything that's out there... i just know how good/how well
>these reproduce accurate audio).
>
>Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME realm
>besides the Fireface to the Mytek?
>
>Neil
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| Re: PING! Dimitrios... [message #87175 is a reply to message #87156] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 08:14 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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Tom,
....For me it's allready Blue Monday and I need to sleep...
Erling
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse =
news:467f6dc8@linux...
Erling,
Check the next one out .
It's Sunday . . .
I'm much worser .
Tom
"erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote in message =
news:467f6d28@linux...
....hmmm... ...I see what you're writing but can't hear it....=20
....hmmmm....;-)
erlilo
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> skrev i en meddelelse=20
news:467f2216@linux...
> HI DJ,
> All we have are our ears.
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> Dimitrios has an older Mytek AD/DA 24bit/48kHZ capable converter. =
I had=20
>> it here briefly before I transshipped it to him. It is a work of =
art.=20
>> These are built like a brick shithouse and were very expensive =
back when=20
>> they were being manufactured. When I compared it to my Mytek =
Stereo96 AD=20
>> and DA (at 44.1/48), I could hear basically no difference at =
all.=20
>> Dimitrios likely has the system clocked to this box as well which =
>> wouldn't hurt anything. I did a little comparison to my RME =
converters=20
>> (and I have also compared my Mytek AD/DA's) to both the Multiface =
and a=20
>> couple of ADI8-DS units I have here. My entire system is clocked =
off the=20
>> distributed signal of the Mytek AD converter and I don't really =
think the=20
>> RME converters are majorly inferior sounding in comparison to the =
Mytek.=20
>> There ares some differences but they are more along the lines of=20
>> *differences* rather than super extreme improvements in detail =
and=20
>> imaging. Maybe my ears just like certain converters or maybe the =
FF800=20
>> converters suck in comparison with the older Multiface =
converters, which=20
>> seem to have a bit of a cult following. I have actually seen =
people in=20
>> black hooded robes carrying torches and chanting while walking =
down the=20
>> road outside my house with a Multiface on a small altar on the =
back of a=20
>> donkey cart during full moons. I really sorta prefer the =
Multiface=20
>> converters to the more expensive ADI8-DS converters. It's not =
like I'm=20
>> going to ditch them, but there is a tiny difference that I think =
I=20
>> probably hear, sometimes, maybe, if the wind is blowing in the =
right=20
>> direction, the humidity levels are just right and I've had proper =
amounts=20
>> of caffiene and sugar administered interveniously.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message=20
>> news:467e7f16$1@linux...
>>
>>> Neil wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey man, are you SURE that the Mytek convertors sound better
>>>> than the RME's?
>>>>
>>> The Mytek's converters sound excellent. They should sense they =
are 3=20
>>> times the price of the Multiface/Fireface I/Os. To some people =
they will=20
>>> sound better than RME's. But sense Mytek make no affordable =
sound cards=20
>>> with analog I/O on them it is not correct to compare them the=20
>>> Multiface/Fireface I/O. Mytek makes dedicated AD and DA =
converters only=20
>>> so the only comparison would be the ADI-8 DS, ADI-2 or ADI8-QS =
models.
>>> The RME converters used on the used on the Fireface, Multiface =
and=20
>>> HDSP9632 are some of the best you will get integrated onto a =
sound card.=20
>>> The Myteks should logically sound better than the Multiface and=20
>>> Fireface. If they didn't I don't think Mytek would be in =
business..:)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not that I'm doubting your word, I'm just
>>>> wondering if the fact that you're using a Fireface (Firewire
>>>> buss) vs. a Multiface (PCI buss) makes a differece?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The Fireface 800 has slightly better converters than the =
Multiface. The=20
>>> Multiface has the same converters as the Fireface 400. There is =
not=20
>>> sound difference being caused by one being Fire wire and one =
being PCI.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I just don't see how a better convertor set than the Multiface
>>>> can be had for less than some ungodly-high price point (perhaps
>>>> I am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i haven't tried
>>>> everything that's out there... i just know how good/how well
>>>> these reproduce accurate audio).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It can't. Mytek makes nothing that is the same price wise and=20
>>> functionality wish that comes close the value of these RME =
converters.=20
>>> It wouldn't be fair to be comparing the price of a used or =
discontinued=20
>>> piece of Mytek gear. The closest product they make that can =
honestly be=20
>>> compared is the 8x192 with the fire wire option card but that =
sell for=20
>>> $3900.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME realm
>>>> besides the Fireface to the Mytek?
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Chris
>>> --=20
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>>
>
> --=20
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>...For me it's allready Blue Monday and =
I need=20
to sleep...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Erling</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> skrev =
i en=20
meddelelse <A =
href=3D"news:467f6dc8@linux">news:467f6dc8@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Erling,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Check the next one out .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's Sunday . . =
..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm much worser .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"erlilo" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:erlingl@tdcadsl.dk">erlingl@tdcadsl.dk</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A =
href=3D"news:467f6d28@linux">news:467f6d28@linux</A>...</DIV>....hmmm... =
...I see what you're writing but can't hear it....=20
<BR>....hmmmm....;-)<BR><BR>erlilo<BR><BR>"Chris Ludwig" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>> =
skrev i=20
en meddelelse <BR><A=20
href=3D"news:467f2216@linux">news:467f2216@linux</A>...<BR>> HI =
DJ,<BR>>=20
All we have are our ears.<BR>>=20
Chris<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>> DJ wrote:<BR>>>=20
Dimitrios has an older Mytek AD/DA 24bit/48kHZ capable converter. I =
had=20
<BR>>> it here briefly before I transshipped it to him. It is =
a work=20
of art. <BR>>> These are built like a brick shithouse and were =
very=20
expensive back when <BR>>> they were being manufactured. When =
I=20
compared it to my Mytek Stereo96 AD <BR>>> and DA (at =
44.1/48), =20
I could hear basically no difference at all. <BR>>> Dimitrios =
likely=20
has the system clocked to this box as well which <BR>>> =
wouldn't hurt=20
anything. I did a little comparison to my RME converters =
<BR>>> (and I=20
have also compared my Mytek AD/DA's) to both the Multiface and a=20
<BR>>> couple of ADI8-DS units I have here. My entire system =
is=20
clocked off the <BR>>> distributed signal of the Mytek AD =
converter=20
and I don't really think the <BR>>> RME converters are majorly =
inferior sounding in comparison to the Mytek. <BR>>> There =
ares some=20
differences but they are more along the lines of <BR>>> =
*differences*=20
rather than super extreme improvements in detail and <BR>>> =
imaging.=20
Maybe my ears just like certain converters or maybe the FF800 =
<BR>>>=20
converters suck in comparison with the older Multiface converters, =
which=20
<BR>>> seem to have a bit of a cult following. I have actually =
seen=20
people in <BR>>> black hooded robes carrying torches and =
chanting=20
while walking down the <BR>>> road outside my house with a =
Multiface=20
on a small altar on the back of a <BR>>> donkey cart during =
full=20
moons. I really sorta prefer the Multiface <BR>>> =
converters to=20
the more expensive ADI8-DS converters. It's not like I'm =
<BR>>> going=20
to ditch them, but there is a tiny difference that I think I =
<BR>>>=20
probably hear, sometimes, maybe, if the wind is blowing in the right =
<BR>>> direction, the humidity levels are just right and I've =
had=20
proper amounts <BR>>> of caffiene and sugar administered=20
interveniously.<BR>>><BR>>>=20
;o)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> "Chris Ludwig" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <BR>>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:467e7f16$1@linux">news:467e7f16$1@linux</A>...<BR>>><B=
R>>>>=20
Neil wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>> Hey man, are you =
SURE that=20
the Mytek convertors sound better<BR>>>>> than the=20
RME's?<BR>>>>><BR>>>> The Mytek's converters =
sound=20
excellent. They should sense they are 3 <BR>>>> times the =
price of=20
the Multiface/Fireface I/Os. To some people they will =
<BR>>>> sound=20
better than RME's. But sense Mytek make no affordable sound cards=20
<BR>>>> with analog I/O on them it is not correct to =
compare them=20
the <BR>>>> Multiface/Fireface I/O. Mytek makes dedicated =
AD and DA=20
converters only <BR>>>> so the only comparison would be the =
ADI-8=20
DS, ADI-2 or ADI8-QS models.<BR>>>> The RME converters used =
on the=20
used on the Fireface, Multiface and <BR>>>> HDSP9632 are =
some of=20
the best you will get integrated onto a sound card. <BR>>>> =
The=20
Myteks should logically sound better than the Multiface and =
<BR>>>>=20
Fireface. If they didn't I don't think Mytek would be in=20
business..:)<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>>> Not =
that=20
I'm doubting your word, I'm just<BR>>>>> wondering if =
the fact=20
that you're using a Fireface (Firewire<BR>>>>> buss) vs. =
a=20
Multiface (PCI buss) makes a=20
differece?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>> =
The=20
Fireface 800 has slightly better converters than the Multiface. The=20
<BR>>>> Multiface has the same converters as the Fireface =
400.=20
There is not <BR>>>> sound difference being caused by one =
being=20
Fire wire and one being=20
PCI.<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>>> I just =
don't see=20
how a better convertor set than the Multiface<BR>>>>> =
can be had=20
for less than some ungodly-high price point =
(perhaps<BR>>>>> I=20
am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i haven't =
tried<BR>>>>>=20
everything that's out there... i just know how good/how=20
well<BR>>>>> these reproduce accurate=20
audio).<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>> It =
can't.=20
Mytek makes nothing that is the same price wise and <BR>>>> =
functionality wish that comes close the value of these RME =
converters.=20
<BR>>>> It wouldn't be fair to be comparing the price of a =
used or=20
discontinued <BR>>>> piece of Mytek gear. The closest =
product they=20
make that can honestly be <BR>>>> compared is the 8x192 =
with the=20
fire wire option card but that sell for <BR>>>>=20
=
$3900.<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>><BR>>>>>=
;=20
Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME=20
realm<BR>>>>> besides the Fireface to the=20
Mytek?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>=20
Neil<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>>=20
Chris<BR>>>> -- <BR>>>> Chris =
Ludwig<BR>>>>=20
ADK<BR>>>> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A> =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>&=
gt;<BR>>>>=20
<A href=3D"http://www.adkproaudio.com">www.adkproaudio.com</A> =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.adkproaudio.com/">http://www.adkproaudio.com/</A>><=
BR>>>>=20
(859) 635-5762<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> <BR>><BR>> =
--=20
<BR>> Chris Ludwig<BR>> ADK<BR>> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A> =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>&=
gt;<BR>>=20
<A href=3D"http://www.adkproaudio.com">www.adkproaudio.com</A> =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.adkproaudio.com/">http://www.adkproaudio.com/</A>><=
BR>>=20
(859) 635-5762 <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
and=20
you?<BR><A=20
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href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
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