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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100591 is a reply to message #100588] |
Tue, 14 October 2008 17:08   |
Jamie K
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Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around the
display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for graphics
work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body finish is
still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the display,
which is my preferred option.
Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
and not a good one.
So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DC wrote:
> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
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> Looks nice.
>
> DC
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100601 is a reply to message #100591] |
Wed, 15 October 2008 11:12 |
Chris Ludwig
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Hi Jamie,
Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of adding one.
The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the upcoming USB3.
Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which what the Mac Book and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on board.
Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only be able to add firewire via express slot device.
Much like the internal wireless cards.
At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express slot so you can add a express firewire card.
The new LED screens are fricking cool.
Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they are making for the notebooks.
Chris
Jamie K wrote:
>
> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>
> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>
> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around the
> display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for graphics
> work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body finish is
> still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the display,
> which is my preferred option.
>
> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
> and not a good one.
>
> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> DC wrote:
>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>
>> Looks nice.
>>
>> DC
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100602 is a reply to message #100601] |
Wed, 15 October 2008 13:49 |
Jamie K
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Hey Chris,
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> Hi Jamie,
>
> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of adding
> one.
True. Which means I wouldn't be able to use one of those with my current
studio audio interface. But I could use it with my portable interface
which is USB.
> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
It can do firewire 400 with an adapter. But I gotta say having both
ports on my 17" MBP has been useful.
> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the
> upcoming USB3.
Here's my armchair quarterbacking (disclaimer, I'm not a quarterback and
I don't actually have an armchair): It can't cost that much to include
it. If I were Apple, I wouldn't make the change before USB3 is
available. I could see making the choice when they could include USB3,
but dropping FW altogether now is an odd choice.
Unless they want to push Final Cut/Motion people toward the higher
priced MBP now that the graphics are improved in the MB. A blatant
marketing decision if so.
> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which
> what the Mac Book and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on board.
So Apple had a competitive advantage, but now they've given it up...
> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only
> be able to add firewire via express slot device.
> Much like the internal wireless cards.
Hmmm, so it's really Intel's fault? Too bad Apple doesn't design their
own motherboards any more...
> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express
> slot so you can add a express firewire card.
Yep. And they also have onboard FW.
> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
Have you seen one in person yet? The LED screen is decent on my MBP.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they
> are making for the notebooks.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> Jamie K wrote:
>>
>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>
>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>
>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around
>> the display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for
>> graphics work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body
>> finish is still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the
>> display, which is my preferred option.
>>
>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>> and not a good one.
>>
>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> DC wrote:
>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>
>>> Looks nice.
>>>
>>> DC
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100603 is a reply to message #100601] |
Wed, 15 October 2008 14:16 |
TCB
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Hey Chris,
Speaking of Firewire, my new Dell doesn't have it. Any 'gotchas' about PCI-X
firewire cards? That's what seems the most logical giving the various other
slots that are already filling up.
TCB
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Jamie,
>
>Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of adding
one.
>The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the upcoming
USB3.
>Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which what
the Mac Book
>and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on board.
>Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only be
able to add
>firewire via express slot device.
>Much like the internal wireless cards.
>At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express slot
so you can
>add a express firewire card.
>
>The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they are
making for
>the notebooks.
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>Jamie K wrote:
>>
>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>
>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>
>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around the
>> display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for graphics
>> work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body finish is
>> still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the display,
>> which is my preferred option.
>>
>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>> and not a good one.
>>
>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> DC wrote:
>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>
>>> Looks nice.
>>>
>>> DC
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100604 is a reply to message #100602] |
Wed, 15 October 2008 20:45 |
Jamie K
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Looking at the MacWorld quick review -
http://www.macworld.com/article/136063/2008/10/macbook_first _look.html?lsrc=top_1
- I noticed a very cool improvement in the MBP. The hard drive is easy
to access and easily user-upgradable. That is something I wish my
current MBP incorporated. Glad to see that change.
CNet has a pretty good description of the new trackpad/button design:
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39030092,49299367,00.htm
I'll have to try it but it sounds like a good idea. The way the trackpad
and gestures works on my current MPB is also well thought out.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Jamie K wrote:
> Hey Chris,
>
> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>> Hi Jamie,
>>
>> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of
>> adding one.
>
> True. Which means I wouldn't be able to use one of those with my current
> studio audio interface. But I could use it with my portable interface
> which is USB.
>
>
>> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>
> It can do firewire 400 with an adapter. But I gotta say having both
> ports on my 17" MBP has been useful.
>
>
>> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the
>> upcoming USB3.
>
> Here's my armchair quarterbacking (disclaimer, I'm not a quarterback and
> I don't actually have an armchair): It can't cost that much to include
> it. If I were Apple, I wouldn't make the change before USB3 is
> available. I could see making the choice when they could include USB3,
> but dropping FW altogether now is an odd choice.
>
> Unless they want to push Final Cut/Motion people toward the higher
> priced MBP now that the graphics are improved in the MB. A blatant
> marketing decision if so.
>
>
>> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which
>> what the Mac Book and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on
>> board.
>
> So Apple had a competitive advantage, but now they've given it up...
>
>
>> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only
>> be able to add firewire via express slot device.
>> Much like the internal wireless cards.
>
> Hmmm, so it's really Intel's fault? Too bad Apple doesn't design their
> own motherboards any more...
>
>
>> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express
>> slot so you can add a express firewire card.
>
> Yep. And they also have onboard FW.
>
>
>> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>
> Have you seen one in person yet? The LED screen is decent on my MBP.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they
>> are making for the notebooks.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>
>>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>>
>>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>>
>>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around
>>> the display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for
>>> graphics work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body
>>> finish is still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the
>>> display, which is my preferred option.
>>>
>>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>>> and not a good one.
>>>
>>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DC wrote:
>>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>>
>>>> Looks nice.
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100605 is a reply to message #100603] |
Thu, 16 October 2008 07:17 |
Chris Ludwig
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HI Thad,
Do you mean PCI-x or PCI-e for a firewire?
This a desktop or laptop?
Here are the ones we use that seem to be compatible so far.
PCI-e cards
http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=NN-E20012-S2
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/allegro_express_fw400.html
Express card
http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=NN-EC2012-S1
http://www.startech.com/item/EC13942-2-Port-ExpressCard-IEEE -1394-Firewire-Card.aspx
Chris
TCB wrote:
> Hey Chris,
>
> Speaking of Firewire, my new Dell doesn't have it. Any 'gotchas' about PCI-X
> firewire cards? That's what seems the most logical giving the various other
> slots that are already filling up.
>
> TCB
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> Hi Jamie,
>>
>> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of adding
> one.
>> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the upcoming
> USB3.
>> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which what
> the Mac Book
>> and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on board.
>> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only be
> able to add
>> firewire via express slot device.
>> Much like the internal wireless cards.
>> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express slot
> so you can
>> add a express firewire card.
>>
>> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they are
> making for
>> the notebooks.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jamie K wrote:
>>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>>
>>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>>
>>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around the
>
>>> display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for graphics
>>> work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body finish is
>>> still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the display,
>>> which is my preferred option.
>>>
>>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>
>>> and not a good one.
>>>
>>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DC wrote:
>>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>>
>>>> Looks nice.
>>>>
>>>> DC
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100606 is a reply to message #100604] |
Thu, 16 October 2008 07:21 |
Chris Ludwig
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HI Jamie,
Jamie K wrote:
>
> Looking at the MacWorld quick review -
>
> http://www.macworld.com/article/136063/2008/10/macbook_first _look.html?lsrc=top_1
>
>
> - I noticed a very cool improvement in the MBP. The hard drive is easy
> to access and easily user-upgradable. That is something I wish my
> current MBP incorporated. Glad to see that change.
Yes that is very nice. But hop you never need to change or upgrade you ram. It is located underneath the keyboard.
You need to dismantle the whole laptop to get to it.
>
> CNet has a pretty good description of the new trackpad/button design:
>
> http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39030092,49299367,00.htm
>
> I'll have to try it but it sounds like a good idea. The way the trackpad
> and gestures works on my current MPB is also well thought out.
>
Yeah the track pad does look really slick. I'll be curious to see what new hand a wrist injuries come from using it. :)
Chris
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> Jamie K wrote:
>> Hey Chris,
>>
>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>
>>> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>>> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of
>>> adding one.
>>
>> True. Which means I wouldn't be able to use one of those with my
>> current studio audio interface. But I could use it with my portable
>> interface which is USB.
>>
>>
>>> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>>
>> It can do firewire 400 with an adapter. But I gotta say having both
>> ports on my 17" MBP has been useful.
>>
>>
>>> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the
>>> upcoming USB3.
>>
>> Here's my armchair quarterbacking (disclaimer, I'm not a quarterback
>> and I don't actually have an armchair): It can't cost that much to
>> include it. If I were Apple, I wouldn't make the change before USB3 is
>> available. I could see making the choice when they could include USB3,
>> but dropping FW altogether now is an odd choice.
>>
>> Unless they want to push Final Cut/Motion people toward the higher
>> priced MBP now that the graphics are improved in the MB. A blatant
>> marketing decision if so.
>>
>>
>>> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which
>>> what the Mac Book and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on
>>> board.
>>
>> So Apple had a competitive advantage, but now they've given it up...
>>
>>
>>> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would
>>> only be able to add firewire via express slot device.
>>> Much like the internal wireless cards.
>>
>> Hmmm, so it's really Intel's fault? Too bad Apple doesn't design their
>> own motherboards any more...
>>
>>
>>> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express
>>> slot so you can add a express firewire card.
>>
>> Yep. And they also have onboard FW.
>>
>>
>>> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>>
>> Have you seen one in person yet? The LED screen is decent on my MBP.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they
>>> are making for the notebooks.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>>>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>>>
>>>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>>>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>>>
>>>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around
>>>> the display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for
>>>> graphics work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body
>>>> finish is still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the
>>>> display, which is my preferred option.
>>>>
>>>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a
>>>> surprise, and not a good one.
>>>>
>>>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100607 is a reply to message #100602] |
Thu, 16 October 2008 07:40 |
Chris Ludwig
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HI Jamie,
Jamie K wrote:
>
> Hey Chris,
>
> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>> Hi Jamie,
>>
>> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of
>> adding one.
>
> True. Which means I wouldn't be able to use one of those with my current
> studio audio interface. But I could use it with my portable interface
> which is USB.
>
>
>> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>
> It can do firewire 400 with an adapter. But I gotta say having both
> ports on my 17" MBP has been useful.
>
>
>> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the
>> upcoming USB3.
>
> Here's my armchair quarterbacking (disclaimer, I'm not a quarterback and
> I don't actually have an armchair): It can't cost that much to include
> it. If I were Apple, I wouldn't make the change before USB3 is
> available. I could see making the choice when they could include USB3,
> but dropping FW altogether now is an odd choice.
Not there choice to make. It's Intel's choice. They see no point probably in spending time on some thing that 0.5% of the consumer/business market use.
If not including means low power and cost then they will ditch it. Of course Intel is one of the main people behind USB so who knows what their motive is.
>
> Unless they want to push Final Cut/Motion people toward the higher
> priced MBP now that the graphics are improved in the MB. A blatant
> marketing decision if so.
Yes they do want the "Pro" to use the MBP and I think they want them to just use the 15' and then buy that the LED display for it to edit with so they don't need to bother with a 17" model.
Apples market growth is in the consumer world so expect to see them paying less attention to the "Pro" market. Those people only buy computers every 3 to 5 years. \
Apple would be out of business if thats the only market they had. :)
>
>
>> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which
>> what the Mac Book and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on
>> board.
>
> So Apple had a competitive advantage, but now they've given it up...
>
Apple is at the mercy of Intel as much as any other computer manufacturer.
If you go the local Best Buy and look at all brand new l;ow and mid priced notebooks you will that they are basically the Mac Books sans the fancy touch pad and LED screen.
Apple's computer parts like everyone else are made buy a handful of Chinese and Taiwanese manufacturers.
Quanta and Foxconn being the main ones that work with Apple.
Apple has a fab plant that they got from HP to make the MB and MBP but that is for machine the snazzy cases and assembling the parts.
>
>> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only
>> be able to add firewire via express slot device.
>> Much like the internal wireless cards.
>
> Hmmm, so it's really Intel's fault? Too bad Apple doesn't design their
> own motherboards any more...
Not sure if I would say it's Intel's fault. Probably a smart business plan for them who ever buys their stuff.
Remember now people have to come out with USB and express card based video and audio devices to replace firewire ones.
Which people need to buy now if they want a new Apple and for that matter Dell system.
Isn't capitalism neat.. :)
>
>
>> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express
>> slot so you can add a express firewire card.
>
> Yep. And they also have onboard FW.
Not the new ones and the ones that do are using extremely shitty ones.
>
>
>> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>
> Have you seen one in person yet? The LED screen is decent on my MBP.
Not in the Mac s but have seen the technology they are using already.
Chris
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they
>> are making for the notebooks.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>
>>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>>
>>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>>
>>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around
>>> the display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for
>>> graphics work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body
>>> finish is still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the
>>> display, which is my preferred option.
>>>
>>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>>> and not a good one.
>>>
>>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DC wrote:
>>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>>
>>>> Looks nice.
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100609 is a reply to message #100605] |
Thu, 16 October 2008 14:26 |
TCB
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I mean PCI-x on a desktop. I know, it's weird, but that's what I'm stuck with.
TCB
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Thad,
>
>Do you mean PCI-x or PCI-e for a firewire?
>This a desktop or laptop?
>
>Here are the ones we use that seem to be compatible so far.
>
>PCI-e cards
>
>http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=NN-E20012-S2
>
> http://www.sonnettech.com/product/allegro_express_fw400.html
>
>
>Express card
>
>http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=NN-EC2012-S1
>
> http://www.startech.com/item/EC13942-2-Port-ExpressCard-IEEE -1394-Firewire-Card.aspx
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> Hey Chris,
>>
>> Speaking of Firewire, my new Dell doesn't have it. Any 'gotchas' about
PCI-X
>> firewire cards? That's what seems the most logical giving the various
other
>> slots that are already filling up.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>
>>> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>>> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of adding
>> one.
>>> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>>> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the
upcoming
>> USB3.
>>> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which
what
>> the Mac Book
>>> and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on board.
>>> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only
be
>> able to add
>>> firewire via express slot device.
>>> Much like the internal wireless cards.
>>> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express
slot
>> so you can
>>> add a express firewire card.
>>>
>>> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>>> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they
are
>> making for
>>> the notebooks.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>>>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>>>
>>>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>>>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>>>
>>>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around
the
>>
>>>> display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for graphics
>>>> work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body finish is
>>>> still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the display,
>>>> which is my preferred option.
>>>>
>>>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>>
>>>> and not a good one.
>>>>
>>>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>
>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100612 is a reply to message #100604] |
Thu, 16 October 2008 20:34 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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The MBP hard drive's not that hard to replace..
I did it to mine, (put in a 250gb) and it only took an hour...if I knew what
I was doing it would have been under half an hour..
Martin H
On 16/10/08 2:45 PM, in article 48f6bd19@linux, "Jamie K"
<JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>
> Looking at the MacWorld quick review -
>
> http://www.macworld.com/article/136063/2008/10/macbook_first _look.html?lsrc=to
> p_1
>
>
> - I noticed a very cool improvement in the MBP. The hard drive is easy
> to access and easily user-upgradable. That is something I wish my
> current MBP incorporated. Glad to see that change.
>
> CNet has a pretty good description of the new trackpad/button design:
>
> http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39030092,49299367,00.htm
>
> I'll have to try it but it sounds like a good idea. The way the trackpad
> and gestures works on my current MPB is also well thought out.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> Jamie K wrote:
>> Hey Chris,
>>
>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>
>>> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>>> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of
>>> adding one.
>>
>> True. Which means I wouldn't be able to use one of those with my current
>> studio audio interface. But I could use it with my portable interface
>> which is USB.
>>
>>
>>> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>>
>> It can do firewire 400 with an adapter. But I gotta say having both
>> ports on my 17" MBP has been useful.
>>
>>
>>> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the
>>> upcoming USB3.
>>
>> Here's my armchair quarterbacking (disclaimer, I'm not a quarterback and
>> I don't actually have an armchair): It can't cost that much to include
>> it. If I were Apple, I wouldn't make the change before USB3 is
>> available. I could see making the choice when they could include USB3,
>> but dropping FW altogether now is an odd choice.
>>
>> Unless they want to push Final Cut/Motion people toward the higher
>> priced MBP now that the graphics are improved in the MB. A blatant
>> marketing decision if so.
>>
>>
>>> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which
>>> what the Mac Book and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on
>>> board.
>>
>> So Apple had a competitive advantage, but now they've given it up...
>>
>>
>>> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only
>>> be able to add firewire via express slot device.
>>> Much like the internal wireless cards.
>>
>> Hmmm, so it's really Intel's fault? Too bad Apple doesn't design their
>> own motherboards any more...
>>
>>
>>> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express
>>> slot so you can add a express firewire card.
>>
>> Yep. And they also have onboard FW.
>>
>>
>>> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>>
>> Have you seen one in person yet? The LED screen is decent on my MBP.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they
>>> are making for the notebooks.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>>>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>>>
>>>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>>>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>>>
>>>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around
>>>> the display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for
>>>> graphics work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body
>>>> finish is still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the
>>>> display, which is my preferred option.
>>>>
>>>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>>>> and not a good one.
>>>>
>>>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>
Martin H
Lend An Ear Sound
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100614 is a reply to message #100612] |
Thu, 16 October 2008 22:56 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Martin Harrington wrote:
> The MBP hard drive's not that hard to replace..
> I did it to mine, (put in a 250gb) and it only took an hour...if I knew what
> I was doing it would have been under half an hour..
That's good to know. Do you have have a good link for instructions to
follow?
I expect to do it eventually, either to put in a bigger drive or perhaps
a solid state drive. Won't need to do it for a while, though.
But with the newest MBP design it looks like it would take less than a
minute. With that setup, I would consider changing out the drive much
more often. For trips, for shoots, for gigs. That's a useful improvement.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Martin H
>
>
> On 16/10/08 2:45 PM, in article 48f6bd19@linux, "Jamie K"
> <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> Looking at the MacWorld quick review -
>>
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/136063/2008/10/macbook_first _look.html?lsrc=to
>> p_1
>>
>>
>> - I noticed a very cool improvement in the MBP. The hard drive is easy
>> to access and easily user-upgradable. That is something I wish my
>> current MBP incorporated. Glad to see that change.
>>
>> CNet has a pretty good description of the new trackpad/button design:
>>
>> http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39030092,49299367,00.htm
>>
>> I'll have to try it but it sounds like a good idea. The way the trackpad
>> and gestures works on my current MPB is also well thought out.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Jamie K wrote:
>>> Hey Chris,
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>>
>>>> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>>>> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of
>>>> adding one.
>>> True. Which means I wouldn't be able to use one of those with my current
>>> studio audio interface. But I could use it with my portable interface
>>> which is USB.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>>> It can do firewire 400 with an adapter. But I gotta say having both
>>> ports on my 17" MBP has been useful.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the
>>>> upcoming USB3.
>>> Here's my armchair quarterbacking (disclaimer, I'm not a quarterback and
>>> I don't actually have an armchair): It can't cost that much to include
>>> it. If I were Apple, I wouldn't make the change before USB3 is
>>> available. I could see making the choice when they could include USB3,
>>> but dropping FW altogether now is an odd choice.
>>>
>>> Unless they want to push Final Cut/Motion people toward the higher
>>> priced MBP now that the graphics are improved in the MB. A blatant
>>> marketing decision if so.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which
>>>> what the Mac Book and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on
>>>> board.
>>> So Apple had a competitive advantage, but now they've given it up...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only
>>>> be able to add firewire via express slot device.
>>>> Much like the internal wireless cards.
>>> Hmmm, so it's really Intel's fault? Too bad Apple doesn't design their
>>> own motherboards any more...
>>>
>>>
>>>> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express
>>>> slot so you can add a express firewire card.
>>> Yep. And they also have onboard FW.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>>> Have you seen one in person yet? The LED screen is decent on my MBP.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they
>>>> are making for the notebooks.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>>>>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>>>>
>>>>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>>>>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around
>>>>> the display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for
>>>>> graphics work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body
>>>>> finish is still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the
>>>>> display, which is my preferred option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>>>>> and not a good one.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>
> Martin H
> Lend An Ear Sound
>
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100626 is a reply to message #100609] |
Fri, 17 October 2008 10:16 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
|
Senior Member |
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|
HI Thad,
Oh ok. Its an old Dell Xeon system?
The only direct PCI-x firewire card I know of is this one.
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/allegro800.html
Not sure if it works well of not.
Most current 32 bit PCI firewire cards should work in the PCI-x slot.
Chris
TCB wrote:
> I mean PCI-x on a desktop. I know, it's weird, but that's what I'm stuck with.
>
>
> TCB
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> HI Thad,
>>
>> Do you mean PCI-x or PCI-e for a firewire?
>> This a desktop or laptop?
>>
>> Here are the ones we use that seem to be compatible so far.
>>
>> PCI-e cards
>>
>> http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=NN-E20012-S2
>>
>> http://www.sonnettech.com/product/allegro_express_fw400.html
>>
>>
>> Express card
>>
>> http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=NN-EC2012-S1
>>
>> http://www.startech.com/item/EC13942-2-Port-ExpressCard-IEEE -1394-Firewire-Card.aspx
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>> Hey Chris,
>>>
>>> Speaking of Firewire, my new Dell doesn't have it. Any 'gotchas' about
> PCI-X
>>> firewire cards? That's what seems the most logical giving the various
> other
>>> slots that are already filling up.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>>
>>>> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>>>> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of adding
>>> one.
>>>> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>>>> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the
> upcoming
>>> USB3.
>>>> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which
> what
>>> the Mac Book
>>>> and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on board.
>>>> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only
> be
>>> able to add
>>>> firewire via express slot device.
>>>> Much like the internal wireless cards.
>>>> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express
> slot
>>> so you can
>>>> add a express firewire card.
>>>>
>>>> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>>>> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they
> are
>>> making for
>>>> the notebooks.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>>>>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>>>>
>>>>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>
>>>>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around
> the
>>>>> display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for graphics
>
>>>>> work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body finish is
>
>>>>> still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the display,
>
>>>>> which is my preferred option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>>>>> and not a good one.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>
>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100627 is a reply to message #100614] |
Fri, 17 October 2008 10:48 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Hi Jamie,
Sent you an email about changing the drive.
Chris
Jamie K wrote:
> Martin Harrington wrote:
>> The MBP hard drive's not that hard to replace..
>> I did it to mine, (put in a 250gb) and it only took an hour...if I
>> knew what
>> I was doing it would have been under half an hour..
>
> That's good to know. Do you have have a good link for instructions to
> follow?
>
> I expect to do it eventually, either to put in a bigger drive or perhaps
> a solid state drive. Won't need to do it for a while, though.
>
> But with the newest MBP design it looks like it would take less than a
> minute. With that setup, I would consider changing out the drive much
> more often. For trips, for shoots, for gigs. That's a useful improvement.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> Martin H
>>
>>
>> On 16/10/08 2:45 PM, in article 48f6bd19@linux, "Jamie K"
>> <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking at the MacWorld quick review -
>>>
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/136063/2008/10/macbook_first _look.html?lsrc=to
>>>
>>> p_1
>>>
>>> - I noticed a very cool improvement in the MBP. The hard drive is easy
>>> to access and easily user-upgradable. That is something I wish my
>>> current MBP incorporated. Glad to see that change.
>>>
>>> CNet has a pretty good description of the new trackpad/button design:
>>>
>>> http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39030092,49299367,00.htm
>>>
>>> I'll have to try it but it sounds like a good idea. The way the trackpad
>>> and gestures works on my current MPB is also well thought out.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>>>
>>>>> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>>>>> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of
>>>>> adding one.
>>>> True. Which means I wouldn't be able to use one of those with my
>>>> current
>>>> studio audio interface. But I could use it with my portable interface
>>>> which is USB.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>>>> It can do firewire 400 with an adapter. But I gotta say having both
>>>> ports on my 17" MBP has been useful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the
>>>>> upcoming USB3.
>>>> Here's my armchair quarterbacking (disclaimer, I'm not a quarterback
>>>> and
>>>> I don't actually have an armchair): It can't cost that much to include
>>>> it. If I were Apple, I wouldn't make the change before USB3 is
>>>> available. I could see making the choice when they could include USB3,
>>>> but dropping FW altogether now is an odd choice.
>>>>
>>>> Unless they want to push Final Cut/Motion people toward the higher
>>>> priced MBP now that the graphics are improved in the MB. A blatant
>>>> marketing decision if so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which
>>>>> what the Mac Book and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on
>>>>> board.
>>>> So Apple had a competitive advantage, but now they've given it up...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only
>>>>> be able to add firewire via express slot device.
>>>>> Much like the internal wireless cards.
>>>> Hmmm, so it's really Intel's fault? Too bad Apple doesn't design their
>>>> own motherboards any more...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express
>>>>> slot so you can add a express firewire card.
>>>> Yep. And they also have onboard FW.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>>>> Have you seen one in person yet? The LED screen is decent on my MBP.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they
>>>>> are making for the notebooks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>>>>>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>>>>>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around
>>>>>> the display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for
>>>>>> graphics work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body
>>>>>> finish is still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the
>>>>>> display, which is my preferred option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>>>>>> and not a good one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DC
>>
>> Martin H
>> Lend An Ear Sound
>>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100634 is a reply to message #100626] |
Fri, 17 October 2008 15:01 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
|
Senior Member |
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Not 'old per se, but yes a Dell quad core Xeon system. It was cheap and the
chipset is reported to play nice with my Pulsar card. And I got a deal because
I'm an educational buyer.
I've never tried the PCI card in PCI-X thing. It just seems backwards to
me as a geek, but I probably shouldn't think that way. God knows there are
enough 32 bit PCI firewire cards out there.
TCB
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Thad,
>Oh ok. Its an old Dell Xeon system?
>
>The only direct PCI-x firewire card I know of is this one.
>http://www.sonnettech.com/product/allegro800.html
>
>Not sure if it works well of not.
>
>
>Most current 32 bit PCI firewire cards should work in the PCI-x slot.
>
>Chris
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> I mean PCI-x on a desktop. I know, it's weird, but that's what I'm stuck
with.
>>
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>> HI Thad,
>>>
>>> Do you mean PCI-x or PCI-e for a firewire?
>>> This a desktop or laptop?
>>>
>>> Here are the ones we use that seem to be compatible so far.
>>>
>>> PCI-e cards
>>>
>>> http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=NN-E20012-S2
>>>
>>> http://www.sonnettech.com/product/allegro_express_fw400.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Express card
>>>
>>> http://www.siig.com/ViewProduct.aspx?pn=NN-EC2012-S1
>>>
>>> http://www.startech.com/item/EC13942-2-Port-ExpressCard-IEEE -1394-Firewire-Card.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of Firewire, my new Dell doesn't have it. Any 'gotchas' about
>> PCI-X
>>>> firewire cards? That's what seems the most logical giving the various
>> other
>>>> slots that are already filling up.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>>>
>>>>> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>>>>> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of adding
>>>> one.
>>>>> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>>>>> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the
>> upcoming
>>>> USB3.
>>>>> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which
>> what
>>>> the Mac Book
>>>>> and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on board.
>>>>> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only
>> be
>>>> able to add
>>>>> firewire via express slot device.
>>>>> Much like the internal wireless cards.
>>>>> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express
>> slot
>>>> so you can
>>>>> add a express firewire card.
>>>>>
>>>>> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>>>>> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they
>> are
>>>> making for
>>>>> the notebooks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>>>>>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>>
>>>>>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around
>> the
>>>>>> display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for graphics
>>
>>>>>> work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body finish is
>>
>>>>>> still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the display,
>>
>>>>>> which is my preferred option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>>>>>> and not a good one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DC
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>
>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>
>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100637 is a reply to message #100614] |
Fri, 17 October 2008 16:02 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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Here you go, Jamie
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2119529,00.asp
Martin
On 17/10/08 4:56 PM, in article 48f82d5c@linux, "Jamie K"
<JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
> Martin Harrington wrote:
>> The MBP hard drive's not that hard to replace..
>> I did it to mine, (put in a 250gb) and it only took an hour...if I knew what
>> I was doing it would have been under half an hour..
>
> That's good to know. Do you have have a good link for instructions to
> follow?
>
> I expect to do it eventually, either to put in a bigger drive or perhaps
> a solid state drive. Won't need to do it for a while, though.
>
> But with the newest MBP design it looks like it would take less than a
> minute. With that setup, I would consider changing out the drive much
> more often. For trips, for shoots, for gigs. That's a useful improvement.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> Martin H
>>
>>
>> On 16/10/08 2:45 PM, in article 48f6bd19@linux, "Jamie K"
>> <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking at the MacWorld quick review -
>>>
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/136063/2008/10/macbook_first _look.html?lsrc=
>>> to
>>> p_1
>>>
>>>
>>> - I noticed a very cool improvement in the MBP. The hard drive is easy
>>> to access and easily user-upgradable. That is something I wish my
>>> current MBP incorporated. Glad to see that change.
>>>
>>> CNet has a pretty good description of the new trackpad/button design:
>>>
>>> http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39030092,49299367,00.htm
>>>
>>> I'll have to try it but it sounds like a good idea. The way the trackpad
>>> and gestures works on my current MPB is also well thought out.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>>>
>>>>> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>>>>> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of
>>>>> adding one.
>>>> True. Which means I wouldn't be able to use one of those with my current
>>>> studio audio interface. But I could use it with my portable interface
>>>> which is USB.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>>>> It can do firewire 400 with an adapter. But I gotta say having both
>>>> ports on my 17" MBP has been useful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the
>>>>> upcoming USB3.
>>>> Here's my armchair quarterbacking (disclaimer, I'm not a quarterback and
>>>> I don't actually have an armchair): It can't cost that much to include
>>>> it. If I were Apple, I wouldn't make the change before USB3 is
>>>> available. I could see making the choice when they could include USB3,
>>>> but dropping FW altogether now is an odd choice.
>>>>
>>>> Unless they want to push Final Cut/Motion people toward the higher
>>>> priced MBP now that the graphics are improved in the MB. A blatant
>>>> marketing decision if so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which
>>>>> what the Mac Book and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on
>>>>> board.
>>>> So Apple had a competitive advantage, but now they've given it up...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only
>>>>> be able to add firewire via express slot device.
>>>>> Much like the internal wireless cards.
>>>> Hmmm, so it's really Intel's fault? Too bad Apple doesn't design their
>>>> own motherboards any more...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express
>>>>> slot so you can add a express firewire card.
>>>> Yep. And they also have onboard FW.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>>>> Have you seen one in person yet? The LED screen is decent on my MBP.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they
>>>>> are making for the notebooks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>>>>>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>>>>>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around
>>>>>> the display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for
>>>>>> graphics work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body
>>>>>> finish is still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the
>>>>>> display, which is my preferred option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>>>>>> and not a good one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DC
>>
>> Martin H
>> Lend An Ear Sound
>>
Martin H
Lend An Ear Sound
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100657 is a reply to message #100637] |
Sat, 18 October 2008 05:35 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Thanks Martin!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Martin Harrington wrote:
> Here you go, Jamie
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2119529,00.asp
>
> Martin
>
>
> On 17/10/08 4:56 PM, in article 48f82d5c@linux, "Jamie K"
> <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> Martin Harrington wrote:
>>> The MBP hard drive's not that hard to replace..
>>> I did it to mine, (put in a 250gb) and it only took an hour...if I knew what
>>> I was doing it would have been under half an hour..
>> That's good to know. Do you have have a good link for instructions to
>> follow?
>>
>> I expect to do it eventually, either to put in a bigger drive or perhaps
>> a solid state drive. Won't need to do it for a while, though.
>>
>> But with the newest MBP design it looks like it would take less than a
>> minute. With that setup, I would consider changing out the drive much
>> more often. For trips, for shoots, for gigs. That's a useful improvement.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>> Martin H
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16/10/08 2:45 PM, in article 48f6bd19@linux, "Jamie K"
>>> <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looking at the MacWorld quick review -
>>>>
>>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/136063/2008/10/macbook_first _look.html?lsrc=
>>>> to
>>>> p_1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - I noticed a very cool improvement in the MBP. The hard drive is easy
>>>> to access and easily user-upgradable. That is something I wish my
>>>> current MBP incorporated. Glad to see that change.
>>>>
>>>> CNet has a pretty good description of the new trackpad/button design:
>>>>
>>>> http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39030092,49299367,00.htm
>>>>
>>>> I'll have to try it but it sounds like a good idea. The way the trackpad
>>>> and gestures works on my current MPB is also well thought out.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>>>>>> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of
>>>>>> adding one.
>>>>> True. Which means I wouldn't be able to use one of those with my current
>>>>> studio audio interface. But I could use it with my portable interface
>>>>> which is USB.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>>>>> It can do firewire 400 with an adapter. But I gotta say having both
>>>>> ports on my 17" MBP has been useful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the
>>>>>> upcoming USB3.
>>>>> Here's my armchair quarterbacking (disclaimer, I'm not a quarterback and
>>>>> I don't actually have an armchair): It can't cost that much to include
>>>>> it. If I were Apple, I wouldn't make the change before USB3 is
>>>>> available. I could see making the choice when they could include USB3,
>>>>> but dropping FW altogether now is an odd choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless they want to push Final Cut/Motion people toward the higher
>>>>> priced MBP now that the graphics are improved in the MB. A blatant
>>>>> marketing decision if so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which
>>>>>> what the Mac Book and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on
>>>>>> board.
>>>>> So Apple had a competitive advantage, but now they've given it up...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would only
>>>>>> be able to add firewire via express slot device.
>>>>>> Much like the internal wireless cards.
>>>>> Hmmm, so it's really Intel's fault? Too bad Apple doesn't design their
>>>>> own motherboards any more...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express
>>>>>> slot so you can add a express firewire card.
>>>>> Yep. And they also have onboard FW.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>>>>> Have you seen one in person yet? The LED screen is decent on my MBP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they
>>>>>> are making for the notebooks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>>>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>>>>>>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>>>>>>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around
>>>>>>> the display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for
>>>>>>> graphics work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body
>>>>>>> finish is still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the
>>>>>>> display, which is my preferred option.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>>>>>>> and not a good one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks nice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DC
>>> Martin H
>>> Lend An Ear Sound
>>>
>
> Martin H
> Lend An Ear Sound
>
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100659 is a reply to message #100627] |
Sat, 18 October 2008 05:41 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
|
|
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> Hi Jamie,
> Sent you an email about changing the drive.
Thanks Chris!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Chris
>
>
>
> Jamie K wrote:
>> Martin Harrington wrote:
>>> The MBP hard drive's not that hard to replace..
>>> I did it to mine, (put in a 250gb) and it only took an hour...if I
>>> knew what
>>> I was doing it would have been under half an hour..
>>
>> That's good to know. Do you have have a good link for instructions to
>> follow?
>>
>> I expect to do it eventually, either to put in a bigger drive or
>> perhaps a solid state drive. Won't need to do it for a while, though.
>>
>> But with the newest MBP design it looks like it would take less than a
>> minute. With that setup, I would consider changing out the drive much
>> more often. For trips, for shoots, for gigs. That's a useful improvement.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>> Martin H
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16/10/08 2:45 PM, in article 48f6bd19@linux, "Jamie K"
>>> <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looking at the MacWorld quick review -
>>>>
>>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/136063/2008/10/macbook_first _look.html?lsrc=to
>>>>
>>>> p_1
>>>>
>>>> - I noticed a very cool improvement in the MBP. The hard drive is easy
>>>> to access and easily user-upgradable. That is something I wish my
>>>> current MBP incorporated. Glad to see that change.
>>>>
>>>> CNet has a pretty good description of the new trackpad/button design:
>>>>
>>>> http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39030092,49299367,00.htm
>>>>
>>>> I'll have to try it but it sounds like a good idea. The way the
>>>> trackpad
>>>> and gestures works on my current MPB is also well thought out.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will also have to see how the no firewire on the mac book plays out.
>>>>>> Sense it does not have an express slot there will be no chance of
>>>>>> adding one.
>>>>> True. Which means I wouldn't be able to use one of those with my
>>>>> current
>>>>> studio audio interface. But I could use it with my portable interface
>>>>> which is USB.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The 15 MBP 15 only have the 800 firewire port.
>>>>> It can do firewire 400 with an adapter. But I gotta say having both
>>>>> ports on my 17" MBP has been useful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Intel is pushing them away from firewire i think for USB and for the
>>>>>> upcoming USB3.
>>>>> Here's my armchair quarterbacking (disclaimer, I'm not a
>>>>> quarterback and
>>>>> I don't actually have an armchair): It can't cost that much to include
>>>>> it. If I were Apple, I wouldn't make the change before USB3 is
>>>>> available. I could see making the choice when they could include USB3,
>>>>> but dropping FW altogether now is an odd choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless they want to push Final Cut/Motion people toward the higher
>>>>> priced MBP now that the graphics are improved in the MB. A blatant
>>>>> marketing decision if so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Virtually all of the new mid-prided and low priced PC notebooks which
>>>>>> what the Mac Book and Mac Book pro are made do not have firewire on
>>>>>> board.
>>>>> So Apple had a competitive advantage, but now they've given it up...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Intel has actually made it so that on the new chip sets you would
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> be able to add firewire via express slot device.
>>>>>> Much like the internal wireless cards.
>>>>> Hmmm, so it's really Intel's fault? Too bad Apple doesn't design their
>>>>> own motherboards any more...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> At least the 15 MBP like the many of the PC notebooks have a express
>>>>>> slot so you can add a express firewire card.
>>>>> Yep. And they also have onboard FW.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The new LED screens are fricking cool.
>>>>> Have you seen one in person yet? The LED screen is decent on my MBP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't wait to see the new LED LCD Cinema Display/docking station they
>>>>>> are making for the notebooks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>>>> Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>>>>>>> construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>>>>>>> hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around
>>>>>>> the display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for
>>>>>>> graphics work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body
>>>>>>> finish is still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the
>>>>>>> display, which is my preferred option.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a
>>>>>>> surprise,
>>>>>>> and not a good one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks nice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DC
>>>
>>> Martin H
>>> Lend An Ear Sound
>>>
>
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| OT Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100662 is a reply to message #100661] |
Sat, 18 October 2008 09:11 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Chris Ludwig wrote:
> Hi Jamie,
> The fastest SSD drive which is being made by Intel atm is about as fast
> a ata 133 drive in actual performance.
Is this in express card format or a solid state version of an internal
SATA drive?
What I'm wondering about are removable solid state "drives" or flash
cards that plug directly into the express card slot. Express card media.
Here's an example I found (32GB), but I don't know if it's fast enough
for direct video recording on the laptop (camera connected via Firewire):
http://ec.transcendusa.com/product/ItemDetail.asp?ItemID=TS3 2GSSD34E-M
> The life span of SSD drives is also lower than standard hard drives.
> It night be able record a few tracks though. They are very expensive
> still though.
> You can get a 2 port Esata express card and use external Sata drives get
> far greater performance for the money.
True, and that may be an option. The drawbacks are that external hard
drives are bulky, make noise, require connecting with cables (possible
points of failure) and are somewhat fragile for on-location use. Which
is one reason I'm curious about the current state of solid state express
card drives.
This would be used for video recording via Quicktime Pro or with
dedicated video recording/monitoring software like Scopebox. One
situation where direct laptop recording may make sense is when doing
interviews.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> Jamie K wrote:
>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>> HI Jamie,
>>> When you say express memory card do you mean a solid state disk?
>>
>> Yes. Looking around on the net I've seen them up to 16GB so far, but
>> I'm not sure the ones I've run across would be fast enough to keep up.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>> Yes they do want the "Pro" to use the MBP and I think they want
>>>>> them to just use the 15' and then buy that the LED display for it
>>>>> to edit with so they don't need to bother with a 17" model.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, the 15" is a more portable package. My old PowerBook is a 15"
>>>> and I like that size. But I am enjoying having HD video resolution
>>>> wherever I am with the 17" - it rocks. It's been worth the small
>>>> extra weight penalty for what I do.
>>>>
>>>>> Apples market growth is in the consumer world so expect to see them
>>>>> paying less attention to the "Pro" market. Those people only buy
>>>>> computers every 3 to 5 years. \
>>>>> Apple would be out of business if thats the only market they had. :)
>>>>
>>>> OTOH the pros buy the big iron and pay the big bucks. :^)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Remember now people have to come out with USB and express card
>>>>> based video and audio devices to replace firewire ones.
>>>>> Which people need to buy now if they want a new Apple and for that
>>>>> matter Dell system.
>>>>> Isn't capitalism neat.. :)
>>>>
>>>> Heh. Good old planned obsolescence.
>>>>
>>>> That's something I managed to avoid with audio interfaces after
>>>> PARIS by buying a FW audio interface instead of an
>>>> internal-card-based one. My FW interface has lasted through three
>>>> computers, not bad. But it wouldn't work if I got the new MB.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just starting to think about express card add-ons for my MBP. Do
>>>> you happen to know if anyone make an express memory card that's fast
>>>> enough to keep up when recording DV or HDV to a tethered MBP?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
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| Re: Seen the new Macbook Pro yet? [message #100665 is a reply to message #100591] |
Mon, 20 October 2008 12:10 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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Dropping FW was a very bad decision IMO. I have no use for a laptop with
out FW.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=2414
Jamie K <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>
>Haven't seen it in person yet. The big news is the new case
>construction. If it's even more rugged, great!
>
>But I'm glad I didn't wait to get my 17", since, for now, that model
>hasn't changed (except for some new drive options).
>
>As for the 15" model's other changes, on the one hand, black around the
>display could be an advantage, perhaps less distracting for graphics
>work. OTOH, it looks weird on first glance since the body finish is
>still metallic. They also dropped the matte option for the display,
>which is my preferred option.
>
>Dropping firewire support for the non-pro MacBook is also a surprise,
>and not a good one.
>
>So I'd have to give today's announcements a mixed reaction.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>DC wrote:
>> Just announced today. Anyone actually seen one?
>>
>> Looks nice.
>>
>> DC
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