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Freezing But Not Crashing ? [message #105745] Sun, 24 October 2010 23:14 Go to next message
Dcbite is currently offline  Dcbite   AUSTRALIA
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Hello All ,
This is my first post in this forum and has been over 10 years since I last posted a message back in the early days of Paris . It's been many years since I have used my Paris system , I had children what more can I say Smile I recently got my system back up and running and as always love it . The problems I'm having , which from memory I never did in the past . When I have more than 1 submix added in a project I can hit play and then stop , perfect , but 3-4 times out of 10 in the current project I'm working on Paris freezes and I have to wait 4-5 seconds for it to respond again . So playback listening to an edit , stop , then freeze , 4-5 seconds later it responds again . I doesn't crash just freeze . I have a couple of Vst plugins running nothing compared to what I used years back on a much slower PC , it's rather annoying to have to constantly wait breaking the work flow when editing . Is this normal , is it due to submixs or Vst plugins ? . I'm running Win XP , Paris Pro 3 ,1 card /Mec system , cpu is a 1.8 core 2 duo, 1 gig ram , audio using separate HD from Windows . Was a fresh install recently , just Paris and a few other audio apps . If anyone has any thoughts as to what it may be I'd greatly appreciate it . Whilst I have the chance thanks for reading and I'd like to say thank you to all the people who continually contribute to the forums , the online resources , web pages , and the Paris system on a whole . Since the early days of Chuck Duffy's newsgroup to now I have always read and tried to keep up with any developments , so the Paris forum is like an old friend , I still love my system , I own many other alternatives like Sonar8.5 and still prefer to use Paris for tracking real world sounds . I should have known when I bought the system , everything I really think is wonderful and have bought in the past is sacrificed at the Audio God's alter , like Emagic Logic for Windows , Gigastudio , Paris and on and on . The first 2 I found wonderful replacements for , but never one that captured the audio portion like Paris Smile

Thank you for your time .

Matthew




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Re: Freezing But Not Crashing ? [message #105746 is a reply to message #105745] Mon, 25 October 2010 01:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerryg is currently offline  kerryg   CANADA
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Heya Matthew - that computer runs rings around the old computers PARIS was designed for (and ran great on), so you definitely shouldn't be seeing that sort of behaviour unless something's wrong in your system configuration. I'll let those more knowledgeable about PCs chime in with ideas but in the meantime you might want to start by checking out John's PARIS XP tweak checklist, either on his site or on the wiki.

Welcome to the forums!

- Kerry


"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
Re: Freezing But Not Crashing ? [message #105749 is a reply to message #105746] Mon, 25 October 2010 08:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
drfrankencopter is currently offline  drfrankencopter   CANADA
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You should get Mike's multi-core XP drivers if you're running on a multiprocessor machine.

Just a guess, but it could be the problem...

Cheers

Kris
Re: Freezing But Not Crashing ? [message #105750 is a reply to message #105749] Mon, 25 October 2010 08:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerryg is currently offline  kerryg   CANADA
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I was going to ask what drivers you're using - yes, Mike's drivers are absolutely the way to go to make this run well, the old ones are very complex and fiddly to set up and Mike's have killed a lot of old bugs.

"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
Re: Freezing But Not Crashing ? [message #105757 is a reply to message #105750] Tue, 26 October 2010 04:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dcbite is currently offline  Dcbite   AUSTRALIA
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Hey , thanks for replying , yes I was thinking about doing as you suggested and buying the driver . Not even sure what revision of driver I am using , as I had everything backed up on a CD from many years back now . If I was running the new driver would it be realistic to be able to run 16 tracks via the EDS card and another 16 tracks on submix 2 in native mode without any issues , given the HD's are fast enough ? When you mention the new driver has killed a lot of bugs , is there a list of what they are ? Thanks for the help guys .

Matthew


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Re: Freezing But Not Crashing ? [message #105758 is a reply to message #105757] Tue, 26 October 2010 04:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dnafe is currently offline  dnafe   CANADA
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I don't imagine you'll have any problems adding new tracks to an old project...the only issue may be getting the files off the CD
Re: Freezing But Not Crashing ? [message #105762 is a reply to message #105757] Tue, 26 October 2010 08:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerryg is currently offline  kerryg   CANADA
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Heya Matthew - yeah, 16 tracks should be zero problem (BT was streaming far more off less powerful computers). I'm rushing out the door and don't have a comprehensive list of bugs at my fingertips, but for example one big one killed was the "only one ADAT card per MEC" bug.

"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
Re: Freezing But Not Crashing ? [message #105763 is a reply to message #105745] Wed, 27 October 2010 06:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dcbite is currently offline  Dcbite   AUSTRALIA
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Hey Kerry ,
I just bought Mike's driver and installed it , still having the same issue . Even though it has not fixed it, I'm glad I did for the grateful ongoing support . Paris in the main editor window shows the message , "not responding" then after 4-5 seconds comes back . I'll be glad when I sort this one out Smile


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Re: Freezing But Not Crashing ? [message #105764 is a reply to message #105763] Wed, 27 October 2010 09:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
echopraxia is currently offline  echopraxia   UNITED STATES
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Have you checked how much of the 1gb of ram is being used when all vsts and paris are running? XP can gobble up a 1/4th of that easy and maybe your running newer ram heavy plugins? Try doing a contrl alt delete and see under performance how much ram is available when everthing is running.

Good luck.
Re: Freezing But Not Crashing ? [message #105772 is a reply to message #105745] Fri, 29 October 2010 01:33 Go to previous message
Dcbite is currently offline  Dcbite   AUSTRALIA
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Thanks for the help guys , no memroy wasn't an issues , I checked that out , but A resolution !! Not sure why but it must have been the ParisStudioControlLib.dll causing the issues . With the kind help from Mike Audet the new drivers work perfectly and no freezing at all . Just getting streaming errors now due the the vst plugin . So the next question is what would be the optimal paris config settings to use on more recent hardware using Mike's drivers . I have looked at all the old Paris post most of which were Win 98 based . Anyone have any more current config setting thoughts .

Thanks


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