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| I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75006] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 07:01  |
chuck duffy
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because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
syntax :-)
Here's the deal...
1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any ASIO
capable application.
2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs on
the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris. On
this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
you wanted to route through.
Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host BESIDES
PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
community :-)
Chuck
Chuck
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75009 is a reply to message #75006] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 07:58  |
Chris Ludwig
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HI Chuck,
Do you mean something like the Linux audio app called JACK?
Sounds sort of similar but geared towards Paris.
http://www.ardour.org/jack
Chris
chuck duffy wrote:
>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>syntax :-)
>
>Here's the deal...
>
>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any ASIO
>capable application.
>
>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs on
>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>
>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris. On
>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>you wanted to route through.
>
>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host BESIDES
>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
>community :-)
>
>Chuck
>
>Chuck
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--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75012 is a reply to message #75006] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 08:35 |
Dimitrios
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Dear Chuck,
To help me understand this.
Lets talk with paradigm.
Lets say you have a cubase program on same computer with Paris.
Would that plugin of yours make cubase see a "virtual audio card" because
cubase needs an audio card to work and so it will be able to communicate
with these 32 asio origins and destinations like in beetween with Paris ?
That would be wanted from many other users.
Its like rewire.
You can imagine one having SAWpro running audio and Cubase sending the VSTI
asio outs to SAW...
So many potential buyers could benefit.
If I understood correctly, and forgive me if not, it is basically a "Chuck"
rewire but only using asio as protocol of communicating.
Am I wrong ?
Regards,
Dimitrios
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
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>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>syntax :-)
>
>Here's the deal...
>
>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any ASIO
>capable application.
>
>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
on
>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>
>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
On
>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>you wanted to route through.
>
>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host BESIDES
>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
>community :-)
>
>Chuck
>
>Chuck
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75013 is a reply to message #75012] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 08:58 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
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Dimitrios,From what I understand it is not to be used with Cubase.
It is to be used stand alone.
It will replace the need for Cubase as an effects rack.
You will only use PARIS and the NEW program Chuck creates.
No Cubase.
It is not intended as a Wormhole2 tpe program.
It is Wormhole plus an effects rack rolled up in one with latency
compensation.
Is that correct Chuck?
That is how I understand it.
B
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
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>Dear Chuck,
>To help me understand this.
>Lets talk with paradigm.
>Lets say you have a cubase program on same computer with Paris.
>Would that plugin of yours make cubase see a "virtual audio card" because
>cubase needs an audio card to work and so it will be able to communicate
>with these 32 asio origins and destinations like in beetween with Paris
?
>That would be wanted from many other users.
>Its like rewire.
>You can imagine one having SAWpro running audio and Cubase sending the VSTI
>asio outs to SAW...
>So many potential buyers could benefit.
>If I understood correctly, and forgive me if not, it is basically a "Chuck"
>rewire but only using asio as protocol of communicating.
>Am I wrong ?
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>>syntax :-)
>>
>>Here's the deal...
>>
>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
ASIO
>>capable application.
>>
>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
>on
>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>
>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
>On
>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>you wanted to route through.
>>
>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
BESIDES
>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
>>community :-)
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>Chuck
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75014 is a reply to message #75013] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 10:06 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
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So the idea is that if you send all the channels you have in PARIS to this
NEW plugin....They will all be delayed the same amount. That amount is equal
to a user definable number OR the amount of samples that is greatest on any
given insert (depending on the amount of plugs), which ever is least?
That is brilliant!
That would be cool if it had two modes.
User definable latency or automatic which updates evertime a new plug is
inserted or removed from the NEW HOST program.
B
B
"Brandon " <A@A.com> wrote:
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>Dimitrios,From what I understand it is not to be used with Cubase.
>It is to be used stand alone.
>It will replace the need for Cubase as an effects rack.
>You will only use PARIS and the NEW program Chuck creates.
>No Cubase.
>It is not intended as a Wormhole2 tpe program.
>It is Wormhole plus an effects rack rolled up in one with latency
>compensation.
>Is that correct Chuck?
>That is how I understand it.
>
>B
>
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>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Dear Chuck,
>>To help me understand this.
>>Lets talk with paradigm.
>>Lets say you have a cubase program on same computer with Paris.
>>Would that plugin of yours make cubase see a "virtual audio card" because
>>cubase needs an audio card to work and so it will be able to communicate
>>with these 32 asio origins and destinations like in beetween with Paris
>?
>>That would be wanted from many other users.
>>Its like rewire.
>>You can imagine one having SAWpro running audio and Cubase sending the
VSTI
>>asio outs to SAW...
>>So many potential buyers could benefit.
>>If I understood correctly, and forgive me if not, it is basically a "Chuck"
>>rewire but only using asio as protocol of communicating.
>>Am I wrong ?
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>>
>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>>>syntax :-)
>>>
>>>Here's the deal...
>>>
>>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of
"shared
>>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
>ASIO
>>>capable application.
>>>
>>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
>>on
>>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>>
>>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
>
>>On
>>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>>you wanted to route through.
>>>
>>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
>BESIDES
>>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the
paris
>>>community :-)
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75018 is a reply to message #75014] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 10:35 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
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Zactly. The user definable number would need to be greater than the higest
latency on any single channel in the host. It could also be automatic (higest
+ 1 ms for example).
Chuck
"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
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>So the idea is that if you send all the channels you have in PARIS to this
>NEW plugin....They will all be delayed the same amount. That amount is equal
>to a user definable number OR the amount of samples that is greatest on
any
>given insert (depending on the amount of plugs), which ever is least?
>That is brilliant!
>That would be cool if it had two modes.
>User definable latency or automatic which updates evertime a new plug is
>inserted or removed from the NEW HOST program.
>
>B
>B
>
>
>"Brandon " <A@A.com> wrote:
>>
>>Dimitrios,From what I understand it is not to be used with Cubase.
>>It is to be used stand alone.
>>It will replace the need for Cubase as an effects rack.
>>You will only use PARIS and the NEW program Chuck creates.
>>No Cubase.
>>It is not intended as a Wormhole2 tpe program.
>>It is Wormhole plus an effects rack rolled up in one with latency
>>compensation.
>>Is that correct Chuck?
>>That is how I understand it.
>>
>>B
>>
>>
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Dear Chuck,
>>>To help me understand this.
>>>Lets talk with paradigm.
>>>Lets say you have a cubase program on same computer with Paris.
>>>Would that plugin of yours make cubase see a "virtual audio card" because
>>>cubase needs an audio card to work and so it will be able to communicate
>>>with these 32 asio origins and destinations like in beetween with Paris
>>?
>>>That would be wanted from many other users.
>>>Its like rewire.
>>>You can imagine one having SAWpro running audio and Cubase sending the
>VSTI
>>>asio outs to SAW...
>>>So many potential buyers could benefit.
>>>If I understood correctly, and forgive me if not, it is basically a "Chuck"
>>>rewire but only using asio as protocol of communicating.
>>>Am I wrong ?
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>>>>syntax :-)
>>>>
>>>>Here's the deal...
>>>>
>>>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>>>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of
>"shared
>>>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>>>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
>>ASIO
>>>>capable application.
>>>>
>>>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>>>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>>>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
>>>on
>>>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount,
thereby
>>>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of
each
>>>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>>>
>>>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
>>
>>>On
>>>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>>>you wanted to route through.
>>>>
>>>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
>>BESIDES
>>>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if
not,
>>>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the
>paris
>>>>community :-)
>>>>
>>>>Chuck
>>>>
>>>>Chuck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75019 is a reply to message #75009] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 10:37 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
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ZACTLY, *and* as dimitrios called it, "rewire" for asio, and a VST VSTI plugin
host, and freeware open source.
So.... I really need to find out if there is an audience for this type of
thing.
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Chuck,
>Do you mean something like the Linux audio app called JACK?
>Sounds sort of similar but geared towards Paris.
>
>http://www.ardour.org/jack
>
>Chris
>
>
>chuck duffy wrote:
>
>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>>syntax :-)
>>
>>Here's the deal...
>>
>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
ASIO
>>capable application.
>>
>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
on
>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>
>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
On
>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>you wanted to route through.
>>
>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
BESIDES
>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
>>community :-)
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75020 is a reply to message #75013] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 10:39 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
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Brandon,
Although it is intended to be stand-alone, there wouldn't be anything stopping
you from routing audio to any other asio input/output in the system.
Does wormhole work right with paris at high track counts?
"Brandon " <A@A.com> wrote:
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>Dimitrios,From what I understand it is not to be used with Cubase.
>It is to be used stand alone.
>It will replace the need for Cubase as an effects rack.
>You will only use PARIS and the NEW program Chuck creates.
>No Cubase.
>It is not intended as a Wormhole2 tpe program.
>It is Wormhole plus an effects rack rolled up in one with latency
>compensation.
>Is that correct Chuck?
>That is how I understand it.
>
>B
>
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Dear Chuck,
>>To help me understand this.
>>Lets talk with paradigm.
>>Lets say you have a cubase program on same computer with Paris.
>>Would that plugin of yours make cubase see a "virtual audio card" because
>>cubase needs an audio card to work and so it will be able to communicate
>>with these 32 asio origins and destinations like in beetween with Paris
>?
>>That would be wanted from many other users.
>>Its like rewire.
>>You can imagine one having SAWpro running audio and Cubase sending the
VSTI
>>asio outs to SAW...
>>So many potential buyers could benefit.
>>If I understood correctly, and forgive me if not, it is basically a "Chuck"
>>rewire but only using asio as protocol of communicating.
>>Am I wrong ?
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>>
>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>>>syntax :-)
>>>
>>>Here's the deal...
>>>
>>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of
"shared
>>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
>ASIO
>>>capable application.
>>>
>>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
>>on
>>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>>
>>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
>
>>On
>>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>>you wanted to route through.
>>>
>>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
>BESIDES
>>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the
paris
>>>community :-)
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75021 is a reply to message #75014] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 10:39 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
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My grasp of ASIO channels is demonstrated in this diagram but this is the
idea I get when thinking of this thing.
B
"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>
>So the idea is that if you send all the channels you have in PARIS to this
>NEW plugin....They will all be delayed the same amount. That amount is equal
>to a user definable number OR the amount of samples that is greatest on
any
>given insert (depending on the amount of plugs), which ever is least?
>That is brilliant!
>That would be cool if it had two modes.
>User definable latency or automatic which updates evertime a new plug is
>inserted or removed from the NEW HOST program.
>
>B
>B
>
>
>"Brandon " <A@A.com> wrote:
>>
>>Dimitrios,From what I understand it is not to be used with Cubase.
>>It is to be used stand alone.
>>It will replace the need for Cubase as an effects rack.
>>You will only use PARIS and the NEW program Chuck creates.
>>No Cubase.
>>It is not intended as a Wormhole2 tpe program.
>>It is Wormhole plus an effects rack rolled up in one with latency
>>compensation.
>>Is that correct Chuck?
>>That is how I understand it.
>>
>>B
>>
>>
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Dear Chuck,
>>>To help me understand this.
>>>Lets talk with paradigm.
>>>Lets say you have a cubase program on same computer with Paris.
>>>Would that plugin of yours make cubase see a "virtual audio card" because
>>>cubase needs an audio card to work and so it will be able to communicate
>>>with these 32 asio origins and destinations like in beetween with Paris
>>?
>>>That would be wanted from many other users.
>>>Its like rewire.
>>>You can imagine one having SAWpro running audio and Cubase sending the
>VSTI
>>>asio outs to SAW...
>>>So many potential buyers could benefit.
>>>If I understood correctly, and forgive me if not, it is basically a "Chuck"
>>>rewire but only using asio as protocol of communicating.
>>>Am I wrong ?
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>>>>syntax :-)
>>>>
>>>>Here's the deal...
>>>>
>>>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>>>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of
>"shared
>>>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>>>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
>>ASIO
>>>>capable application.
>>>>
>>>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>>>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>>>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
>>>on
>>>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount,
thereby
>>>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of
each
>>>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>>>
>>>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
>>
>>>On
>>>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>>>you wanted to route through.
>>>>
>>>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
>>BESIDES
>>>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if
not,
>>>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the
>paris
>>>>community :-)
>>>>
>>>>Chuck
>>>>
>>>>Chuck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75022 is a reply to message #75020] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 10:44 |
brandon[2]
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I have barely started using Wormhole and haven't tested its limits.
I am trying it on one machine as opposed to dimitrios who I belive is using
two machines.
I have only just tried 1 channel successfully.
However, there was probably a 1/2 second delay.
That was the best I could achieve using 1 computer and wormholing
a track from Cubase to PARIS.
B
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Brandon,
>
>Although it is intended to be stand-alone, there wouldn't be anything stopping
>you from routing audio to any other asio input/output in the system.
>
>Does wormhole work right with paris at high track counts?
>
>"Brandon " <A@A.com> wrote:
>>
>>Dimitrios,From what I understand it is not to be used with Cubase.
>>It is to be used stand alone.
>>It will replace the need for Cubase as an effects rack.
>>You will only use PARIS and the NEW program Chuck creates.
>>No Cubase.
>>It is not intended as a Wormhole2 tpe program.
>>It is Wormhole plus an effects rack rolled up in one with latency
>>compensation.
>>Is that correct Chuck?
>>That is how I understand it.
>>
>>B
>>
>>
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Dear Chuck,
>>>To help me understand this.
>>>Lets talk with paradigm.
>>>Lets say you have a cubase program on same computer with Paris.
>>>Would that plugin of yours make cubase see a "virtual audio card" because
>>>cubase needs an audio card to work and so it will be able to communicate
>>>with these 32 asio origins and destinations like in beetween with Paris
>>?
>>>That would be wanted from many other users.
>>>Its like rewire.
>>>You can imagine one having SAWpro running audio and Cubase sending the
>VSTI
>>>asio outs to SAW...
>>>So many potential buyers could benefit.
>>>If I understood correctly, and forgive me if not, it is basically a "Chuck"
>>>rewire but only using asio as protocol of communicating.
>>>Am I wrong ?
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>>>>syntax :-)
>>>>
>>>>Here's the deal...
>>>>
>>>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>>>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of
>"shared
>>>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>>>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
>>ASIO
>>>>capable application.
>>>>
>>>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>>>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>>>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
>>>on
>>>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount,
thereby
>>>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of
each
>>>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>>>
>>>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
>>
>>>On
>>>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>>>you wanted to route through.
>>>>
>>>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
>>BESIDES
>>>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if
not,
>>>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the
>paris
>>>>community :-)
>>>>
>>>>Chuck
>>>>
>>>>Chuck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75025 is a reply to message #75009] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 11:06 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
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It appears that JAck is working on a windows release.
So he must feel there is a market for it.
UNless he is doing it for the fun of it.
B
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Chuck,
>Do you mean something like the Linux audio app called JACK?
>Sounds sort of similar but geared towards Paris.
>
>http://www.ardour.org/jack
>
>Chris
>
>
>chuck duffy wrote:
>
>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>>syntax :-)
>>
>>Here's the deal...
>>
>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
ASIO
>>capable application.
>>
>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
on
>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>
>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
On
>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>you wanted to route through.
>>
>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
BESIDES
>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
>>community :-)
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75027 is a reply to message #75006] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 11:35 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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Test
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>syntax :-)
>
>Here's the deal...
>
>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any ASIO
>capable application.
>
>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
on
>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>
>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
On
>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>you wanted to route through.
>
>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host BESIDES
>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
>community :-)
>
>Chuck
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75028 is a reply to message #75006] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 11:42 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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Chuck,
Yesterday I was thinking about this idea and how it would be one
step away from allowing cubase SX to be run from within Paris, so
to speak. that's sorta what we were trying to do with the ASIO driver-trying
to run different apps on Paris hardware. As far as third party utility, can
you imagine being able to run Wavelab and cubase simultaneously??......Nuendo
and Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be huge!!.....but even
if it was just something like you describe, it would basically provide latency
compensation to Paris users running the latest DSP engines. IIRC, UAD-1 cards
are IRQ compatible with EDS cards and this would allow Paris users to lose
the ball and chain of having to run Paris on Win ME to access all those ADAT
modules. It would revolutionize this system.....and I would pay $500.00 for
it. If you will do it, I will send you the money right now by PayPal.
Deej
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>syntax :-)
>
>Here's the deal...
>
>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any ASIO
>capable application.
>
>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
on
>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>
>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
On
>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>you wanted to route through.
>
>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host BESIDES
>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
>community :-)
>
>Chuck
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75029 is a reply to message #75028] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 12:14 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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Chuck,
Just to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as I can
be. Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it venture
capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may not be any return
on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not be offended at all
if you give this software away if that's what you want to do. You have done
a tremendous amount of work for this community and this amount of money may
not be enough to make it worth your while to take the time from your *real*
job to look into this, but if you are willing to give it a serious go, consider
it startup capital for what I consider to be a good cause, with no expectations
of success. I look at it this way........if it works, I can sell a few thousand
dollars worth of hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it to me
to roll the dice.
Regards,
DJ
"DJ" <a@b.c> wrote:
>
>Chuck,
>
>Yesterday I was thinking about this idea and how it would be one
>step away from allowing cubase SX to be run from within Paris, so
>to speak. that's sorta what we were trying to do with the ASIO driver-trying
>to run different apps on Paris hardware. As far as third party utility,
can
>you imagine being able to run Wavelab and cubase simultaneously??......Nuendo
>and Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be huge!!.....but even
>if it was just something like you describe, it would basically provide latency
>compensation to Paris users running the latest DSP engines. IIRC, UAD-1
cards
>are IRQ compatible with EDS cards and this would allow Paris users to lose
>the ball and chain of having to run Paris on Win ME to access all those
ADAT
>modules. It would revolutionize this system.....and I would pay $500.00
for
>it. If you will do it, I will send you the money right now by PayPal.
>
>Deej
>
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>>syntax :-)
>>
>>Here's the deal...
>>
>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
ASIO
>>capable application.
>>
>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
>on
>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>
>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
>On
>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>you wanted to route through.
>>
>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
BESIDES
>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
>>community :-)
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75031 is a reply to message #75029] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 11:44 |
Tom Bruhl
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Everything Chuck says sounds absolutely fantastic. I would
be in for whatever Chuck deems necessary for some working capital.
The use from any host to any slave seems like it would have a huge
user base. Good for selling a large number of units.
Our greatest concern being Paris users is that we may be limited now by
single processors forever. It might make 'all in one box' processing
quite a DSP limitation compared to quad cores and greater.
Am I missing something here? Is there a way to implement this across
two computers like FX-Teleport? That would make it the balls.
Tom
"DJ" <d@j.com> wrote in message news:45439e20$1@linux...
Chuck,
Just to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as I =
can
be. Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it =
venture
capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may not be any =
return
on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not be offended at =
all
if you give this software away if that's what you want to do. You have =
done
a tremendous amount of work for this community and this amount of =
money may
not be enough to make it worth your while to take the time from your =
*real*
job to look into this, but if you are willing to give it a serious go, =
consider
it startup capital for what I consider to be a good cause, with no =
expectations
of success. I look at it this way........if it works, I can sell a few =
thousand
dollars worth of hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it to =
me
to roll the dice.
Regards,
DJ
"DJ" <a@b.c> wrote:
>
>Chuck,
>
>Yesterday I was thinking about this idea and how it would be one
>step away from allowing cubase SX to be run from within Paris, so
>to speak. that's sorta what we were trying to do with the ASIO =
driver-trying
>to run different apps on Paris hardware. As far as third party =
utility,
can
>you imagine being able to run Wavelab and cubase =
simultaneously??......Nuendo
>and Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be huge!!.....but =
even
>if it was just something like you describe, it would basically =
provide latency
>compensation to Paris users running the latest DSP engines. IIRC, =
UAD-1
cards
>are IRQ compatible with EDS cards and this would allow Paris users to =
lose
>the ball and chain of having to run Paris on Win ME to access all =
those
ADAT
>modules. It would revolutionize this system.....and I would pay =
$500.00
for
>it. If you will do it, I will send you the money right now by PayPal.
>
>Deej
>
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of =
english
>>syntax :-)
>>
>>Here's the deal...
>>
>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware =
interconnects
>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece =
of "shared
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ASIO
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>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* =
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plugs,
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plugs
>on
>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, =
thereby
>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of =
each
>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>
>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in =
paris.
>On
>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host =
channels
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>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new =
host
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not,
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the paris
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>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of =
"shared<BR>>>memory" (see=20
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thereby<BR>>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each =
channels. =20
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inserted=20
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select=20
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route=20
through. <BR>>><BR>>>Now - the 64,000 question is, =
is there=20
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we can=20
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wouldn't=20
:-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the=20
paris<BR>>>community=20
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Sat, 28 October 2006 12:31 |
Don Nafe
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One dumb question...how does this differ from Rewire...
more I/O? =20
greater flexibiliy? =20
Allow routing across EDS Cards?
Is Rewire not useable in Paris?
inquiring minds want to know
Don
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:4543a2ca@linux...
Everything Chuck says sounds absolutely fantastic. I would
be in for whatever Chuck deems necessary for some working capital.
The use from any host to any slave seems like it would have a huge
user base. Good for selling a large number of units.
Our greatest concern being Paris users is that we may be limited now =
by
single processors forever. It might make 'all in one box' processing
quite a DSP limitation compared to quad cores and greater.
Am I missing something here? Is there a way to implement this across
two computers like FX-Teleport? That would make it the balls.
Tom
"DJ" <d@j.com> wrote in message news:45439e20$1@linux...
Chuck,
Just to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as =
I can
be. Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it =
venture
capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may not be any =
return
on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not be offended at =
all
if you give this software away if that's what you want to do. You =
have done
a tremendous amount of work for this community and this amount of =
money may
not be enough to make it worth your while to take the time from your =
*real*
job to look into this, but if you are willing to give it a serious =
go, consider
it startup capital for what I consider to be a good cause, with no =
expectations
of success. I look at it this way........if it works, I can sell a =
few thousand
dollars worth of hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it =
to me
to roll the dice.
Regards,
DJ
"DJ" <a@b.c> wrote:
>
>Chuck,
>
>Yesterday I was thinking about this idea and how it would be one
>step away from allowing cubase SX to be run from within Paris, so
>to speak. that's sorta what we were trying to do with the ASIO =
driver-trying
>to run different apps on Paris hardware. As far as third party =
utility,
can
>you imagine being able to run Wavelab and cubase =
simultaneously??......Nuendo
>and Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be =
huge!!.....but even
>if it was just something like you describe, it would basically =
provide latency
>compensation to Paris users running the latest DSP engines. IIRC, =
UAD-1
cards
>are IRQ compatible with EDS cards and this would allow Paris users =
to lose
>the ball and chain of having to run Paris on Win ME to access all =
those
ADAT
>modules. It would revolutionize this system.....and I would pay =
$500.00
for
>it. If you will do it, I will send you the money right now by =
PayPal.
>
>Deej
>
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of =
english
>>syntax :-)
>>
>>Here's the deal...
>>
>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware =
interconnects
>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece =
of "shared
>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The =
theoretical
>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to =
any
ASIO
>>capable application. =20
>>
>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* =
incoming
>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST =
plugs,
>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all =
plugs
>on
>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured =
amount, thereby
>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output =
of each
>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>
>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in =
paris.
>On
>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host =
channels
>>you wanted to route through. =20
>>
>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new =
host
BESIDES
>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, =
if not,
>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than =
the paris
>>community :-)
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One dumb question...how does this =
differ from=20
Rewire...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>more I/O? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>greater flexibiliy? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Allow routing across EDS =
Cards?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is Rewire not useable in =
Paris?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>inquiring minds want to =
know</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:4543a2ca@linux">news:4543a2ca@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Everything Chuck says sounds =
absolutely=20
fantastic. I would</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>be in for whatever Chuck deems =
necessary for some=20
working capital.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The use from any host to any slave =
seems like it=20
would have a huge</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>user base. Good for selling a =
large number=20
of units.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Our greatest </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>concern being Paris users is that we may be limited now =
by</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>single processors forever. It =
might make=20
'all in one box' processing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>quite a DSP limitation compared to =
quad cores and=20
greater.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Am I missing something here? Is =
there a way=20
to implement this across</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>two computers like FX-Teleport? =
That would=20
make it the balls.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A href=3D"mailto:d@j.com">d@j.com</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:45439e20$1@linux">news:45439e20$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Chuc=
k,<BR><BR>Just=20
to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as I =
can<BR>be.=20
Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it=20
venture<BR>capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may =
not be=20
any return<BR>on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not =
be=20
offended at all<BR>if you give this software away if that's what you =
want to=20
do. You have done<BR>a tremendous amount of work for this community =
and this=20
amount of money may<BR>not be enough to make it worth your while to =
take the=20
time from your *real*<BR>job to look into this, but if you are =
willing to=20
give it a serious go, consider<BR>it startup capital for what I =
consider to=20
be a good cause, with no expectations<BR>of success. I look at it =
this=20
way........if it works, I can sell a few thousand<BR>dollars worth =
of=20
hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it to me<BR>to roll =
the=20
dice.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>DJ<BR><BR><BR>"DJ" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:a@b.c">a@b.c</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>>Chuck,<BR>><BR>>Yesterday I was thinking =
about=20
this idea and how it would be one<BR>>step away from allowing =
cubase SX=20
to be run from within Paris, so<BR>>to speak. that's sorta what =
we were=20
trying to do with the ASIO driver-trying<BR>>to run different =
apps on=20
Paris hardware. As far as third party utility,<BR>can<BR>>you =
imagine=20
being able to run Wavelab and cubase =
simultaneously??......Nuendo<BR>>and=20
Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be huge!!.....but=20
even<BR>>if it was just something like you describe, it would =
basically=20
provide latency<BR>>compensation to Paris users running the =
latest DSP=20
engines. IIRC, UAD-1<BR>cards<BR>>are IRQ compatible with EDS =
cards and=20
this would allow Paris users to lose<BR>>the ball and chain of =
having to=20
run Paris on Win ME to access all those<BR>ADAT<BR>>modules. It =
would=20
revolutionize this system.....and I would pay =
$500.00<BR>for<BR>>it. If=20
you will do it, I will send you the money right now by=20
PayPal.<BR>><BR>>Deej<BR>><BR>> <BR>>"chuck duffy" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:c@c.com">c@c.com</A>> =
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>because=20
of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of=20
english<BR>>>syntax :-)<BR>>><BR>>>Here's the=20
deal...<BR>>><BR>>>1. The idea I am proposing does not =
use any=20
physical hardware interconnects<BR>>>between PARIS and the =
"new"=20
theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of =
"shared<BR>>>memory"=20
(see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The=20
theoretical<BR>>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and =
32=20
virtual outputs to any<BR>ASIO<BR>>>capable application. =
<BR>>><BR>>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the =
VST=20
HOST for *each* incoming<BR>>>virtual ASIO connection. =
On this=20
strip you could drop as many VST plugs,<BR>>>or VSTis as you=20
want. The strip would add up the latency for all=20
plugs<BR>>on<BR>>>the strip, and then bump the latency up =
to a user=20
configured amount, thereby<BR>>>giving you 100% consistent =
latency for=20
each channels. The output of each<BR>>>strip would go to =
an ASIO=20
virtual OUT channel.<BR>>><BR>>>3. A simple "new" VST =
plug would=20
be inserted on each channel in paris.<BR><BR>>On<BR>>>this =
plug you=20
would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host =
channels<BR>>>you=20
wanted to route through. <BR>>><BR>>>Now - the =
64,000=20
question is, is there any other use for this new=20
host<BR>BESIDES<BR>>>PARIS. If we can think of other =
uses for=20
it, I would work on it, if not,<BR>>>I wouldn't :-) It =
needs to=20
have a larger potential audience than the paris<BR>>>community =
=
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75036 is a reply to message #75031] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 13:37 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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I will be testing Paris on an AMD 4800 x 2 in a couple of days. I will be
trying it with a Gigabyte GA-K8NS Ultra 939 mobo using both Win ME and Win
XP. I have seen reports here that it works, but that the number of C-16's
may be limited to x 1. There have been some new patches released y AMD which
may remedy this, but it wouldn't be a show stopper for me. I only use 1 x
C-16 anyway. I've had 3 x on my desk for years buy I ended up using only
he one that was right in the sweet spot so I just pulled to other ones off
thedesk and am keeping them for backups. C-16's are prone to failure eventually
.....especially the buttons, so having backups is a good idea.
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Everything Chuck says sounds absolutely fantastic. I would
>be in for whatever Chuck deems necessary for some working capital.
>The use from any host to any slave seems like it would have a huge
>user base. Good for selling a large number of units.
>
>Our greatest concern being Paris users is that we may be limited now by
>single processors forever. It might make 'all in one box' processing
>quite a DSP limitation compared to quad cores and greater.
>
>Am I missing something here? Is there a way to implement this across
>two computers like FX-Teleport? That would make it the balls.
>Tom
>
>
> "DJ" <d@j.com> wrote in message news:45439e20$1@linux...
>
> Chuck,
>
> Just to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as I
=
>can
> be. Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it =
>venture
> capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may not be any =
>return
> on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not be offended at =
>all
> if you give this software away if that's what you want to do. You have
=
>done
> a tremendous amount of work for this community and this amount of =
>money may
> not be enough to make it worth your while to take the time from your =
>*real*
> job to look into this, but if you are willing to give it a serious go,
=
>consider
> it startup capital for what I consider to be a good cause, with no =
>expectations
> of success. I look at it this way........if it works, I can sell a few
=
>thousand
> dollars worth of hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it to
=
>me
> to roll the dice.
>
> Regards,
>
> DJ
>
>
> "DJ" <a@b.c> wrote:
> >
> >Chuck,
> >
> >Yesterday I was thinking about this idea and how it would be one
> >step away from allowing cubase SX to be run from within Paris, so
> >to speak. that's sorta what we were trying to do with the ASIO =
>driver-trying
> >to run different apps on Paris hardware. As far as third party =
>utility,
> can
> >you imagine being able to run Wavelab and cubase =
>simultaneously??......Nuendo
> >and Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be huge!!.....but
=
>even
> >if it was just something like you describe, it would basically =
>provide latency
> >compensation to Paris users running the latest DSP engines. IIRC, =
>UAD-1
> cards
> >are IRQ compatible with EDS cards and this would allow Paris users to
=
>lose
> >the ball and chain of having to run Paris on Win ME to access all =
>those
> ADAT
> >modules. It would revolutionize this system.....and I would pay =
>$500.00
> for
> >it. If you will do it, I will send you the money right now by PayPal.
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >
> >"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of =
>english
> >>syntax :-)
> >>
> >>Here's the deal...
> >>
> >>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware =
>interconnects
> >>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece =
>of "shared
> >>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The =
>theoretical
> >>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to =
>any
> ASIO
> >>capable application. =20
> >>
> >>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* =
>incoming
> >>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST =
>plugs,
> >>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all =
>plugs
> >on
> >>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount,
=
>thereby
> >>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of
=
>each
> >>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
> >>
> >>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in =
>paris.
>
> >On
> >>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host =
>channels
> >>you wanted to route through. =20
> >>
> >>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new =
>host
> BESIDES
> >>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if
=
>not,
> >>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than =
>the paris
> >>community :-)
> >>
> >>Chuck
> >>
> >>Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Everything Chuck says sounds absolutely
=
>
>fantastic. I would</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>be in for whatever Chuck deems =
>necessary for some=20
>working capital.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The use from any host to any slave =
>seems like it=20
>would have a huge</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>user base. Good for selling a =
>large number of=20
>units.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Our greatest </FONT><FONT face=3DArial
=
>size=3D2>concern=20
>being Paris users is that we may be limited now by</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>single processors forever. It =
>might make 'all=20
>in one box' processing</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>quite a DSP limitation compared to quad
=
>cores and=20
>greater.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Am I missing something here? Is =
>there a way=20
>to implement this across</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>two computers like FX-Teleport? =
>That would=20
>make it the balls.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV>"DJ" <<A href=3D"mailto:d@j.com">d@j.com</A>> wrote in =
>message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:45439e20$1@linux">news:45439e20$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Chuc=
>k,<BR><BR>Just=20
> to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as I =
>can<BR>be.=20
> Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it=20
> venture<BR>capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may =
>not be any=20
> return<BR>on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not be =
>offended at=20
> all<BR>if you give this software away if that's what you want to do. =
>You have=20
> done<BR>a tremendous amount of work for this community and this amount
=
>of=20
> money may<BR>not be enough to make it worth your while to take the =
>time from=20
> your *real*<BR>job to look into this, but if you are willing to give =
>it a=20
> serious go, consider<BR>it startup capital for what I consider to be a
=
>good=20
> cause, with no expectations<BR>of success. I look at it this =
>way........if it=20
> works, I can sell a few thousand<BR>dollars worth of hardware that I =
>won't=20
> need anymore. It's worth it to me<BR>to roll the=20
> dice.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>DJ<BR><BR><BR>"DJ" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:a@b.c">a@b.c</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Chuck,<BR>><BR>>Yesterday I was thinking =
>about=20
> this idea and how it would be one<BR>>step away from allowing =
>cubase SX to=20
> be run from within Paris, so<BR>>to speak. that's sorta what we =
>were trying=20
> to do with the ASIO driver-trying<BR>>to run different apps on =
>Paris=20
> hardware. As far as third party utility,<BR>can<BR>>you imagine =
>being able=20
> to run Wavelab and cubase simultaneously??......Nuendo<BR>>and Pro=20
> Tools?......you get the picture. this would be huge!!.....but =
>even<BR>>if=20
> it was just something like you describe, it would basically provide=20
> latency<BR>>compensation to Paris users running the latest DSP =
>engines.=20
> IIRC, UAD-1<BR>cards<BR>>are IRQ compatible with EDS cards and this =
>would=20
> allow Paris users to lose<BR>>the ball and chain of having to run =
>Paris on=20
> Win ME to access all those<BR>ADAT<BR>>modules. It would =
>revolutionize this=20
> system.....and I would pay $500.00<BR>for<BR>>it. If you will do =
>it, I will=20
> send you the money right now by=20
> PayPal.<BR>><BR>>Deej<BR>><BR>><BR>>"chuck duffy" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:c@c.com">c@c.com</A>> =
>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>because of=20
> the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of=20
> english<BR>>>syntax :-)<BR>>><BR>>>Here's the=20
> deal...<BR>>><BR>>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use =
>any=20
> physical hardware interconnects<BR>>>between PARIS and the "new" =
>
> theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of =
>"shared<BR>>>memory" (see=20
> wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The=20
> theoretical<BR>>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 =
>virtual=20
> outputs to any<BR>ASIO<BR>>>capable application. =20
> <BR>>><BR>>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the =
>VST HOST=20
> for *each* incoming<BR>>>virtual ASIO connection. On this =
>strip=20
> you could drop as many VST plugs,<BR>>>or VSTis as you =
>want. The=20
> strip would add up the latency for all plugs<BR>>on<BR>>>the =
>strip,=20
> and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount,=20
> thereby<BR>>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each =
>channels. =20
> The output of each<BR>>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT=20
> channel.<BR>>><BR>>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be =
>inserted=20
> on each channel in paris.<BR><BR>>On<BR>>>this plug you would =
>select=20
> *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels<BR>>>you wanted to =
>route=20
> through. <BR>>><BR>>>Now - the 64,000 question is, =
>is there=20
> any other use for this new host<BR>BESIDES<BR>>>PARIS. If =
>we can=20
> think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,<BR>>>I =
>wouldn't=20
> :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the=20
> paris<BR>>>community=20
> =
>:-)<BR>>><BR>>>Chuck<BR>>><BR>>>Chuck<BR>>>=
><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR><=
>/BLOCKQUOTE>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75037 is a reply to message #75034] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 13:40 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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paris doesn't support re-wire, and I know a bunch of other progs that I like
that don't. But you have me thinking of leveraging the existing re-wire
and bridging it with "virtual" asio.
Chuck
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>
>
>One dumb question...how does this differ from Rewire...
>
>more I/O? =20
>
>greater flexibiliy? =20
>
>Allow routing across EDS Cards?
>
>Is Rewire not useable in Paris?
>
>inquiring minds want to know
>
>Don
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>news:4543a2ca@linux...
> Everything Chuck says sounds absolutely fantastic. I would
> be in for whatever Chuck deems necessary for some working capital.
> The use from any host to any slave seems like it would have a huge
> user base. Good for selling a large number of units.
>
> Our greatest concern being Paris users is that we may be limited now =
>by
> single processors forever. It might make 'all in one box' processing
> quite a DSP limitation compared to quad cores and greater.
>
> Am I missing something here? Is there a way to implement this across
> two computers like FX-Teleport? That would make it the balls.
> Tom
>
>
> "DJ" <d@j.com> wrote in message news:45439e20$1@linux...
>
> Chuck,
>
> Just to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as
=
>I can
> be. Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it =
>venture
> capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may not be any
=
>return
> on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not be offended at
=
>all
> if you give this software away if that's what you want to do. You =
>have done
> a tremendous amount of work for this community and this amount of =
>money may
> not be enough to make it worth your while to take the time from your
=
>*real*
> job to look into this, but if you are willing to give it a serious =
>go, consider
> it startup capital for what I consider to be a good cause, with no =
>expectations
> of success. I look at it this way........if it works, I can sell a =
>few thousand
> dollars worth of hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it =
>to me
> to roll the dice.
>
> Regards,
>
> DJ
>
>
> "DJ" <a@b.c> wrote:
> >
> >Chuck,
> >
> >Yesterday I was thinking about this idea and how it would be one
> >step away from allowing cubase SX to be run from within Paris, so
> >to speak. that's sorta what we were trying to do with the ASIO =
>driver-trying
> >to run different apps on Paris hardware. As far as third party =
>utility,
> can
> >you imagine being able to run Wavelab and cubase =
>simultaneously??......Nuendo
> >and Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be =
>huge!!.....but even
> >if it was just something like you describe, it would basically =
>provide latency
> >compensation to Paris users running the latest DSP engines. IIRC, =
>UAD-1
> cards
> >are IRQ compatible with EDS cards and this would allow Paris users
=
>to lose
> >the ball and chain of having to run Paris on Win ME to access all =
>those
> ADAT
> >modules. It would revolutionize this system.....and I would pay =
>$500.00
> for
> >it. If you will do it, I will send you the money right now by =
>PayPal.
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >
> >"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of
=
>english
> >>syntax :-)
> >>
> >>Here's the deal...
> >>
> >>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware =
>interconnects
> >>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece
=
>of "shared
> >>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The =
>theoretical
> >>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to
=
>any
> ASIO
> >>capable application. =20
> >>
> >>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* =
>incoming
> >>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST
=
>plugs,
> >>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all
=
>plugs
> >on
> >>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured =
>amount, thereby
> >>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output
=
>of each
> >>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
> >>
> >>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in =
>paris.
>
> >On
> >>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host =
>channels
> >>you wanted to route through. =20
> >>
> >>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new
=
>host
> BESIDES
> >>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it,
=
>if not,
> >>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than
=
>the paris
> >>community :-)
> >>
> >>Chuck
> >>
> >>Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One dumb question...how does this =
>differ from=20
>Rewire...</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>more I/O? </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>greater flexibiliy? </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Allow routing across EDS =
>Cards?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is Rewire not useable in =
>Paris?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>inquiring minds want to =
>know</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> <A href=3D"news:4543a2ca@linux">news:4543a2ca@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Everything Chuck says sounds =
>absolutely=20
> fantastic. I would</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>be in for whatever Chuck deems =
>necessary for some=20
> working capital.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The use from any host to any slave =
>seems like it=20
> would have a huge</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>user base. Good for selling a =
>large number=20
> of units.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Our greatest </FONT><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>concern being Paris users is that we may be limited now =
>by</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>single processors forever. It =
>might make=20
> 'all in one box' processing</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>quite a DSP limitation compared to =
>quad cores and=20
> greater.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Am I missing something here? Is =
>there a way=20
> to implement this across</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>two computers like FX-Teleport? =
>That would=20
> make it the balls.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"DJ" <<A href=3D"mailto:d@j.com">d@j.com</A>> wrote in =
>message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:45439e20$1@linux">news:45439e20$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Chuc=
>k,<BR><BR>Just=20
> to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as I =
>can<BR>be.=20
> Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it=20
> venture<BR>capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may
=
>not be=20
> any return<BR>on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not
=
>be=20
> offended at all<BR>if you give this software away if that's what you
=
>want to=20
> do. You have done<BR>a tremendous amount of work for this community
=
>and this=20
> amount of money may<BR>not be enough to make it worth your while to
=
>take the=20
> time from your *real*<BR>job to look into this, but if you are =
>willing to=20
> give it a serious go, consider<BR>it startup capital for what I =
>consider to=20
> be a good cause, with no expectations<BR>of success. I look at it =
>this=20
> way........if it works, I can sell a few thousand<BR>dollars worth =
>of=20
> hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it to me<BR>to roll =
>the=20
> dice.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>DJ<BR><BR><BR>"DJ" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:a@b.c">a@b.c</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Chuck,<BR>><BR>>Yesterday I was thinking =
>about=20
> this idea and how it would be one<BR>>step away from allowing =
>cubase SX=20
> to be run from within Paris, so<BR>>to speak. that's sorta what =
>we were=20
> trying to do with the ASIO driver-trying<BR>>to run different =
>apps on=20
> Paris hardware. As far as third party utility,<BR>can<BR>>you =
>imagine=20
> being able to run Wavelab and cubase =
>simultaneously??......Nuendo<BR>>and=20
> Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be huge!!.....but=20
> even<BR>>if it was just something like you describe, it would =
>basically=20
> provide latency<BR>>compensation to Paris users running the =
>latest DSP=20
> engines. IIRC, UAD-1<BR>cards<BR>>are IRQ compatible with EDS =
>cards and=20
> this would allow Paris users to lose<BR>>the ball and chain of =
>having to=20
> run Paris on Win ME to access all those<BR>ADAT<BR>>modules. It =
>would=20
> revolutionize this system.....and I would pay =
>$500.00<BR>for<BR>>it. If=20
> you will do it, I will send you the money right now by=20
> PayPal.<BR>><BR>>Deej<BR>><BR>><BR>>"chuck duffy" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:c@c.com">c@c.com</A>> =
>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>because=20
> of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of=20
> english<BR>>>syntax :-)<BR>>><BR>>>Here's the=20
> deal...<BR>>><BR>>>1. The idea I am proposing does not =
>use any=20
> physical hardware interconnects<BR>>>between PARIS and the =
>"new"=20
> theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of =
>"shared<BR>>>memory"=20
> (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The=20
> theoretical<BR>>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and =
>32=20
> virtual outputs to any<BR>ASIO<BR>>>capable application. =
>
> <BR>>><BR>>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the =
>VST=20
> HOST for *each* incoming<BR>>>virtual ASIO connection. =
>On this=20
> strip you could drop as many VST plugs,<BR>>>or VSTis as you=20
> want. The strip would add up the latency for all=20
> plugs<BR>>on<BR>>>the strip, and then bump the latency up =
>to a user=20
> configured amount, thereby<BR>>>giving you 100% consistent =
>latency for=20
> each channels. The output of each<BR>>>strip would go to =
>an ASIO=20
> virtual OUT channel.<BR>>><BR>>>3. A simple "new" VST =
>plug would=20
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>plug you=20
> would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host =
>channels<BR>>>you=20
> wanted to route through. <BR>>><BR>>>Now - the =
>64,000=20
> question is, is there any other use for this new=20
> host<BR>BESIDES<BR>>>PARIS. If we can think of other =
>uses for=20
> it, I would work on it, if not,<BR>>>I wouldn't :-) It =
>needs to=20
> have a larger potential audience than the paris<BR>>>community =
>
> =
>:-)<BR>>><BR>>>Chuck<BR>>><BR>>>Chuck<BR>>>=
><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR><=
>/BLOCKQUOTE>
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>and=20
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75040 is a reply to message #75037] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 13:18 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
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Chuck
You might want to contact the developers of Reaper as to how they
implimented their version of rewire (reroute I believe) I know Justin would
be happy to talk to you.
www.reaper.fm go to the forum and try emailing ot pm-ing him
Don
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:4543b216$1@linux...
>
> paris doesn't support re-wire, and I know a bunch of other progs that I
> like
> that don't. But you have me thinking of leveraging the existing re-wire
> and bridging it with "virtual" asio.
>
> Chuck
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>One dumb question...how does this differ from Rewire...
>>
>>more I/O? =20
>>
>>greater flexibiliy? =20
>>
>>Allow routing across EDS Cards?
>>
>>Is Rewire not useable in Paris?
>>
>>inquiring minds want to know
>>
>>Don
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>>news:4543a2ca@linux...
>> Everything Chuck says sounds absolutely fantastic. I would
>> be in for whatever Chuck deems necessary for some working capital.
>> The use from any host to any slave seems like it would have a huge
>> user base. Good for selling a large number of units.
>>
>> Our greatest concern being Paris users is that we may be limited now =
>>by
>> single processors forever. It might make 'all in one box' processing
>> quite a DSP limitation compared to quad cores and greater.
>>
>> Am I missing something here? Is there a way to implement this across
>> two computers like FX-Teleport? That would make it the balls.
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <d@j.com> wrote in message news:45439e20$1@linux...
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Just to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as
> =
>>I can
>> be. Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it =
>>venture
>> capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may not be any
> =
>>return
>> on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not be offended at
> =
>>all
>> if you give this software away if that's what you want to do. You =
>>have done
>> a tremendous amount of work for this community and this amount of =
>>money may
>> not be enough to make it worth your while to take the time from your
> =
>>*real*
>> job to look into this, but if you are willing to give it a serious =
>>go, consider
>> it startup capital for what I consider to be a good cause, with no =
>>expectations
>> of success. I look at it this way........if it works, I can sell a =
>>few thousand
>> dollars worth of hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it =
>>to me
>> to roll the dice.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> DJ
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <a@b.c> wrote:
>> >
>> >Chuck,
>> >
>> >Yesterday I was thinking about this idea and how it would be one
>> >step away from allowing cubase SX to be run from within Paris, so
>> >to speak. that's sorta what we were trying to do with the ASIO =
>>driver-trying
>> >to run different apps on Paris hardware. As far as third party =
>>utility,
>> can
>> >you imagine being able to run Wavelab and cubase =
>>simultaneously??......Nuendo
>> >and Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be =
>>huge!!.....but even
>> >if it was just something like you describe, it would basically =
>>provide latency
>> >compensation to Paris users running the latest DSP engines. IIRC, =
>>UAD-1
>> cards
>> >are IRQ compatible with EDS cards and this would allow Paris users
> =
>>to lose
>> >the ball and chain of having to run Paris on Win ME to access all =
>>those
>> ADAT
>> >modules. It would revolutionize this system.....and I would pay =
>>$500.00
>> for
>> >it. If you will do it, I will send you the money right now by =
>>PayPal.
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >
>> >"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of
> =
>>english
>> >>syntax :-)
>> >>
>> >>Here's the deal...
>> >>
>> >>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware =
>>interconnects
>> >>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece
> =
>>of "shared
>> >>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The =
>>theoretical
>> >>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to
> =
>>any
>> ASIO
>> >>capable application. =20
>> >>
>> >>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* =
>>incoming
>> >>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST
> =
>>plugs,
>> >>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all
> =
>>plugs
>> >on
>> >>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured =
>>amount, thereby
>> >>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output
> =
>>of each
>> >>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>> >>
>> >>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in =
>>paris.
>>
>> >On
>> >>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host =
>>channels
>> >>you wanted to route through. =20
>> >>
>> >>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new
> =
>>host
>> BESIDES
>> >>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it,
> =
>>if not,
>> >>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than
> =
>>the paris
>> >>community :-)
>> >>
>> >>Chuck
>> >>
>> >>Chuck
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One dumb question...how does this =
>>differ from=20
>>Rewire...</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>more I/O? </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>greater flexibiliy? </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Allow routing across EDS =
>>Cards?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is Rewire not useable in =
>>Paris?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>inquiring minds want to =
>>know</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
>>in message=20
>> <A href=3D"news:4543a2ca@linux">news:4543a2ca@linux</A>...</DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Everything Chuck says sounds =
>>absolutely=20
>> fantastic. I would</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>be in for whatever Chuck deems =
>>necessary for some=20
>> working capital.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The use from any host to any slave =
>>seems like it=20
>> would have a huge</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>user base. Good for selling a =
>>large number=20
>> of units.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Our greatest </FONT><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>concern being Paris users is that we may be limited now =
>>by</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>single processors forever. It =
>>might make=20
>> 'all in one box' processing</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>quite a DSP limitation compared to =
>>quad cores and=20
>> greater.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Am I missing something here? Is =
>>there a way=20
>> to implement this across</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>two computers like FX-Teleport? =
>>That would=20
>> make it the balls.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"DJ" <<A href=3D"mailto:d@j.com">d@j.com</A>> wrote in =
>>message <A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"news:45439e20$1@linux">news:45439e20$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Chuc=
>>k,<BR><BR>Just=20
>> to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as I =
>>can<BR>be.=20
>> Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it=20
>> venture<BR>capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may
> =
>>not be=20
>> any return<BR>on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not
> =
>>be=20
>> offended at all<BR>if you give this software away if that's what you
> =
>>want to=20
>> do. You have done<BR>a tremendous amount of work for this community
> =
>>and this=20
>> amount of money may<BR>not be enough to make it worth your while to
> =
>>take the=20
>> time from your *real*<BR>job to look into this, but if you are =
>>willing to=20
>> give it a serious go, consider<BR>it startup capital for what I =
>>consider to=20
>> be a good cause, with no expectations<BR>of success. I look at it =
>>this=20
>> way........if it works, I can sell a few thousand<BR>dollars worth =
>>of=20
>> hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it to me<BR>to roll =
>>the=20
>> dice.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>DJ<BR><BR><BR>"DJ" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:a@b.c">a@b.c</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Chuck,<BR>><BR>>Yesterday I was thinking =
>>about=20
>> this idea and how it would be one<BR>>step away from allowing =
>>cubase SX=20
>> to be run from within Paris, so<BR>>to speak. that's sorta what =
>>we were=20
>> trying to do with the ASIO driver-trying<BR>>to run different =
>>apps on=20
>> Paris hardware. As far as third party utility,<BR>can<BR>>you =
>>imagine=20
>> being able to run Wavelab and cubase =
>>simultaneously??......Nuendo<BR>>and=20
>> Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be huge!!.....but=20
>> even<BR>>if it was just something like you describe, it would =
>>basically=20
>> provide latency<BR>>compensation to Paris users running the =
>>latest DSP=20
>> engines. IIRC, UAD-1<BR>cards<BR>>are IRQ compatible with EDS =
>>cards and=20
>> this would allow Paris users to lose<BR>>the ball and chain of =
>>having to=20
>> run Paris on Win ME to access all those<BR>ADAT<BR>>modules. It =
>>would=20
>> revolutionize this system.....and I would pay =
>>$500.00<BR>for<BR>>it. If=20
>> you will do it, I will send you the money right now by=20
>> PayPal.<BR>><BR>>Deej<BR>><BR>><BR>>"chuck duffy" =
>><<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:c@c.com">c@c.com</A>> =
>>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>because=20
>> of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of=20
>> english<BR>>>syntax :-)<BR>>><BR>>>Here's the=20
>> deal...<BR>>><BR>>>1. The idea I am proposing does not =
>>use any=20
>> physical hardware interconnects<BR>>>between PARIS and the =
>>"new"=20
>> theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of =
>>"shared<BR>>>memory"=20
>> (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The=20
>> theoretical<BR>>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and =
>>32=20
>> virtual outputs to any<BR>ASIO<BR>>>capable application. =
>>
>> <BR>>><BR>>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the =
>>VST=20
>> HOST for *each* incoming<BR>>>virtual ASIO connection. =
>>On this=20
>> strip you could drop as many VST plugs,<BR>>>or VSTis as you=20
>> want. The strip would add up the latency for all=20
>> plugs<BR>>on<BR>>>the strip, and then bump the latency up =
>>to a user=20
>> configured amount, thereby<BR>>>giving you 100% consistent =
>>latency for=20
>> each channels. The output of each<BR>>>strip would go to =
>>an ASIO=20
>> virtual OUT channel.<BR>>><BR>>>3. A simple "new" VST =
>>plug would=20
>> be inserted on each channel in paris.<BR><BR>>On<BR>>>this =
>>plug you=20
>> would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host =
>>channels<BR>>>you=20
>> wanted to route through. <BR>>><BR>>>Now - the =
>>64,000=20
>> question is, is there any other use for this new=20
>> host<BR>BESIDES<BR>>>PARIS. If we can think of other =
>>uses for=20
>> it, I would work on it, if not,<BR>>>I wouldn't :-) It =
>>needs to=20
>> have a larger potential audience than the paris<BR>>>community =
>>
>> =
>>:-)<BR>>><BR>>>Chuck<BR>>><BR>>>Chuck<BR>>>=
>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR><=
>>/BLOCKQUOTE>
>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam,
> =
>>and=20
>> you?<BR><A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75042 is a reply to message #75006] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 14:13 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Hey Chuck! This is only a sliver of the pie and may not be worth the time
but, I actually know of people and studios that still use Opcode Vision DSP.
I know your shaking your head. Vision, Deck and other programs that got
left behind might be able to benefit from your work. It might work with
older versions of commercial programs that didn't have latency delay compensation
that people still use like Cubase, Logic, DP, Spark, Sterillium, Cake Walk,
etc. Not everybody upgrades to the latest version. I know a lot of people
that are comfortable with older versions of audio software that would pay
for this kind of thing.
There are also a lot of new Audio programs out there that could benefit from
such a thing. There are small developers that have $50.00 to $100.00 audio
programs That are developing slower than the big commercial software, that
could benefit from this. This could be licensed to them.
The market might not be huge, but there is a market. To start with I believe
you've got about 200+ paris users. There are customers I have from the past
that have never been on this NG. Recording Institute of Detroit has 4 Paris
systems, they have never been on this NG. They alone turn out 150 students
a year that have been trained on Paris. Paris will be what Paris is. However,
if you did this, you would be doing a lot of people a favor and I believe
you would extend the life of Paris for years. Everybody would pay for this.
Remember the thread back in 2001 when people were speculating how long Paris
would be useable? It's almost 2007!
Chuck you gotta do this! We'd be forever grateful.
James
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>syntax :-)
>
>Here's the deal...
>
>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any ASIO
>capable application.
>
>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
on
>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>
>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
On
>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>you wanted to route through.
>
>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host BESIDES
>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
>community :-)
>
>Chuck
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75043 is a reply to message #75006] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 13:21 |
animix
Messages: 356
Registered: September 2006
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.........another 64,0000 question would be if the meters of the plugins iwll
be functional if they are interfacing with Paris VST.......or would we need
a VST-VST wrapper to get this to happen?
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:454362ae$1@linux...
>
> because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
> syntax :-)
>
> Here's the deal...
>
> 1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware
interconnects
> between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of
"shared
> memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The
theoretical
> VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
ASIO
> capable application.
>
> 2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
> virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
> or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs on
> the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount,
thereby
> giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
> strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>
> 3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris. On
> this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
> you wanted to route through.
>
> Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
BESIDES
> PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
> I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the
paris
> community :-)
>
> Chuck
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75044 is a reply to message #75042] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 13:31 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Yeah Chuck, you just gotta !! hehe
James McCloskey wrote:
> Hey Chuck! This is only a sliver of the pie and may not be worth the time
> but, I actually know of people and studios that still use Opcode Vision DSP.
> I know your shaking your head. Vision, Deck and other programs that got
> left behind might be able to benefit from your work. It might work with
> older versions of commercial programs that didn't have latency delay compensation
> that people still use like Cubase, Logic, DP, Spark, Sterillium, Cake Walk,
> etc. Not everybody upgrades to the latest version. I know a lot of people
> that are comfortable with older versions of audio software that would pay
> for this kind of thing.
>
> There are also a lot of new Audio programs out there that could benefit from
> such a thing. There are small developers that have $50.00 to $100.00 audio
> programs That are developing slower than the big commercial software, that
> could benefit from this. This could be licensed to them.
>
> The market might not be huge, but there is a market. To start with I believe
> you've got about 200+ paris users. There are customers I have from the past
> that have never been on this NG. Recording Institute of Detroit has 4 Paris
> systems, they have never been on this NG. They alone turn out 150 students
> a year that have been trained on Paris. Paris will be what Paris is. However,
> if you did this, you would be doing a lot of people a favor and I believe
> you would extend the life of Paris for years. Everybody would pay for this.
> Remember the thread back in 2001 when people were speculating how long Paris
> would be useable? It's almost 2007!
>
> Chuck you gotta do this! We'd be forever grateful.
>
> James
>
>
> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>> because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>> syntax :-)
>>
>> Here's the deal...
>>
>> 1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>> between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
>> memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>> VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any ASIO
>> capable application.
>>
>> 2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>> virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>> or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
> on
>> the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>> giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>> strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>
>> 3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
> On
>> this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>> you wanted to route through.
>>
>> Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host BESIDES
>> PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>> I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
>> community :-)
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75045 is a reply to message #75044] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 13:35 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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Or DJ will DIE!!!!!
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4543bbe6$1@linux...
> Yeah Chuck, you just gotta !! hehe
>
> James McCloskey wrote:
>> Hey Chuck! This is only a sliver of the pie and may not be worth the
>> time
>> but, I actually know of people and studios that still use Opcode Vision
>> DSP.
>> I know your shaking your head. Vision, Deck and other programs that got
>> left behind might be able to benefit from your work. It might work with
>> older versions of commercial programs that didn't have latency delay
>> compensation
>> that people still use like Cubase, Logic, DP, Spark, Sterillium, Cake
>> Walk,
>> etc. Not everybody upgrades to the latest version. I know a lot of
>> people
>> that are comfortable with older versions of audio software that would pay
>> for this kind of thing.
>>
>> There are also a lot of new Audio programs out there that could benefit
>> from
>> such a thing. There are small developers that have $50.00 to $100.00
>> audio
>> programs That are developing slower than the big commercial software,
>> that
>> could benefit from this. This could be licensed to them.
>>
>> The market might not be huge, but there is a market. To start with I
>> believe
>> you've got about 200+ paris users. There are customers I have from the
>> past
>> that have never been on this NG. Recording Institute of Detroit has 4
>> Paris
>> systems, they have never been on this NG. They alone turn out 150
>> students
>> a year that have been trained on Paris. Paris will be what Paris is.
>> However,
>> if you did this, you would be doing a lot of people a favor and I believe
>> you would extend the life of Paris for years. Everybody would pay for
>> this.
>> Remember the thread back in 2001 when people were speculating how long
>> Paris
>> would be useable? It's almost 2007!
>>
>> Chuck you gotta do this! We'd be forever grateful.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>> because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of
>>> english
>>> syntax :-)
>>>
>>> Here's the deal...
>>>
>>> 1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware
>>> interconnects
>>> between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of
>>> "shared
>>> memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The
>>> theoretical
>>> VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
>>> ASIO
>>> capable application.
>>> 2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each*
>>> incoming
>>> virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST
>>> plugs,
>>> or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
>> on
>>> the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount,
>>> thereby
>>> giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of
>>> each
>>> strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>>
>>> 3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
>> On
>>> this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>> you wanted to route through.
>>> Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
>>> BESIDES
>>> PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if
>>> not,
>>> I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the
>>> paris
>>> community :-)
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75051 is a reply to message #75043] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 16:17 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Dj,
The meters for the plugin would be in the "new" host. The only thing the
"new" vst plugin would do is stream samples to the "new" host. The "new"
host would be up to snuff with the latest vst spec. There's no reason that
wrappers would be involved with any of this :-)
Chuck
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>........another 64,0000 question would be if the meters of the plugins iwll
>be functional if they are interfacing with Paris VST.......or would we need
>a VST-VST wrapper to get this to happen?
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:454362ae$1@linux...
>>
>> because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>> syntax :-)
>>
>> Here's the deal...
>>
>> 1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware
>interconnects
>> between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of
>"shared
>> memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The
>theoretical
>> VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
>ASIO
>> capable application.
>>
>> 2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>> virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>> or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
on
>> the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount,
>thereby
>> giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>> strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>
>> 3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
On
>> this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>> you wanted to route through.
>>
>> Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
>BESIDES
>> PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>> I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the
>paris
>> community :-)
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75052 is a reply to message #75051] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 16:43 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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Alrighty then maestro. I'm getting ready to load up one of these fancy Creamware
cards in a PC that is supposed to be the bane of it's existence (AMD dualcore)
because I don't have an Intel machine in the entire house........but I'm
curious to see the innards of this system. It sure would be nice to just
port my UAD-1 cards over to my Paris DAW and be done with this foolishness.
I'd likely keep either one of these Creamware cards or one of my RME cards
on a second rig for VSTi's.......unless of course I'll be able to stream
audio from Ivory VST and NI B-4 through your new app directly into Paris.........I
don't even want to think about it......I'll soil myself.
;o)
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Dj,
>
>The meters for the plugin would be in the "new" host. The only thing the
>"new" vst plugin would do is stream samples to the "new" host. The "new"
>host would be up to snuff with the latest vst spec. There's no reason that
>wrappers would be involved with any of this :-)
>
>Chuck
>
>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>........another 64,0000 question would be if the meters of the plugins
iwll
>>be functional if they are interfacing with Paris VST.......or would we
need
>>a VST-VST wrapper to get this to happen?
>>
>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:454362ae$1@linux...
>>>
>>> because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>>> syntax :-)
>>>
>>> Here's the deal...
>>>
>>> 1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware
>>interconnects
>>> between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of
>>"shared
>>> memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The
>>theoretical
>>> VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
>>ASIO
>>> capable application.
>>>
>>> 2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>>> virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>>> or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
>on
>>> the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount,
>>thereby
>>> giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of
each
>>> strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>>
>>> 3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
> On
>>> this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>> you wanted to route through.
>>>
>>> Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
>>BESIDES
>>> PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if
not,
>>> I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the
>>paris
>>> community :-)
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75054 is a reply to message #75037] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 17:11 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Chuck, maybe I'm oversimplifying this, but if the whole idea is
for people to be able to use UAD/VST/Creamware/etc plugins in
Paris (i.e.: any plugin that induces latency) wouldn't the
simple thing be to write a plugin that does this, in order:
1.) INSERT on PARIS CHANNEL, AUX BUSS, OR MAIN BUSS
2.) ESTABLISH A REFERENCE POINT FOR THE WAVEFORM IN SOME MANNER
3.) HOST "x number" OF VST/UAD/ETC PLUGINS IN A CHAIN
4.) CALCULATE THE TOTAL LATENCY FOR THE CHAIN OF PLUGINS BASED
ON #2 ABOVE
5.) AUTOMATICALLY COMPENSATE FOR SAID LATENCY
Yes? No?
Neil
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>paris doesn't support re-wire, and I know a bunch of other progs that I
like
>that don't. But you have me thinking of leveraging the existing re-wire
>and bridging it with "virtual" asio.
>
>Chuck
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>One dumb question...how does this differ from Rewire...
>>
>>more I/O? =20
>>
>>greater flexibiliy? =20
>>
>>Allow routing across EDS Cards?
>>
>>Is Rewire not useable in Paris?
>>
>>inquiring minds want to know
>>
>>Don
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>>news:4543a2ca@linux...
>> Everything Chuck says sounds absolutely fantastic. I would
>> be in for whatever Chuck deems necessary for some working capital.
>> The use from any host to any slave seems like it would have a huge
>> user base. Good for selling a large number of units.
>>
>> Our greatest concern being Paris users is that we may be limited now
=
>>by
>> single processors forever. It might make 'all in one box' processing
>> quite a DSP limitation compared to quad cores and greater.
>>
>> Am I missing something here? Is there a way to implement this across
>> two computers like FX-Teleport? That would make it the balls.
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <d@j.com> wrote in message news:45439e20$1@linux...
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Just to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as
>=
>>I can
>> be. Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it
=
>>venture
>> capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may not be any
>=
>>return
>> on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not be offended at
>=
>>all
>> if you give this software away if that's what you want to do. You =
>>have done
>> a tremendous amount of work for this community and this amount of =
>>money may
>> not be enough to make it worth your while to take the time from your
>=
>>*real*
>> job to look into this, but if you are willing to give it a serious
=
>>go, consider
>> it startup capital for what I consider to be a good cause, with no
=
>>expectations
>> of success. I look at it this way........if it works, I can sell a
=
>>few thousand
>> dollars worth of hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it
=
>>to me
>> to roll the dice.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> DJ
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <a@b.c> wrote:
>> >
>> >Chuck,
>> >
>> >Yesterday I was thinking about this idea and how it would be one
>> >step away from allowing cubase SX to be run from within Paris, so
>> >to speak. that's sorta what we were trying to do with the ASIO =
>>driver-trying
>> >to run different apps on Paris hardware. As far as third party =
>>utility,
>> can
>> >you imagine being able to run Wavelab and cubase =
>>simultaneously??......Nuendo
>> >and Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be =
>>huge!!.....but even
>> >if it was just something like you describe, it would basically =
>>provide latency
>> >compensation to Paris users running the latest DSP engines. IIRC,
=
>>UAD-1
>> cards
>> >are IRQ compatible with EDS cards and this would allow Paris users
>=
>>to lose
>> >the ball and chain of having to run Paris on Win ME to access all
=
>>those
>> ADAT
>> >modules. It would revolutionize this system.....and I would pay =
>>$500.00
>> for
>> >it. If you will do it, I will send you the money right now by =
>>PayPal.
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >
>> >"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of
>=
>>english
>> >>syntax :-)
>> >>
>> >>Here's the deal...
>> >>
>> >>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware =
>>interconnects
>> >>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece
>=
>>of "shared
>> >>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The =
>>theoretical
>> >>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to
>=
>>any
>> ASIO
>> >>capable application. =20
>> >>
>> >>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each*
=
>>incoming
>> >>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST
>=
>>plugs,
>> >>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all
>=
>>plugs
>> >on
>> >>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured =
>>amount, thereby
>> >>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output
>=
>>of each
>> >>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>> >>
>> >>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in =
>>paris.
>>
>> >On
>> >>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host =
>>channels
>> >>you wanted to route through. =20
>> >>
>> >>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new
>=
>>host
>> BESIDES
>> >>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it,
>=
>>if not,
>> >>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than
>=
>>the paris
>> >>community :-)
>> >>
>> >>Chuck
>> >>
>> >>Chuck
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One dumb question...how does this =
>>differ from=20
>>Rewire...</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>more I/O? </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>greater flexibiliy? </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Allow routing across EDS =
>>Cards?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is Rewire not useable in =
>>Paris?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>inquiring minds want to =
>>know</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
>>in message=20
>> <A href=3D"news:4543a2ca@linux">news:4543a2ca@linux</A>...</DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Everything Chuck says sounds =
>>absolutely=20
>> fantastic. I would</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>be in for whatever Chuck deems =
>>necessary for some=20
>> working capital.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The use from any host to any slave =
>>seems like it=20
>> would have a huge</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>user base. Good for selling a =
>>large number=20
>> of units.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Our greatest </FONT><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>concern being Paris users is that we may be limited now =
>>by</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>single processors forever. It =
>>might make=20
>> 'all in one box' processing</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>quite a DSP limitation compared to =
>>quad cores and=20
>> greater.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Am I missing something here? Is =
>>there a way=20
>> to implement this across</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>two computers like FX-Teleport? =
>>That would=20
>> make it the balls.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"DJ" <<A href=3D"mailto:d@j.com">d@j.com</A>> wrote in =
>>message <A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"news:45439e20$1@linux">news:45439e20$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Chuc=
>>k,<BR><BR>Just=20
>> to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as I =
>>can<BR>be.=20
>> Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it=20
>> venture<BR>capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may
>=
>>not be=20
>> any return<BR>on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not
>=
>>be=20
>> offended at all<BR>if you give this software away if that's what you
>=
>>want to=20
>> do. You have done<BR>a tremendous amount of work for this community
>=
>>and this=20
>> amount of money may<BR>not be enough to make it worth your while to
>=
>>take the=20
>> time from your *real*<BR>job to look into this, but if you are =
>>willing to=20
>> give it a serious go, consider<BR>it startup capital for what I =
>>consider to=20
>> be a good cause, with no expectations<BR>of success. I look at it =
>>this=20
>> way........if it works, I can sell a few thousand<BR>dollars worth
=
>>of=20
>> hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it to me<BR>to roll
=
>>the=20
>> dice.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>DJ<BR><BR><BR>"DJ" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:a@b.c">a@b.c</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Chuck,<BR>><BR>>Yesterday I was thinking =
>>about=20
>> this idea and how it would be one<BR>>step away from allowing =
>>cubase SX=20
>> to be run from within Paris, so<BR>>to speak. that's sorta what =
>>we were=20
>> trying to do with the ASIO driver-trying<BR>>to run different =
>>apps on=20
>> Paris hardware. As far as third party utility,<BR>can<BR>>you =
>>imagine=20
>> being able to run Wavelab and cubase =
>>simultaneously??......Nuendo<BR>>and=20
>> Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be huge!!.....but=20
>> even<BR>>if it was just something like you describe, it would =
>>basically=20
>> provide latency<BR>>compensation to Paris users running the =
>>latest DSP=20
>> engines. IIRC, UAD-1<BR>cards<BR>>are IRQ compatible with EDS =
>>cards and=20
>> this would allow Paris users to lose<BR>>the ball and chain of =
>>having to=20
>> run Paris on Win ME to access all those<BR>ADAT<BR>>modules. It =
>>would=20
>> revolutionize this system.....and I would pay =
>>$500.00<BR>for<BR>>it. If=20
>> you will do it, I will send you the money right now by=20
>> PayPal.<BR>><BR>>Deej<BR>><BR>><BR>>"chuck duffy" =
>><<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:c@c.com">c@c.com</A>> =
>>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>because=20
>> of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of=20
>> english<BR>>>syntax :-)<BR>>><BR>>>Here's the=20
>> deal...<BR>>><BR>>>1. The idea I am proposing does not =
>>use any=20
>> physical hardware interconnects<BR>>>between PARIS and the =
>>"new"=20
>> theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of =
>>"shared<BR>>>memory"=20
>> (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The=20
>> theoretical<BR>>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and =
>>32=20
>> virtual outputs to any<BR>ASIO<BR>>>capable application. =
>>
>> <BR>>><BR>>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the =
>>VST=20
>> HOST for *each* incoming<BR>>>virtual ASIO connection. =
>>On this=20
>> strip you could drop as many VST plugs,<BR>>>or VSTis as you=20
>> want. The strip would add up the latency for all=20
>> plugs<BR>>on<BR>>>the strip, and then bump the latency up =
>>to a user=20
>> configured amount, thereby<BR>>>giving you 100% consistent =
>>latency for=20
>> each channels. The output of each<BR>>>strip would go to =
>>an ASIO=20
>> virtual OUT channel.<BR>>><BR>>>3. A simple "new" VST =
>>plug would=20
>> be inserted on each channel in paris.<BR><BR>>On<BR>>>this =
>>plug you=20
>> would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host =
>>channels<BR>>>you=20
>> wanted to route through. <BR>>><BR>>>Now - the =
>>64,000=20
>> question is, is there any other use for this new=20
>> host<BR>BESIDES<BR>>>PARIS. If we can think of other =
>>uses for=20
>> it, I would work on it, if not,<BR>>>I wouldn't :-) It =
>>needs to=20
>> have a larger potential audience than the paris<BR>>>community =
>>
>> =
>>:-)<BR>>><BR>>>Chuck<BR>>><BR>>>Chuck<BR>>>=
>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR><=
>>/BLOCKQUOTE>
>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam,
>=
>>and=20
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75062 is a reply to message #75029] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 19:09 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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DJ,
That's a really nice offer :-) At this point it doesn't make any sense to
accept any money for this effort.
The way to to make this work is to come up with a concept that is useful
to paris users, but reaches out into other user communities. The working
concept at this point is a virtual asio patchbay / vst / vsti host with latency
normalization. If there is enough interest we can start up an open source
project and get developers involved.
Chuck
"DJ" <d@j.com> wrote:
>
>Chuck,
>
>Just to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as I can
>be. Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it venture
>capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may not be any return
>on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not be offended at all
>if you give this software away if that's what you want to do. You have done
>a tremendous amount of work for this community and this amount of money
may
>not be enough to make it worth your while to take the time from your *real*
>job to look into this, but if you are willing to give it a serious go, consider
>it startup capital for what I consider to be a good cause, with no expectations
>of success. I look at it this way........if it works, I can sell a few thousand
>dollars worth of hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it to me
>to roll the dice.
>
>Regards,
>
>DJ
>
>
>"DJ" <a@b.c> wrote:
>>
>>Chuck,
>>
>>Yesterday I was thinking about this idea and how it would be one
>>step away from allowing cubase SX to be run from within Paris, so
>>to speak. that's sorta what we were trying to do with the ASIO driver-trying
>>to run different apps on Paris hardware. As far as third party utility,
>can
>>you imagine being able to run Wavelab and cubase simultaneously??......Nuendo
>>and Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be huge!!.....but even
>>if it was just something like you describe, it would basically provide
latency
>>compensation to Paris users running the latest DSP engines. IIRC, UAD-1
>cards
>>are IRQ compatible with EDS cards and this would allow Paris users to lose
>>the ball and chain of having to run Paris on Win ME to access all those
>ADAT
>>modules. It would revolutionize this system.....and I would pay $500.00
>for
>>it. If you will do it, I will send you the money right now by PayPal.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>>>syntax :-)
>>>
>>>Here's the deal...
>>>
>>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of
"shared
>>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
>ASIO
>>>capable application.
>>>
>>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
>>on
>>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>>
>>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
>
>>On
>>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>>you wanted to route through.
>>>
>>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
>BESIDES
>>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the
paris
>>>community :-)
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75077 is a reply to message #75025] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 19:49 |
Dubya Mark Wilson
Messages: 108
Registered: May 2006
|
Senior Member |
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Until released, we don't got jack.
MW
;-)
"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45438dfa$1@linux...
>
> It appears that JAck is working on a windows release.
> So he must feel there is a market for it.
> UNless he is doing it for the fun of it.
>
> B
>
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>HI Chuck,
>>Do you mean something like the Linux audio app called JACK?
>>Sounds sort of similar but geared towards Paris.
>>
>>http://www.ardour.org/jack
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>chuck duffy wrote:
>>
>>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>>>syntax :-)
>>>
>>>Here's the deal...
>>>
>>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware
>>>interconnects
>>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of
>>>"shared
>>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The
>>>theoretical
>>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
> ASIO
>>>capable application.
>>>
>>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
> on
>>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount,
>>>thereby
>>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>>
>>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
> On
>>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>>you wanted to route through.
>>>
>>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
> BESIDES
>>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the
>>>paris
>>>community :-)
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75079 is a reply to message #75062] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 19:49 |
animix
Messages: 356
Registered: September 2006
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Senior Member |
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OK Chuck. I'll be a betapig if you ever need one.
;o)
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:4543ff50$1@linux...
>
> DJ,
>
> That's a really nice offer :-) At this point it doesn't make any sense to
> accept any money for this effort.
>
> The way to to make this work is to come up with a concept that is useful
> to paris users, but reaches out into other user communities. The working
> concept at this point is a virtual asio patchbay / vst / vsti host with
latency
> normalization. If there is enough interest we can start up an open source
> project and get developers involved.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <d@j.com> wrote:
> >
> >Chuck,
> >
> >Just to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as I can
> >be. Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it
venture
> >capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may not be any
return
> >on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not be offended at all
> >if you give this software away if that's what you want to do. You have
done
> >a tremendous amount of work for this community and this amount of money
> may
> >not be enough to make it worth your while to take the time from your
*real*
> >job to look into this, but if you are willing to give it a serious go,
consider
> >it startup capital for what I consider to be a good cause, with no
expectations
> >of success. I look at it this way........if it works, I can sell a few
thousand
> >dollars worth of hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it to me
> >to roll the dice.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >DJ
> >
> >
> >"DJ" <a@b.c> wrote:
> >>
> >>Chuck,
> >>
> >>Yesterday I was thinking about this idea and how it would be one
> >>step away from allowing cubase SX to be run from within Paris, so
> >>to speak. that's sorta what we were trying to do with the ASIO
driver-trying
> >>to run different apps on Paris hardware. As far as third party utility,
> >can
> >>you imagine being able to run Wavelab and cubase
simultaneously??......Nuendo
> >>and Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be huge!!.....but
even
> >>if it was just something like you describe, it would basically provide
> latency
> >>compensation to Paris users running the latest DSP engines. IIRC, UAD-1
> >cards
> >>are IRQ compatible with EDS cards and this would allow Paris users to
lose
> >>the ball and chain of having to run Paris on Win ME to access all those
> >ADAT
> >>modules. It would revolutionize this system.....and I would pay $500.00
> >for
> >>it. If you will do it, I will send you the money right now by PayPal.
> >>
> >>Deej
> >>
> >>
> >>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of
english
> >>>syntax :-)
> >>>
> >>>Here's the deal...
> >>>
> >>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware
interconnects
> >>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of
> "shared
> >>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The
theoretical
> >>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
> >ASIO
> >>>capable application.
> >>>
> >>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each*
incoming
> >>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST
plugs,
> >>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
> >>on
> >>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount,
thereby
> >>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of
each
> >>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
> >>>
> >>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
> >
> >>On
> >>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host
channels
> >>>you wanted to route through.
> >>>
> >>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
> >BESIDES
> >>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if
not,
> >>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the
> paris
> >>>community :-)
> >>>
> >>>Chuck
> >>>
> >>>Chuck
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75081 is a reply to message #75062] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 20:08 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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Well if this can do a rewire sort of thing that all DAWs can use (including
older ones) I think you have a market...especially with the latency feature
you're talking about.
For us Paris users being able to jump across EDS cards would be a great
feature
count me in as a buyer/supporter
Don
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:4543ff50$1@linux...
>
> DJ,
>
> That's a really nice offer :-) At this point it doesn't make any sense to
> accept any money for this effort.
>
> The way to to make this work is to come up with a concept that is useful
> to paris users, but reaches out into other user communities. The working
> concept at this point is a virtual asio patchbay / vst / vsti host with
> latency
> normalization. If there is enough interest we can start up an open source
> project and get developers involved.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <d@j.com> wrote:
>>
>>Chuck,
>>
>>Just to be clear about my offer........first of all, I'm serious as I can
>>be. Secondly, I know this may not be possible to do so consider it venture
>>capital that I am willing to risk knowing that there may not be any return
>>on it. Also, there are no stings attached. I will not be offended at all
>>if you give this software away if that's what you want to do. You have
>>done
>>a tremendous amount of work for this community and this amount of money
> may
>>not be enough to make it worth your while to take the time from your
>>*real*
>>job to look into this, but if you are willing to give it a serious go,
>>consider
>>it startup capital for what I consider to be a good cause, with no
>>expectations
>>of success. I look at it this way........if it works, I can sell a few
>>thousand
>>dollars worth of hardware that I won't need anymore. It's worth it to me
>>to roll the dice.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>DJ
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <a@b.c> wrote:
>>>
>>>Chuck,
>>>
>>>Yesterday I was thinking about this idea and how it would be one
>>>step away from allowing cubase SX to be run from within Paris, so
>>>to speak. that's sorta what we were trying to do with the ASIO
>>>driver-trying
>>>to run different apps on Paris hardware. As far as third party utility,
>>can
>>>you imagine being able to run Wavelab and cubase
>>>simultaneously??......Nuendo
>>>and Pro Tools?......you get the picture. this would be huge!!.....but
>>>even
>>>if it was just something like you describe, it would basically provide
> latency
>>>compensation to Paris users running the latest DSP engines. IIRC, UAD-1
>>cards
>>>are IRQ compatible with EDS cards and this would allow Paris users to
>>>lose
>>>the ball and chain of having to run Paris on Win ME to access all those
>>ADAT
>>>modules. It would revolutionize this system.....and I would pay $500.00
>>for
>>>it. If you will do it, I will send you the money right now by PayPal.
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of
>>>>english
>>>>syntax :-)
>>>>
>>>>Here's the deal...
>>>>
>>>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware
>>>>interconnects
>>>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of
> "shared
>>>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The
>>>>theoretical
>>>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
>>ASIO
>>>>capable application.
>>>>
>>>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each*
>>>>incoming
>>>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST
>>>>plugs,
>>>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
>>>on
>>>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount,
>>>>thereby
>>>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of
>>>>each
>>>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>>>
>>>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
>>
>>>On
>>>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>>>you wanted to route through.
>>>>
>>>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
>>BESIDES
>>>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if
>>>>not,
>>>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the
> paris
>>>>community :-)
>>>>
>>>>Chuck
>>>>
>>>>Chuck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75082 is a reply to message #75006] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 21:00 |
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Hey Chuck! Would you port it over for us Mac guys or am I gonna have to finally
get a PC?
Thanks!
Gantt
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>syntax :-)
>
>Here's the deal...
>
>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any ASIO
>capable application.
>
>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
on
>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>
>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
On
>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>you wanted to route through.
>
>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host BESIDES
>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
>community :-)
>
>Chuck
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75098 is a reply to message #75006] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 09:56 |
duncan
Messages: 123
Registered: November 2006
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Chuck --
Just as encouragement, I have to say -- I thought your first
explanation was perfectly clear...
It's cool that you're still able to think creatively about this wobbly
old platform (Paris) after all you've been through. This widget
you're imagining would of course be very useful -- I want it in my
rig, and will pay real money...
-- thanks -- onward -- Chas
On 29 Oct 2006 00:01:18 +1000, "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>syntax :-)
>
>Here's the deal...
>
>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any ASIO
>capable application.
>
>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs on
>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>
>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris. On
>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>you wanted to route through.
>
>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host BESIDES
>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
>community :-)
>
>Chuck
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
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| Re: I'm having a really hard time explaining myself :-) [message #75110 is a reply to message #75098] |
Sun, 29 October 2006 14:15 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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I'd support too, Um, would this mean easier parallel compression and usage
of the UAD plate and such?
Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>Chuck --
>
>Just as encouragement, I have to say -- I thought your first
>explanation was perfectly clear...
>
>It's cool that you're still able to think creatively about this wobbly
>old platform (Paris) after all you've been through. This widget
>you're imagining would of course be very useful -- I want it in my
>rig, and will pay real money...
>
>-- thanks -- onward -- Chas
>
>
>
>On 29 Oct 2006 00:01:18 +1000, "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>because of the amount of technobabble I use, and my poor grasp of english
>>syntax :-)
>>
>>Here's the deal...
>>
>>1. The idea I am proposing does not use any physical hardware interconnects
>>between PARIS and the "new" theoretical VST host. It uses a piece of "shared
>>memory" (see wikipedia) to shuttle samples back and forth. The theoretical
>>VST host would present 32 virtual inputs and 32 virtual outputs to any
ASIO
>>capable application.
>>
>>2. There would be *one* channel strip in the VST HOST for *each* incoming
>>virtual ASIO connection. On this strip you could drop as many VST plugs,
>>or VSTis as you want. The strip would add up the latency for all plugs
on
>>the strip, and then bump the latency up to a user configured amount, thereby
>>giving you 100% consistent latency for each channels. The output of each
>>strip would go to an ASIO virtual OUT channel.
>>
>>3. A simple "new" VST plug would be inserted on each channel in paris.
On
>>this plug you would select *which* one of the 32 "NEW" VST host channels
>>you wanted to route through.
>>
>>Now - the 64,000 question is, is there any other use for this new host
BESIDES
>>PARIS. If we can think of other uses for it, I would work on it, if not,
>>I wouldn't :-) It needs to have a larger potential audience than the paris
>>community :-)
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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