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| Fruit computers [message #74137] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 06:59  |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Presumably due to some kind or karmic punishment, I'm being forced to purchase
a fruit labeled computer for someone. I can't figure it out either. However,
it seems _really_ hard fo find deals on them. Is this me being an unsophisticated
GNU/linux dweeb or does Apple actually have that tight of a hold on their
retailers? If you suddenly had to have a cheap MacBook where would you buy
it?
I've already warned the party involved that I won't be able to fix it when
it breaks.
TCB
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| Re: Fruit computers [message #74160 is a reply to message #74149] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 09:25  |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Sorry to hear of your woes, TCB. That's really rough, man life sucks. ;^)
What will be worse is if you actually like the fruity computer when you
set it up and start seeing the advantages to having your own fruity unix
box to run open source and media apps. Yep, this has happened to a lot
of Linux geeks, just ask around on /. Oh the humanity!
Anyway, yes, for discounts on Macs here are a few options: keep an eye
out for sales at CompUSA; grab a rebate through Amazon (linked from
macrumors.com); buy a refurb from the online Apple store; register as a
Mac developer and buy through the developer program; order from one of
the Mac catalogs and get a discount in the form of add-on memory and
other perks; or if your friends are students they can get educational
pricing.
Or just wait a few months and buy the previous model at a discount when
the new model comes out in any category. Or buy a recent used one, G5 or
faster if for serious media production, Intel if laptop.
But I agree with Ab, even if you buy a new one at street price Macs are
a reasonable value well worth considering these days. They range from
less than a grand to around 3 grand; in form factor from laptop to tiny
box to monitor/computer combo to roomy tower; and all current models and
many recent models have plenty of horsepower to handle (for example)
heavy audio production use, in a reasonably elegant environment.
As far as breaking goes, the weak point on PowerBooks used to be the
hinge joints. They changed the design from dual hinges to a wider,
middle hinge which seems much more solid in current and more recent
models. But for any laptop from any manufacturer I always tell people
it's worth it to get a good padded case and use it.
Good luck, enjoy!
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Ab wrote:
> because they are worth the money
>
> Ab
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> There is no "good" deal with a Fruit computer. :)
>>
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>
>>> Presumably due to some kind or karmic punishment, I'm being forced to purchase
>>> a fruit labeled computer for someone. I can't figure it out either. However,
>>> it seems _really_ hard fo find deals on them. Is this me being an unsophisticated
>>> GNU/linux dweeb or does Apple actually have that tight of a hold on their
>>> retailers? If you suddenly had to have a cheap MacBook where would you
> buy
>>> it?
>>>
>>> I've already warned the party involved that I won't be able to fix it when
>>> it breaks.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>
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| Re: Fruit computers [message #74176 is a reply to message #74160] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 10:00 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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I've never understood the ./ crew and their love of fruit computers. Especially
since Theo de Raadt has more than once complained about the kind of citizen
Apple has been in the BSD community. But hey, there's no accounting for taste.
But luckily for me this will be a 'handoff' gig. Get the box, make sure it
starts up, and give it to the user. Whey I wrote 'break' I mean there are
application/OS problems. Someone asked me to fix their OS X.SomeKitty recently
and just far enough away from what I know to completely flummox me.
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Sorry to hear of your woes, TCB. That's really rough, man life sucks. ;^)
>
>What will be worse is if you actually like the fruity computer when you
>set it up and start seeing the advantages to having your own fruity unix
>box to run open source and media apps. Yep, this has happened to a lot
>of Linux geeks, just ask around on /. Oh the humanity!
>
>Anyway, yes, for discounts on Macs here are a few options: keep an eye
>out for sales at CompUSA; grab a rebate through Amazon (linked from
>macrumors.com); buy a refurb from the online Apple store; register as a
>Mac developer and buy through the developer program; order from one of
>the Mac catalogs and get a discount in the form of add-on memory and
>other perks; or if your friends are students they can get educational
>pricing.
>
>Or just wait a few months and buy the previous model at a discount when
>the new model comes out in any category. Or buy a recent used one, G5 or
>faster if for serious media production, Intel if laptop.
>
>But I agree with Ab, even if you buy a new one at street price Macs are
>a reasonable value well worth considering these days. They range from
>less than a grand to around 3 grand; in form factor from laptop to tiny
>box to monitor/computer combo to roomy tower; and all current models and
>many recent models have plenty of horsepower to handle (for example)
>heavy audio production use, in a reasonably elegant environment.
>
>As far as breaking goes, the weak point on PowerBooks used to be the
>hinge joints. They changed the design from dual hinges to a wider,
>middle hinge which seems much more solid in current and more recent
>models. But for any laptop from any manufacturer I always tell people
>it's worth it to get a good padded case and use it.
>
>Good luck, enjoy!
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>Ab wrote:
>> because they are worth the money
>>
>> Ab
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>> There is no "good" deal with a Fruit computer. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>
>>>> Presumably due to some kind or karmic punishment, I'm being forced to
purchase
>>>> a fruit labeled computer for someone. I can't figure it out either.
However,
>>>> it seems _really_ hard fo find deals on them. Is this me being an unsophisticated
>>>> GNU/linux dweeb or does Apple actually have that tight of a hold on
their
>>>> retailers? If you suddenly had to have a cheap MacBook where would you
>> buy
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> I've already warned the party involved that I won't be able to fix it
when
>>>> it breaks.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
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| Re: Fruit computers [message #74189 is a reply to message #74176] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 12:02 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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You could ask on /., I'm sure they'll tell you why OSX is popular there.
There's no shortage of opinions on /. :^)
Buying a Mac is pretty simple, and running one is easier than most other
systems these days. Fire it up and go. Shouldn't take more than a minute
of your time. Heck, you probably wouldn't even need to be in the (fruit)
loop on this one unless the user is a complete neophyte and needs basic
handholding to start out.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> I've never understood the ./ crew and their love of fruit computers. Especially
> since Theo de Raadt has more than once complained about the kind of citizen
> Apple has been in the BSD community. But hey, there's no accounting for taste.
>
>
> But luckily for me this will be a 'handoff' gig. Get the box, make sure it
> starts up, and give it to the user. Whey I wrote 'break' I mean there are
> application/OS problems. Someone asked me to fix their OS X.SomeKitty recently
> and just far enough away from what I know to completely flummox me.
>
> TCB
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> Sorry to hear of your woes, TCB. That's really rough, man life sucks. ;^)
>>
>> What will be worse is if you actually like the fruity computer when you
>
>> set it up and start seeing the advantages to having your own fruity unix
>
>> box to run open source and media apps. Yep, this has happened to a lot
>> of Linux geeks, just ask around on /. Oh the humanity!
>>
>> Anyway, yes, for discounts on Macs here are a few options: keep an eye
>> out for sales at CompUSA; grab a rebate through Amazon (linked from
>> macrumors.com); buy a refurb from the online Apple store; register as a
>
>> Mac developer and buy through the developer program; order from one of
>> the Mac catalogs and get a discount in the form of add-on memory and
>> other perks; or if your friends are students they can get educational
>> pricing.
>>
>> Or just wait a few months and buy the previous model at a discount when
>
>> the new model comes out in any category. Or buy a recent used one, G5 or
>
>> faster if for serious media production, Intel if laptop.
>>
>> But I agree with Ab, even if you buy a new one at street price Macs are
>
>> a reasonable value well worth considering these days. They range from
>> less than a grand to around 3 grand; in form factor from laptop to tiny
>
>> box to monitor/computer combo to roomy tower; and all current models and
>
>> many recent models have plenty of horsepower to handle (for example)
>> heavy audio production use, in a reasonably elegant environment.
>>
>> As far as breaking goes, the weak point on PowerBooks used to be the
>> hinge joints. They changed the design from dual hinges to a wider,
>> middle hinge which seems much more solid in current and more recent
>> models. But for any laptop from any manufacturer I always tell people
>> it's worth it to get a good padded case and use it.
>>
>> Good luck, enjoy!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Ab wrote:
>>> because they are worth the money
>>>
>>> Ab
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>> There is no "good" deal with a Fruit computer. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Presumably due to some kind or karmic punishment, I'm being forced to
> purchase
>>>>> a fruit labeled computer for someone. I can't figure it out either.
> However,
>>>>> it seems _really_ hard fo find deals on them. Is this me being an unsophisticated
>>>>> GNU/linux dweeb or does Apple actually have that tight of a hold on
> their
>>>>> retailers? If you suddenly had to have a cheap MacBook where would you
>>> buy
>>>>> it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've already warned the party involved that I won't be able to fix it
> when
>>>>> it breaks.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>> ADK
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>
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| Re: Fruit computers [message #74224 is a reply to message #74189] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 16:18 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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There is only a 7 to 13% margin on them. Well that was some years ago, who
knows now, I'm sure its not better.
Anyways, the two best deals are, educational discount, 10% off (sign up for
under water basket weaving at the local college, cancel the class later).
Second way is to sign up for student ADC, A developer, it cost $99.00 for
a year, and you get a one time hardware discount of 20% off, there is no
better deal! With ADC you get all the ADC developer materials mailed to
you, including the latest software. They have a major OS release once a
year at a cost of $129.00, with ADC they send it to you for free. You even
get a free T-shirt. Anybody can become a student ADC member for $99.00.
James
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>You could ask on /., I'm sure they'll tell you why OSX is popular there.
>There's no shortage of opinions on /. :^)
>
>Buying a Mac is pretty simple, and running one is easier than most other
>systems these days. Fire it up and go. Shouldn't take more than a minute
>of your time. Heck, you probably wouldn't even need to be in the (fruit)
>loop on this one unless the user is a complete neophyte and needs basic
>handholding to start out.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> I've never understood the ./ crew and their love of fruit computers. Especially
>> since Theo de Raadt has more than once complained about the kind of citizen
>> Apple has been in the BSD community. But hey, there's no accounting for
taste.
>>
>>
>> But luckily for me this will be a 'handoff' gig. Get the box, make sure
it
>> starts up, and give it to the user. Whey I wrote 'break' I mean there
are
>> application/OS problems. Someone asked me to fix their OS X.SomeKitty
recently
>> and just far enough away from what I know to completely flummox me.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> Sorry to hear of your woes, TCB. That's really rough, man life sucks.
;^)
>>>
>>> What will be worse is if you actually like the fruity computer when you
>>
>>> set it up and start seeing the advantages to having your own fruity unix
>>
>>> box to run open source and media apps. Yep, this has happened to a lot
>>> of Linux geeks, just ask around on /. Oh the humanity!
>>>
>>> Anyway, yes, for discounts on Macs here are a few options: keep an eye
>>> out for sales at CompUSA; grab a rebate through Amazon (linked from
>>> macrumors.com); buy a refurb from the online Apple store; register as
a
>>
>>> Mac developer and buy through the developer program; order from one of
>>> the Mac catalogs and get a discount in the form of add-on memory and
>>> other perks; or if your friends are students they can get educational
>>> pricing.
>>>
>>> Or just wait a few months and buy the previous model at a discount when
>>
>>> the new model comes out in any category. Or buy a recent used one, G5
or
>>
>>> faster if for serious media production, Intel if laptop.
>>>
>>> But I agree with Ab, even if you buy a new one at street price Macs are
>>
>>> a reasonable value well worth considering these days. They range from
>>> less than a grand to around 3 grand; in form factor from laptop to tiny
>>
>>> box to monitor/computer combo to roomy tower; and all current models
and
>>
>>> many recent models have plenty of horsepower to handle (for example)
>>> heavy audio production use, in a reasonably elegant environment.
>>>
>>> As far as breaking goes, the weak point on PowerBooks used to be the
>>> hinge joints. They changed the design from dual hinges to a wider,
>>> middle hinge which seems much more solid in current and more recent
>>> models. But for any laptop from any manufacturer I always tell people
>>> it's worth it to get a good padded case and use it.
>>>
>>> Good luck, enjoy!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ab wrote:
>>>> because they are worth the money
>>>>
>>>> Ab
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>> There is no "good" deal with a Fruit computer. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Presumably due to some kind or karmic punishment, I'm being forced
to
>> purchase
>>>>>> a fruit labeled computer for someone. I can't figure it out either.
>> However,
>>>>>> it seems _really_ hard fo find deals on them. Is this me being an
unsophisticated
>>>>>> GNU/linux dweeb or does Apple actually have that tight of a hold on
>> their
>>>>>> retailers? If you suddenly had to have a cheap MacBook where would
you
>>>> buy
>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've already warned the party involved that I won't be able to fix
it
>> when
>>>>>> it breaks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>> ADK
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
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| Re: Fruit computers [message #74237 is a reply to message #74224] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 18:56 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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For retailers. 10% with 6% quarterly marketing fund rebates is the most
common for indy retailers. I'm sure there are special deal for large
chains but I doubt they are more than 5% more.
As long as you don't ever sell Apple software with the Apple computer
you can make money. Oh and sell Apple (Don't) Care this might add some
profit as long as you can stomach the bad karma of selling a sham ..umm
I'm mean enhanced warranty. The price on Apple web site is the price.
Dealers will only discount a few dollars at most and usually only on
demo/discontinued or the occasional (special) from Apple.
The educational deal is the only way to get any major discount for most
users but of course there are only a handful of dealers allowed to sell
EDU Apple stuff.
Chris
James McCloskey wrote:
>There is only a 7 to 13% margin on them. Well that was some years ago, who
>knows now, I'm sure its not better.
>
>Anyways, the two best deals are, educational discount, 10% off (sign up for
>under water basket weaving at the local college, cancel the class later).
>
>
>Second way is to sign up for student ADC, A developer, it cost $99.00 for
>a year, and you get a one time hardware discount of 20% off, there is no
> better deal! With ADC you get all the ADC developer materials mailed to
>you, including the latest software. They have a major OS release once a
>year at a cost of $129.00, with ADC they send it to you for free. You even
>get a free T-shirt. Anybody can become a student ADC member for $99.00.
>
>James
>
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>
>>You could ask on /., I'm sure they'll tell you why OSX is popular there.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>There's no shortage of opinions on /. :^)
>>
>>Buying a Mac is pretty simple, and running one is easier than most other
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>systems these days. Fire it up and go. Shouldn't take more than a minute
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>of your time. Heck, you probably wouldn't even need to be in the (fruit)
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>loop on this one unless the user is a complete neophyte and needs basic
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>handholding to start out.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I've never understood the ./ crew and their love of fruit computers. Especially
>>>since Theo de Raadt has more than once complained about the kind of citizen
>>>Apple has been in the BSD community. But hey, there's no accounting for
>>>
>>>
>taste.
>
>
>>>But luckily for me this will be a 'handoff' gig. Get the box, make sure
>>>
>>>
>it
>
>
>>>starts up, and give it to the user. Whey I wrote 'break' I mean there
>>>
>>>
>are
>
>
>>>application/OS problems. Someone asked me to fix their OS X.SomeKitty
>>>
>>>
>recently
>
>
>>>and just far enough away from what I know to completely flummox me.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sorry to hear of your woes, TCB. That's really rough, man life sucks.
>>>>
>>>>
>;^)
>
>
>>>>What will be worse is if you actually like the fruity computer when you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>set it up and start seeing the advantages to having your own fruity unix
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>box to run open source and media apps. Yep, this has happened to a lot
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>of Linux geeks, just ask around on /. Oh the humanity!
>>>>
>>>>Anyway, yes, for discounts on Macs here are a few options: keep an eye
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>out for sales at CompUSA; grab a rebate through Amazon (linked from
>>>>macrumors.com); buy a refurb from the online Apple store; register as
>>>>
>>>>
>a
>
>
>>>>Mac developer and buy through the developer program; order from one of
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>the Mac catalogs and get a discount in the form of add-on memory and
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>other perks; or if your friends are students they can get educational
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>pricing.
>>>>
>>>>Or just wait a few months and buy the previous model at a discount when
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>the new model comes out in any category. Or buy a recent used one, G5
>>>>
>>>>
>or
>
>
>>>>faster if for serious media production, Intel if laptop.
>>>>
>>>>But I agree with Ab, even if you buy a new one at street price Macs are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>a reasonable value well worth considering these days. They range from
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>less than a grand to around 3 grand; in form factor from laptop to tiny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>box to monitor/computer combo to roomy tower; and all current models
>>>>
>>>>
>and
>
>
>>>>many recent models have plenty of horsepower to handle (for example)
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>heavy audio production use, in a reasonably elegant environment.
>>>>
>>>>As far as breaking goes, the weak point on PowerBooks used to be the
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>hinge joints. They changed the design from dual hinges to a wider,
>>>>middle hinge which seems much more solid in current and more recent
>>>>models. But for any laptop from any manufacturer I always tell people
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>it's worth it to get a good padded case and use it.
>>>>
>>>>Good luck, enjoy!
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ab wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>because they are worth the money
>>>>>
>>>>>Ab
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>There is no "good" deal with a Fruit computer. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Presumably due to some kind or karmic punishment, I'm being forced
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>to
>
>
>>>purchase
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>a fruit labeled computer for someone. I can't figure it out either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>However,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>it seems _really_ hard fo find deals on them. Is this me being an
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>unsophisticated
>
>
>>>>>>>GNU/linux dweeb or does Apple actually have that tight of a hold on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>their
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>retailers? If you suddenly had to have a cheap MacBook where would
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>you
>
>
>>>>>buy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've already warned the party involved that I won't be able to fix
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>it
>
>
>>>when
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>it breaks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Fruit computers [message #74252 is a reply to message #74237] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 21:22 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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The discounts on PC hardware were about 7 to 10%. As an authorized dealer/VAR
for many major brands, I rarely ever saw any kind of rebate, cash back money.
Apple comes with a one year warranty, and 90 days phone in tech support.
However, you can set up an appointment and walk in to any Apple store for
free tech support. Apple does have an extended 3 year warranty, and it is
vary reasonable on the consumer models. I personally got great service on
my extended warranties. They will replace anything that is defective in
the time frame.
James
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>For retailers. 10% with 6% quarterly marketing fund rebates is the most
>common for indy retailers. I'm sure there are special deal for large
>chains but I doubt they are more than 5% more.
>As long as you don't ever sell Apple software with the Apple computer
>you can make money. Oh and sell Apple (Don't) Care this might add some
>profit as long as you can stomach the bad karma of selling a sham ..umm
>I'm mean enhanced warranty. The price on Apple web site is the price.
>Dealers will only discount a few dollars at most and usually only on
>demo/discontinued or the occasional (special) from Apple.
>The educational deal is the only way to get any major discount for most
>users but of course there are only a handful of dealers allowed to sell
>EDU Apple stuff.
>Chris
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>
>>There is only a 7 to 13% margin on them. Well that was some years ago,
who
>>knows now, I'm sure its not better.
>>
>>Anyways, the two best deals are, educational discount, 10% off (sign up
for
>>under water basket weaving at the local college, cancel the class later).
>>
>>
>>Second way is to sign up for student ADC, A developer, it cost $99.00 for
>>a year, and you get a one time hardware discount of 20% off, there is no
>> better deal! With ADC you get all the ADC developer materials mailed
to
>>you, including the latest software. They have a major OS release once
a
>>year at a cost of $129.00, with ADC they send it to you for free. You
even
>>get a free T-shirt. Anybody can become a student ADC member for $99.00.
>>
>>James
>>
>>
>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You could ask on /., I'm sure they'll tell you why OSX is popular there.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>There's no shortage of opinions on /. :^)
>>>
>>>Buying a Mac is pretty simple, and running one is easier than most other
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>systems these days. Fire it up and go. Shouldn't take more than a minute
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>of your time. Heck, you probably wouldn't even need to be in the (fruit)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>loop on this one unless the user is a complete neophyte and needs basic
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>handholding to start out.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've never understood the ./ crew and their love of fruit computers.
Especially
>>>>since Theo de Raadt has more than once complained about the kind of citizen
>>>>Apple has been in the BSD community. But hey, there's no accounting for
>>>>
>>>>
>>taste.
>>
>>
>>>>But luckily for me this will be a 'handoff' gig. Get the box, make sure
>>>>
>>>>
>>it
>>
>>
>>>>starts up, and give it to the user. Whey I wrote 'break' I mean there
>>>>
>>>>
>>are
>>
>>
>>>>application/OS problems. Someone asked me to fix their OS X.SomeKitty
>>>>
>>>>
>>recently
>>
>>
>>>>and just far enough away from what I know to completely flummox me.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sorry to hear of your woes, TCB. That's really rough, man life sucks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>;^)
>>
>>
>>>>>What will be worse is if you actually like the fruity computer when
you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>set it up and start seeing the advantages to having your own fruity
unix
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>box to run open source and media apps. Yep, this has happened to a lot
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>of Linux geeks, just ask around on /. Oh the humanity!
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, yes, for discounts on Macs here are a few options: keep an eye
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>out for sales at CompUSA; grab a rebate through Amazon (linked from
>>>>>macrumors.com); buy a refurb from the online Apple store; register as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>a
>>
>>
>>>>>Mac developer and buy through the developer program; order from one
of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>the Mac catalogs and get a discount in the form of add-on memory and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>other perks; or if your friends are students they can get educational
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>pricing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or just wait a few months and buy the previous model at a discount when
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>the new model comes out in any category. Or buy a recent used one, G5
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>or
>>
>>
>>>>>faster if for serious media production, Intel if laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>>But I agree with Ab, even if you buy a new one at street price Macs
are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>a reasonable value well worth considering these days. They range from
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>less than a grand to around 3 grand; in form factor from laptop to tiny
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>box to monitor/computer combo to roomy tower; and all current models
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>>>many recent models have plenty of horsepower to handle (for example)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>heavy audio production use, in a reasonably elegant environment.
>>>>>
>>>>>As far as breaking goes, the weak point on PowerBooks used to be the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>hinge joints. They changed the design from dual hinges to a wider,
>>>>>middle hinge which seems much more solid in current and more recent
>>>>>models. But for any laptop from any manufacturer I always tell people
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>it's worth it to get a good padded case and use it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Good luck, enjoy!
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ab wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>because they are worth the money
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ab
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is no "good" deal with a Fruit computer. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Presumably due to some kind or karmic punishment, I'm being forced
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>>>purchase
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>a fruit labeled computer for someone. I can't figure it out either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>However,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>it seems _really_ hard fo find deals on them. Is this me being an
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>unsophisticated
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>GNU/linux dweeb or does Apple actually have that tight of a hold
on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>their
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>retailers? If you suddenly had to have a cheap MacBook where would
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>you
>>
>>
>>>>>>buy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've already warned the party involved that I won't be able to fix
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>it
>>
>>
>>>>when
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>it breaks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Fruit computers [message #74259 is a reply to message #74252] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 23:40 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Hi James,
Same as most any PC vendor has done for years. The walk in support is
unique but mostly due to Apple using the store as a major source of
sales and selling training and support. They do quite well with that
model. I loved the first G5 models but the new Intel ones were
disappointing. I think it was a big mistake leaving PCI slots off the
machine. I really think more PC users would be buying them if they had a
couple. They use a Intel Xeon motherboard so there is no reason why they
couldn't have. There is absolutely no performance loss from having 2 or
3 PCI slots on thee machine. Same thing happened though on the G5 when
they changed the PCI slots so they couldnt support older PCI cards.
Everyone who wanted to switch had to wait for hardware people to release
compatible cards or buy all new gear. Same thing is happening with the
new Macs. This I think is keeping allot of PC users especially general
consumer types from switching. From the commercial it certainly looks
like they are trying get some of the home computer user. I think they
would be moving allot more boxes and gaining a larger slice of the pie
if they made the machine a little more "backwards compatible".
Chris
James McCloskey wrote:
>The discounts on PC hardware were about 7 to 10%. As an authorized dealer/VAR
>for many major brands, I rarely ever saw any kind of rebate, cash back money.
>
>Apple comes with a one year warranty, and 90 days phone in tech support.
> However, you can set up an appointment and walk in to any Apple store for
>free tech support. Apple does have an extended 3 year warranty, and it is
>vary reasonable on the consumer models. I personally got great service on
>my extended warranties. They will replace anything that is defective in
>the time frame.
>
>James
>
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>>For retailers. 10% with 6% quarterly marketing fund rebates is the most
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>common for indy retailers. I'm sure there are special deal for large
>>chains but I doubt they are more than 5% more.
>>As long as you don't ever sell Apple software with the Apple computer
>>you can make money. Oh and sell Apple (Don't) Care this might add some
>>profit as long as you can stomach the bad karma of selling a sham ..umm
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>I'm mean enhanced warranty. The price on Apple web site is the price.
>>Dealers will only discount a few dollars at most and usually only on
>>demo/discontinued or the occasional (special) from Apple.
>>The educational deal is the only way to get any major discount for most
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>users but of course there are only a handful of dealers allowed to sell
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>EDU Apple stuff.
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>There is only a 7 to 13% margin on them. Well that was some years ago,
>>>
>>>
>who
>
>
>>>knows now, I'm sure its not better.
>>>
>>>Anyways, the two best deals are, educational discount, 10% off (sign up
>>>
>>>
>for
>
>
>>>under water basket weaving at the local college, cancel the class later).
>>>
>>>
>>>Second way is to sign up for student ADC, A developer, it cost $99.00 for
>>>a year, and you get a one time hardware discount of 20% off, there is no
>>>better deal! With ADC you get all the ADC developer materials mailed
>>>
>>>
>to
>
>
>>>you, including the latest software. They have a major OS release once
>>>
>>>
>a
>
>
>>>year at a cost of $129.00, with ADC they send it to you for free. You
>>>
>>>
>even
>
>
>>>get a free T-shirt. Anybody can become a student ADC member for $99.00.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You could ask on /., I'm sure they'll tell you why OSX is popular there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>There's no shortage of opinions on /. :^)
>>>>
>>>>Buying a Mac is pretty simple, and running one is easier than most other
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>systems these days. Fire it up and go. Shouldn't take more than a minute
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>of your time. Heck, you probably wouldn't even need to be in the (fruit)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>loop on this one unless the user is a complete neophyte and needs basic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>handholding to start out.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>-Jamie
>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I've never understood the ./ crew and their love of fruit computers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>Especially
>
>
>>>>>since Theo de Raadt has more than once complained about the kind of citizen
>>>>>Apple has been in the BSD community. But hey, there's no accounting for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>taste.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>But luckily for me this will be a 'handoff' gig. Get the box, make sure
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>starts up, and give it to the user. Whey I wrote 'break' I mean there
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>are
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>application/OS problems. Someone asked me to fix their OS X.SomeKitty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>recently
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>and just far enough away from what I know to completely flummox me.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sorry to hear of your woes, TCB. That's really rough, man life sucks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>;^)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>What will be worse is if you actually like the fruity computer when
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>you
>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>set it up and start seeing the advantages to having your own fruity
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>unix
>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>box to run open source and media apps. Yep, this has happened to a lot
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>of Linux geeks, just ask around on /. Oh the humanity!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway, yes, for discounts on Macs here are a few options: keep an eye
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>out for sales at CompUSA; grab a rebate through Amazon (linked from
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>macrumors.com); buy a refurb from the online Apple store; register as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Mac developer and buy through the developer program; order from one
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>of
>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>the Mac catalogs and get a discount in the form of add-on memory and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>other perks; or if your friends are students they can get educational
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>pricing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Or just wait a few months and buy the previous model at a discount when
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>the new model comes out in any category. Or buy a recent used one, G5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>or
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>faster if for serious media production, Intel if laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But I agree with Ab, even if you buy a new one at street price Macs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>are
>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>a reasonable value well worth considering these days. They range from
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>less than a grand to around 3 grand; in form factor from laptop to tiny
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>box to monitor/computer combo to roomy tower; and all current models
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>many recent models have plenty of horsepower to handle (for example)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>heavy audio production use, in a reasonably elegant environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As far as breaking goes, the weak point on PowerBooks used to be the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>hinge joints. They changed the design from dual hinges to a wider,
>>>>>>middle hinge which seems much more solid in current and more recent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
>
>>>>>>models. But for any laptop from any manufacturer I always tell people
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>it's worth it to get a good padded case and use it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good luck, enjoy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>-Jamie
>>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ab wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>because they are worth the money
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ab
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There is no "good" deal with a Fruit computer. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Presumably due to some kind or karmic punishment, I'm being forced
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>purchase
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a fruit labeled computer for someone. I can't figure it out either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>However,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>it seems _really_ hard fo find deals on them. Is this me being an
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>unsophisticated
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>GNU/linux dweeb or does Apple actually have that tight of a hold
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>on
>
>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>their
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>retailers? If you suddenly had to have a cheap MacBook where would
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>buy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've already warned the party involved that I won't be able to fix
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>when
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>it breaks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Fruit computers [message #74264 is a reply to message #74176] |
Tue, 17 October 2006 02:32 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
if you shop around you can usually find sites that offer ram or dvd
upgrades free. also buying a refurb will save you a few bucks plus
fruit.com will throw in one or both of the above to sweeten the deal.
one last thing www.macfixit.com
On 17 Oct 2006 03:00:20 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I've never understood the ./ crew and their love of fruit computers. Especially
>since Theo de Raadt has more than once complained about the kind of citizen
>Apple has been in the BSD community. But hey, there's no accounting for taste.
>
>
>But luckily for me this will be a 'handoff' gig. Get the box, make sure it
>starts up, and give it to the user. Whey I wrote 'break' I mean there are
>application/OS problems. Someone asked me to fix their OS X.SomeKitty recently
>and just far enough away from what I know to completely flummox me.
>
>TCB
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sorry to hear of your woes, TCB. That's really rough, man life sucks. ;^)
>>
>>What will be worse is if you actually like the fruity computer when you
>
>>set it up and start seeing the advantages to having your own fruity unix
>
>>box to run open source and media apps. Yep, this has happened to a lot
>>of Linux geeks, just ask around on /. Oh the humanity!
>>
>>Anyway, yes, for discounts on Macs here are a few options: keep an eye
>>out for sales at CompUSA; grab a rebate through Amazon (linked from
>>macrumors.com); buy a refurb from the online Apple store; register as a
>
>>Mac developer and buy through the developer program; order from one of
>>the Mac catalogs and get a discount in the form of add-on memory and
>>other perks; or if your friends are students they can get educational
>>pricing.
>>
>>Or just wait a few months and buy the previous model at a discount when
>
>>the new model comes out in any category. Or buy a recent used one, G5 or
>
>>faster if for serious media production, Intel if laptop.
>>
>>But I agree with Ab, even if you buy a new one at street price Macs are
>
>>a reasonable value well worth considering these days. They range from
>>less than a grand to around 3 grand; in form factor from laptop to tiny
>
>>box to monitor/computer combo to roomy tower; and all current models and
>
>>many recent models have plenty of horsepower to handle (for example)
>>heavy audio production use, in a reasonably elegant environment.
>>
>>As far as breaking goes, the weak point on PowerBooks used to be the
>>hinge joints. They changed the design from dual hinges to a wider,
>>middle hinge which seems much more solid in current and more recent
>>models. But for any laptop from any manufacturer I always tell people
>>it's worth it to get a good padded case and use it.
>>
>>Good luck, enjoy!
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>Ab wrote:
>>> because they are worth the money
>>>
>>> Ab
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>> There is no "good" deal with a Fruit computer. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Presumably due to some kind or karmic punishment, I'm being forced to
>purchase
>>>>> a fruit labeled computer for someone. I can't figure it out either.
>However,
>>>>> it seems _really_ hard fo find deals on them. Is this me being an unsophisticated
>>>>> GNU/linux dweeb or does Apple actually have that tight of a hold on
>their
>>>>> retailers? If you suddenly had to have a cheap MacBook where would you
>>> buy
>>>>> it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've already warned the party involved that I won't be able to fix it
>when
>>>>> it breaks.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>> ADK
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>
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| Re: Fruit computers [message #74305 is a reply to message #74259] |
Tue, 17 October 2006 11:41 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Chris, I think your right! Apple blew a sale of a G5 to me because I couldn't
stick my paris cards in it, or any other standard PCI card for that matter.
That's Apples idea of progress, they want to be on the cutting edge, but
they leave customers behind in the process.
I think they need computers that cost $599.00 to $999.00 with five combo
PCI slots, for consumers. They could really take some of the market.
James
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi James,
>Same as most any PC vendor has done for years. The walk in support is
>unique but mostly due to Apple using the store as a major source of
>sales and selling training and support. They do quite well with that
>model. I loved the first G5 models but the new Intel ones were
>disappointing. I think it was a big mistake leaving PCI slots off the
>machine. I really think more PC users would be buying them if they had a
>couple. They use a Intel Xeon motherboard so there is no reason why they
>couldn't have. There is absolutely no performance loss from having 2 or
>3 PCI slots on thee machine. Same thing happened though on the G5 when
>they changed the PCI slots so they couldnt support older PCI cards.
>Everyone who wanted to switch had to wait for hardware people to release
>compatible cards or buy all new gear. Same thing is happening with the
>new Macs. This I think is keeping allot of PC users especially general
>consumer types from switching. From the commercial it certainly looks
>like they are trying get some of the home computer user. I think they
>would be moving allot more boxes and gaining a larger slice of the pie
>if they made the machine a little more "backwards compatible".
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>
>>The discounts on PC hardware were about 7 to 10%. As an authorized dealer/VAR
>>for many major brands, I rarely ever saw any kind of rebate, cash back
money.
>>
>>Apple comes with a one year warranty, and 90 days phone in tech support.
>> However, you can set up an appointment and walk in to any Apple store
for
>>free tech support. Apple does have an extended 3 year warranty, and it
is
>>vary reasonable on the consumer models. I personally got great service
on
>>my extended warranties. They will replace anything that is defective in
>>the time frame.
>>
>>James
>>
>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>For retailers. 10% with 6% quarterly marketing fund rebates is the most
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>common for indy retailers. I'm sure there are special deal for large
>>>chains but I doubt they are more than 5% more.
>>>As long as you don't ever sell Apple software with the Apple computer
>>>you can make money. Oh and sell Apple (Don't) Care this might add some
>>>profit as long as you can stomach the bad karma of selling a sham ..umm
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I'm mean enhanced warranty. The price on Apple web site is the price.
>>>Dealers will only discount a few dollars at most and usually only on
>>>demo/discontinued or the occasional (special) from Apple.
>>>The educational deal is the only way to get any major discount for most
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>users but of course there are only a handful of dealers allowed to sell
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>EDU Apple stuff.
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>There is only a 7 to 13% margin on them. Well that was some years ago,
>>>>
>>>>
>>who
>>
>>
>>>>knows now, I'm sure its not better.
>>>>
>>>>Anyways, the two best deals are, educational discount, 10% off (sign
up
>>>>
>>>>
>>for
>>
>>
>>>>under water basket weaving at the local college, cancel the class later).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Second way is to sign up for student ADC, A developer, it cost $99.00
for
>>>>a year, and you get a one time hardware discount of 20% off, there is
no
>>>>better deal! With ADC you get all the ADC developer materials mailed
>>>>
>>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>>>you, including the latest software. They have a major OS release once
>>>>
>>>>
>>a
>>
>>
>>>>year at a cost of $129.00, with ADC they send it to you for free. You
>>>>
>>>>
>>even
>>
>>
>>>>get a free T-shirt. Anybody can become a student ADC member for $99.00.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You could ask on /., I'm sure they'll tell you why OSX is popular there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>There's no shortage of opinions on /. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>>Buying a Mac is pretty simple, and running one is easier than most other
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>systems these days. Fire it up and go. Shouldn't take more than a minute
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>of your time. Heck, you probably wouldn't even need to be in the (fruit)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>loop on this one unless the user is a complete neophyte and needs basic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>handholding to start out.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>-Jamie
>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I've never understood the ./ crew and their love of fruit computers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>Especially
>>
>>
>>>>>>since Theo de Raadt has more than once complained about the kind of
citizen
>>>>>>Apple has been in the BSD community. But hey, there's no accounting
for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>taste.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>But luckily for me this will be a 'handoff' gig. Get the box, make
sure
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>starts up, and give it to the user. Whey I wrote 'break' I mean there
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>application/OS problems. Someone asked me to fix their OS X.SomeKitty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>recently
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>and just far enough away from what I know to completely flummox me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry to hear of your woes, TCB. That's really rough, man life sucks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>;^)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>What will be worse is if you actually like the fruity computer when
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>you
>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>set it up and start seeing the advantages to having your own fruity
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>unix
>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>box to run open source and media apps. Yep, this has happened to a
lot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>of Linux geeks, just ask around on /. Oh the humanity!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway, yes, for discounts on Macs here are a few options: keep an
eye
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>out for sales at CompUSA; grab a rebate through Amazon (linked from
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>macrumors.com); buy a refurb from the online Apple store; register
as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Mac developer and buy through the developer program; order from one
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>of
>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>the Mac catalogs and get a discount in the form of add-on memory and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>other perks; or if your friends are students they can get educational
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>pricing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Or just wait a few months and buy the previous model at a discount
when
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>the new model comes out in any category. Or buy a recent used one,
G5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>faster if for serious media production, Intel if laptop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But I agree with Ab, even if you buy a new one at street price Macs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>are
>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>a reasonable value well worth considering these days. They range from
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>less than a grand to around 3 grand; in form factor from laptop to
tiny
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>box to monitor/computer combo to roomy tower; and all current models
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>many recent models have plenty of horsepower to handle (for example)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>heavy audio production use, in a reasonably elegant environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As far as breaking goes, the weak point on PowerBooks used to be the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>hinge joints. They changed the design from dual hinges to a wider,
>>>>>>>middle hinge which seems much more solid in current and more recent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>models. But for any laptop from any manufacturer I always tell people
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>it's worth it to get a good padded case and use it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Good luck, enjoy!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>-Jamie
>>>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ab wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>because they are worth the money
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ab
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>There is no "good" deal with a Fruit computer. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Presumably due to some kind or karmic punishment, I'm being forced
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>purchase
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a fruit labeled computer for someone. I can't figure it out either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>However,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>it seems _really_ hard fo find deals on them. Is this me being
an
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>unsophisticated
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>GNU/linux dweeb or does Apple actually have that tight of a hold
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>on
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>their
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>retailers? If you suddenly had to have a cheap MacBook where would
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>buy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I've already warned the party involved that I won't be able to
fix
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>when
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>it breaks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Fruit computers [message #74309 is a reply to message #74305] |
Tue, 17 October 2006 11:59 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Good point, at least one legacy slot would have been a good for folks
with an investment in older hardware. OTOH, PARIS doesn't work with G5
boxes anyway, they don't run OS9 except through emulation. And
CreatIDsonique completely dropped the ball with OSX.
BTW the morphing PCI scenario is a great argument for using a Firewire
audio interface. My Motu 828MII has migrated from a G4 Powermac to a G4
laptop to a G5 Powermac with no problems, and it will work fine on
MacIntel laptops and next year's 8 processor MacPro should I be tempted
in that direction.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
James McCloskey wrote:
> Chris, I think your right! Apple blew a sale of a G5 to me because I couldn't
> stick my paris cards in it, or any other standard PCI card for that matter.
> That's Apples idea of progress, they want to be on the cutting edge, but
> they leave customers behind in the process.
>
> I think they need computers that cost $599.00 to $999.00 with five combo
> PCI slots, for consumers. They could really take some of the market.
>
> James
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> Hi James,
>> Same as most any PC vendor has done for years. The walk in support is
>> unique but mostly due to Apple using the store as a major source of
>> sales and selling training and support. They do quite well with that
>> model. I loved the first G5 models but the new Intel ones were
>> disappointing. I think it was a big mistake leaving PCI slots off the
>> machine. I really think more PC users would be buying them if they had a
>
>> couple. They use a Intel Xeon motherboard so there is no reason why they
>
>> couldn't have. There is absolutely no performance loss from having 2 or
>
>> 3 PCI slots on thee machine. Same thing happened though on the G5 when
>
>> they changed the PCI slots so they couldnt support older PCI cards.
>> Everyone who wanted to switch had to wait for hardware people to release
>
>> compatible cards or buy all new gear. Same thing is happening with the
>> new Macs. This I think is keeping allot of PC users especially general
>> consumer types from switching. From the commercial it certainly looks
>> like they are trying get some of the home computer user. I think they
>> would be moving allot more boxes and gaining a larger slice of the pie
>> if they made the machine a little more "backwards compatible".
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>
>>> The discounts on PC hardware were about 7 to 10%. As an authorized dealer/VAR
>>> for many major brands, I rarely ever saw any kind of rebate, cash back
> money.
>>> Apple comes with a one year warranty, and 90 days phone in tech support.
>>> However, you can set up an appointment and walk in to any Apple store
> for
>>> free tech support. Apple does have an extended 3 year warranty, and it
> is
>>> vary reasonable on the consumer models. I personally got great service
> on
>>> my extended warranties. They will replace anything that is defective in
>>> the time frame.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> For retailers. 10% with 6% quarterly marketing fund rebates is the most
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> common for indy retailers. I'm sure there are special deal for large
>>>> chains but I doubt they are more than 5% more.
>>>> As long as you don't ever sell Apple software with the Apple computer
>
>>>> you can make money. Oh and sell Apple (Don't) Care this might add some
>
>>>> profit as long as you can stomach the bad karma of selling a sham ..umm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm mean enhanced warranty. The price on Apple web site is the price.
>
>>>> Dealers will only discount a few dollars at most and usually only on
>>>> demo/discontinued or the occasional (special) from Apple.
>>>> The educational deal is the only way to get any major discount for most
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> users but of course there are only a handful of dealers allowed to sell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> EDU Apple stuff.
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There is only a 7 to 13% margin on them. Well that was some years ago,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> who
>>>
>>>
>>>>> knows now, I'm sure its not better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyways, the two best deals are, educational discount, 10% off (sign
> up
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>
>>>>> under water basket weaving at the local college, cancel the class later).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Second way is to sign up for student ADC, A developer, it cost $99.00
> for
>>>>> a year, and you get a one time hardware discount of 20% off, there is
> no
>>>>> better deal! With ADC you get all the ADC developer materials mailed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>>> you, including the latest software. They have a major OS release once
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>
>>>>> year at a cost of $129.00, with ADC they send it to you for free. You
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> even
>>>
>>>
>>>>> get a free T-shirt. Anybody can become a student ADC member for $99.00.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You could ask on /., I'm sure they'll tell you why OSX is popular there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There's no shortage of opinions on /. :^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Buying a Mac is pretty simple, and running one is easier than most other
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> systems these days. Fire it up and go. Shouldn't take more than a minute
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> of your time. Heck, you probably wouldn't even need to be in the (fruit)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> loop on this one unless the user is a complete neophyte and needs basic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> handholding to start out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never understood the ./ crew and their love of fruit computers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> Especially
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> since Theo de Raadt has more than once complained about the kind of
> citizen
>>>>>>> Apple has been in the BSD community. But hey, there's no accounting
> for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> taste.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> But luckily for me this will be a 'handoff' gig. Get the box, make
> sure
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> starts up, and give it to the user. Whey I wrote 'break' I mean there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> application/OS problems. Someone asked me to fix their OS X.SomeKitty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> recently
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and just far enough away from what I know to completely flummox me.
>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry to hear of your woes, TCB. That's really rough, man life sucks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What will be worse is if you actually like the fruity computer when
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> set it up and start seeing the advantages to having your own fruity
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> unix
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> box to run open source and media apps. Yep, this has happened to a
> lot
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of Linux geeks, just ask around on /. Oh the humanity!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, yes, for discounts on Macs here are a few options: keep an
> eye
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> out for sales at CompUSA; grab a rebate through Amazon (linked from
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> macrumors.com); buy a refurb from the online Apple store; register
> as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mac developer and buy through the developer program; order from one
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the Mac catalogs and get a discount in the form of add-on memory and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> other perks; or if your friends are students they can get educational
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pricing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or just wait a few months and buy the previous model at a discount
> when
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the new model comes out in any category. Or buy a recent used one,
> G5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> faster if for serious media production, Intel if laptop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I agree with Ab, even if you buy a new one at street price Macs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> are
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a reasonable value well worth considering these days. They range from
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> less than a grand to around 3 grand; in form factor from laptop to
> tiny
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> box to monitor/computer combo to roomy tower; and all current models
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> many recent models have plenty of horsepower to handle (for example)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> heavy audio production use, in a reasonably elegant environment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as breaking goes, the weak point on PowerBooks used to be the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hinge joints. They changed the design from dual hinges to a wider,
>
>>>>>>>> middle hinge which seems much more solid in current and more recent
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> models. But for any laptop from any manufacturer I always tell people
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it's worth it to get a good padded case and use it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good luck, enjoy!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ab wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> because they are worth the money
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ab
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no "good" deal with a Fruit computer. :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably due to some kind or karmic punishment, I'm being forced
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a fruit labeled computer for someone. I can't figure it out either.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it seems _really_ hard fo find deals on them. Is this me being
> an
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> unsophisticated
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> GNU/linux dweeb or does Apple actually have that tight of a hold
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> retailers? If you suddenly had to have a cheap MacBook where would
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've already warned the party involved that I won't be able to
> fix
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it breaks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>> ADK
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
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