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| Before you jump out of Paris and onto Cubase read this [message #79505] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 10:40  |
Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
Registered: August 2005
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Hi,
I jumped over to Paris one year ago.
By then I was struggkling for years and years with Cubase from Cubase VST32
over to Cubase 5 over to SX ...
I was never being able to achieve professional results like the platinum
selling mixes and was straining to make a mix satisfying to my ears (at least).
Putting numerous compressor ,sometimes on each channel , driving me crazy
to make things distinguished one from other inside a mix.
Even when I bought me the pulsars ,although way better results the combiantion
of Pulsar and SX did not quite did it...
Then when I got me Paris something revealing arose.
With good efforts I can make a great mix I can make the cklient happy and
the killer paris_Pulsar combination is the way to go for me.
Here is one suggestion before you leave Paris.
Buy one Pulsar card ,6 dsp is fine.
Keep a couple of mecs , or three like me, or four like I wanna be when I
grow...
Attach the adats to Pulsar adats and use the mixer -routing effecting possibilities
from inside Pulsar.
Pulsar has great compressors, Timeworks is a brilliant example, has The SPL
transient designer (what a plugin !!) has vinco compressor (1176) timeworks
fantastic vintage eq, and has the greatest third party effects (many are
free) of any platform.
Now use your Paris ONLY for mixing leveling eq'ing.
Disable DX disable VST (although vertex is a must !)
So better disable DX (you don't need them !! believe me)at least inside Paris,
and use ONLY the vertex group manager , latency compensator on every channel,
EXTREMELY stable without any wrapper, this guy knows how to program !
Then using the adat ports send a track over to scope put a Compressor X or
Vinco compressor, put maybe a SPL transient designer plugin for extra punch,some
great reverb like Masterverb Pro or Timeworks 4080L and send it back.
Do you wanna know the latency from Paris to Scope-To Compressor to paris
again ?
27 samples !!
yes 27.
Now if that is much use vertex and it sounds realtime.
A heavy load of Compressor plus Designer plus Eq gives you a 74 samples latency
!
Less than 1ms nudge in Paris.
use vertex again or nudge back.
Your Paris will never crash cause no DX plugin will cause it.
Ok the editing has some bugs but you know them ...
I will hold on with Paris until I will be the last obne here.
Regards,
Dimitrios
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| Re: Before you jump out of Paris and onto Cubase read this [message #79512 is a reply to message #79505] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 10:00  |
Miguel Vigil [1]
Messages: 258
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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One thing for sure, Cubase can't beat the Paris sound :-)
Bjorn R
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:45c76c1d$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
> I jumped over to Paris one year ago.
> By then I was struggkling for years and years with Cubase from Cubase
VST32
> over to Cubase 5 over to SX ...
> I was never being able to achieve professional results like the platinum
> selling mixes and was straining to make a mix satisfying to my ears (at
least).
> Putting numerous compressor ,sometimes on each channel , driving me crazy
> to make things distinguished one from other inside a mix.
> Even when I bought me the pulsars ,although way better results the
combiantion
> of Pulsar and SX did not quite did it...
> Then when I got me Paris something revealing arose.
> With good efforts I can make a great mix I can make the cklient happy and
> the killer paris_Pulsar combination is the way to go for me.
> Here is one suggestion before you leave Paris.
> Buy one Pulsar card ,6 dsp is fine.
> Keep a couple of mecs , or three like me, or four like I wanna be when I
> grow...
> Attach the adats to Pulsar adats and use the mixer -routing effecting
possibilities
> from inside Pulsar.
> Pulsar has great compressors, Timeworks is a brilliant example, has The
SPL
> transient designer (what a plugin !!) has vinco compressor (1176)
timeworks
> fantastic vintage eq, and has the greatest third party effects (many are
> free) of any platform.
> Now use your Paris ONLY for mixing leveling eq'ing.
> Disable DX disable VST (although vertex is a must !)
> So better disable DX (you don't need them !! believe me)at least inside
Paris,
> and use ONLY the vertex group manager , latency compensator on every
channel,
> EXTREMELY stable without any wrapper, this guy knows how to program !
> Then using the adat ports send a track over to scope put a Compressor X or
> Vinco compressor, put maybe a SPL transient designer plugin for extra
punch,some
> great reverb like Masterverb Pro or Timeworks 4080L and send it back.
> Do you wanna know the latency from Paris to Scope-To Compressor to paris
> again ?
> 27 samples !!
> yes 27.
> Now if that is much use vertex and it sounds realtime.
> A heavy load of Compressor plus Designer plus Eq gives you a 74 samples
latency
> !
> Less than 1ms nudge in Paris.
> use vertex again or nudge back.
> Your Paris will never crash cause no DX plugin will cause it.
> Ok the editing has some bugs but you know them ...
> I will hold on with Paris until I will be the last obne here.
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
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| Re: Before you jump out of Paris and onto Cubase read this [message #79514 is a reply to message #79512] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 11:22 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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Don't be so sure. I'm very impressed with my presonus digimax fs pres and
cubase 4.
"BR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>One thing for sure, Cubase can't beat the Paris sound :-)
>
>Bjorn R
>
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:45c76c1d$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi,
>> I jumped over to Paris one year ago.
>> By then I was struggkling for years and years with Cubase from Cubase
>VST32
>> over to Cubase 5 over to SX ...
>> I was never being able to achieve professional results like the platinum
>> selling mixes and was straining to make a mix satisfying to my ears (at
>least).
>> Putting numerous compressor ,sometimes on each channel , driving me crazy
>> to make things distinguished one from other inside a mix.
>> Even when I bought me the pulsars ,although way better results the
>combiantion
>> of Pulsar and SX did not quite did it...
>> Then when I got me Paris something revealing arose.
>> With good efforts I can make a great mix I can make the cklient happy
and
>> the killer paris_Pulsar combination is the way to go for me.
>> Here is one suggestion before you leave Paris.
>> Buy one Pulsar card ,6 dsp is fine.
>> Keep a couple of mecs , or three like me, or four like I wanna be when
I
>> grow...
>> Attach the adats to Pulsar adats and use the mixer -routing effecting
>possibilities
>> from inside Pulsar.
>> Pulsar has great compressors, Timeworks is a brilliant example, has The
>SPL
>> transient designer (what a plugin !!) has vinco compressor (1176)
>timeworks
>> fantastic vintage eq, and has the greatest third party effects (many
are
>> free) of any platform.
>> Now use your Paris ONLY for mixing leveling eq'ing.
>> Disable DX disable VST (although vertex is a must !)
>> So better disable DX (you don't need them !! believe me)at least inside
>Paris,
>> and use ONLY the vertex group manager , latency compensator on every
>channel,
>> EXTREMELY stable without any wrapper, this guy knows how to program !
>> Then using the adat ports send a track over to scope put a Compressor
X or
>> Vinco compressor, put maybe a SPL transient designer plugin for extra
>punch,some
>> great reverb like Masterverb Pro or Timeworks 4080L and send it back.
>> Do you wanna know the latency from Paris to Scope-To Compressor to paris
>> again ?
>> 27 samples !!
>> yes 27.
>> Now if that is much use vertex and it sounds realtime.
>> A heavy load of Compressor plus Designer plus Eq gives you a 74 samples
>latency
>> !
>> Less than 1ms nudge in Paris.
>> use vertex again or nudge back.
>> Your Paris will never crash cause no DX plugin will cause it.
>> Ok the editing has some bugs but you know them ...
>> I will hold on with Paris until I will be the last obne here.
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
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>
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| Re: Before you jump out of Paris and onto Cubase read this [message #79516 is a reply to message #79514] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 10:38 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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Senior Member |
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I hate to say it, but I think it is all personal preference.
The truth of it is a lot of the hits we all know and love were not
recorded/mixed in PARIS. I am sure many were done with
Cubase and ProTools and all the other DAWs.
I have been working with Cubase tutorial files and
I must say they sound pretty good to me.
A lot better than anything I have done in PARIS thus far.
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45c775d4$1@linux...
>
> Don't be so sure. I'm very impressed with my presonus digimax fs pres and
> cubase 4.
>
> "BR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >One thing for sure, Cubase can't beat the Paris sound :-)
> >
> >Bjorn R
> >
> >
> >
> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message
news:45c76c1d$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I jumped over to Paris one year ago.
> >> By then I was struggkling for years and years with Cubase from Cubase
> >VST32
> >> over to Cubase 5 over to SX ...
> >> I was never being able to achieve professional results like the
platinum
> >> selling mixes and was straining to make a mix satisfying to my ears (at
> >least).
> >> Putting numerous compressor ,sometimes on each channel , driving me
crazy
> >> to make things distinguished one from other inside a mix.
> >> Even when I bought me the pulsars ,although way better results the
> >combiantion
> >> of Pulsar and SX did not quite did it...
> >> Then when I got me Paris something revealing arose.
> >> With good efforts I can make a great mix I can make the cklient happy
> and
> >> the killer paris_Pulsar combination is the way to go for me.
> >> Here is one suggestion before you leave Paris.
> >> Buy one Pulsar card ,6 dsp is fine.
> >> Keep a couple of mecs , or three like me, or four like I wanna be when
> I
> >> grow...
> >> Attach the adats to Pulsar adats and use the mixer -routing effecting
> >possibilities
> >> from inside Pulsar.
> >> Pulsar has great compressors, Timeworks is a brilliant example, has The
> >SPL
> >> transient designer (what a plugin !!) has vinco compressor (1176)
> >timeworks
> >> fantastic vintage eq, and has the greatest third party effects (many
> are
> >> free) of any platform.
> >> Now use your Paris ONLY for mixing leveling eq'ing.
> >> Disable DX disable VST (although vertex is a must !)
> >> So better disable DX (you don't need them !! believe me)at least inside
> >Paris,
> >> and use ONLY the vertex group manager , latency compensator on every
> >channel,
> >> EXTREMELY stable without any wrapper, this guy knows how to program !
> >> Then using the adat ports send a track over to scope put a Compressor
> X or
> >> Vinco compressor, put maybe a SPL transient designer plugin for extra
> >punch,some
> >> great reverb like Masterverb Pro or Timeworks 4080L and send it back.
> >> Do you wanna know the latency from Paris to Scope-To Compressor to
paris
> >> again ?
> >> 27 samples !!
> >> yes 27.
> >> Now if that is much use vertex and it sounds realtime.
> >> A heavy load of Compressor plus Designer plus Eq gives you a 74 samples
> >latency
> >> !
> >> Less than 1ms nudge in Paris.
> >> use vertex again or nudge back.
> >> Your Paris will never crash cause no DX plugin will cause it.
> >> Ok the editing has some bugs but you know them ...
> >> I will hold on with Paris until I will be the last obne here.
> >> Regards,
> >> Dimitrios
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Before you jump out of Paris and onto Cubase read this [message #79518 is a reply to message #79514] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 10:46 |
Miguel Vigil [1]
Messages: 258
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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I'm glad it works for you. I've got SX3 synced to Paris for VSTi's, editing,
etc, and it never stops to surprise me how "musical" and "glued together"
the Cubase-trax sounds when they are rendered and played back in Paris,.
Especially if it's a crowded mix.
Bjorn R
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45c775d4$1@linux...
>
> Don't be so sure. I'm very impressed with my presonus digimax fs pres and
> cubase 4.
>
> "BR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >One thing for sure, Cubase can't beat the Paris sound :-)
> >
> >Bjorn R
> >
> >
> >
> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message
news:45c76c1d$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I jumped over to Paris one year ago.
> >> By then I was struggkling for years and years with Cubase from Cubase
> >VST32
> >> over to Cubase 5 over to SX ...
> >> I was never being able to achieve professional results like the
platinum
> >> selling mixes and was straining to make a mix satisfying to my ears (at
> >least).
> >> Putting numerous compressor ,sometimes on each channel , driving me
crazy
> >> to make things distinguished one from other inside a mix.
> >> Even when I bought me the pulsars ,although way better results the
> >combiantion
> >> of Pulsar and SX did not quite did it...
> >> Then when I got me Paris something revealing arose.
> >> With good efforts I can make a great mix I can make the cklient happy
> and
> >> the killer paris_Pulsar combination is the way to go for me.
> >> Here is one suggestion before you leave Paris.
> >> Buy one Pulsar card ,6 dsp is fine.
> >> Keep a couple of mecs , or three like me, or four like I wanna be when
> I
> >> grow...
> >> Attach the adats to Pulsar adats and use the mixer -routing effecting
> >possibilities
> >> from inside Pulsar.
> >> Pulsar has great compressors, Timeworks is a brilliant example, has The
> >SPL
> >> transient designer (what a plugin !!) has vinco compressor (1176)
> >timeworks
> >> fantastic vintage eq, and has the greatest third party effects (many
> are
> >> free) of any platform.
> >> Now use your Paris ONLY for mixing leveling eq'ing.
> >> Disable DX disable VST (although vertex is a must !)
> >> So better disable DX (you don't need them !! believe me)at least inside
> >Paris,
> >> and use ONLY the vertex group manager , latency compensator on every
> >channel,
> >> EXTREMELY stable without any wrapper, this guy knows how to program !
> >> Then using the adat ports send a track over to scope put a Compressor
> X or
> >> Vinco compressor, put maybe a SPL transient designer plugin for extra
> >punch,some
> >> great reverb like Masterverb Pro or Timeworks 4080L and send it back.
> >> Do you wanna know the latency from Paris to Scope-To Compressor to
paris
> >> again ?
> >> 27 samples !!
> >> yes 27.
> >> Now if that is much use vertex and it sounds realtime.
> >> A heavy load of Compressor plus Designer plus Eq gives you a 74 samples
> >latency
> >> !
> >> Less than 1ms nudge in Paris.
> >> use vertex again or nudge back.
> >> Your Paris will never crash cause no DX plugin will cause it.
> >> Ok the editing has some bugs but you know them ...
> >> I will hold on with Paris until I will be the last obne here.
> >> Regards,
> >> Dimitrios
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Before you jump out of Paris and onto Cubase read this [message #79567 is a reply to message #79516] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 22:13 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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If you're doing say 20 tracks or less, you probably won't notice much.
It's when you start in crowding up the mix trying to shoe horn everything
under the sun into it that Paris kills ALL other DAWs IMO. I noticed this
immediately coming from adat machines (choked out around 20-23 tracks) on a
mackie console when I jumped to Paris from hardware. Thicken up your mix,
layer a bunch of stuff and tell me what you hear - bet you'll find the same
mojo man if you apples to apples a mix.
AA
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45c77a1b$1@linux...
>I hate to say it, but I think it is all personal preference.
> The truth of it is a lot of the hits we all know and love were not
> recorded/mixed in PARIS. I am sure many were done with
> Cubase and ProTools and all the other DAWs.
> I have been working with Cubase tutorial files and
> I must say they sound pretty good to me.
> A lot better than anything I have done in PARIS thus far.
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45c775d4$1@linux...
>>
>> Don't be so sure. I'm very impressed with my presonus digimax fs pres
>> and
>> cubase 4.
>>
>> "BR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >One thing for sure, Cubase can't beat the Paris sound :-)
>> >
>> >Bjorn R
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message
> news:45c76c1d$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >> I jumped over to Paris one year ago.
>> >> By then I was struggkling for years and years with Cubase from Cubase
>> >VST32
>> >> over to Cubase 5 over to SX ...
>> >> I was never being able to achieve professional results like the
> platinum
>> >> selling mixes and was straining to make a mix satisfying to my ears
>> >> (at
>> >least).
>> >> Putting numerous compressor ,sometimes on each channel , driving me
> crazy
>> >> to make things distinguished one from other inside a mix.
>> >> Even when I bought me the pulsars ,although way better results the
>> >combiantion
>> >> of Pulsar and SX did not quite did it...
>> >> Then when I got me Paris something revealing arose.
>> >> With good efforts I can make a great mix I can make the cklient happy
>> and
>> >> the killer paris_Pulsar combination is the way to go for me.
>> >> Here is one suggestion before you leave Paris.
>> >> Buy one Pulsar card ,6 dsp is fine.
>> >> Keep a couple of mecs , or three like me, or four like I wanna be when
>> I
>> >> grow...
>> >> Attach the adats to Pulsar adats and use the mixer -routing effecting
>> >possibilities
>> >> from inside Pulsar.
>> >> Pulsar has great compressors, Timeworks is a brilliant example, has
>> >> The
>> >SPL
>> >> transient designer (what a plugin !!) has vinco compressor (1176)
>> >timeworks
>> >> fantastic vintage eq, and has the greatest third party effects (many
>> are
>> >> free) of any platform.
>> >> Now use your Paris ONLY for mixing leveling eq'ing.
>> >> Disable DX disable VST (although vertex is a must !)
>> >> So better disable DX (you don't need them !! believe me)at least
>> >> inside
>> >Paris,
>> >> and use ONLY the vertex group manager , latency compensator on every
>> >channel,
>> >> EXTREMELY stable without any wrapper, this guy knows how to program !
>> >> Then using the adat ports send a track over to scope put a Compressor
>> X or
>> >> Vinco compressor, put maybe a SPL transient designer plugin for extra
>> >punch,some
>> >> great reverb like Masterverb Pro or Timeworks 4080L and send it back.
>> >> Do you wanna know the latency from Paris to Scope-To Compressor to
> paris
>> >> again ?
>> >> 27 samples !!
>> >> yes 27.
>> >> Now if that is much use vertex and it sounds realtime.
>> >> A heavy load of Compressor plus Designer plus Eq gives you a 74
>> >> samples
>> >latency
>> >> !
>> >> Less than 1ms nudge in Paris.
>> >> use vertex again or nudge back.
>> >> Your Paris will never crash cause no DX plugin will cause it.
>> >> Ok the editing has some bugs but you know them ...
>> >> I will hold on with Paris until I will be the last obne here.
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Dimitrios
>> >
>> >
>>
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