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Mon, 22 October 2007 20:53  |
Tom Bruhl
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I learned tonight that I have fried two new Mecs again.
The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully can
fix the mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.
I have what is probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed
now that there's a new PS but I'm not sure and don't care
anymore. It will be at least $300 to ship/repair.
I have possibly a messed up mobo or power supply=20
in my Paris computer also. It works fine without eds cards
installed though. Not sure about this just yet.
The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 in another
computer.
My plan is to keep a two card system with 16 in and 16 out with an
ADAT card in one MEC. I am there now. Can you say summing bus?
I also need to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for
prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=20
after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least
that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my basics
sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my heart=20
isn't in it for that much scratch. =20
Heres my Cubase rig as is:
-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)
-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)
-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone got that with =
instructions?
-7200 IDE C:
-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB
-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB
-PCIe dual head graphics
-1 PCI UAD-1 card=20
-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 =
analog in/out
- Frontier Tranzport USB
-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB
- Cubase dongle USB
-backup audio drive USB
-1 PCIe slot available
-1 PCI slots available
( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))
Here's what I need:
24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.
Thinking of the future here.
Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less
http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html
Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins
and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z link.
http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/
Are there any other contenders? I'm not finding anything.
Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.
Tom
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I learned tonight that I have fried two =
new Mecs=20
again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The EDS cards are all good. I =
hopefully=20
can</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>fix the mecs for resale with the chips =
I've=20
bought.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have what is probably a messed up =
Magma. =20
Maybe fixed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>now that there's a new PS but I'm not =
sure and=20
don't care</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>anymore. It will be at least $300 =
to=20
ship/repair.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have possibly a messed up mobo or =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>power supply </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in my Paris computer also. It =
works fine=20
without eds cards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>installed though. Not sure about =
this just=20
yet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The eds cards work fine with another =
Mec and 442 in=20
another</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>computer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My plan is to keep a two card system =
with 16=20
in and 16 out with an</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there =
now. =20
Can you say summing bus?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also need to up the analog ins in my =
Cubase rig=20
to get it ready for</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>prime time. I wanted the Aurora =
but that is=20
looking like $4,000 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>after all is said and done. I =
guess that the=20
Apogee is also at least</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that much. Those are only 16 =
in/out. =20
Not quite enough for my basics</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sessions sometimes. Both are too =
much me to=20
shell out and my heart </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>isn't in it </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>for that=20
much scratch. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Heres my Cubase rig as is:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the =
box)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch=20
yet) Anyone got that with=20
instructions?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 IDE C:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache =
500GB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache=20
500GB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-PCIe dual head graphics</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCI UAD-1 =
card </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat =
in/out,=20
MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog in/out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Frontier Tranzport USB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Wireless Mouse keyboard =
USB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Cubase dongle USB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-backup audio drive USB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCIe slot available</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCI slots =
available</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog =
in/out 1spdif=20
in/out))</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here's what I need:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>24 x A to D - D =
to A=20
in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thinking of the future =
here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 =
or=20
less</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www.=
motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</A></FONT></DIV >
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Already owning a Scope card leads me to =
this but=20
not enough ins</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and I think I will need a Z link =
attached to=20
my card. $1150 with Z link.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www=
..infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</A></FONT></DIV >
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are there any other contenders? =
I'm not=20
finding anything.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for your insite and all the =
previous=20
help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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and=20
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Mon, 22 October 2007 21:10  |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:471d719c@linux...
I learned tonight that I have fried two new Mecs again.
The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully can
fix the mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.
I have what is probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed
now that there's a new PS but I'm not sure and don't care
anymore. It will be at least $300 to ship/repair.
I have possibly a messed up mobo or power supply=20
in my Paris computer also. It works fine without eds cards
installed though. Not sure about this just yet.
The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 in another
computer.
My plan is to keep a two card system with 16 in and 16 out with an
ADAT card in one MEC. I am there now. Can you say summing bus?
I also need to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for
prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=20
after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least
that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my basics
sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my heart=20
isn't in it for that much scratch. =20
Heres my Cubase rig as is:
-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)
Be sure to install the most recent upgrade
-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)
What mobo???....will it support an Opteron 185? If so, you will get =
more go power.
-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone got that with =
instructions?
3GB switch info:
=
http://searchwincomputing.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid68_ gci1108831,00=
..html
=
http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=3D78120&p ostdays=3D0&posto=
rder=3Dasc&start=3D0
-7200 IDE C:
-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB
-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB
-PCIe dual head graphics
-1 PCI UAD-1 card=20
-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 =
analog in/out
- Frontier Tranzport USB
OK so far
-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB
why wireless???.........this adds potential for trouble, IMHO
- Cubase dongle USB
-backup audio drive USB
-1 PCIe slot available
-1 PCI slots available
( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))
Here's what I need:
24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.
Thinking of the future here.
Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less
http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html
Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins
and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z =
link.
http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/
Are there any other contenders? I'm not finding anything.
Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.
Tom
For 24 Analog I/O at 96KHz, you're looking at quite a cash outlay =
unless you go with firewire. A dedicated PCI or PCIe FW card and 3 x of =
these might get you there at a good price though:
=
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/PreSonus-Firepod-Fire Wire-Interfac=
e-with-Cubase-LE?sku=3D184131
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:471d719c@linux">news:471d719c@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I learned tonight that I have fried =
two new Mecs=20
again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The EDS cards are all good. I =
hopefully=20
can</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>fix the mecs for resale with the =
chips I've=20
bought.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have what is probably a messed up =
Magma. =20
Maybe fixed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>now that there's a new PS but I'm not =
sure and=20
don't care</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>anymore. It will be at least =
$300 to=20
ship/repair.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have possibly a messed up mobo or =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>power supply </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in my Paris computer also. It =
works fine=20
without eds cards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>installed though. Not sure =
about this just=20
yet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The eds cards work fine with another =
Mec and 442=20
in another</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>computer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My plan is to keep a two card system =
with 16=20
in and 16 out with an</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ADAT card in one MEC. I am =
there now. =20
Can you say summing bus?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also need to up the analog ins in =
my Cubase rig=20
to get it ready for</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>prime time. I wanted the Aurora =
but that is=20
looking like $4,000 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>after all is said and done. I =
guess that=20
the Apogee is also at least</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that much. Those are only 16 =
in/out. =20
Not quite enough for my basics</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sessions sometimes. Both are =
too much me to=20
shell out and my heart </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>isn't in it </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>for=20
that much scratch. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Heres my Cubase rig as =
is:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the=20
box)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>Be sure to install the most =
recent=20
upgrade</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>What mobo???....will it support =
an Opteron=20
185? If so, you will get more go power.</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch=20
yet) Anyone got that with=20
instructions?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>3GB switch =
info</EM>:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D" http://searchwincomputing.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid68_ gci11=
08831,00.html">http://searchwincomputing.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid6=
8_gci1108831,00.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D" http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=3D78120&a mp;postda=
ys=3D0&postorder=3Dasc&start=3D0">http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/=
viewtopic.php?t=3D78120&postdays=3D0&postord er=3Dasc&start=3D=
0</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 IDE C:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache =
500GB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache=20
500GB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-PCIe dual head graphics</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCI UAD-1 =
card </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 =
adat in/out,=20
MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog in/out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Frontier Tranzport USB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>OK so far</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Wireless Mouse keyboard =
USB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>why wireless???.........this adds =
potential=20
for trouble, IMHO</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Cubase dongle USB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-backup audio drive USB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCIe slot available</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCI slots =
available</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog =
in/out 1spdif=20
in/out))</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here's what I need:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>24 x A to D - D =
to A=20
in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thinking of the future =
here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at =
$1400 or=20
less</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www.=
motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</A></FONT></DIV >
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Already owning a Scope card leads me =
to this but=20
not enough ins</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and I think I will need a Z link =
attached to=20
my card. $1150 with Z link.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www=
..infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</A></FONT></DIV >
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are there any other contenders? =
I'm not=20
finding anything.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for your insite and all the =
previous=20
help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>For 24 Analog I/O at 96KHz, =
you're looking at=20
quite a cash outlay unless you go with firewire. A dedicated PCI or =
PCIe FW=20
card and 3 x of these might get you there at a good price=20
though:</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D" http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/PreSonus-Firepod-Fire Wire-=
Interface-with-Cubase-LE?sku=3D184131">http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro=
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| Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Help [message #91792 is a reply to message #91790] |
Mon, 22 October 2007 21:11 |
Dedric Terry
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Tom the MOTU units do have more I/O options than anyone else, but the
converters supposedly arenšt up to the level of other units probably not
bad though. Another option, if you donšt mind putting a little more into it
would be to go with an RME HDSP Digiface (PCIe) and 3-lightpipe ADDAs (RME
ADI8s, Aurora, Apogee, etc) - that would give you 24 in and out.
Firewire is another option, but PCI/PCIe should give you better bandwidth
for higher I/O, though firewire may be fine with 24 in and out.
Regards,
Dedric
On 10/22/07 9:53 PM, in article 471d719c@linux, "Tom Bruhl"
<arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I also need to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for
> prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000
> after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least
> that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my basics
> sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my heart
> isn't in it for that much scratch.
>
> Heres my Cubase rig as is:
>
> -Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)
> -AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)
> -3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone got that with instructions?
> -7200 IDE C:
> -7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB
> -7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB
> -PCIe dual head graphics
> -1 PCI UAD-1 card
> -1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog
> in/out
> - Frontier Tranzport USB
> -Wireless Mouse keyboard USB
> - Cubase dongle USB
> -backup audio drive USB
> -1 PCIe slot available
> -1 PCI slots available
> ( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))
>
> Here's what I need:
> 24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.
> Thinking of the future here.
>
> Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less
> http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html
>
> Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins
> and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z link.
> http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/
>
> Are there any other contenders? I'm not finding anything.
>
> Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.
> Tom
>
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or higher I/O, though firewire may be fine with 24 in and out.<BR>
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Regards,<BR>
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On 10/22/07 9:53 PM, in article 471d719c@linux, "Tom Bruhl" <a=
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to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for<BR>
prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000 <BR>
after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least<=
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that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my ba=
sics<BR>
sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my heart <B=
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isn't in it for that much scratch. <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Heres my Cubase rig as is:<BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)<BR>
-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)<BR>
-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone =
got that with instructions?<BR>
-7200 IDE C:<BR>
-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB<BR>
-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB<BR>
-PCIe dual head graphics<BR>
-1 PCI UAD-1 card <BR>
-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 anal=
og in/out<BR>
- Frontier Tranzport USB<BR>
-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB<BR>
- Cubase dongle USB<BR>
-backup audio drive USB<BR>
-1 PCIe slot available<BR>
-1 PCI slots available<BR>
( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))<BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Here's what I need:<BR>
24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.<B=
R>
Thinking of the future here.<BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less<BR=
>
<a href=3D"http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www.m=
otu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</a><BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but =
not enough ins<BR>
and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z link.<BR=
>
<a href=3D"http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www.=
infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</a><BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Are there any other contenders? I'm not fin=
ding anything.<BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.=
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| Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Help me buy stuff. [message #91794 is a reply to message #91790] |
Mon, 22 October 2007 22:02 |
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Hi Tom,
You stole my choice, the Motu 24i/o. I've used this card and i/o device with
DP and Logic audio. To me, it's the best sound unit Motu makes and it's been
around since 2001.
Can't say enough good things about it. The price is right. The analog i/o
is more than right.
Another choice would be to get a Mackie Oxyx 1640/with Firewire option. With
the 1640 you are killing several stones at once:
http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1640/
-16 very good mic pres that can hold it's own with a lot of top dollar so
called boutique pres
-Zero latency montioring!! (Hey It'sa true analog mixer)
-Talk back
-96kHz FireWire option for streaming 18 independent channels of audio to
computer with near-zero latency .
-Balanced direct outs for every channel via DB-25 connections
-http://www.mackie.com/products/onyxfirewire/
-Drivers for Windows and OSx
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>I learned tonight that I have fried two new Mecs again.
>The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully can
>fix the mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.
>
>I have what is probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed
>now that there's a new PS but I'm not sure and don't care
>anymore. It will be at least $300 to ship/repair.
>I have possibly a messed up mobo or power supply=20
>in my Paris computer also. It works fine without eds cards
>installed though. Not sure about this just yet.
>
>The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 in another
>computer.
>
>My plan is to keep a two card system with 16 in and 16 out with an
>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there now. Can you say summing bus?
>
>I also need to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for
>prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=20
>after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least
>that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my basics
>sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my heart=20
>isn't in it for that much scratch. =20
>
>Heres my Cubase rig as is:
>
>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)
>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)
>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone got that with =
>instructions?
>-7200 IDE C:
>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB
>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB
>-PCIe dual head graphics
>-1 PCI UAD-1 card=20
>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 =
>analog in/out
>- Frontier Tranzport USB
>-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB
>- Cubase dongle USB
>-backup audio drive USB
>-1 PCIe slot available
>-1 PCI slots available
>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))
>
>Here's what I need:
>24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.
>Thinking of the future here.
>
>Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less
>http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html
>
>Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins
>and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z link.
>http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/
>
>Are there any other contenders? I'm not finding anything.
>
>Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the =
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Cubase dongle USB</FONT></DIV>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCI slots =
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thinking of the future =
>here.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at $1400
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
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Mon, 22 October 2007 22:18 |
Tom Bruhl
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Deej,
Regarding the PreSonus FirePod:
I don't need pres at all. The price is about the same as the Motu.
Not sure the quality would be all that much better for about the same =
money.
Too much circuitry getting in the way there I think from my higher end =
pres.
I guess I really want pristine audio in a converter. Maybe I should =
bite the bullet
and get the Aurora or Apogee. Maybe an outboard PerSonas for the last 8 =
to go=20
into my Scope ADAT in. Problem is PCI and PCIe slots are hard to come =
by
in my rig. One of each are left plus firewire.
Maybe a new Magma is also in store for me? No, too much $ for my client =
base.
I am trying to cut back in general. Firewire (I've heard Chris say it's =
often trouble?)
or USB is an option if fast enough for the application.
Thanks for your input once again.
Tom
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message =
news:471d75b3@linux...
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:471d719c@linux...
I learned tonight that I have fried two new Mecs again.
The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully can
fix the mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.
I have what is probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed
now that there's a new PS but I'm not sure and don't care
anymore. It will be at least $300 to ship/repair.
I have possibly a messed up mobo or power supply=20
in my Paris computer also. It works fine without eds cards
installed though. Not sure about this just yet.
The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 in another
computer.
My plan is to keep a two card system with 16 in and 16 out with an
ADAT card in one MEC. I am there now. Can you say summing bus?
I also need to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready =
for
prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=20
after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at =
least
that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my =
basics
sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my heart=20
isn't in it for that much scratch. =20
Heres my Cubase rig as is:
-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)
Be sure to install the most recent upgrade
-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)
What mobo???....will it support an Opteron 185? If so, you will get =
more go power.
-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone got that with =
instructions?
3GB switch info:
=
http://searchwincomputing.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid68_ gci1108831,00=
..html
=
http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=3D78120&p ostdays=3D0&posto=
rder=3Dasc&start=3D0
-7200 IDE C:
-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB
-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB
-PCIe dual head graphics
-1 PCI UAD-1 card=20
-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, =
2 analog in/out
- Frontier Tranzport USB
OK so far
-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB
why wireless???.........this adds potential for trouble, IMHO
- Cubase dongle USB
-backup audio drive USB
-1 PCIe slot available
-1 PCI slots available
( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))
Here's what I need:
24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.
Thinking of the future here.
Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less
http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html
Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins
and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z =
link.
http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/
Are there any other contenders? I'm not finding anything.
Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.
Tom
For 24 Analog I/O at 96KHz, you're looking at quite a cash outlay =
unless you go with firewire. A dedicated PCI or PCIe FW card and 3 x of =
these might get you there at a good price though:
=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regarding the PreSonus =
FirePod:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't need pres at all. The =
price is about=20
the same as the Motu.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Not sure the quality would be all that =
much better=20
for about the same money.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Too much circuitry getting in the way =
there I think=20
from my higher end pres.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I guess I really want pristine audio in =
a=20
converter. Maybe I should bite the bullet</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and get the Aurora or Apogee. =
Maybe an=20
outboard PerSonas for the last 8 to go </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>into </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>my Scope ADAT=20
in. Problem is PCI and PCIe slots are hard to come by</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in my rig. One of each are left =
plus=20
firewire.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe a new Magma is also in store for =
me? =20
No, too much $ for my client base.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am trying to cut back in =
general. Firewire=20
(I've heard Chris say it's often trouble?)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>or USB is an option if fast enough for =
the=20
application.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for your input once =
again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I learned tonight that I have fried =
two new=20
Mecs again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The EDS cards are all good. I =
hopefully=20
can</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>fix the mecs for resale with the =
chips I've=20
bought.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have what is probably a messed up =
Magma. Maybe fixed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>now that there's a new PS but I'm =
not sure and=20
don't care</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>anymore. It will be at least =
$300 to=20
ship/repair.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have possibly a messed up mobo or =
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>power supply </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in my Paris computer also. It =
works fine=20
without eds cards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>installed though. Not sure =
about this=20
just yet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The eds cards work fine with =
another Mec and=20
442 in another</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>computer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My plan is to keep a two card =
system=20
with 16 in and 16 out with an</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ADAT card in one MEC. I am =
there=20
now. Can you say summing bus?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also need to up the analog ins in =
my Cubase=20
rig to get it ready for</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>prime time. I wanted the =
Aurora but that=20
is looking like $4,000 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>after all is said and done. I =
guess that=20
the Apogee is also at least</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that much. Those are only 16=20
in/out. Not quite enough for my basics</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sessions sometimes. Both are =
too much me=20
to shell out and my heart </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>isn't in it </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>for=20
that much scratch. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Heres my Cubase rig as =
is:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the=20
box)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>Be sure to install the most =
recent=20
upgrade</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>What mobo???....will it support =
an Opteron=20
185? If so, you will get more go power.</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch=20
yet) Anyone got that with=20
instructions?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>3GB switch =
info</EM>:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D" http://searchwincomputing.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid68_ gci11=
08831,00.html">http://searchwincomputing.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid6=
8_gci1108831,00.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D" http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=3D78120&a mp;postda=
ys=3D0&postorder=3Dasc&start=3D0">http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/=
viewtopic.php?t=3D78120&postdays=3D0&postord er=3Dasc&start=3D=
0</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 IDE C:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache =
500GB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache=20
500GB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-PCIe dual head =
graphics</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCI UAD-1 =
card </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 =
adat in/out,=20
MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog in/out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Frontier Tranzport =
USB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>OK so far</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Wireless Mouse keyboard =
USB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>why wireless???.........this =
adds potential=20
for trouble, IMHO</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Cubase dongle USB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-backup audio drive =
USB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCIe slot available</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCI slots =
available</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog =
in/out 1spdif=20
in/out))</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here's what I need:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>24 x A to D - D =
to A=20
in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thinking of the future =
here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at =
$1400 or=20
less</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
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href=3D"http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www.=
motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</A></FONT></DIV >
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Already owning a Scope card leads =
me to this=20
but not enough ins</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and I think I will need a Z =
link attached=20
to my card. $1150 with Z link.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www=
..infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</A></FONT></DIV >
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are there any other =
contenders? I'm not=20
finding anything.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for your insite and all the =
previous=20
help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>For 24 Analog I/O at 96KHz, =
you're looking=20
at quite a cash outlay unless you go with firewire. A dedicated PCI =
or PCIe=20
FW card and 3 x of these might get you there at a good price=20
though:</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D" http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/PreSonus-Firepod-Fire Wire-=
Interface-with-Cubase-LE?sku=3D184131">http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro=
duct/PreSonus-Firepod-FireWire-Interface-with-Cubase-LE?sku= 3D184131 </A><=
/FONT></DIV>
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Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Help me buy =
stuff.Hi Dedric,
I am starting to think the Apogee 16 ADATed into my existing
Scope ADAT ins would be super sounding converters. Maybe DJs
suggestion of the PreSonus FirePod as an additional 8 would be fine.
$3500 later. . .=20
I'll get a better deal than that but still. Ouch.
Thanks for the heads up. =20
Tom
Now watch out for those Red Sox!
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message =
news:C342D0A1.DDA9%dterry@keyofd.net...
Tom - the MOTU units do have more I/O options than anyone else, but =
the converters supposedly aren't up to the level of other units - =
probably not bad though. Another option, if you don't mind putting a =
little more into it would be to go with an RME HDSP Digiface (PCIe) and =
3-lightpipe ADDAs (RME ADI8s, Aurora, Apogee, etc) - that would give you =
24 in and out.
Firewire is another option, but PCI/PCIe should give you better =
bandwidth for higher I/O, though firewire may be fine with 24 in and =
out.
Regards,
Dedric
On 10/22/07 9:53 PM, in article 471d719c@linux, "Tom Bruhl" =
<arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
I also need to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready =
for
prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=20
after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at =
least
that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my =
basics
sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my heart=20
isn't in it for that much scratch. =20
Heres my Cubase rig as is:
-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)
-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)
-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone got that with =
instructions?
-7200 IDE C:
-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB
-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB
-PCIe dual head graphics
-1 PCI UAD-1 card=20
-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, =
2 analog in/out
- Frontier Tranzport USB
-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB
- Cubase dongle USB
-backup audio drive USB
-1 PCIe slot available
-1 PCI slots available
( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))
Here's what I need:
24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.
Thinking of the future here.
Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less
http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html
Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins
and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z =
link.
http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/
Are there any other contenders? I'm not finding anything.
Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.
Tom
=20
=20
=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800000 size=3D2>Hi =
Dedric,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800000 size=3D2>I am starting =
to think the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800000 size=3D2>Scope ADAT =
ins would be=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800000 size=3D2>suggestion of =
the PreSonus=20
FirePod as an additional 8 would be fine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800000 size=3D2>$3500 later. =
.. .=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800000 size=3D2>I'll get a =
better deal than=20
that but still. Ouch.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800000 =
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800000 size=3D2>Thanks for =
the heads=20
up. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800000 =
size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800000 =
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800000 size=3D2>Now watch out =
for those Red=20
Sox!</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>"Dedric Terry" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:dterry@keyofd.net">dterry@keyofd.net</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:C342D0A1.DDA9%dterry@keyofd.net">news:C342D0A1.DDA9%dterry@k=
eyofd.net</A>...</DIV><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR>Tom =96 the MOTU =
units do have=20
more I/O options than anyone else, but the converters supposedly =
aren=92t up to=20
the level of other units =96 probably not bad though. Another =
option, if=20
you don=92t mind putting a little more into it would be to go with an =
RME HDSP=20
Digiface (PCIe) and 3-lightpipe ADDAs (RME ADI8s, Aurora, Apogee, etc) =
- that=20
would give you 24 in and out.<BR><BR>Firewire is another option, but =
PCI/PCIe=20
should give you better bandwidth for higher I/O, though firewire may =
be fine=20
with 24 in and out.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Dedric<BR><BR>On 10/22/07 9:53 =
PM, in=20
article 471d719c@linux, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>=20
wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face=3DVerdana><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR></SPAN></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT face=3DArial>I also need to up the =
analog ins in=20
my Cubase rig to get it ready for<BR>prime time. I wanted the =
Aurora=20
but that is looking like $4,000 <BR>after all is said and done. =
I=20
guess that the Apogee is also at least<BR>that much. Those are =
only 16=20
in/out. Not quite enough for my basics<BR>sessions sometimes.=20
Both are too much me to shell out and my heart <BR>isn't in it =
for=20
that much scratch. <BR></FONT><FONT =
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Heres my Cubase rig as is:<BR></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 =
sitting in the=20
box)<BR>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)<BR>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch =
yet)=20
Anyone got that with =
instructions?<BR>-7200=20
IDE C:<BR>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB<BR>-7200 SATA Sample =
sets 16MB=20
cache 500GB<BR>-PCIe dual head graphics<BR>-1 PCI UAD-1 card <BR>-1x =
PCI=20
Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 =
analog=20
in/out<BR>- Frontier Tranzport USB<BR>-Wireless Mouse keyboard =
USB<BR>-=20
Cubase dongle USB<BR>-backup audio drive USB<BR>-1 PCIe slot =
available<BR>-1=20
PCI slots available<BR>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out =
1spdif=20
in/out))<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial>Here's=20
what I need:<BR>24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least =
probably=20
PCIe compatible.<BR>Thinking of the future here.<BR></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Features wise I like =
the Motu at=20
$1400 or less<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www.=
motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</A><BR></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Already owning a Scope =
card leads=20
me to this but not enough ins<BR>and I think I will need a Z link =
attached=20
to my card. $1150 with Z link.<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www=
..infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</A><BR></FONT ><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Are there any other =
contenders?=20
I'm not finding anything.<BR></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana><BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial>Thanks for your insite =
and all the=20
previous help.<BR>Tom<BR></FONT><FONT=20
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Tom Bruhl
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Hi LaMont,
How would you say the converters in the Motu stack up to
Aurora, Apogee and PreSonus? I'd guess closer to PreSonus
than the others right? they're priced similarly.
The Mackie mixer footprint is about the last thing I want in the
studio these days. I don't need the pres either. Won't the software
mixers get my cue mixes going ok without latency? Remember I'll
be using Cubase 4.0? and Scope 4.5 as the front end here.
I'm still a little gray on the routing setups here but as I understand =
it, the cue
mixes are setup with these soft apps that give you a virtual mixer for =
phones
while tracking right? Real-time effects are coming from outboard gear =
only unless
you have a screaming machine right? This is possible or do I 'have to =
have'
a hardware mixer to do the traditional basics or overdub session now?
I look forward to your answer!
Tom
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471d8058$1@linux...
Hi Tom,=20
You stole my choice, the Motu 24i/o. I've used this card and i/o =
device with
DP and Logic audio. To me, it's the best sound unit Motu makes and =
it's been
around since 2001.=20
Can't say enough good things about it. The price is right. The analog =
i/o
is more than right.=20
Another choice would be to get a Mackie Oxyx 1640/with Firewire =
option. With
the 1640 you are killing several stones at once:
http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1640/
-16 very good mic pres that can hold it's own with a lot of top dollar =
so
called boutique pres
-Zero latency montioring!! (Hey It'sa true analog mixer)
-Talk back=20
-96kHz FireWire option for streaming 18 independent channels of audio =
to
computer with near-zero latency .
-Balanced direct outs for every channel via DB-25 connections=20
-http://www.mackie.com/products/onyxfirewire/
-Drivers for Windows and OSx
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>I learned tonight that I have fried two new Mecs again.
>The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully can
>fix the mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.
>
>I have what is probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed
>now that there's a new PS but I'm not sure and don't care
>anymore. It will be at least $300 to ship/repair.
>I have possibly a messed up mobo or power supply=3D20
>in my Paris computer also. It works fine without eds cards
>installed though. Not sure about this just yet.
>
>The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 in another
>computer.
>
>My plan is to keep a two card system with 16 in and 16 out with an
>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there now. Can you say summing bus?
>
>I also need to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for
>prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=3D20
>after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least
>that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my basics
>sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my =
heart=3D20
>isn't in it for that much scratch. =3D20
>
>Heres my Cubase rig as is:
>
>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)
>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)
>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone got that with =3D
>instructions?
>-7200 IDE C:
>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB
>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB
>-PCIe dual head graphics
>-1 PCI UAD-1 card=3D20
>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, =
2 =3D
>analog in/out
>- Frontier Tranzport USB
>-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB
>- Cubase dongle USB
>-backup audio drive USB
>-1 PCIe slot available
>-1 PCI slots available
>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))
>
>Here's what I need:
>24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.
>Thinking of the future here.
>
>Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less
>http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html
>
>Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins
>and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z =
link.
>http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/
>
>Are there any other contenders? I'm not finding anything.
>
>Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I learned tonight that I have =
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=3D
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><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The EDS cards are all good. I =
=3D
>hopefully=3D20
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><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>fix the mecs for resale with the =
chips
=3D
>I've=3D20
>bought.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have what is probably a messed =
up =3D
>Magma. =3D20
>Maybe fixed</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>now that there's a new PS but =
I'm not =3D
>sure and=3D20
>don't care</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>anymore. It will be at least =
$300 =3D
>to=3D20
>ship/repair.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have possibly a messed up mobo =
or =3D
></FONT><FONT=3D20
>face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>power supply </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>in my Paris computer also. It =
=3D
>works fine=3D20
>without eds cards</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>installed though. Not sure about =
=3D
>this just=3D20
>yet.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The eds cards work fine with =
another =3D
>Mec and 442 in=3D20
>another</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>computer.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My plan is to keep a two card =
system =3D
>with 16=3D20
>in and 16 out with an</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there =
=3D
>now. =3D20
>Can you say summing bus?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also need to up the analog ins =
in my
=3D
>Cubase rig=3D20
>to get it ready for</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>prime time. I wanted the Aurora =
=3D
>but that is=3D20
>looking like $4,000 </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>after all is said and done. I =
=3D
>guess that the=3D20
>Apogee is also at least</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>that much. Those are only 16 =3D
>in/out. =3D20
>Not quite enough for my basics</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>sessions sometimes. Both are too =
=3D
>much me to=3D20
>shell out and my heart </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>isn't in it </FONT><FONT =
face=3D3DArial =3D
>size=3D3D2>for that=3D20
>much scratch. </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Heres my Cubase rig as =
is:</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the =
=3D
>box)</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-AMD 2.4 dually =
(4.8)</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the =
patch=3D20
>yet) Anyone got that with=3D20
>instructions?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 IDE C:</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache =3D
>500GB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB =
cache=3D20
>500GB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-PCIe dual head =
graphics</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCI UAD-1 =3D
>card </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with =
16 adat
=3D
>in/out,=3D20
>MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog in/out</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>- Frontier Tranzport =
USB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-Wireless Mouse keyboard =3D
>USB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>- Cubase dongle USB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-backup audio drive =
USB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCIe slot =
available</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCI slots =3D
>available</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>( Delta 66 not installed 4 =
analog =3D
>in/out 1spdif=3D20
>in/out))</FONT></DIV></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Here's what I need:</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>24 x A to D - D =3D
>to A=3D20
>in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thinking of the future =3D
>here.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at =
$1400
=3D
>or=3D20
>less</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20
=
>href=3D3D"http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://w=
ww.=3D
>motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</A></FONT></DIV >
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Already owning a Scope card =
leads me to
=3D
>this but=3D20
>not enough ins</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>and I think I will need a Z link =
=3D
>attached to=3D20
>my card. $1150 with Z link.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20
=
>href=3D3D"http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://=
www=3D
>.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</A></FONT></DIV >
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Are there any other contenders? =
=3D
>I'm not=3D20
>finding anything.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks for your insite and all =
the =3D
>previous=3D20
>help.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi LaMont,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How would you say the converters in the =
Motu stack=20
up to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aurora, Apogee and PreSonus? I'd =
guess closer=20
to PreSonus</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>than the others right? they're =
priced=20
similarly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Mackie mixer footprint is about the =
last thing=20
I want in the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>studio these days. I don't =
need the pres=20
either. Won't the software</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mixers get my cue mixes going ok =
without=20
latency? Remember I'll</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>be using Cubase 4.0? and Scope =
4.5=20
as the front end here.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>I'm still a little gray on the =
routing setups=20
here but as I understand it, the cue</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>mixes are setup with these soft =
apps that=20
give you a virtual mixer for phones</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>while tracking right? =
Real-time effects=20
are coming from outboard gear only unless</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>you have a screaming machine=20
right?</FONT><FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT> This =
is possible or do I=20
'have to have'</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a hardware mixer to do the =
traditional basics=20
or overdub session now?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I look forward to your =
answer!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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<DIV>"LaMont" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:jjdpro@gmail.com">jjdpro@gmail.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:471d8058$1@linux">news:471d8058$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Hi =
Tom,=20
<BR><BR>You stole my choice, the Motu 24i/o. I've used this card and =
i/o=20
device with<BR>DP and Logic audio. To me, it's the best sound unit =
Motu makes=20
and it's been<BR>around since 2001. <BR><BR>Can't say enough good =
things about=20
it. The price is right. The analog i/o<BR>is more than right. =
<BR><BR>Another=20
choice would be to get a Mackie Oxyx 1640/with Firewire option. =
With<BR>the=20
1640 you are killing several stones at once:<BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1640/">http://www.mackie.com/p=
roducts/onyx1640/</A><BR>-16=20
very good mic pres that can hold it's own with a lot of top dollar=20
so<BR>called boutique pres<BR><BR>-Zero latency montioring!! (Hey =
It'sa true=20
analog mixer)<BR><BR>-Talk back <BR><BR>-96kHz FireWire option for =
streaming=20
18 independent channels of audio to<BR>computer with near-zero latency =
.<BR><BR>-Balanced direct outs for every channel via DB-25 connections =
<BR><BR>-http://www.mackie.com/products/onyxfirewire/<BR><BR>-Drivers =
for=20
Windows and OSx<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>I learned tonight that I have fried two =
new Mecs=20
again.<BR>>The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully =
can<BR>>fix the=20
mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.<BR>><BR>>I have what =
is=20
probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed<BR>>now that there's =
a new PS=20
but I'm not sure and don't care<BR>>anymore. It will be at =
least $300=20
to ship/repair.<BR>>I have possibly a messed up mobo or power=20
supply=3D20<BR>>in my Paris computer also. It works fine =
without eds=20
cards<BR>>installed though. Not sure about this just=20
yet.<BR>><BR>>The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 =
in=20
another<BR>>computer.<BR>><BR>>My plan is to keep a two card =
system=20
with 16 in and 16 out with an<BR>>ADAT card in one MEC. I am =
there=20
now. Can you say summing bus?<BR>><BR>>I also need to up =
the=20
analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for<BR>>prime =
time. I=20
wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=3D20<BR>>after =
all is said=20
and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least<BR>>that=20
much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my=20
basics<BR>>sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell =
out and=20
my heart=3D20<BR>>isn't in it for that much scratch. =
=3D20<BR>><BR>>Heres=20
my Cubase rig as is:<BR>><BR>>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the=20
box)<BR>>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)<BR>>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the =
patch=20
yet) Anyone got that with=20
=3D<BR>>instructions?<BR>>-7200 IDE C:<BR>>-7200 SATA Audio =
16MB Cache=20
500GB<BR>>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB<BR>>-PCIe dual =
head=20
graphics<BR>>-1 PCI UAD-1 card=3D20<BR>>-1x PCI Scope Pro =
Classic with 16=20
adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 =3D<BR>>analog in/out<BR>>- =
Frontier=20
Tranzport USB<BR>>-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB<BR>>- Cubase =
dongle=20
USB<BR>>-backup audio drive USB<BR>>-1 PCIe slot =
available<BR>>-1 PCI=20
slots available<BR>>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif =
in/out))<BR>><BR>>Here's what I need:<BR>>24 x A to D - D to =
A=20
in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.<BR>>Thinking =
of the=20
future here.<BR>><BR>>Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or=20
=
less<BR>>http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html<BR>><=
BR>>Already=20
owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins<BR>>and I =
think I=20
will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z=20
=
link.<BR>>http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/<BR>>=
;<BR>>Are=20
there any other contenders? I'm not finding=20
anything.<BR>><BR>>Thanks for your insite and all the previous=20
=
help.<BR>>Tom<BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><=
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Mecs=3D20<BR>>again.</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FO=
NT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The EDS cards are all good. I=20
=
=3D<BR>>hopefully=3D20<BR>>can</FONT></DIV> <BR>><=
DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>fix the mecs for resale with the=20
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chips<BR>=3D<BR>>I've=3D20<BR>>bought.</FONT></DIV> <BR>=
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face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have what is probably a messed up =
=3D<BR>>Magma.=20
=3D20<BR>>Maybe =
fixed</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>now that there's a new PS but I'm not =
=3D<BR>>sure=20
and=3D20<BR>>don't =
care</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>anymore. It will be at least $300=20
=
=3D<BR>>to=3D20<BR> >ship/repair.</FONT></DIV> ; <BR>>&l=
t;DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have possibly a messed up mobo or=20
=3D<BR>></FONT><FONT=3D20<BR>>face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>power supply=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>in my Paris computer also. It =3D<BR>>works=20
fine=3D20<BR>>without eds=20
cards</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>installed though. Not sure about =3D<BR>>this=20
=
just=3D20<BR>>yet.</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT=
=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The eds cards work fine with another =
=3D<BR>>Mec and=20
442 =
in=3D20<BR>>another</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FON=
T=20
face=3D3DArial=20
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size=3D3D2>computer.</FONT></DIV > <BR>><DIV><FO=
NT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My plan is to keep a two card system =
=3D<BR>>with=20
16=3D20<BR>>in and 16 out with=20
an</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there =3D<BR>>now. =
=3D20<BR>>Can you=20
say summing bus?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also need to up the analog ins in=20
my<BR>=3D<BR>>Cubase rig=3D20<BR>>to get it ready=20
for</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>prime time. I wanted the Aurora =3D<BR>>but that=20
is=3D20<BR>>looking like $4,000=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>after all is said and done. I =3D<BR>>guess that=20
the=3D20<BR>>Apogee is also at=20
least</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>that much. Those are only 16 =3D<BR>>in/out. =
=3D20<BR>>Not quite=20
enough for my =
basics</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>sessions sometimes. Both are too =
=3D<BR>>much me=20
to=3D20<BR>>shell out and my heart=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>isn't in it </FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
=3D<BR>>size=3D3D2>for that=3D20<BR>>much scratch.=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Heres my Cubase rig as=20
is:</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the=20
=3D<BR>>box)</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-AMD 2.4 dually=20
(4.8)</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch=3D20<BR>>yet) Anyone =
got that=20
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with=3D20<BR> >instructions?</FONT></DIV&g t; <BR>><DIV>=
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face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 IDE=20
C:</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache=20
=3D<BR>>500GB</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB=20
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cache=3D20<BR>>500GB</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FO=
NT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-PCIe dual head=20
graphics</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-1 PCI UAD-1 =3D<BR>>card=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16=20
adat<BR>=3D<BR>>in/out,=3D20<BR>>MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog=20
in/out</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>- Frontier Tranzport=20
USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>-Wireless Mouse keyboard=20
=3D<BR>>USB</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>- Cubase dongle=20
USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>-backup audio drive=20
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USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV> <BR>><DIV><FON=
T=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCIe slot=20
available</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-1 PCI slots=20
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=3D<BR>>available</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog =
=3D<BR>>in/out=20
=
1spdif=3D20<BR> >in/out))</FONT></DIV>&am p;lt;/DIV> <BR>>&=
lt;DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Here's what I=20
need:</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>24 x A to D - D =3D<BR>>to A=3D20<BR>>in/out. 96k =
at least=20
probably PCIe =
compatible.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thinking of the future=20
=3D<BR>>here.</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at=20
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$1400<BR>=3D<BR>>or=3D20<BR>>less</FONT></DIV> <BR>>&=
lt;DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www'=
>http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www</A>.=
=3D<BR> >motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</A& amp;gt;</FONT&g=
t;</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Already owning a Scope card leads me=20
to<BR>=3D<BR>>this but=3D20<BR>>not enough=20
ins</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>and I think I will need a Z link =3D<BR>>attached =
to=3D20<BR>>my=20
card. $1150 with Z =
link.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www=
'>http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www</A=
>=3D<BR> >.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</ A></FON=
T></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Are there any other contenders? =
=3D<BR>>I'm=20
not=3D20<BR>>finding=20
anything.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Thanks for your insite and all the=20
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=3D<BR>>previous=3D20<BR>>help.</FONT></DIV> <BR>><=
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size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV&g t; <BR>><DIV><FONT=20
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</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
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</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
spam,=20
=
=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20 <BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
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Mon, 22 October 2007 23:25 |
Neil
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OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE
these! lol
OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has gone
belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear you're
talking about, but I can tell you something affordable AND
high-quality, and that's basically my i/o rig which is as
follows:
2x RME Multifaces - these are fucking clean as hell and if you
don't like the sound of the convertors, then you're not really
looking for "pristine", I can tellya that. Pick 'em up used or
new, they're out there in both worlds. I would recommend buying
new PCI cards, since there are probably some older ones that
have a power mod issue if you buy them used.
*** Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's & either
12 or 20 digital in's, total - depending on your
samplerate. Outs are the same #'s as above.
*** These are PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based, which
means, as far as I can tell, a more solid, more reliable
throughput in terms of bandwidth... guys here like Chris
L., Chuck, or Dedric, etc. can give you more technical
data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can tell
you I've tracked 21/22 channels (basic trax plus scratch
vox, etc, etc) of a band at a time on a weaker computer
than the setup you listed without a glitch. You mention
#'s of inputs needed as a concern, so I thought I'd
mention this.
*** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card option.
They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp with
an ass-kickin' digicard with a softlimit feature that
sounds great on certain things like bass, kick & snare. I
bring this unit up because it enables more channels of
input, in this case you can go lightpipe at up to 96k
into the Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp, too.
Even if you're not looking for preamps per se', if you're
starting a new build it's an affordable interface that you
really should consider... the 428 also gives you an extra
4 channels of external analog i/o when you get the
digicard option! You can pick these up used for in the
$1600 range WITH the card if you look around a bit.
*** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean, but
the key is it's got lightpipe out, so again, you're
adding to your i/o capacity here. The pres sound pretty
good, with nice headroom, and it's convenient to lightpipe
out to your 2nd Multiface, especially for things like
toms or a secondary bass channel that you don't need to
monitor directly, but do want to send to tape... errr..
DISK!
Honestly this setup works great for me - it's not as
sophisticated as a big MADI rig, and it might not be quite as
high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn it works really
well, and it sounds pretty farkin' good!
You're looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,
to about $4,500 if you have to buy it all new.
Neil
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| Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Help me buy stuff. [message #91806 is a reply to message #91804] |
Mon, 22 October 2007 23:38 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
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Hey Neil,
Lots of info here. I wasn't shopping for pres at all but if they're
part of the package then great. I am quite concerned about
PCI/PCIe slots (only 1 of each left) vs quality converters.
Like you stated, basics sessions can get up around 20-24 tracks
if they're hairy. The 24 in is essential and I'll still be looking for =
a verb
or something else for vocal/snare for the players to hear. Paris has
spoiled me in that regard. Effects galore! Maybe that's a mechanism =
for
the Paris engine while tracking? Live Mix mode and throw effects=20
across a vocal there? 1.5ms shouldn't hurt too badly.
I have some serious learning to do with Cubase before a tracking =
session!
My experience has been pretty much midi for the most part.
I'll go over all the gear in your setup and see what works for me too.
I think we both have to hit the hay now.
Goodnight and good luck,
Tom
"Neil" <OIIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:471d93c5$1@linux...
OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE
these! lol
OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has gone
belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear you're
talking about, but I can tell you something affordable AND
high-quality, and that's basically my i/o rig which is as
follows:
2x RME Multifaces - these are fucking clean as hell and if you
don't like the sound of the convertors, then you're not really
looking for "pristine", I can tellya that. Pick 'em up used or
new, they're out there in both worlds. I would recommend buying
new PCI cards, since there are probably some older ones that
have a power mod issue if you buy them used.
=20
*** Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's & either
12 or 20 digital in's, total - depending on your
samplerate. Outs are the same #'s as above.
*** These are PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based, which
means, as far as I can tell, a more solid, more reliable
throughput in terms of bandwidth... guys here like Chris
L., Chuck, or Dedric, etc. can give you more technical
data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can tell
you I've tracked 21/22 channels (basic trax plus scratch
vox, etc, etc) of a band at a time on a weaker computer
than the setup you listed without a glitch. You mention
#'s of inputs needed as a concern, so I thought I'd
mention this.
*** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card option.
They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp with
an ass-kickin' digicard with a softlimit feature that
sounds great on certain things like bass, kick & snare. I
bring this unit up because it enables more channels of
input, in this case you can go lightpipe at up to 96k
into the Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp, too.
Even if you're not looking for preamps per se', if you're
starting a new build it's an affordable interface that you
really should consider... the 428 also gives you an extra
4 channels of external analog i/o when you get the
digicard option! You can pick these up used for in the
$1600 range WITH the card if you look around a bit.
*** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean, but
the key is it's got lightpipe out, so again, you're
adding to your i/o capacity here. The pres sound pretty
good, with nice headroom, and it's convenient to lightpipe
out to your 2nd Multiface, especially for things like
toms or a secondary bass channel that you don't need to
monitor directly, but do want to send to tape... errr..
DISK!=20
Honestly this setup works great for me - it's not as
sophisticated as a big MADI rig, and it might not be quite as
high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn it works really=20
well, and it sounds pretty farkin' good!
You're looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,
to about $4,500 if you have to buy it all new.
Neil
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Neil,</FONT></DIV>
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shopping for pres=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>part of the package then great. I =
am quite=20
concerned about</FONT></DIV>
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quality=20
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get up around=20
20-24 tracks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if they're hairy. The 24 in is =
essential and=20
I'll still be looking for a verb</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>or something else for vocal/snare =
for the=20
players to hear. Paris has</FONT></DIV>
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Effects=20
galore! Maybe that's a mechanism for</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the Paris engine while tracking? =
Live Mix=20
mode and throw effects </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>across a vocal there? 1.5ms =
shouldn't hurt=20
too badly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have some serious learning to do with =
Cubase=20
before a tracking session!</FONT></DIV>
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midi for=20
the most part.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll go over all the gear in your setup =
and see=20
what works for me too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think we both have to hit the hay=20
now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Goodnight and good luck,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Neil" <<A href=3D"mailto:OIIOU@OIU.com">OIIOU@OIU.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
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href=3D"news:471d93c5$1@linux">news:471d93c5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>OOOo=
ooOOH!=20
Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE<BR>these! =
lol<BR><BR>OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has=20
gone<BR>belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear =
you're<BR>talking=20
about, but I can tell you something affordable AND<BR>high-quality, =
and that's=20
basically my i/o rig which is as<BR>follows:<BR><BR>2x RME Multifaces =
- these=20
are fucking clean as hell and if you<BR>don't like the sound of the=20
convertors, then you're not really<BR>looking for "pristine", I can =
tellya=20
that. Pick 'em up used or<BR>new, they're out there in both worlds. I =
would=20
recommend buying<BR>new PCI cards, since there are probably some older =
ones=20
that<BR>have a power mod issue if you buy them =
used.<BR> <BR> ***=20
Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's &=20
either<BR> 12 or 20 digital in's, total =
-=20
depending on your<BR> samplerate. Outs =
are the=20
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FW-based,=20
which<BR> means, as far as I can tell, a =
more=20
solid, more reliable<BR> throughput in =
terms of=20
bandwidth... guys here like Chris<BR> =
L., Chuck,=20
or Dedric, etc. can give you more =
technical<BR> =20
data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can=20
tell<BR> you I've tracked 21/22 channels =
(basic=20
trax plus scratch<BR> vox, etc, etc) of =
a band=20
at a time on a weaker computer<BR> than =
the=20
setup you listed without a glitch. You=20
mention<BR> #'s of inputs needed as a =
concern,=20
so I thought I'd<BR> mention =
this.<BR> ***=20
Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card=20
option.<BR> They now also have an 828 - =
this is=20
a GREAT preamp with<BR> an ass-kickin' =
digicard=20
with a softlimit feature that<BR> sounds =
great=20
on certain things like bass, kick & snare.=20
I<BR> bring this unit up because it =
enables more=20
channels of<BR> input, in this case you =
can go=20
lightpipe at up to 96k<BR> into the =
Multiface...=20
it's a nice smooth preamp, too.<BR> Even =
if=20
you're not looking for preamps per se', if=20
you're<BR> starting a new build it's an=20
affordable interface that you<BR> really =
should=20
consider... the 428 also gives you an =
extra<BR> =20
4 channels of external analog i/o when you get=20
the<BR> digicard option! You can pick =
these up=20
used for in the<BR> $1600 range WITH the =
card if=20
you look around a bit.<BR> *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent =
preamps,=20
nice & clean, but<BR> the key is =
it's got=20
lightpipe out, so again, you're<BR> =
adding to=20
your i/o capacity here. The pres sound=20
pretty<BR> good, with nice headroom, and =
it's=20
convenient to lightpipe<BR> out to your =
2nd=20
Multiface, especially for things =
like<BR> toms=20
or a secondary bass channel that you don't need=20
to<BR> monitor directly, but do want to =
send to=20
tape... errr..<BR> DISK! =
<BR><BR>Honestly this=20
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rig, and=20
it might not be quite as<BR>high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn =
it=20
works really <BR>well, and it sounds pretty farkin' =
good!<BR><BR>You're=20
looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,<BR>to about =
$4,500 if=20
you have to buy it all new.<BR><BR>Neil</BLOCKQUOTE>
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Tue, 23 October 2007 00:09 |
Neil
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Keep in mind that if you only have two PCI slots, you WILL
(note that I didn't say: "MAY") have to make a choice between
using a Scope front end and something else. Unless the
Scopestuff will give you the #'s of inputs you need even with
other external conversion boxes going to lightpipe Scope in's,
you must remember that in Cubase (or I imagine any other app)
you HAVE to select one Master ASIO driver! If you have two
Multiface PCI cards, you can select or default to the RME
driver & you'll be able to record & playback through BOTH
Multifacsia, if you have a Scope & something else
(MOTU/Apogee/RME/Whatever), then your i/o's are limited to
what can be selected on that ONE card/interface.
If you like the Scope for synths or summing, you'd be better
off setting that up in a secondary rig and using your primary
PC for two interfaces of the same type so that your i/o count
is maximized... in your case, anyway, based on what I think
you're trying to achieve.
Neil
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Hey Neil,
>Lots of info here. I wasn't shopping for pres at all but if they're
>part of the package then great. I am quite concerned about
>PCI/PCIe slots (only 1 of each left) vs quality converters.
>Like you stated, basics sessions can get up around 20-24 tracks
>if they're hairy. The 24 in is essential and I'll still be looking for
=
>a verb
>or something else for vocal/snare for the players to hear. Paris has
>spoiled me in that regard. Effects galore! Maybe that's a mechanism =
>for
>the Paris engine while tracking? Live Mix mode and throw effects=20
>across a vocal there? 1.5ms shouldn't hurt too badly.
>
>I have some serious learning to do with Cubase before a tracking =
>session!
>My experience has been pretty much midi for the most part.
>
>I'll go over all the gear in your setup and see what works for me too.
>I think we both have to hit the hay now.
>Goodnight and good luck,
>Tom
> "Neil" <OIIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:471d93c5$1@linux...
>
> OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE
> these! lol
>
> OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has gone
> belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear you're
> talking about, but I can tell you something affordable AND
> high-quality, and that's basically my i/o rig which is as
> follows:
>
> 2x RME Multifaces - these are fucking clean as hell and if you
> don't like the sound of the convertors, then you're not really
> looking for "pristine", I can tellya that. Pick 'em up used or
> new, they're out there in both worlds. I would recommend buying
> new PCI cards, since there are probably some older ones that
> have a power mod issue if you buy them used.
> =20
> *** Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's & either
> 12 or 20 digital in's, total - depending on your
> samplerate. Outs are the same #'s as above.
> *** These are PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based, which
> means, as far as I can tell, a more solid, more reliable
> throughput in terms of bandwidth... guys here like Chris
> L., Chuck, or Dedric, etc. can give you more technical
> data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can tell
> you I've tracked 21/22 channels (basic trax plus scratch
> vox, etc, etc) of a band at a time on a weaker computer
> than the setup you listed without a glitch. You mention
> #'s of inputs needed as a concern, so I thought I'd
> mention this.
> *** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card option.
> They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp with
> an ass-kickin' digicard with a softlimit feature that
> sounds great on certain things like bass, kick & snare. I
> bring this unit up because it enables more channels of
> input, in this case you can go lightpipe at up to 96k
> into the Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp, too.
> Even if you're not looking for preamps per se', if you're
> starting a new build it's an affordable interface that you
> really should consider... the 428 also gives you an extra
> 4 channels of external analog i/o when you get the
> digicard option! You can pick these up used for in the
> $1600 range WITH the card if you look around a bit.
> *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean, but
> the key is it's got lightpipe out, so again, you're
> adding to your i/o capacity here. The pres sound pretty
> good, with nice headroom, and it's convenient to lightpipe
> out to your 2nd Multiface, especially for things like
> toms or a secondary bass channel that you don't need to
> monitor directly, but do want to send to tape... errr..
> DISK!=20
>
> Honestly this setup works great for me - it's not as
> sophisticated as a big MADI rig, and it might not be quite as
> high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn it works really=20
> well, and it sounds pretty farkin' good!
>
> You're looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,
> to about $4,500 if you have to buy it all new.
>
> Neil
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Neil,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lots of info here. I wasn't =
>shopping for pres=20
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>part of the package then great. I =
>am quite=20
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>PCI/PCIe slots (only 1 of each left) vs
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>get up around=20
>20-24 tracks</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if they're hairy. The 24 in is =
>essential and=20
>I'll still be looking for a verb</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>or something else for vocal/snare =
>for the=20
>players to hear. Paris has</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>spoiled me in that regard. =
>Effects=20
>galore! Maybe that's a mechanism for</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the Paris engine while tracking? =
>Live Mix=20
>mode and throw effects </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>across a vocal there? 1.5ms =
>shouldn't hurt=20
>too badly.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have some serious learning to do with
=
>Cubase=20
>before a tracking session!</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My experience has been pretty much =
>midi for=20
>the most part.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll go over all the gear in your setup
=
>and see=20
>what works for me too.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think we both have to hit the hay=20
>now.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Goodnight and good luck,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV>"Neil" <<A href=3D"mailto:OIIOU@OIU.com">OIIOU@OIU.com</A>> =
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>you're<BR>talking=20
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> Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's &=20
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>the=20
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>concern,=20
> so I thought I'd<BR> mention =
>this.<BR> ***=20
> Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card=20
> option.<BR> They now also have an 828 - =
>this is=20
> a GREAT preamp with<BR> an ass-kickin' =
>digicard=20
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> it's a nice smooth preamp, too.<BR> Even =
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> you're<BR> starting a new build it's an=20
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>should=20
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>it's got=20
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Tue, 23 October 2007 01:42 |
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i'd stay away from the motu also.
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:11:45 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
wrote:
>
>Tom the MOTU units do have more I/O options than anyone else, but the
>converters supposedly arenšt up to the level of other units probably not
>bad though. Another option, if you donšt mind putting a little more into it
>would be to go with an RME HDSP Digiface (PCIe) and 3-lightpipe ADDAs (RME
>ADI8s, Aurora, Apogee, etc) - that would give you 24 in and out.
>
>Firewire is another option, but PCI/PCIe should give you better bandwidth
>for higher I/O, though firewire may be fine with 24 in and out.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 10/22/07 9:53 PM, in article 471d719c@linux, "Tom Bruhl"
><arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I also need to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for
>> prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000
>> after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least
>> that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my basics
>> sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my heart
>> isn't in it for that much scratch.
>>
>> Heres my Cubase rig as is:
>>
>> -Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)
>> -AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)
>> -3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone got that with instructions?
>> -7200 IDE C:
>> -7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB
>> -7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB
>> -PCIe dual head graphics
>> -1 PCI UAD-1 card
>> -1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog
>> in/out
>> - Frontier Tranzport USB
>> -Wireless Mouse keyboard USB
>> - Cubase dongle USB
>> -backup audio drive USB
>> -1 PCIe slot available
>> -1 PCI slots available
>> ( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))
>>
>> Here's what I need:
>> 24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.
>> Thinking of the future here.
>>
>> Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less
>> http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html
>>
>> Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins
>> and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z link.
>> http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/
>>
>> Are there any other contenders? I'm not finding anything.
>>
>> Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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| Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Help me buy stuff. [message #91812 is a reply to message #91800] |
Tue, 23 October 2007 01:45 |
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for consumer use i'd say the 24 i/o is fine...and yes i have one here.
both paris and the rme's kick it's ass in clarity and stereo field and
depth...afaik
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:49:11 -0400, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
wrote:
>Hi LaMont,
>How would you say the converters in the Motu stack up to
>Aurora, Apogee and PreSonus? I'd guess closer to PreSonus
>than the others right? they're priced similarly.
>
>The Mackie mixer footprint is about the last thing I want in the
>studio these days. I don't need the pres either. Won't the software
>mixers get my cue mixes going ok without latency? Remember I'll
>be using Cubase 4.0? and Scope 4.5 as the front end here.
>
>I'm still a little gray on the routing setups here but as I understand it, the cue
>mixes are setup with these soft apps that give you a virtual mixer for phones
>while tracking right? Real-time effects are coming from outboard gear only unless
>you have a screaming machine right? This is possible or do I 'have to have'
>a hardware mixer to do the traditional basics or overdub session now?
>
>I look forward to your answer!
>Tom
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471d8058$1@linux...
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> You stole my choice, the Motu 24i/o. I've used this card and i/o device with
> DP and Logic audio. To me, it's the best sound unit Motu makes and it's been
> around since 2001.
>
> Can't say enough good things about it. The price is right. The analog i/o
> is more than right.
>
> Another choice would be to get a Mackie Oxyx 1640/with Firewire option. With
> the 1640 you are killing several stones at once:
>
> http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1640/
> -16 very good mic pres that can hold it's own with a lot of top dollar so
> called boutique pres
>
> -Zero latency montioring!! (Hey It'sa true analog mixer)
>
> -Talk back
>
> -96kHz FireWire option for streaming 18 independent channels of audio to
> computer with near-zero latency .
>
> -Balanced direct outs for every channel via DB-25 connections
>
> -http://www.mackie.com/products/onyxfirewire/
>
> -Drivers for Windows and OSx
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >I learned tonight that I have fried two new Mecs again.
> >The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully can
> >fix the mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.
> >
> >I have what is probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed
> >now that there's a new PS but I'm not sure and don't care
> >anymore. It will be at least $300 to ship/repair.
> >I have possibly a messed up mobo or power supply=20
> >in my Paris computer also. It works fine without eds cards
> >installed though. Not sure about this just yet.
> >
> >The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 in another
> >computer.
> >
> >My plan is to keep a two card system with 16 in and 16 out with an
> >ADAT card in one MEC. I am there now. Can you say summing bus?
> >
> >I also need to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for
> >prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=20
> >after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least
> >that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my basics
> >sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my heart=20
> >isn't in it for that much scratch. =20
> >
> >Heres my Cubase rig as is:
> >
> >-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)
> >-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)
> >-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone got that with =
> >instructions?
> >-7200 IDE C:
> >-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB
> >-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB
> >-PCIe dual head graphics
> >-1 PCI UAD-1 card=20
> >-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 =
> >analog in/out
> >- Frontier Tranzport USB
> >-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB
> >- Cubase dongle USB
> >-backup audio drive USB
> >-1 PCIe slot available
> >-1 PCI slots available
> >( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))
> >
> >Here's what I need:
> >24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.
> >Thinking of the future here.
> >
> >Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less
> >http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html
> >
> >Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins
> >and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z link.
> >http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/
> >
> >Are there any other contenders? I'm not finding anything.
> >
> >Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.
> >Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I learned tonight that I have fried two
> =
> >new Mecs=20
> >again.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The EDS cards are all good. I =
> >hopefully=20
> >can</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>fix the mecs for resale with the chips
> =
> >I've=20
> >bought.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have what is probably a messed up =
> >Magma. =20
> >Maybe fixed</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>now that there's a new PS but I'm not =
> >sure and=20
> >don't care</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>anymore. It will be at least $300 =
> >to=20
> >ship/repair.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have possibly a messed up mobo or =
> ></FONT><FONT=20
> >face=3DArial size=3D2>power supply </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in my Paris computer also. It =
> >works fine=20
> >without eds cards</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>installed though. Not sure about =
> >this just=20
> >yet.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The eds cards work fine with another =
> >Mec and 442 in=20
> >another</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>computer.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My plan is to keep a two card system =
> >with 16=20
> >in and 16 out with an</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there =
> >now. =20
> >Can you say summing bus?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also need to up the analog ins in my
> =
> >Cubase rig=20
> >to get it ready for</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>prime time. I wanted the Aurora =
> >but that is=20
> >looking like $4,000 </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>after all is said and done. I =
> >guess that the=20
> >Apogee is also at least</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that much. Those are only 16 =
> >in/out. =20
> >Not quite enough for my basics</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sessions sometimes. Both are too =
> >much me to=20
> >shell out and my heart </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>isn't in it </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
> >size=3D2>for that=20
> >much scratch. </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Heres my Cubase rig as is:</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the =
> >box)</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch=20
> >yet) Anyone got that with=20
> >instructions?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 IDE C:</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache =
> >500GB</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache=20
> >500GB</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-PCIe dual head graphics</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCI UAD-1 =
> >card </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat
> =
> >in/out,=20
> >MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog in/out</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Frontier Tranzport USB</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Wireless Mouse keyboard =
> >USB</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Cubase dongle USB</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-backup audio drive USB</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCIe slot available</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCI slots =
> >available</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog =
> >in/out 1spdif=20
> >in/out))</FONT></DIV></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here's what I need:</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>24 x A to D - D =
> >to A=20
> >in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thinking of the future =
> >here.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at $1400
> =
> >or=20
> >less</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
> >href=3D"http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www.=
> >motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</A></FONT></DIV >
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Already owning a Scope card leads me to
> =
> >this but=20
> >not enough ins</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and I think I will need a Z link =
> >attached to=20
> >my card. $1150 with Z link.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
> >href=3D"http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www=
> >.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</A></FONT></DIV >
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are there any other contenders? =
> >I'm not=20
> >finding anything.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for your insite and all the =
> >previous=20
> >help.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
> >and=20
> >you?<BR><A=20
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| Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Help me buy stuff. [message #91816 is a reply to message #91790] |
Tue, 23 October 2007 04:15 |
mike audet[1]
Messages: 129
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hi Tom,
I am so sorry to hear about all of this. I wonder if the problem wasn't
the PCs power supply all along. A while back, I worked for a store that
had a printer plugged into one power outlet and a computer plugged into another
power outlet. Some power potential difference between the two outlets fried
the printer as soon as it was plugged into the computer. We took the printer
back, exchanged it, and then fried the new one the same way. I'm betting
that your old PC will fry anything that plugs into it and also has it's own
power supply. It's just a guess, but it explains the facts.
Well, I'm glad PARIS will still be part of your future in some way. I'll
do my best to make PARIS so cool that you dump Cubase. :)
All the best!
Mike
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>I learned tonight that I have fried two new Mecs again.
>The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully can
>fix the mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.
>
>I have what is probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed
>now that there's a new PS but I'm not sure and don't care
>anymore. It will be at least $300 to ship/repair.
>I have possibly a messed up mobo or power supply=20
>in my Paris computer also. It works fine without eds cards
>installed though. Not sure about this just yet.
>
>The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 in another
>computer.
>
>My plan is to keep a two card system with 16 in and 16 out with an
>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there now. Can you say summing bus?
>
>I also need to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for
>prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=20
>after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least
>that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my basics
>sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my heart=20
>isn't in it for that much scratch. =20
>
>Heres my Cubase rig as is:
>
>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)
>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)
>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone got that with =
>instructions?
>-7200 IDE C:
>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB
>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB
>-PCIe dual head graphics
>-1 PCI UAD-1 card=20
>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 =
>analog in/out
>- Frontier Tranzport USB
>-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB
>- Cubase dongle USB
>-backup audio drive USB
>-1 PCIe slot available
>-1 PCI slots available
>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))
>
>Here's what I need:
>24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.
>Thinking of the future here.
>
>Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less
>http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html
>
>Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins
>and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z link.
>http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/
>
>Are there any other contenders? I'm not finding anything.
>
>Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I learned tonight that I have fried two
=
>new Mecs=20
>again.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The EDS cards are all good. I =
>hopefully=20
>can</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>fix the mecs for resale with the chips
=
>I've=20
>bought.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have what is probably a messed up =
>Magma. =20
>Maybe fixed</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>now that there's a new PS but I'm not =
>sure and=20
>don't care</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>anymore. It will be at least $300 =
>to=20
>ship/repair.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have possibly a messed up mobo or =
></FONT><FONT=20
>face=3DArial size=3D2>power supply </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in my Paris computer also. It =
>works fine=20
>without eds cards</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>installed though. Not sure about =
>this just=20
>yet.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The eds cards work fine with another =
>Mec and 442 in=20
>another</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>computer.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My plan is to keep a two card system =
>with 16=20
>in and 16 out with an</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there =
>now. =20
>Can you say summing bus?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also need to up the analog ins in my
=
>Cubase rig=20
>to get it ready for</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>prime time. I wanted the Aurora =
>but that is=20
>looking like $4,000 </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>after all is said and done. I =
>guess that the=20
>Apogee is also at least</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that much. Those are only 16 =
>in/out. =20
>Not quite enough for my basics</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sessions sometimes. Both are too =
>much me to=20
>shell out and my heart </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>isn't in it </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2>for that=20
>much scratch. </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Heres my Cubase rig as is:</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the =
>box)</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch=20
>yet) Anyone got that with=20
>instructions?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 IDE C:</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache =
>500GB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache=20
>500GB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-PCIe dual head graphics</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCI UAD-1 =
>card </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat
=
>in/out,=20
>MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog in/out</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Frontier Tranzport USB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Wireless Mouse keyboard =
>USB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>- Cubase dongle USB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-backup audio drive USB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCIe slot available</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-1 PCI slots =
>available</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog =
>in/out 1spdif=20
>in/out))</FONT></DIV></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here's what I need:</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>24 x A to D - D =
>to A=20
>in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thinking of the future =
>here.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at $1400
=
>or=20
>less</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>href=3D"http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www.=
>motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</A></FONT></DIV >
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Already owning a Scope card leads me to
=
>this but=20
>not enough ins</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and I think I will need a Z link =
>attached to=20
>my card. $1150 with Z link.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>href=3D"http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www=
>.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</A></FONT></DIV >
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are there any other contenders? =
>I'm not=20
>finding anything.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for your insite and all the =
>previous=20
>help.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
>and=20
>you?<BR><A=20
>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
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| Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Help me buy stuff. [message #91824 is a reply to message #91816] |
Tue, 23 October 2007 07:26 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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Mike,
All I know is the Mecs got fried but I think they were fried
before I started plugging things into the PC. The Magma card
was in the PC though. After moving things to the computer
it wouldn't boot but the EDS cards still seem to work in another
comp.
Thanks for your help.
Tom
"Mike Audet" <mike@....> wrote in message news:471dd7d3$1@linux...
Hi Tom,
I am so sorry to hear about all of this. I wonder if the problem =
wasn't
the PCs power supply all along. A while back, I worked for a store =
that
had a printer plugged into one power outlet and a computer plugged =
into another
power outlet. Some power potential difference between the two outlets =
fried
the printer as soon as it was plugged into the computer. We took the =
printer
back, exchanged it, and then fried the new one the same way. I'm =
betting
that your old PC will fry anything that plugs into it and also has =
it's own
power supply. It's just a guess, but it explains the facts.
Well, I'm glad PARIS will still be part of your future in some way. =
I'll
do my best to make PARIS so cool that you dump Cubase. :)
All the best!
Mike
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>I learned tonight that I have fried two new Mecs again.
>The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully can
>fix the mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.
>
>I have what is probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed
>now that there's a new PS but I'm not sure and don't care
>anymore. It will be at least $300 to ship/repair.
>I have possibly a messed up mobo or power supply=3D20
>in my Paris computer also. It works fine without eds cards
>installed though. Not sure about this just yet.
>
>The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 in another
>computer.
>
>My plan is to keep a two card system with 16 in and 16 out with an
>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there now. Can you say summing bus?
>
>I also need to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for
>prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=3D20
>after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least
>that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my basics
>sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my =
heart=3D20
>isn't in it for that much scratch. =3D20
>
>Heres my Cubase rig as is:
>
>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)
>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)
>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone got that with =3D
>instructions?
>-7200 IDE C:
>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB
>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB
>-PCIe dual head graphics
>-1 PCI UAD-1 card=3D20
>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, =
2 =3D
>analog in/out
>- Frontier Tranzport USB
>-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB
>- Cubase dongle USB
>-backup audio drive USB
>-1 PCIe slot available
>-1 PCI slots available
>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))
>
>Here's what I need:
>24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.
>Thinking of the future here.
>
>Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less
>http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html
>
>Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins
>and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z =
link.
>http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/
>
>Are there any other contenders? I'm not finding anything.
>
>Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I learned tonight that I have =
fried two
=3D
>new Mecs=3D20
>again.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The EDS cards are all good. I =
=3D
>hopefully=3D20
>can</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>fix the mecs for resale with the =
chips
=3D
>I've=3D20
>bought.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have what is probably a messed =
up =3D
>Magma. =3D20
>Maybe fixed</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>now that there's a new PS but =
I'm not =3D
>sure and=3D20
>don't care</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>anymore. It will be at least =
$300 =3D
>to=3D20
>ship/repair.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have possibly a messed up mobo =
or =3D
></FONT><FONT=3D20
>face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>power supply </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>in my Paris computer also. It =
=3D
>works fine=3D20
>without eds cards</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>installed though. Not sure =
about =3D
>this just=3D20
>yet.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The eds cards work fine with =
another =3D
>Mec and 442 in=3D20
>another</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>computer.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My plan is to keep a two card =
system =3D
>with 16=3D20
>in and 16 out with an</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>ADAT card in one MEC. I am =
there =3D
>now. =3D20
>Can you say summing bus?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also need to up the analog ins =
in my
=3D
>Cubase rig=3D20
>to get it ready for</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>prime time. I wanted the Aurora =
=3D
>but that is=3D20
>looking like $4,000 </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>after all is said and done. I =
=3D
>guess that the=3D20
>Apogee is also at least</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>that much. Those are only 16 =
=3D
>in/out. =3D20
>Not quite enough for my basics</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>sessions sometimes. Both are =
too =3D
>much me to=3D20
>shell out and my heart </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>isn't in it </FONT><FONT =
face=3D3DArial =3D
>size=3D3D2>for that=3D20
>much scratch. </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Heres my Cubase rig as =
is:</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the =
=3D
>box)</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-AMD 2.4 dually =
(4.8)</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the =
patch=3D20
>yet) Anyone got that with=3D20
>instructions?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 IDE C:</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache =3D
>500GB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB =
cache=3D20
>500GB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-PCIe dual head =
graphics</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCI UAD-1 =3D
>card </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with =
16 adat
=3D
>in/out,=3D20
>MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog in/out</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>- Frontier Tranzport =
USB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-Wireless Mouse keyboard =3D
>USB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>- Cubase dongle USB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-backup audio drive =
USB</FONT></DIV>
><DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCIe slot =
available</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCI slots =3D
>available</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>( Delta 66 not installed 4 =
analog =3D
>in/out 1spdif=3D20
>in/out))</FONT></DIV></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Here's what I need:</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>24 x A to D - D =3D
>to A=3D20
>in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thinking of the future =3D
>here.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at =
$1400
=3D
>or=3D20
>less</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20
=
>href=3D3D"http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://w=
ww.=3D
>motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</A></FONT></DIV >
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Already owning a Scope card =
leads me to
=3D
>this but=3D20
>not enough ins</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>and I think I will need a Z link =
=3D
>attached to=3D20
>my card. $1150 with Z link.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20
=
>href=3D3D"http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://=
www=3D
>.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</A></FONT></DIV >
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Are there any other contenders? =
=3D
>I'm not=3D20
>finding anything.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks for your insite and all =
the =3D
>previous=3D20
>help.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
spam, =3D
>and=3D20
>you?<BR><A=3D20
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>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All I know is the Mecs got fried but I =
think they=20
were fried</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>before I started plugging things into =
the PC. =20
The Magma card</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>was in the PC though. After =
moving things to=20
the computer</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>it wouldn't boot but the EDS cards =
still seem to=20
work in another</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>comp.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for your help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Mike Audet" <mike@....> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:471dd7d3$1@linux">news:471dd7d3$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Hi=20
Tom,<BR><BR>I am so sorry to hear about all of this. I wonder if =
the=20
problem wasn't<BR>the PCs power supply all along. A while back, =
I worked=20
for a store that<BR>had a printer plugged into one power outlet and a =
computer=20
plugged into another<BR>power outlet. Some power potential =
difference=20
between the two outlets fried<BR>the printer as soon as it was plugged =
into=20
the computer. We took the printer<BR>back, exchanged it, and =
then fried=20
the new one the same way. I'm betting<BR>that your old PC will =
fry=20
anything that plugs into it and also has it's own<BR>power =
supply. It's=20
just a guess, but it explains the facts.<BR><BR>Well, I'm glad PARIS =
will=20
still be part of your future in some way. I'll<BR>do my best to =
make=20
PARIS so cool that you dump Cubase. :)<BR><BR>All the=20
best!<BR><BR>Mike<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>I learned tonight that I have fried two =
new Mecs=20
again.<BR>>The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully =
can<BR>>fix the=20
mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.<BR>><BR>>I have what =
is=20
probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed<BR>>now that there's =
a new PS=20
but I'm not sure and don't care<BR>>anymore. It will be at =
least $300=20
to ship/repair.<BR>>I have possibly a messed up mobo or power=20
supply=3D20<BR>>in my Paris computer also. It works fine =
without eds=20
cards<BR>>installed though. Not sure about this just=20
yet.<BR>><BR>>The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 =
in=20
another<BR>>computer.<BR>><BR>>My plan is to keep a two card =
system=20
with 16 in and 16 out with an<BR>>ADAT card in one MEC. I am =
there=20
now. Can you say summing bus?<BR>><BR>>I also need to up =
the=20
analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for<BR>>prime =
time. I=20
wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=3D20<BR>>after =
all is said=20
and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least<BR>>that=20
much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my=20
basics<BR>>sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell =
out and=20
my heart=3D20<BR>>isn't in it for that much scratch. =
=3D20<BR>><BR>>Heres=20
my Cubase rig as is:<BR>><BR>>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the=20
box)<BR>>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)<BR>>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the =
patch=20
yet) Anyone got that with=20
=3D<BR>>instructions?<BR>>-7200 IDE C:<BR>>-7200 SATA Audio =
16MB Cache=20
500GB<BR>>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB<BR>>-PCIe dual =
head=20
graphics<BR>>-1 PCI UAD-1 card=3D20<BR>>-1x PCI Scope Pro =
Classic with 16=20
adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 =3D<BR>>analog in/out<BR>>- =
Frontier=20
Tranzport USB<BR>>-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB<BR>>- Cubase =
dongle=20
USB<BR>>-backup audio drive USB<BR>>-1 PCIe slot =
available<BR>>-1 PCI=20
slots available<BR>>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif =
in/out))<BR>><BR>>Here's what I need:<BR>>24 x A to D - D to =
A=20
in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.<BR>>Thinking =
of the=20
future here.<BR>><BR>>Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or=20
=
less<BR>>http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html<BR>><=
BR>>Already=20
owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins<BR>>and I =
think I=20
will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z=20
=
link.<BR>>http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/<BR>>=
;<BR>>Are=20
there any other contenders? I'm not finding=20
anything.<BR>><BR>>Thanks for your insite and all the previous=20
=
help.<BR>>Tom<BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><=
BR>>I=20
choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and=20
you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
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size=3D3D2>I=20
learned tonight that I have fried two<BR>=3D<BR>>new=20
=
Mecs=3D20<BR>>again.</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FO=
NT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The EDS cards are all good. I=20
=
=3D<BR>>hopefully=3D20<BR>>can</FONT></DIV> <BR>><=
DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>fix the mecs for resale with the=20
=
chips<BR>=3D<BR>>I've=3D20<BR>>bought.</FONT></DIV> <BR>=
><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have what is probably a messed up =
=3D<BR>>Magma.=20
=3D20<BR>>Maybe =
fixed</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>now that there's a new PS but I'm not =
=3D<BR>>sure=20
and=3D20<BR>>don't =
care</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>anymore. It will be at least $300=20
=
=3D<BR>>to=3D20<BR> >ship/repair.</FONT></DIV> ; <BR>>&l=
t;DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have possibly a messed up mobo or=20
=3D<BR>></FONT><FONT=3D20<BR>>face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>power supply=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>in my Paris computer also. It =3D<BR>>works=20
fine=3D20<BR>>without eds=20
cards</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>installed though. Not sure about =3D<BR>>this=20
=
just=3D20<BR>>yet.</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT=
=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The eds cards work fine with another =
=3D<BR>>Mec and=20
442 =
in=3D20<BR>>another</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FON=
T=20
face=3D3DArial=20
=
size=3D3D2>computer.</FONT></DIV > <BR>><DIV><FO=
NT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My plan is to keep a two card system =
=3D<BR>>with=20
16=3D20<BR>>in and 16 out with=20
an</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there =3D<BR>>now.=20
=3D20<BR>>Can you say summing=20
bus?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>I also need to up the analog ins in =
my<BR>=3D<BR>>Cubase=20
rig=3D20<BR>>to get it ready=20
for</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>prime time. I wanted the Aurora =3D<BR>>but =
that=20
is=3D20<BR>>looking like $4,000=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>after all is said and done. I =3D<BR>>guess =
that=20
the=3D20<BR>>Apogee is also at=20
least</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>that much. Those are only 16 =3D<BR>>in/out. =
=3D20<BR>>Not=20
quite enough for my =
basics</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>sessions sometimes. Both are too =
=3D<BR>>much=20
me to=3D20<BR>>shell out and my heart=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>isn't in it </FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
=3D<BR>>size=3D3D2>for that=3D20<BR>>much scratch. =20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Heres my Cubase rig as=20
is:</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the=20
=3D<BR>>box)</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-AMD 2.4 dually=20
(4.8)</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the=20
patch=3D20<BR> >yet) &nbs p; Anyone got that=20
=
with=3D20<BR> >instructions?</FONT></DIV&g t; <BR>><DIV>=
;<FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 IDE=20
C:</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache=20
=3D<BR>>500GB</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB=20
=
cache=3D20<BR>>500GB</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FO=
NT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-PCIe dual head=20
graphics</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-1 PCI UAD-1 =3D<BR>>card=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16=20
adat<BR>=3D<BR>>in/out,=3D20<BR>>MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog=20
in/out</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>- Frontier Tranzport=20
USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>-Wireless Mouse keyboard=20
=3D<BR>>USB</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>- Cubase dongle=20
USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>-backup audio drive=20
=
USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV> <BR>><DIV><FON=
T=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCIe slot=20
available</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>-1 PCI slots=20
=
=3D<BR>>available</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog =
=3D<BR>>in/out=20
=
1spdif=3D20<BR> >in/out))</FONT></DIV>&am p;lt;/DIV> <BR>>&=
lt;DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Here's what I=20
need:</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>24 x A to D - D =3D<BR>>to =
A=3D20<BR>>in/out. 96k at least=20
probably PCIe =
compatible.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thinking of the future=20
=3D<BR>>here.</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at=20
=
$1400<BR>=3D<BR>>or=3D20<BR>>less</FONT></DIV> <BR>>&=
lt;DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www'=
>http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www</A>.=
=3D<BR> >motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</A& amp;gt;</FONT&g=
t;</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Already owning a Scope card leads me=20
to<BR>=3D<BR>>this but=3D20<BR>>not enough=20
ins</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>and I think I will need a Z link =3D<BR>>attached =
to=3D20<BR>>my=20
card. $1150 with Z =
link.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www=
'>http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www</A=
>=3D<BR> >.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</ A></FON=
T></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Are there any other contenders? =
=3D<BR>>I'm=20
not=3D20<BR>>finding=20
anything.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Thanks for your insite and all the=20
=
=3D<BR>>previous=3D20<BR>>help.</FONT></DIV> <BR>><=
;DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV&g t; <BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
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face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
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face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
spam,=20
=
=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20 <BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
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EK Sound
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I will echo the RME suggestion... just plain works, and sounds great.
David.
Neil wrote:
> OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE
> these! lol
>
> OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has gone
> belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear you're
> talking about, but I can tell you something affordable AND
> high-quality, and that's basically my i/o rig which is as
> follows:
>
> 2x RME Multifaces - these are fucking clean as hell and if you
> don't like the sound of the convertors, then you're not really
> looking for "pristine", I can tellya that. Pick 'em up used or
> new, they're out there in both worlds. I would recommend buying
> new PCI cards, since there are probably some older ones that
> have a power mod issue if you buy them used.
>
> *** Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's & either
> 12 or 20 digital in's, total - depending on your
> samplerate. Outs are the same #'s as above.
> *** These are PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based, which
> means, as far as I can tell, a more solid, more reliable
> throughput in terms of bandwidth... guys here like Chris
> L., Chuck, or Dedric, etc. can give you more technical
> data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can tell
> you I've tracked 21/22 channels (basic trax plus scratch
> vox, etc, etc) of a band at a time on a weaker computer
> than the setup you listed without a glitch. You mention
> #'s of inputs needed as a concern, so I thought I'd
> mention this.
> *** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card option.
> They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp with
> an ass-kickin' digicard with a softlimit feature that
> sounds great on certain things like bass, kick & snare. I
> bring this unit up because it enables more channels of
> input, in this case you can go lightpipe at up to 96k
> into the Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp, too.
> Even if you're not looking for preamps per se', if you're
> starting a new build it's an affordable interface that you
> really should consider... the 428 also gives you an extra
> 4 channels of external analog i/o when you get the
> digicard option! You can pick these up used for in the
> $1600 range WITH the card if you look around a bit.
> *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean, but
> the key is it's got lightpipe out, so again, you're
> adding to your i/o capacity here. The pres sound pretty
> good, with nice headroom, and it's convenient to lightpipe
> out to your 2nd Multiface, especially for things like
> toms or a secondary bass channel that you don't need to
> monitor directly, but do want to send to tape... errr..
> DISK!
>
> Honestly this setup works great for me - it's not as
> sophisticated as a big MADI rig, and it might not be quite as
> high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn it works really
> well, and it sounds pretty farkin' good!
>
> You're looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,
> to about $4,500 if you have to buy it all new.
>
> Neil
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Tom Bruhl
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Dave,
I am leaning in this direction but PCI slots are scarce.=20
There's no way to get two audio card's (RME and Scope)ins/outs
to show up in Cubase and work together?
Tom
"EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:471e2d67@linux...
I will echo the RME suggestion... just plain works, and sounds great.
David.
Neil wrote:
> OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE
> these! lol
>=20
> OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has gone
> belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear you're
> talking about, but I can tell you something affordable AND
> high-quality, and that's basically my i/o rig which is as
> follows:
>=20
> 2x RME Multifaces - these are fucking clean as hell and if you
> don't like the sound of the convertors, then you're not really
> looking for "pristine", I can tellya that. Pick 'em up used or
> new, they're out there in both worlds. I would recommend buying
> new PCI cards, since there are probably some older ones that
> have a power mod issue if you buy them used.
> =20
> *** Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's & either
> 12 or 20 digital in's, total - depending on your
> samplerate. Outs are the same #'s as above.
> *** These are PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based, which
> means, as far as I can tell, a more solid, more reliable
> throughput in terms of bandwidth... guys here like Chris
> L., Chuck, or Dedric, etc. can give you more technical
> data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can tell
> you I've tracked 21/22 channels (basic trax plus scratch
> vox, etc, etc) of a band at a time on a weaker computer
> than the setup you listed without a glitch. You mention
> #'s of inputs needed as a concern, so I thought I'd
> mention this.
> *** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card option.
> They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp with
> an ass-kickin' digicard with a softlimit feature that
> sounds great on certain things like bass, kick & snare. I
> bring this unit up because it enables more channels of
> input, in this case you can go lightpipe at up to 96k
> into the Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp, too.
> Even if you're not looking for preamps per se', if you're
> starting a new build it's an affordable interface that you
> really should consider... the 428 also gives you an extra
> 4 channels of external analog i/o when you get the
> digicard option! You can pick these up used for in the
> $1600 range WITH the card if you look around a bit.
> *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean, but
> the key is it's got lightpipe out, so again, you're
> adding to your i/o capacity here. The pres sound pretty
> good, with nice headroom, and it's convenient to lightpipe
> out to your 2nd Multiface, especially for things like
> toms or a secondary bass channel that you don't need to
> monitor directly, but do want to send to tape... errr..
> DISK!=20
>=20
> Honestly this setup works great for me - it's not as
> sophisticated as a big MADI rig, and it might not be quite as
> high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn it works really=20
> well, and it sounds pretty farkin' good!
>=20
> You're looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,
> to about $4,500 if you have to buy it all new.
>=20
> Neil
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wrote:<BR><BR>> OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread =
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LOVE<BR>> these! lol<BR>> <BR>> OK, but in all=20
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| Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Helpme buy stuff. [message #91836 is a reply to message #91834] |
Tue, 23 October 2007 10:32 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
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You can use multiple RME cards as long as they use the same driver...
but different brands, no. You could run an RME HDSP9652 and an HDSP PCI
(host for Multiface) together because they use the same driver.
The PCI/Multiface option is a good one, because you could get 2 PCI
cards and 4 Multifaces'. Run 2 of the Multifaces' connected directly to
the PCI card, and run the other 2 in stand alone mode connected to the
adat optical input of the first 2. Note, this would limit you to 48K on
all 32 inputs, or 96K with the 16 MF inputs for the units connected
directly to the PCI cards.
Clear as mud? ;-)
David.
Tom Bruhl wrote:
> Dave,
> I am leaning in this direction but PCI slots are scarce.
>
> There's no way to get two audio card's (RME and Scope)ins/outs
> to show up in Cubase and work together?
>
> Tom
>
> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net <mailto:ask_me@nospam.net>> wrote in
> message news:471e2d67@linux...
> I will echo the RME suggestion... just plain works, and sounds great.
>
> David.
>
> Neil wrote:
>
> > OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE
> > these! lol
> >
> > OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has gone
> > belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear you're
> > talking about, but I can tell you something affordable AND
> > high-quality, and that's basically my i/o rig which is as
> > follows:
> >
> > 2x RME Multifaces - these are fucking clean as hell and if you
> > don't like the sound of the convertors, then you're not really
> > looking for "pristine", I can tellya that. Pick 'em up used or
> > new, they're out there in both worlds. I would recommend buying
> > new PCI cards, since there are probably some older ones that
> > have a power mod issue if you buy them used.
> >
> > *** Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's & either
> > 12 or 20 digital in's, total - depending on your
> > samplerate. Outs are the same #'s as above.
> > *** These are PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based, which
> > means, as far as I can tell, a more solid, more reliable
> > throughput in terms of bandwidth... guys here like Chris
> > L., Chuck, or Dedric, etc. can give you more technical
> > data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can tell
> > you I've tracked 21/22 channels (basic trax plus scratch
> > vox, etc, etc) of a band at a time on a weaker computer
> > than the setup you listed without a glitch. You mention
> > #'s of inputs needed as a concern, so I thought I'd
> > mention this.
> > *** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card option.
> > They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp with
> > an ass-kickin' digicard with a softlimit feature that
> > sounds great on certain things like bass, kick & snare. I
> > bring this unit up because it enables more channels of
> > input, in this case you can go lightpipe at up to 96k
> > into the Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp, too.
> > Even if you're not looking for preamps per se', if you're
> > starting a new build it's an affordable interface that you
> > really should consider... the 428 also gives you an extra
> > 4 channels of external analog i/o when you get the
> > digicard option! You can pick these up used for in the
> > $1600 range WITH the card if you look around a bit.
> > *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean, but
> > the key is it's got lightpipe out, so again, you're
> > adding to your i/o capacity here. The pres sound pretty
> > good, with nice headroom, and it's convenient to lightpipe
> > out to your 2nd Multiface, especially for things like
> > toms or a secondary bass channel that you don't need to
> > monitor directly, but do want to send to tape... errr..
> > DISK!
> >
> > Honestly this setup works great for me - it's not as
> > sophisticated as a big MADI rig, and it might not be quite as
> > high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn it works really
> > well, and it sounds pretty farkin' good!
> >
> > You're looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,
> > to about $4,500 if you have to buy it all new.
> >
> > Neil
>
>
>
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| Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Help me buy stuff. [message #91842 is a reply to message #91800] |
Tue, 23 October 2007 11:08 |
LaMont
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Hi Tom,
As for the sound quality of the Motu 24/io is fabulous. Don;t let price fool
you into thinking it's inferior. It's not. The 24/io has massive headroom.
Coupled with the PCI-424 card. A very warm, tight focused sound..
As for the Cue mix setup. We did not use, as we had a Mackie 3208 to do all
of the outboard routing. Sorry.
if you read mypost(s), i'm not a fan of software mixers.Except( Paris & Pro-Tools).
Too much, not like a real studio feel to those soft-mixers.. However, I do
know that Motu's Cue mix is a lot easier than RmE's
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Hi LaMont,
>How would you say the converters in the Motu stack up to
>Aurora, Apogee and PreSonus? I'd guess closer to PreSonus
>than the others right? they're priced similarly.
>
>The Mackie mixer footprint is about the last thing I want in the
>studio these days. I don't need the pres either. Won't the software
>mixers get my cue mixes going ok without latency? Remember I'll
>be using Cubase 4.0? and Scope 4.5 as the front end here.
>
>I'm still a little gray on the routing setups here but as I understand =
>it, the cue
>mixes are setup with these soft apps that give you a virtual mixer for =
>phones
>while tracking right? Real-time effects are coming from outboard gear =
>only unless
>you have a screaming machine right? This is possible or do I 'have to =
>have'
>a hardware mixer to do the traditional basics or overdub session now?
>
>I look forward to your answer!
>Tom
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471d8058$1@linux...
>
> Hi Tom,=20
>
> You stole my choice, the Motu 24i/o. I've used this card and i/o =
>device with
> DP and Logic audio. To me, it's the best sound unit Motu makes and =
>it's been
> around since 2001.=20
>
> Can't say enough good things about it. The price is right. The analog
=
>i/o
> is more than right.=20
>
> Another choice would be to get a Mackie Oxyx 1640/with Firewire =
>option. With
> the 1640 you are killing several stones at once:
>
> http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1640/
> -16 very good mic pres that can hold it's own with a lot of top dollar
=
>so
> called boutique pres
>
> -Zero latency montioring!! (Hey It'sa true analog mixer)
>
> -Talk back=20
>
> -96kHz FireWire option for streaming 18 independent channels of audio
=
>to
> computer with near-zero latency .
>
> -Balanced direct outs for every channel via DB-25 connections=20
>
> -http://www.mackie.com/products/onyxfirewire/
>
> -Drivers for Windows and OSx
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >I learned tonight that I have fried two new Mecs again.
> >The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully can
> >fix the mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.
> >
> >I have what is probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed
> >now that there's a new PS but I'm not sure and don't care
> >anymore. It will be at least $300 to ship/repair.
> >I have possibly a messed up mobo or power supply=3D20
> >in my Paris computer also. It works fine without eds cards
> >installed though. Not sure about this just yet.
> >
> >The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 in another
> >computer.
> >
> >My plan is to keep a two card system with 16 in and 16 out with an
> >ADAT card in one MEC. I am there now. Can you say summing bus?
> >
> >I also need to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for
> >prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=3D20
> >after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least
> >that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my basics
> >sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my =
>heart=3D20
> >isn't in it for that much scratch. =3D20
> >
> >Heres my Cubase rig as is:
> >
> >-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)
> >-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)
> >-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone got that with =3D
> >instructions?
> >-7200 IDE C:
> >-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB
> >-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB
> >-PCIe dual head graphics
> >-1 PCI UAD-1 card=3D20
> >-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out,
=
>2 =3D
> >analog in/out
> >- Frontier Tranzport USB
> >-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB
> >- Cubase dongle USB
> >-backup audio drive USB
> >-1 PCIe slot available
> >-1 PCI slots available
> >( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))
> >
> >Here's what I need:
> >24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.
> >Thinking of the future here.
> >
> >Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less
> >http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html
> >
> >Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins
> >and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z =
>link.
> >http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/
> >
> >Are there any other contenders? I'm not finding anything.
> >
> >Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.
> >Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I learned tonight that I have =
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> >again.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The EDS cards are all good. I =
>=3D
> >hopefully=3D20
> >can</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>fix the mecs for resale with the
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> =3D
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> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have what is probably a messed
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> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>now that there's a new PS but =
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> >don't care</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>anymore. It will be at least =
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> >to=3D20
> >ship/repair.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have possibly a messed up mobo
=
>or =3D
> ></FONT><FONT=3D20
> >face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>power supply </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>in my Paris computer also. It =
>=3D
> >works fine=3D20
> >without eds cards</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>installed though. Not sure about
=
>=3D
> >this just=3D20
> >yet.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The eds cards work fine with =
>another =3D
> >Mec and 442 in=3D20
> >another</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>computer.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My plan is to keep a two card =
>system =3D
> >with 16=3D20
> >in and 16 out with an</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there
=
>=3D
> >now. =3D20
> >Can you say summing bus?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also need to up the analog ins
=
>in my
> =3D
> >Cubase rig=3D20
> >to get it ready for</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>prime time. I wanted the Aurora
=
>=3D
> >but that is=3D20
> >looking like $4,000 </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>after all is said and done. I =
>=3D
> >guess that the=3D20
> >Apogee is also at least</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>that much. Those are only 16 =3D
> >in/out. =3D20
> >Not quite enough for my basics</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>sessions sometimes. Both are too
=
>=3D
> >much me to=3D20
> >shell out and my heart </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>isn't in it </FONT><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial =3D
> >size=3D3D2>for that=3D20
> >much scratch. </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Heres my Cubase rig as =
>is:</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the
=
>=3D
> >box)</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-AMD 2.4 dually =
>(4.8)</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the =
>patch=3D20
> >yet) Anyone got that with=3D20
> >instructions?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 IDE C:</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache =3D
> >500GB</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB =
>cache=3D20
> >500GB</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-PCIe dual head =
>graphics</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCI UAD-1 =3D
> >card </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with =
>16 adat
> =3D
> >in/out,=3D20
> >MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog in/out</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>- Frontier Tranzport =
>USB</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-Wireless Mouse keyboard =3D
> >USB</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>- Cubase dongle USB</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-backup audio drive =
>USB</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCIe slot =
>available</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCI slots =3D
> >available</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>( Delta 66 not installed 4 =
>analog =3D
> >in/out 1spdif=3D20
> >in/out))</FONT></DIV></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Here's what I need:</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>24 x A to D - D =3D
> >to A=3D20
> >in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thinking of the future =3D
> >here.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at
=
>$1400
> =3D
> >or=3D20
> >less</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20
> =
>>href=3D3D"http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://w=
>ww.=3D
> >motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</A></FONT></DIV >
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Already owning a Scope card =
>leads me to
> =3D
> >this but=3D20
> >not enough ins</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>and I think I will need a Z link
=
>=3D
> >attached to=3D20
> >my card. $1150 with Z link.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20
> =
>>href=3D3D"http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://=
>www=3D
> >.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</A></FONT></DIV >
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Are there any other contenders?
=
>=3D
> >I'm not=3D20
> >finding anything.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks for your insite and all =
>the =3D
> >previous=3D20
> >help.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>spam, =3D
> >and=3D20
> >you?<BR><A=3D20
> =
>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
>fer=3D
> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >
> >
>
>
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><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi LaMont,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How would you say the converters in the
=
>Motu stack=20
>up to</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aurora, Apogee and PreSonus? I'd =
>guess closer=20
>to PreSonus</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>than the others right? they're =
>priced=20
>similarly.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Mackie mixer footprint is about the
=
>last thing=20
>I want in the</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>studio these days. I don't =
>need the pres=20
>either. Won't the software</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mixers get my cue mixes going ok =
>without=20
>latency? Remember I'll</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>be using Cubase 4.0? and Scope =
>4.5=20
>as the front end here.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>I'm still a little gray on the =
>routing setups=20
>here but as I understand it, the cue</FONT></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>mixes are setup with these soft =
>apps that=20
>give you a virtual mixer for phones</FONT></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>while tracking right? =
>Real-time effects=20
>are coming from outboard gear only unless</FONT></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>you have a screaming machine=20
>right?</FONT><FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT> This =
>is possible or do I=20
>'have to have'</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a hardware mixer to do the =
>traditional basics=20
>or overdub session now?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I look forward to your =
>answer!</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"LaMont" <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:jjdpro@gmail.com">jjdpro@gmail.com</A>>=20
> wrote in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:471d8058$1@linux">news:471d8058$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Hi
=
>Tom,=20
> <BR><BR>You stole my choice, the Motu 24i/o. I've used this card and =
>i/o=20
> device with<BR>DP and Logic audio. To me, it's the best sound unit =
>Motu makes=20
> and it's been<BR>around since 2001. <BR><BR>Can't say enough good =
>things about=20
> it. The price is right. The analog i/o<BR>is more than right. =
><BR><BR>Another=20
> choice would be to get a Mackie Oxyx 1640/with Firewire option. =
>With<BR>the=20
> 1640 you are killing several stones at once:<BR><BR><A=20
> =
>href=3D"http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1640/">http://www.mackie.com/p=
>roducts/onyx1640/</A><BR>-16=20
> very good mic pres that can hold it's own with a lot of top dollar=20
> so<BR>called boutique pres<BR><BR>-Zero latency montioring!! (Hey =
>It'sa true=20
> analog mixer)<BR><BR>-Talk back <BR><BR>-96kHz FireWire option for =
>streaming=20
> 18 independent channels of audio to<BR>computer with near-zero latency
=
>
> .<BR><BR>-Balanced direct outs for every channel via DB-25 connections
=
>
> <BR><BR>-http://www.mackie.com/products/onyxfirewire/<BR><BR>-Drivers
=
>for=20
> Windows and OSx<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>I learned tonight that I have fried two =
>new Mecs=20
> again.<BR>>The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully =
>can<BR>>fix the=20
> mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.<BR>><BR>>I have what =
>is=20
> probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed<BR>>now that there's =
>a new PS=20
> but I'm not sure and don't care<BR>>anymore. It will be at =
>least $300=20
> to ship/repair.<BR>>I have possibly a messed up mobo or power=20
> supply=3D20<BR>>in my Paris computer also. It works fine =
>without eds=20
> cards<BR>>installed though. Not sure about this just=20
> yet.<BR>><BR>>The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 =
>in=20
> another<BR>>computer.<BR>><BR>>My plan is to keep a two card =
>system=20
> with 16 in and 16 out with an<BR>>ADAT card in one MEC. I am =
>there=20
> now. Can you say summing bus?<BR>><BR>>I also need to up =
>the=20
> analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for<BR>>prime =
>time. I=20
> wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=3D20<BR>>after =
>all is said=20
> and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least<BR>>that=20
> much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my=20
> basics<BR>>sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell =
>out and=20
> my heart=3D20<BR>>isn't in it for that much scratch. =
>=3D20<BR>><BR>>Heres=20
> my Cubase rig as is:<BR>><BR>>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the=20
> box)<BR>>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)<BR>>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the =
>patch=20
> yet) Anyone got that with=20
> =3D<BR>>instructions?<BR>>-7200 IDE C:<BR>>-7200 SATA Audio =
>16MB Cache=20
> 500GB<BR>>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB<BR>>-PCIe dual =
>head=20
> graphics<BR>>-1 PCI UAD-1 card=3D20<BR>>-1x PCI Scope Pro =
>Classic with 16=20
> adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 =3D<BR>>analog in/out<BR>>- =
>Frontier=20
> Tranzport USB<BR>>-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB<BR>>- Cubase =
>dongle=20
> USB<BR>>-backup audio drive USB<BR>>-1 PCIe slot =
>available<BR>>-1 PCI=20
> slots available<BR>>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif =
>
> in/out))<BR>><BR>>Here's what I need:<BR>>24 x A to D - D to =
>A=20
> in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.<BR>>Thinking =
>of the=20
> future here.<BR>><BR>>Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or=20
> =
>less<BR>>http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html<BR>><=
>BR>>Already=20
> owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins<BR>>and I =
>think I=20
> will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z=20
> =
>link.<BR>>http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/<BR>>=
>;<BR>>Are=20
> there any other contenders? I'm not finding=20
> anything.<BR>><BR>>Thanks for your insite and all the previous=20
> =
>help.<BR>>Tom<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><=
>BR>>I=20
> choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and=20
> you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=20
> http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
> =3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
> 6.00.2800.1400"=20
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>name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=
>D><BR>><BODY=20
> bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>size=3D3D2>I=20
> learned tonight that I have fried two<BR>=3D<BR>>new=20
> =
>Mecs=3D20<BR>>again.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FO=
>NT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The EDS cards are all good. I=20
> =
>=3D<BR>>hopefully=3D20<BR>>can</FONT></DIV><BR>><=
>DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>fix the mecs for resale with the=20
> =
>chips<BR>=3D<BR>>I've=3D20<BR>>bought.</FONT></DIV> <BR>=
>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have what is probably a messed up =
>=3D<BR>>Magma.=20
> =3D20<BR>>Maybe =
>fixed</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>now that there's a new PS but I'm not =
>=3D<BR>>sure=20
> and=3D20<BR>>don't =
>care</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>anymore. It will be at least $300=20
> =
>=3D<BR>>to=3D20<BR>>ship/repair.</FONT></DIV><BR>>&l=
>t;DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have possibly a messed up mobo or=20
> =3D<BR>></FONT><FONT=3D20<BR>>face=3D3DArial =
>size=3D3D2>power supply=20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>in my Paris computer also. It =3D<BR>>works=20
> fine=3D20<BR>>without eds=20
> cards</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>installed though. Not sure about =3D<BR>>this=20
> =
>just=3D20<BR>>yet.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=
>=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The eds cards work fine with another =
>=3D<BR>>Mec and=20
> 442 =
>in=3D20<BR>>another</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FON=
>T=20
> face=3D3DArial=20
> =
>size=3D3D2>computer.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FO=
>NT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My plan is to keep a two card system =
>=3D<BR>>with=20
> 16=3D20<BR>>in and 16 out with=20
> an</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there =3D<BR>>now. =
>=3D20<BR>>Can you=20
> say summing bus?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also need to up the analog ins in=20
> my<BR>=3D<BR>>Cubase rig=3D20<BR>>to get it ready=20
> for</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>
> size=3D3D2>prime time. I wanted the Aurora =3D<BR>>but that=20
> is=3D20<BR>>looking like $4,000=20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>after all is said and done. I =3D<BR>>guess that=20
> the=3D20<BR>>Apogee is also at=20
> least</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>that much. Those are only 16 =3D<BR>>in/out. =
>=3D20<BR>>Not quite=20
> enough for my =
>basics</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>sessions sometimes. Both are too =
>=3D<BR>>much me=20
> to=3D20<BR>>shell out and my heart=20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>isn't in it </FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> =3D<BR>>size=3D3D2>for that=3D20<BR>>much scratch.=20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>Heres my Cubase rig as=20
> is:</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>
> size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the=20
> =3D<BR>>box)</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>-AMD 2.4 dually=20
> (4.8)</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch=3D20<BR>>yet) Anyone =
>got that=20
> =
>with=3D20<BR>>instructions?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV>=
>;<FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 IDE=20
> C:</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache=20
> =3D<BR>>500GB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB=20
> =
>cache=3D20<BR>>500GB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FO=
>NT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-PCIe dual head=20
> graphics</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>-1 PCI UAD-1 =3D<BR>>card=20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16=20
> adat<BR>=3D<BR>>in/out,=3D20<BR>>MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog=20
> in/out</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>- Frontier Tranzport=20
> USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>
> size=3D3D2>-Wireless Mouse keyboard=20
> =3D<BR>>USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>- Cubase dongle=20
> USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>
> size=3D3D2>-backup audio drive=20
> =
>USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><BR>><DIV><FON=
>T=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCIe slot=20
> available</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>-1 PCI slots=20
> =
>=3D<BR>>available</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog =
>=3D<BR>>in/out=20
> =
>1spdif=3D20<BR>>in/out))</FONT></DIV></DIV><BR>>&=
>lt;DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Here's what I=20
> need:</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>24 x A to D - D =3D<BR>>to A=3D20<BR>>in/out. 96k =
>at least=20
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> =3D<BR>>here.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
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> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at=20
> =
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>lt;DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www'=
>>http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www</A>.=
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> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
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> to<BR>=3D<BR>>this but=3D20<BR>>not enough=20
> ins</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
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> size=3D3D2>and I think I will need a Z link =3D<BR>>attached =
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> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www=
>'>http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www</A=
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Tue, 23 October 2007 11:10 |
Tom Bruhl
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That makes sense to me. Odd huh?
If the stand alones are just that I could spend
bigger money and get Apogees instead right?
Waste of $ for me probably.
"EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message =
news:471e31b1$1@linux...
You can use multiple RME cards as long as they use the same driver...=20
but different brands, no. You could run an RME HDSP9652 and an HDSP =
PCI=20
(host for Multiface) together because they use the same driver.
The PCI/Multiface option is a good one, because you could get 2 PCI=20
cards and 4 Multifaces'. Run 2 of the Multifaces' connected directly =
to=20
the PCI card, and run the other 2 in stand alone mode connected to the =
adat optical input of the first 2. Note, this would limit you to 48K =
on=20
all 32 inputs, or 96K with the 16 MF inputs for the units connected=20
directly to the PCI cards.
Clear as mud? ;-)
David.
Tom Bruhl wrote:
> Dave,
> I am leaning in this direction but PCI slots are scarce.=20
> =20
> There's no way to get two audio card's (RME and Scope)ins/outs
> to show up in Cubase and work together?
> =20
> Tom
>=20
> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net <mailto:ask_me@nospam.net>> wrote =
in
> message news:471e2d67@linux...
> I will echo the RME suggestion... just plain works, and sounds =
great.
>=20
> David.
>=20
> Neil wrote:
>=20
> > OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE
> > these! lol
> >
> > OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has =
gone
> > belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear you're
> > talking about, but I can tell you something affordable AND
> > high-quality, and that's basically my i/o rig which is as
> > follows:
> >
> > 2x RME Multifaces - these are fucking clean as hell and if =
you
> > don't like the sound of the convertors, then you're not =
really
> > looking for "pristine", I can tellya that. Pick 'em up used =
or
> > new, they're out there in both worlds. I would recommend =
buying
> > new PCI cards, since there are probably some older ones that
> > have a power mod issue if you buy them used.
> >=20
> > *** Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's & either
> > 12 or 20 digital in's, total - depending on your
> > samplerate. Outs are the same #'s as above.
> > *** These are PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based, which
> > means, as far as I can tell, a more solid, more =
reliable
> > throughput in terms of bandwidth... guys here like =
Chris
> > L., Chuck, or Dedric, etc. can give you more technical
> > data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can =
tell
> > you I've tracked 21/22 channels (basic trax plus =
scratch
> > vox, etc, etc) of a band at a time on a weaker computer
> > than the setup you listed without a glitch. You mention
> > #'s of inputs needed as a concern, so I thought I'd
> > mention this.
> > *** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card =
option.
> > They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp with
> > an ass-kickin' digicard with a softlimit feature that
> > sounds great on certain things like bass, kick & snare. =
I
> > bring this unit up because it enables more channels of
> > input, in this case you can go lightpipe at up to 96k
> > into the Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp, too.
> > Even if you're not looking for preamps per se', if =
you're
> > starting a new build it's an affordable interface that =
you
> > really should consider... the 428 also gives you an =
extra
> > 4 channels of external analog i/o when you get the
> > digicard option! You can pick these up used for in the
> > $1600 range WITH the card if you look around a bit.
> > *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean, =
but
> > the key is it's got lightpipe out, so again, you're
> > adding to your i/o capacity here. The pres sound pretty
> > good, with nice headroom, and it's convenient to =
lightpipe
> > out to your 2nd Multiface, especially for things like
> > toms or a secondary bass channel that you don't need to
> > monitor directly, but do want to send to tape... errr..
> > DISK!
> >
> > Honestly this setup works great for me - it's not as
> > sophisticated as a big MADI rig, and it might not be quite as
> > high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn it works really
> > well, and it sounds pretty farkin' good!
> >
> > You're looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,
> > to about $4,500 if you have to buy it all new.
> >
> > Neil
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That makes sense to me. Odd =
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can use=20
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different=20
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am=20
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<BR>>=20
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<BR>> David.<BR>>=20
<BR>> Neil wrote:<BR>>=20
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| Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Helpme buy stuff. [message #91850 is a reply to message #91847] |
Tue, 23 October 2007 11:29 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
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I would say you *might* hear a difference... but probably not worth the
extra stash. For that matter, you could use any line level to adat
converter box for different flavour... Focusrite, Presonus, etc.
David.
Tom Bruhl wrote:
> That makes sense to me. Odd huh?
>
> If the stand alones are just that I could spend
> bigger money and get Apogees instead right?
> Waste of $ for me probably.
>
>
> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net <mailto:ask_me@nospam.net>> wrote in
> message news:471e31b1$1@linux...
> You can use multiple RME cards as long as they use the same driver...
> but different brands, no. You could run an RME HDSP9652 and an HDSP
> PCI
> (host for Multiface) together because they use the same driver.
>
> The PCI/Multiface option is a good one, because you could get 2 PCI
> cards and 4 Multifaces'. Run 2 of the Multifaces' connected
> directly to
> the PCI card, and run the other 2 in stand alone mode connected to the
> adat optical input of the first 2. Note, this would limit you to
> 48K on
> all 32 inputs, or 96K with the 16 MF inputs for the units connected
> directly to the PCI cards.
>
> Clear as mud? ;-)
>
> David.
>
> Tom Bruhl wrote:
>
> > Dave,
> > I am leaning in this direction but PCI slots are scarce.
> >
> > There's no way to get two audio card's (RME and Scope)ins/outs
> > to show up in Cubase and work together?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net <mailto:ask_me@nospam.net>
> <mailto:ask_me@nospam.net>> wrote in
> > message news:471e2d67@linux...
> > I will echo the RME suggestion... just plain works, and
> sounds great.
> >
> > David.
> >
> > Neil wrote:
> >
> > > OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE
> > > these! lol
> > >
> > > OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has gone
> > > belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear you're
> > > talking about, but I can tell you something affordable AND
> > > high-quality, and that's basically my i/o rig which is as
> > > follows:
> > >
> > > 2x RME Multifaces - these are fucking clean as hell and if you
> > > don't like the sound of the convertors, then you're not really
> > > looking for "pristine", I can tellya that. Pick 'em up used or
> > > new, they're out there in both worlds. I would recommend
> buying
> > > new PCI cards, since there are probably some older ones that
> > > have a power mod issue if you buy them used.
> > >
> > > *** Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's & either
> > > 12 or 20 digital in's, total - depending on your
> > > samplerate. Outs are the same #'s as above.
> > > *** These are PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based, which
> > > means, as far as I can tell, a more solid, more reliable
> > > throughput in terms of bandwidth... guys here like Chris
> > > L., Chuck, or Dedric, etc. can give you more technical
> > > data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I
> can tell
> > > you I've tracked 21/22 channels (basic trax plus scratch
> > > vox, etc, etc) of a band at a time on a weaker computer
> > > than the setup you listed without a glitch. You mention
> > > #'s of inputs needed as a concern, so I thought I'd
> > > mention this.
> > > *** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card
> option.
> > > They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp with
> > > an ass-kickin' digicard with a softlimit feature that
> > > sounds great on certain things like bass, kick &
> snare. I
> > > bring this unit up because it enables more channels of
> > > input, in this case you can go lightpipe at up to 96k
> > > into the Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp, too.
> > > Even if you're not looking for preamps per se', if
> you're
> > > starting a new build it's an affordable interface
> that you
> > > really should consider... the 428 also gives you an
> extra
> > > 4 channels of external analog i/o when you get the
> > > digicard option! You can pick these up used for in the
> > > $1600 range WITH the card if you look around a bit.
> > > *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean, but
> > > the key is it's got lightpipe out, so again, you're
> > > adding to your i/o capacity here. The pres sound pretty
> > > good, with nice headroom, and it's convenient to
> lightpipe
> > > out to your 2nd Multiface, especially for things like
> > > toms or a secondary bass channel that you don't need to
> > > monitor directly, but do want to send to tape... errr..
> > > DISK!
> > >
> > > Honestly this setup works great for me - it's not as
> > > sophisticated as a big MADI rig, and it might not be quite as
> > > high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn it works really
> > > well, and it sounds pretty farkin' good!
> > >
> > > You're looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,
> > > to about $4,500 if you have to buy it all new.
> > >
> > > Neil
> >
> >
> >
> > I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> > http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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| Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Help me buy stuff. [message #91852 is a reply to message #91842] |
Tue, 23 October 2007 11:55 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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I will note that the RME app is EXTREMELY easy to use and logical once one
knows how to use it. It's like UNIX v. Windows. Windows is easy to learn
and a pain to use, while UNIX is a pain to learn but incredibly easy to use.
The RME mixer takes a little while to figure out but is extremely easy to
use and very powerful.
TCB
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hi Tom,
>
>As for the sound quality of the Motu 24/io is fabulous. Don;t let price
fool
>you into thinking it's inferior. It's not. The 24/io has massive headroom.
>Coupled with the PCI-424 card. A very warm, tight focused sound..
>
>As for the Cue mix setup. We did not use, as we had a Mackie 3208 to do
all
>of the outboard routing. Sorry.
>
>if you read mypost(s), i'm not a fan of software mixers.Except( Paris &
Pro-Tools).
>Too much, not like a real studio feel to those soft-mixers.. However, I
do
>know that Motu's Cue mix is a lot easier than RmE's
>
>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hi LaMont,
>>How would you say the converters in the Motu stack up to
>>Aurora, Apogee and PreSonus? I'd guess closer to PreSonus
>>than the others right? they're priced similarly.
>>
>>The Mackie mixer footprint is about the last thing I want in the
>>studio these days. I don't need the pres either. Won't the software
>>mixers get my cue mixes going ok without latency? Remember I'll
>>be using Cubase 4.0? and Scope 4.5 as the front end here.
>>
>>I'm still a little gray on the routing setups here but as I understand
=
>>it, the cue
>>mixes are setup with these soft apps that give you a virtual mixer for
=
>>phones
>>while tracking right? Real-time effects are coming from outboard gear
=
>>only unless
>>you have a screaming machine right? This is possible or do I 'have to
=
>>have'
>>a hardware mixer to do the traditional basics or overdub session now?
>>
>>I look forward to your answer!
>>Tom
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471d8058$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi Tom,=20
>>
>> You stole my choice, the Motu 24i/o. I've used this card and i/o =
>>device with
>> DP and Logic audio. To me, it's the best sound unit Motu makes and =
>>it's been
>> around since 2001.=20
>>
>> Can't say enough good things about it. The price is right. The analog
>=
>>i/o
>> is more than right.=20
>>
>> Another choice would be to get a Mackie Oxyx 1640/with Firewire =
>>option. With
>> the 1640 you are killing several stones at once:
>>
>> http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1640/
>> -16 very good mic pres that can hold it's own with a lot of top dollar
>=
>>so
>> called boutique pres
>>
>> -Zero latency montioring!! (Hey It'sa true analog mixer)
>>
>> -Talk back=20
>>
>> -96kHz FireWire option for streaming 18 independent channels of audio
>=
>>to
>> computer with near-zero latency .
>>
>> -Balanced direct outs for every channel via DB-25 connections=20
>>
>> -http://www.mackie.com/products/onyxfirewire/
>>
>> -Drivers for Windows and OSx
>>
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >I learned tonight that I have fried two new Mecs again.
>> >The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully can
>> >fix the mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.
>> >
>> >I have what is probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed
>> >now that there's a new PS but I'm not sure and don't care
>> >anymore. It will be at least $300 to ship/repair.
>> >I have possibly a messed up mobo or power supply=3D20
>> >in my Paris computer also. It works fine without eds cards
>> >installed though. Not sure about this just yet.
>> >
>> >The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 in another
>> >computer.
>> >
>> >My plan is to keep a two card system with 16 in and 16 out with an
>> >ADAT card in one MEC. I am there now. Can you say summing bus?
>> >
>> >I also need to up the analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for
>> >prime time. I wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=3D20
>> >after all is said and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least
>> >that much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my basics
>> >sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell out and my =
>>heart=3D20
>> >isn't in it for that much scratch. =3D20
>> >
>> >Heres my Cubase rig as is:
>> >
>> >-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the box)
>> >-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)
>> >-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch yet) Anyone got that with =3D
>> >instructions?
>> >-7200 IDE C:
>> >-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache 500GB
>> >-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB
>> >-PCIe dual head graphics
>> >-1 PCI UAD-1 card=3D20
>> >-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16 adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out,
>=
>>2 =3D
>> >analog in/out
>> >- Frontier Tranzport USB
>> >-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB
>> >- Cubase dongle USB
>> >-backup audio drive USB
>> >-1 PCIe slot available
>> >-1 PCI slots available
>> >( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif in/out))
>> >
>> >Here's what I need:
>> >24 x A to D - D to A in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.
>> >Thinking of the future here.
>> >
>> >Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or less
>> >http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html
>> >
>> >Already owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins
>> >and I think I will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z =
>>link.
>> >http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/
>> >
>> >Are there any other contenders? I'm not finding anything.
>> >
>> >Thanks for your insite and all the previous help.
>> >Tom
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>> >
>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>> ><HTML><HEAD>
>> ><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
>> >charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
>> ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
>> ><STYLE></STYLE>
>> ></HEAD>
>> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I learned tonight that I have =
>>fried two
>> =3D
>> >new Mecs=3D20
>> >again.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The EDS cards are all good. I =
>>=3D
>> >hopefully=3D20
>> >can</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>fix the mecs for resale with the
>=
>>chips
>> =3D
>> >I've=3D20
>> >bought.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have what is probably a messed
>=
>>up =3D
>> >Magma. =3D20
>> >Maybe fixed</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>now that there's a new PS but =
>>I'm not =3D
>> >sure and=3D20
>> >don't care</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>anymore. It will be at least =
>>$300 =3D
>> >to=3D20
>> >ship/repair.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have possibly a messed up mobo
>=
>>or =3D
>> ></FONT><FONT=3D20
>> >face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>power supply </FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>in my Paris computer also. It =
>>=3D
>> >works fine=3D20
>> >without eds cards</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>installed though. Not sure about
>=
>>=3D
>> >this just=3D20
>> >yet.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The eds cards work fine with =
>>another =3D
>> >Mec and 442 in=3D20
>> >another</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>computer.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My plan is to keep a two card =
>>system =3D
>> >with 16=3D20
>> >in and 16 out with an</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there
>=
>>=3D
>> >now. =3D20
>> >Can you say summing bus?</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also need to up the analog ins
>=
>>in my
>> =3D
>> >Cubase rig=3D20
>> >to get it ready for</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>prime time. I wanted the Aurora
>=
>>=3D
>> >but that is=3D20
>> >looking like $4,000 </FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>after all is said and done. I =
>>=3D
>> >guess that the=3D20
>> >Apogee is also at least</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>that much. Those are only 16 =3D
>> >in/out. =3D20
>> >Not quite enough for my basics</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>sessions sometimes. Both are too
>=
>>=3D
>> >much me to=3D20
>> >shell out and my heart </FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>isn't in it </FONT><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial =3D
>> >size=3D3D2>for that=3D20
>> >much scratch. </FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Heres my Cubase rig as =
>>is:</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the
>=
>>=3D
>> >box)</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-AMD 2.4 dually =
>>(4.8)</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the =
>>patch=3D20
>> >yet) Anyone got that with=3D20
>> >instructions?</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 IDE C:</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache =3D
>> >500GB</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB =
>>cache=3D20
>> >500GB</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-PCIe dual head =
>>graphics</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCI UAD-1 =3D
>> >card </FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with
=
>>16 adat
>> =3D
>> >in/out,=3D20
>> >MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog in/out</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>- Frontier Tranzport =
>>USB</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-Wireless Mouse keyboard =3D
>> >USB</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>- Cubase dongle USB</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-backup audio drive =
>>USB</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCIe slot =
>>available</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCI slots =3D
>> >available</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>( Delta 66 not installed 4 =
>>analog =3D
>> >in/out 1spdif=3D20
>> >in/out))</FONT></DIV></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Here's what I need:</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>24 x A to D - D =3D
>> >to A=3D20
>> >in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thinking of the future =3D
>> >here.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at
>=
>>$1400
>> =3D
>> >or=3D20
>> >less</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20
>> =
>>>href=3D3D"http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://w=
>>ww.=3D
>> >motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</A></FONT></DIV >
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Already owning a Scope card =
>>leads me to
>> =3D
>> >this but=3D20
>> >not enough ins</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>and I think I will need a Z link
>=
>>=3D
>> >attached to=3D20
>> >my card. $1150 with Z link.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20
>> =
>>>href=3D3D"http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://=
>>www=3D
>> >.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</A></FONT></DIV >
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Are there any other contenders?
>=
>>=3D
>> >I'm not=3D20
>> >finding anything.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks for your insite and all
=
>>the =3D
>> >previous=3D20
>> >help.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>>spam, =3D
>> >and=3D20
>> >you?<BR><A=3D20
>> =
>>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
>>fer=3D
>> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>><HTML><HEAD>
>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>><STYLE></STYLE>
>></HEAD>
>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi LaMont,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How would you say the converters in the
>=
>>Motu stack=20
>>up to</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aurora, Apogee and PreSonus? I'd =
>>guess closer=20
>>to PreSonus</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>than the others right? they're =
>>priced=20
>>similarly.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Mackie mixer footprint is about the
>=
>>last thing=20
>>I want in the</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>studio these days. I don't =
>>need the pres=20
>>either. Won't the software</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mixers get my cue mixes going ok =
>>without=20
>>latency? Remember I'll</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>be using Cubase 4.0? and Scope =
>>4.5=20
>>as the front end here.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>I'm still a little gray on the =
>>routing setups=20
>>here but as I understand it, the cue</FONT></FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>mixes are setup with these soft
=
>>apps that=20
>>give you a virtual mixer for phones</FONT></FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>while tracking right? =
>>Real-time effects=20
>>are coming from outboard gear only unless</FONT></FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2>you have a screaming machine=20
>>right?</FONT><FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT> This =
>>is possible or do I=20
>>'have to have'</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a hardware mixer to do the =
>>traditional basics=20
>>or overdub session now?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I look forward to your =
>>answer!</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"LaMont" <<A =
>>href=3D"mailto:jjdpro@gmail.com">jjdpro@gmail.com</A>>=20
>> wrote in message <A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"news:471d8058$1@linux">news:471d8058$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Hi
>=
>>Tom,=20
>> <BR><BR>You stole my choice, the Motu 24i/o. I've used this card and
=
>>i/o=20
>> device with<BR>DP and Logic audio. To me, it's the best sound unit =
>>Motu makes=20
>> and it's been<BR>around since 2001. <BR><BR>Can't say enough good =
>>things about=20
>> it. The price is right. The analog i/o<BR>is more than right. =
>><BR><BR>Another=20
>> choice would be to get a Mackie Oxyx 1640/with Firewire option. =
>>With<BR>the=20
>> 1640 you are killing several stones at once:<BR><BR><A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1640/">http://www.mackie.com/p=
>>roducts/onyx1640/</A><BR>-16=20
>> very good mic pres that can hold it's own with a lot of top dollar=20
>> so<BR>called boutique pres<BR><BR>-Zero latency montioring!! (Hey =
>>It'sa true=20
>> analog mixer)<BR><BR>-Talk back <BR><BR>-96kHz FireWire option for =
>>streaming=20
>> 18 independent channels of audio to<BR>computer with near-zero latency
>=
>>
>> .<BR><BR>-Balanced direct outs for every channel via DB-25 connections
>=
>>
>> <BR><BR>-http://www.mackie.com/products/onyxfirewire/<BR><BR>-Drivers
>=
>>for=20
>> Windows and OSx<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>I learned tonight that I have fried two =
>>new Mecs=20
>> again.<BR>>The EDS cards are all good. I hopefully =
>>can<BR>>fix the=20
>> mecs for resale with the chips I've bought.<BR>><BR>>I have what =
>>is=20
>> probably a messed up Magma. Maybe fixed<BR>>now that there's =
>>a new PS=20
>> but I'm not sure and don't care<BR>>anymore. It will be at =
>>least $300=20
>> to ship/repair.<BR>>I have possibly a messed up mobo or power=20
>> supply=3D20<BR>>in my Paris computer also. It works fine =
>>without eds=20
>> cards<BR>>installed though. Not sure about this just=20
>> yet.<BR>><BR>>The eds cards work fine with another Mec and 442 =
>>in=20
>> another<BR>>computer.<BR>><BR>>My plan is to keep a two card =
>>system=20
>> with 16 in and 16 out with an<BR>>ADAT card in one MEC. I am =
>>there=20
>> now. Can you say summing bus?<BR>><BR>>I also need to up =
>>the=20
>> analog ins in my Cubase rig to get it ready for<BR>>prime =
>>time. I=20
>> wanted the Aurora but that is looking like $4,000=3D20<BR>>after =
>>all is said=20
>> and done. I guess that the Apogee is also at least<BR>>that=20
>> much. Those are only 16 in/out. Not quite enough for my=20
>> basics<BR>>sessions sometimes. Both are too much me to shell =
>>out and=20
>> my heart=3D20<BR>>isn't in it for that much scratch. =
>>=3D20<BR>><BR>>Heres=20
>> my Cubase rig as is:<BR>><BR>>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the=20
>> box)<BR>>-AMD 2.4 dually (4.8)<BR>>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the =
>>patch=20
>> yet) Anyone got that with=20
>> =3D<BR>>instructions?<BR>>-7200 IDE C:<BR>>-7200 SATA Audio =
>>16MB Cache=20
>> 500GB<BR>>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB cache 500GB<BR>>-PCIe dual =
>>head=20
>> graphics<BR>>-1 PCI UAD-1 card=3D20<BR>>-1x PCI Scope Pro =
>>Classic with 16=20
>> adat in/out, MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 =3D<BR>>analog in/out<BR>>- =
>>Frontier=20
>> Tranzport USB<BR>>-Wireless Mouse keyboard USB<BR>>- Cubase =
>>dongle=20
>> USB<BR>>-backup audio drive USB<BR>>-1 PCIe slot =
>>available<BR>>-1 PCI=20
>> slots available<BR>>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog in/out 1spdif =
>>
>> in/out))<BR>><BR>>Here's what I need:<BR>>24 x A to D - D to =
>>A=20
>> in/out. 96k at least probably PCIe compatible.<BR>>Thinking =
>>of the=20
>> future here.<BR>><BR>>Features wise I like the Motu at $1400 or=20
>> =
>>less<BR>>http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html<BR>><=
>>BR>>Already=20
>> owning a Scope card leads me to this but not enough ins<BR>>and I =
>>think I=20
>> will need a Z link attached to my card. $1150 with Z=20
>> =
>>link.<BR>>http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/<BR>>=
>>;<BR>>Are=20
>> there any other contenders? I'm not finding=20
>> anything.<BR>><BR>>Thanks for your insite and all the previous=20
>> =
>>help.<BR>>Tom<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><=
>>BR>>I=20
>> choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and=20
>> you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
>> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=20
>> http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
>> =3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>>content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
>> 6.00.2800.1400"=20
>> =
>>name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=
>>D><BR>><BODY=20
>> bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>>size=3D3D2>I=20
>> learned tonight that I have fried two<BR>=3D<BR>>new=20
>> =
>>Mecs=3D20<BR>>again.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FO=
>>NT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The EDS cards are all good. I=20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>hopefully=3D20<BR>>can</FONT></DIV><BR>><=
>>DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>fix the mecs for resale with the=20
>> =
>>chips<BR>=3D<BR>>I've=3D20<BR>>bought.</FONT></DIV ><BR>=
>>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
>></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have what is probably a messed up =
>>=3D<BR>>Magma.=20
>> =3D20<BR>>Maybe =
>>fixed</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>now that there's a new PS but I'm not =
>>=3D<BR>>sure=20
>> and=3D20<BR>>don't =
>>care</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>anymore. It will be at least $300=20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>to=3D20<BR>>ship/repair.</FONT></DIV><BR>>&l=
>>t;DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have possibly a messed up mobo or=20
>> =3D<BR>></FONT><FONT=3D20<BR>>face=3D3DArial =
>>size=3D3D2>power supply=20
>> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>in my Paris computer also. It =3D<BR>>works=20
>> fine=3D20<BR>>without eds=20
>> cards</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>installed though. Not sure about =3D<BR>>this=20
>> =
>>just=3D20<BR>>yet.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=
>>=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
>></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The eds cards work fine with another =
>>=3D<BR>>Mec and=20
>> 442 =
>>in=3D20<BR>>another</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FON=
>>T=20
>> face=3D3DArial=20
>> =
>>size=3D3D2>computer.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FO=
>>NT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
>></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My plan is to keep a two card system =
>>=3D<BR>>with=20
>> 16=3D20<BR>>in and 16 out with=20
>> an</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>ADAT card in one MEC. I am there =3D<BR>>now. =
>>=3D20<BR>>Can you=20
>> say summing bus?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
>></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also need to up the analog ins in=20
>> my<BR>=3D<BR>>Cubase rig=3D20<BR>>to get it ready=20
>> for</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>>
>> size=3D3D2>prime time. I wanted the Aurora =3D<BR>>but that=20
>> is=3D20<BR>>looking like $4,000=20
>> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>after all is said and done. I =3D<BR>>guess that=20
>> the=3D20<BR>>Apogee is also at=20
>> least</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>that much. Those are only 16 =3D<BR>>in/out. =
>>=3D20<BR>>Not quite=20
>> enough for my =
>>basics</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>sessions sometimes. Both are too =
>>=3D<BR>>much me=20
>> to=3D20<BR>>shell out and my heart=20
>> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>isn't in it </FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>> =3D<BR>>size=3D3D2>for that=3D20<BR>>much scratch.=20
>> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>Heres my Cubase rig as=20
>> is:</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>>
>> size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>-Cubase 2.01 (4.0 sitting in the=20
>> =3D<BR>>box)</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>-AMD 2.4 dually=20
>> (4.8)</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>-3 GB Ram (haven't ran the patch=3D20<BR>>yet) Anyone =
>>got that=20
>> =
>>with=3D20<BR>>instructions?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV>=
>>;<FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 IDE=20
>> C:</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Audio 16MB Cache=20
>> =3D<BR>>500GB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-7200 SATA Sample sets 16MB=20
>> =
>>cache=3D20<BR>>500GB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FO=
>>NT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-PCIe dual head=20
>> graphics</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>-1 PCI UAD-1 =3D<BR>>card=20
>> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>-1x PCI Scope Pro Classic with 16=20
>> adat<BR>=3D<BR>>in/out,=3D20<BR>>MIDI, 1 SPDIF in/out, 2 analog=20
>> in/out</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>- Frontier Tranzport=20
>> USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>>
>> size=3D3D2>-Wireless Mouse keyboard=20
>> =3D<BR>>USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>- Cubase dongle=20
>> USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>>
>> size=3D3D2>-backup audio drive=20
>> =
>>USB</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><BR>><DIV><FON=
>>T=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>-1 PCIe slot=20
>> available</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>-1 PCI slots=20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>available</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>( Delta 66 not installed 4 analog =
>>=3D<BR>>in/out=20
>> =
>>1spdif=3D20<BR>>in/out))</FONT></DIV></DIV><BR>>&=
>>lt;DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
>></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Here's what I=20
>> need:</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>24 x A to D - D =3D<BR>>to A=3D20<BR>>in/out. 96k =
>>at least=20
>> probably PCIe =
>>compatible.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thinking of the future=20
>> =3D<BR>>here.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
>></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Features wise I like the Motu at=20
>> =
>>$1400<BR>=3D<BR>>or=3D20<BR>>less</FONT></DIV><BR >>&=
>>lt;DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www'=
>>>http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html">http://www</A>.=
>>=3D<BR>>motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/body.html</A></FONT&g=
>>t;</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
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>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Already owning a Scope card leads me=20
>> to<BR>=3D<BR>>this but=3D20<BR>>not enough=20
>> ins</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>>
>> size=3D3D2>and I think I will need a Z link =3D<BR>>attached =
>>to=3D20<BR>>my=20
>> card. $1150 with Z =
>>link.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www=
>>'>http://www.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/">http://www</A=
>>>=3D<BR>>.infinitevortex.com/creamware/io/a16-ultra/</A ></FON=
>>T></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
>></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Are there any other contenders? =
>>=3D<BR>>I'm=20
>> not=3D20<BR>>finding=20
>> anything.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>Thanks for your insite and all the=20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>previous=3D20<BR>>help.</FONT></DIV><BR>><=
>>;DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
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>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
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>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
>></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>>spam,=20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D "<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>>>=3D<BR>>.html</A>=20
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| Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Help me buy stuff. [message #91865 is a reply to message #91836] |
Tue, 23 October 2007 15:45 |
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"EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:471e31b1$1@linux...
> You can use multiple RME cards as long as they use the same driver... but
> different brands, no. You could run an RME HDSP9652 and an HDSP PCI (host
> for Multiface) together because they use the same driver.
>
> The PCI/Multiface option is a good one, because you could get 2 PCI cards
> and 4 Multifaces'. Run 2 of the Multifaces' connected directly to the PCI
> card, and run the other 2 in stand alone mode connected to the adat
> optical input of the first 2. Note, this would limit you to 48K on all 32
> inputs, or 96K with the 16 MF inputs for the units connected directly to
> the PCI cards.
>
> Clear as mud? ;-)
>
> David.
In 96k mode, he would have an additional 4 x I/O on each standalone MF box
if they were interfaced by ADAT as well (they would just halve the I/O) so
he would have a total of 24 I/O ar 96K. He just wouldn't have the active
S/Pdif, sync or midi functionality on those two standalone boxes.
Right?
>
> Tom Bruhl wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>> I am leaning in this direction but PCI slots are scarce. There's no way
>> to get two audio card's (RME and Scope)ins/outs
>> to show up in Cubase and work together?
>> Tom
>>
>> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net <mailto:ask_me@nospam.net>> wrote in
>> message news:471e2d67@linux...
>> I will echo the RME suggestion... just plain works, and sounds great.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Neil wrote:
>>
>> > OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE
>> > these! lol
>> >
>> > OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has gone
>> > belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear you're
>> > talking about, but I can tell you something affordable AND
>> > high-quality, and that's basically my i/o rig which is as
>> > follows:
>> >
>> > 2x RME Multifaces - these are fucking clean as hell and if you
>> > don't like the sound of the convertors, then you're not really
>> > looking for "pristine", I can tellya that. Pick 'em up used or
>> > new, they're out there in both worlds. I would recommend buying
>> > new PCI cards, since there are probably some older ones that
>> > have a power mod issue if you buy them used.
>> > > *** Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's & either
>> > 12 or 20 digital in's, total - depending on your
>> > samplerate. Outs are the same #'s as above.
>> > *** These are PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based, which
>> > means, as far as I can tell, a more solid, more reliable
>> > throughput in terms of bandwidth... guys here like Chris
>> > L., Chuck, or Dedric, etc. can give you more technical
>> > data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can tell
>> > you I've tracked 21/22 channels (basic trax plus scratch
>> > vox, etc, etc) of a band at a time on a weaker computer
>> > than the setup you listed without a glitch. You mention
>> > #'s of inputs needed as a concern, so I thought I'd
>> > mention this.
>> > *** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card option.
>> > They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp with
>> > an ass-kickin' digicard with a softlimit feature that
>> > sounds great on certain things like bass, kick & snare. I
>> > bring this unit up because it enables more channels of
>> > input, in this case you can go lightpipe at up to 96k
>> > into the Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp, too.
>> > Even if you're not looking for preamps per se', if you're
>> > starting a new build it's an affordable interface that you
>> > really should consider... the 428 also gives you an extra
>> > 4 channels of external analog i/o when you get the
>> > digicard option! You can pick these up used for in the
>> > $1600 range WITH the card if you look around a bit.
>> > *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean, but
>> > the key is it's got lightpipe out, so again, you're
>> > adding to your i/o capacity here. The pres sound pretty
>> > good, with nice headroom, and it's convenient to lightpipe
>> > out to your 2nd Multiface, especially for things like
>> > toms or a secondary bass channel that you don't need to
>> > monitor directly, but do want to send to tape... errr..
>> > DISK!
>> >
>> > Honestly this setup works great for me - it's not as
>> > sophisticated as a big MADI rig, and it might not be quite as
>> > high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn it works really
>> > well, and it sounds pretty farkin' good!
>> >
>> > You're looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,
>> > to about $4,500 if you have to buy it all new.
>> >
>> > Neil
>>
>>
>>
>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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| Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Help me buy stuff. [message #91874 is a reply to message #91808] |
Tue, 23 October 2007 21:30 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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FWIW, I have 3 scope cards and something like 80 inputs and 80 outputs. I
don't think I/O will be much of a problem with the right choices. :)
AA
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:471d9e3b$1@linux...
>
> Keep in mind that if you only have two PCI slots, you WILL
> (note that I didn't say: "MAY") have to make a choice between
> using a Scope front end and something else. Unless the
> Scopestuff will give you the #'s of inputs you need even with
> other external conversion boxes going to lightpipe Scope in's,
> you must remember that in Cubase (or I imagine any other app)
> you HAVE to select one Master ASIO driver! If you have two
> Multiface PCI cards, you can select or default to the RME
> driver & you'll be able to record & playback through BOTH
> Multifacsia, if you have a Scope & something else
> (MOTU/Apogee/RME/Whatever), then your i/o's are limited to
> what can be selected on that ONE card/interface.
>
> If you like the Scope for synths or summing, you'd be better
> off setting that up in a secondary rig and using your primary
> PC for two interfaces of the same type so that your i/o count
> is maximized... in your case, anyway, based on what I think
> you're trying to achieve.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hey Neil,
>>Lots of info here. I wasn't shopping for pres at all but if they're
>>part of the package then great. I am quite concerned about
>>PCI/PCIe slots (only 1 of each left) vs quality converters.
>>Like you stated, basics sessions can get up around 20-24 tracks
>>if they're hairy. The 24 in is essential and I'll still be looking for
> =
>>a verb
>>or something else for vocal/snare for the players to hear. Paris has
>>spoiled me in that regard. Effects galore! Maybe that's a mechanism =
>>for
>>the Paris engine while tracking? Live Mix mode and throw effects=20
>>across a vocal there? 1.5ms shouldn't hurt too badly.
>>
>>I have some serious learning to do with Cubase before a tracking =
>>session!
>>My experience has been pretty much midi for the most part.
>>
>>I'll go over all the gear in your setup and see what works for me too.
>>I think we both have to hit the hay now.
>>Goodnight and good luck,
>>Tom
>> "Neil" <OIIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:471d93c5$1@linux...
>>
>> OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE
>> these! lol
>>
>> OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has gone
>> belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear you're
>> talking about, but I can tell you something affordable AND
>> high-quality, and that's basically my i/o rig which is as
>> follows:
>>
>> 2x RME Multifaces - these are fucking clean as hell and if you
>> don't like the sound of the convertors, then you're not really
>> looking for "pristine", I can tellya that. Pick 'em up used or
>> new, they're out there in both worlds. I would recommend buying
>> new PCI cards, since there are probably some older ones that
>> have a power mod issue if you buy them used.
>> =20
>> *** Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's & either
>> 12 or 20 digital in's, total - depending on your
>> samplerate. Outs are the same #'s as above.
>> *** These are PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based, which
>> means, as far as I can tell, a more solid, more reliable
>> throughput in terms of bandwidth... guys here like Chris
>> L., Chuck, or Dedric, etc. can give you more technical
>> data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can tell
>> you I've tracked 21/22 channels (basic trax plus scratch
>> vox, etc, etc) of a band at a time on a weaker computer
>> than the setup you listed without a glitch. You mention
>> #'s of inputs needed as a concern, so I thought I'd
>> mention this.
>> *** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card option.
>> They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp with
>> an ass-kickin' digicard with a softlimit feature that
>> sounds great on certain things like bass, kick & snare. I
>> bring this unit up because it enables more channels of
>> input, in this case you can go lightpipe at up to 96k
>> into the Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp, too.
>> Even if you're not looking for preamps per se', if you're
>> starting a new build it's an affordable interface that you
>> really should consider... the 428 also gives you an extra
>> 4 channels of external analog i/o when you get the
>> digicard option! You can pick these up used for in the
>> $1600 range WITH the card if you look around a bit.
>> *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean, but
>> the key is it's got lightpipe out, so again, you're
>> adding to your i/o capacity here. The pres sound pretty
>> good, with nice headroom, and it's convenient to lightpipe
>> out to your 2nd Multiface, especially for things like
>> toms or a secondary bass channel that you don't need to
>> monitor directly, but do want to send to tape... errr..
>> DISK!=20
>>
>> Honestly this setup works great for me - it's not as
>> sophisticated as a big MADI rig, and it might not be quite as
>> high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn it works really=20
>> well, and it sounds pretty farkin' good!
>>
>> You're looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,
>> to about $4,500 if you have to buy it all new.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Neil,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lots of info here. I wasn't =
>>shopping for pres=20
>>at all but if they're</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>part of the package then great. I =
>>am quite=20
>>concerned about</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>PCI/PCIe slots (only 1 of each left) vs
> =
>>quality=20
>>converters.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Like you stated, basics sessions can =
>>get up around=20
>>20-24 tracks</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if they're hairy. The 24 in is =
>>essential and=20
>>I'll still be looking for a verb</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>or something else for vocal/snare =
>>for the=20
>>players to hear. Paris has</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>spoiled me in that regard. =
>>Effects=20
>>galore! Maybe that's a mechanism for</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the Paris engine while tracking? =
>>Live Mix=20
>>mode and throw effects </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>across a vocal there? 1.5ms =
>>shouldn't hurt=20
>>too badly.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have some serious learning to do with
> =
>>Cubase=20
>>before a tracking session!</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My experience has been pretty much =
>>midi for=20
>>the most part.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll go over all the gear in your setup
> =
>>and see=20
>>what works for me too.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think we both have to hit the hay=20
>>now.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Goodnight and good luck,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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>>wrote in=20
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>> =
>>href=3D"news:471d93c5$1@linux">news:471d93c5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>OOOo=
>>ooOOH!=20
>> Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE<BR>these! =
>>
>> lol<BR><BR>OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has=20
>> gone<BR>belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear =
>>you're<BR>talking=20
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>>and that's=20
>> basically my i/o rig which is as<BR>follows:<BR><BR>2x RME Multifaces
> =
>>- these=20
>> are fucking clean as hell and if you<BR>don't like the sound of the=20
>> convertors, then you're not really<BR>looking for "pristine", I can =
>>tellya=20
>> that. Pick 'em up used or<BR>new, they're out there in both worlds. I
> =
>>would=20
>> recommend buying<BR>new PCI cards, since there are probably some older
> =
>>ones=20
>> that<BR>have a power mod issue if you buy them =
>>used.<BR> <BR> ***=20
>> Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's &=20
>> either<BR> 12 or 20 digital in's, total =
>>-=20
>> depending on your<BR> samplerate. Outs =
>>are the=20
>> same #'s as above.<BR> *** These are PCI-based, as opposed to =
>>FW-based,=20
>> which<BR> means, as far as I can tell, a =
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>>L., Chuck,=20
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>>(basic=20
>> trax plus scratch<BR> vox, etc, etc) of =
>>a band=20
>> at a time on a weaker computer<BR> than =
>>the=20
>> setup you listed without a glitch. You=20
>> mention<BR> #'s of inputs needed as a =
>>concern,=20
>> so I thought I'd<BR> mention =
>>this.<BR> ***=20
>> Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card=20
>> option.<BR> They now also have an 828 - =
>>this is=20
>> a GREAT preamp with<BR> an ass-kickin' =
>>digicard=20
>> with a softlimit feature that<BR> sounds =
>>great=20
>> on certain things like bass, kick & snare.=20
>> I<BR> bring this unit up because it =
>>enables more=20
>> channels of<BR> input, in this case you =
>>can go=20
>> lightpipe at up to 96k<BR> into the =
>>Multiface...=20
>> it's a nice smooth preamp, too.<BR> Even =
>>if=20
>> you're not looking for preamps per se', if=20
>> you're<BR> starting a new build it's an=20
>> affordable interface that you<BR> really =
>>should=20
>> consider... the 428 also gives you an =
>>extra<BR> =20
>> 4 channels of external analog i/o when you get=20
>> the<BR> digicard option! You can pick =
>>these up=20
>> used for in the<BR> $1600 range WITH the =
>>card if=20
>> you look around a bit.<BR> *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent =
>>preamps,=20
>> nice & clean, but<BR> the key is =
>>it's got=20
>> lightpipe out, so again, you're<BR> =
>>adding to=20
>> your i/o capacity here. The pres sound=20
>> pretty<BR> good, with nice headroom, and =
>>it's=20
>> convenient to lightpipe<BR> out to your =
>>2nd=20
>> Multiface, especially for things =
>>like<BR> toms=20
>> or a secondary bass channel that you don't need=20
>> to<BR> monitor directly, but do want to =
>>send to=20
>> tape... errr..<BR> DISK! =
>><BR><BR>Honestly this=20
>> setup works great for me - it's not as<BR>sophisticated as a big MADI
> =
>>rig, and=20
>> it might not be quite as<BR>high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn
> =
>>it=20
>> works really <BR>well, and it sounds pretty farkin' =
>>good!<BR><BR>You're=20
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>>$4,500 if=20
>> you have to buy it all new.<BR><BR>Neil</BLOCKQUOTE>
>><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
>>and=20
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Tue, 23 October 2007 21:44 |
Tom Bruhl
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Aaron,
I need 24 in/out converters.
Tom
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:471ecbd1@linux...
FWIW, I have 3 scope cards and something like 80 inputs and 80 =
outputs. I=20
don't think I/O will be much of a problem with the right choices. :)
AA
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:471d9e3b$1@linux...
>
> Keep in mind that if you only have two PCI slots, you WILL
> (note that I didn't say: "MAY") have to make a choice between
> using a Scope front end and something else. Unless the
> Scopestuff will give you the #'s of inputs you need even with
> other external conversion boxes going to lightpipe Scope in's,
> you must remember that in Cubase (or I imagine any other app)
> you HAVE to select one Master ASIO driver! If you have two
> Multiface PCI cards, you can select or default to the RME
> driver & you'll be able to record & playback through BOTH
> Multifacsia, if you have a Scope & something else
> (MOTU/Apogee/RME/Whatever), then your i/o's are limited to
> what can be selected on that ONE card/interface.
>
> If you like the Scope for synths or summing, you'd be better
> off setting that up in a secondary rig and using your primary
> PC for two interfaces of the same type so that your i/o count
> is maximized... in your case, anyway, based on what I think
> you're trying to achieve.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hey Neil,
>>Lots of info here. I wasn't shopping for pres at all but if they're
>>part of the package then great. I am quite concerned about
>>PCI/PCIe slots (only 1 of each left) vs quality converters.
>>Like you stated, basics sessions can get up around 20-24 tracks
>>if they're hairy. The 24 in is essential and I'll still be looking =
for
> =3D
>>a verb
>>or something else for vocal/snare for the players to hear. Paris =
has
>>spoiled me in that regard. Effects galore! Maybe that's a =
mechanism =3D
>>for
>>the Paris engine while tracking? Live Mix mode and throw =
effects=3D20
>>across a vocal there? 1.5ms shouldn't hurt too badly.
>>
>>I have some serious learning to do with Cubase before a tracking =3D
>>session!
>>My experience has been pretty much midi for the most part.
>>
>>I'll go over all the gear in your setup and see what works for me =
too.
>>I think we both have to hit the hay now.
>>Goodnight and good luck,
>>Tom
>> "Neil" <OIIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:471d93c5$1@linux...
>>
>> OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE
>> these! lol
>>
>> OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has gone
>> belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear you're
>> talking about, but I can tell you something affordable AND
>> high-quality, and that's basically my i/o rig which is as
>> follows:
>>
>> 2x RME Multifaces - these are fucking clean as hell and if you
>> don't like the sound of the convertors, then you're not really
>> looking for "pristine", I can tellya that. Pick 'em up used or
>> new, they're out there in both worlds. I would recommend buying
>> new PCI cards, since there are probably some older ones that
>> have a power mod issue if you buy them used.
>> =3D20
>> *** Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's & either
>> 12 or 20 digital in's, total - depending on your
>> samplerate. Outs are the same #'s as above.
>> *** These are PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based, which
>> means, as far as I can tell, a more solid, more reliable
>> throughput in terms of bandwidth... guys here like Chris
>> L., Chuck, or Dedric, etc. can give you more technical
>> data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can tell
>> you I've tracked 21/22 channels (basic trax plus scratch
>> vox, etc, etc) of a band at a time on a weaker computer
>> than the setup you listed without a glitch. You mention
>> #'s of inputs needed as a concern, so I thought I'd
>> mention this.
>> *** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card option.
>> They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp with
>> an ass-kickin' digicard with a softlimit feature that
>> sounds great on certain things like bass, kick & snare. I
>> bring this unit up because it enables more channels of
>> input, in this case you can go lightpipe at up to 96k
>> into the Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp, too.
>> Even if you're not looking for preamps per se', if you're
>> starting a new build it's an affordable interface that you
>> really should consider... the 428 also gives you an extra
>> 4 channels of external analog i/o when you get the
>> digicard option! You can pick these up used for in the
>> $1600 range WITH the card if you look around a bit.
>> *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean, but
>> the key is it's got lightpipe out, so again, you're
>> adding to your i/o capacity here. The pres sound pretty
>> good, with nice headroom, and it's convenient to lightpipe
>> out to your 2nd Multiface, especially for things like
>> toms or a secondary bass channel that you don't need to
>> monitor directly, but do want to send to tape... errr..
>> DISK!=3D20
>>
>> Honestly this setup works great for me - it's not as
>> sophisticated as a big MADI rig, and it might not be quite as
>> high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn it works really=3D20
>> well, and it sounds pretty farkin' good!
>>
>> You're looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,
>> to about $4,500 if you have to buy it all new.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
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>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hey Neil,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Lots of info here. I wasn't =3D
>>shopping for pres=3D20
>>at all but if they're</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>part of the package then great. =
I =3D
>>am quite=3D20
>>concerned about</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>PCI/PCIe slots (only 1 of each =
left) vs
> =3D
>>quality=3D20
>>converters.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Like you stated, basics =
sessions can =3D
>>get up around=3D20
>>20-24 tracks</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>if they're hairy. The 24 in is =
=3D
>>essential and=3D20
>>I'll still be looking for a verb</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>or something else for =
vocal/snare =3D
>>for the=3D20
>>players to hear. Paris has</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>spoiled me in that regard. =3D
>>Effects=3D20
>>galore! Maybe that's a mechanism for</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>the Paris engine while =
tracking? =3D
>>Live Mix=3D20
>>mode and throw effects </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>across a vocal there? 1.5ms =3D
>>shouldn't hurt=3D20
>>too badly.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have some serious learning to =
do with
> =3D
>>Cubase=3D20
>>before a tracking session!</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My experience has been pretty =
much =3D
>>midi for=3D20
>>the most part.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'll go over all the gear in =
your setup
> =3D
>>and see=3D20
>>what works for me too.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I think we both have to hit the =
hay=3D20
>>now.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Goodnight and good =
luck,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
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>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Neil" <<A href=3D3D"mailto:OIIOU@OIU.com">OIIOU@OIU.com</A>> =
=3D
>>wrote in=3D20
>> message <A=3D20
>> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D"news:471d93c5$1@linux">news:471d93c5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>=
OOOo=3D
>>ooOOH!=3D20
>> Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE<BR>these! =3D
>>
>> lol<BR><BR>OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig =
has=3D20
>> gone<BR>belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear =3D
>>you're<BR>talking=3D20
>> about, but I can tell you something affordable =
AND<BR>high-quality, =3D
>>and that's=3D20
>> basically my i/o rig which is as<BR>follows:<BR><BR>2x RME =
Multifaces
> =3D
>>- these=3D20
>> are fucking clean as hell and if you<BR>don't like the sound of =
the=3D20
>> convertors, then you're not really<BR>looking for "pristine", I =
can =3D
>>tellya=3D20
>> that. Pick 'em up used or<BR>new, they're out there in both =
worlds. I
> =3D
>>would=3D20
>> recommend buying<BR>new PCI cards, since there are probably some =
older
> =3D
>>ones=3D20
>> that<BR>have a power mod issue if you buy them =3D
>>used.<BR> <BR> ***=3D20
>> Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's &=3D20
>> either<BR> 12 or 20 digital in's, total =3D
>>-=3D20
>> depending on your<BR> samplerate. Outs =3D
>>are the=3D20
>> same #'s as above.<BR> *** These are PCI-based, as opposed to =3D
>>FW-based,=3D20
>> which<BR> means, as far as I can tell, a =3D
>>more=3D20
>> solid, more reliable<BR> throughput in =3D
>>terms of=3D20
>> bandwidth... guys here like Chris<BR> =3D
>>L., Chuck,=3D20
>> or Dedric, etc. can give you more =3D
>>technical<BR> =3D20
>> data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can=3D20
>> tell<BR> you I've tracked 21/22 channels =3D
>>(basic=3D20
>> trax plus scratch<BR> vox, etc, etc) of =3D
>>a band=3D20
>> at a time on a weaker computer<BR> than =3D
>>the=3D20
>> setup you listed without a glitch. You=3D20
>> mention<BR> #'s of inputs needed as a =3D
>>concern,=3D20
>> so I thought I'd<BR> mention =3D
>>this.<BR> ***=3D20
>> Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card=3D20
>> option.<BR> They now also have an 828 - =3D
>>this is=3D20
>> a GREAT preamp with<BR> an ass-kickin' =3D
>>digicard=3D20
>> with a softlimit feature that<BR> sounds =3D
>>great=3D20
>> on certain things like bass, kick & snare.=3D20
>> I<BR> bring this unit up because it =3D
>>enables more=3D20
>> channels of<BR> input, in this case you =3D
>>can go=3D20
>> lightpipe at up to 96k<BR> into the =3D
>>Multiface...=3D20
>> it's a nice smooth preamp, too.<BR> Even =3D
>>if=3D20
>> you're not looking for preamps per se', if=3D20
>> you're<BR> starting a new build it's an=3D20
>> affordable interface that you<BR> really =3D
>>should=3D20
>> consider... the 428 also gives you an =3D
>>extra<BR> =3D20
>> 4 channels of external analog i/o when you get=3D20
>> the<BR> digicard option! You can pick =3D
>>these up=3D20
>> used for in the<BR> $1600 range WITH the =3D
>>card if=3D20
>> you look around a bit.<BR> *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent =3D
>>preamps,=3D20
>> nice & clean, but<BR> the key is =3D
>>it's got=3D20
>> lightpipe out, so again, you're<BR> =3D
>>adding to=3D20
>> your i/o capacity here. The pres sound=3D20
>> pretty<BR> good, with nice headroom, and =3D
>>it's=3D20
>> convenient to lightpipe<BR> out to your =3D
>>2nd=3D20
>> Multiface, especially for things =3D
>>like<BR> toms=3D20
>> or a secondary bass channel that you don't need=3D20
>> to<BR> monitor directly, but do want to =3D
>>send to=3D20
>> tape... errr..<BR> DISK! =3D
>><BR><BR>Honestly this=3D20
>> setup works great for me - it's not as<BR>sophisticated as a big =
MADI
> =3D
>>rig, and=3D20
>> it might not be quite as<BR>high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but =
damn
> =3D
>>it=3D20
>> works really <BR>well, and it sounds pretty farkin' =3D
>>good!<BR><BR>You're=3D20
>> looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,<BR>to about =
=3D
>>$4,500 if=3D20
>> you have to buy it all new.<BR><BR>Neil</BLOCKQUOTE>
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spam, =3D
>>and=3D20
>>you?<BR><A=3D20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aaron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I need 24 in/out =
converters.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:471ecbd1@linux">news:471ecbd1@linux</A>...</DIV>FWIW, I=20
have 3 scope cards and something like 80 inputs and 80 outputs. I =
<BR>don't=20
think I/O will be much of a problem with the right choices.=20
:)<BR><BR>AA<BR><BR>"Neil" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>> wrote in message =
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:471d9e3b$1@linux">news:471d9e3b$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
t; Keep=20
in mind that if you only have two PCI slots, you WILL<BR>> (note =
that I=20
didn't say: "MAY") have to make a choice between<BR>> using a Scope =
front=20
end and something else. Unless the<BR>> Scopestuff will give you =
the #'s of=20
inputs you need even with<BR>> other external conversion boxes =
going to=20
lightpipe Scope in's,<BR>> you must remember that in Cubase (or I =
imagine=20
any other app)<BR>> you HAVE to select one Master ASIO driver! If =
you have=20
two<BR>> Multiface PCI cards, you can select or default to the =
RME<BR>>=20
driver & you'll be able to record & playback through =
BOTH<BR>>=20
Multifacsia, if you have a Scope & something else<BR>>=20
(MOTU/Apogee/RME/Whatever), then your i/o's are limited to<BR>> =
what can be=20
selected on that ONE card/interface.<BR>><BR>> If you like the =
Scope for=20
synths or summing, you'd be better<BR>> off setting that up in a =
secondary=20
rig and using your primary<BR>> PC for two interfaces of the same =
type so=20
that your i/o count<BR>> is maximized... in your case, anyway, =
based on=20
what I think<BR>> you're trying to achieve.<BR>><BR>>=20
Neil<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Hey Neil,<BR>>>Lots of =
info=20
here. I wasn't shopping for pres at all but if =
they're<BR>>>part=20
of the package then great. I am quite concerned=20
about<BR>>>PCI/PCIe slots (only 1 of each left) vs quality=20
converters.<BR>>>Like you stated, basics sessions can get up =
around=20
20-24 tracks<BR>>>if they're hairy. The 24 in is essential =
and=20
I'll still be looking for<BR>> =3D<BR>>>a verb<BR>>>or =
something=20
else for vocal/snare for the players to hear. Paris=20
has<BR>>>spoiled me in that regard. Effects galore! =
Maybe=20
that's a mechanism =3D<BR>>>for<BR>>>the Paris engine =
while=20
tracking? Live Mix mode and throw effects=3D20<BR>>>across =
a vocal=20
there? 1.5ms shouldn't hurt too badly.<BR>>><BR>>>I =
have=20
some serious learning to do with Cubase before a tracking=20
=3D<BR>>>session!<BR>>>My experience has been pretty much =
midi for=20
the most part.<BR>>><BR>>>I'll go over all the gear in =
your setup=20
and see what works for me too.<BR>>>I think we both have to hit =
the hay=20
now.<BR>>>Goodnight and good =
luck,<BR>>>Tom<BR>>> =20
"Neil" <<A href=3D"mailto:OIIOU@OIU.com">OIIOU@OIU.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:471d93c5$1@linux">news:471d93c5$1@linux</A>...<BR>>><B=
R>>> =20
OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I =
LOVE<BR>>> =20
these! lol<BR>>><BR>>> OK, but in all=20
seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has gone<BR>>> =
belly-up...=20
I'm not familiar with some of the gear you're<BR>>> =
talking about,=20
but I can tell you something affordable AND<BR>>> =
high-quality,=20
and that's basically my i/o rig which is as<BR>>> =20
follows:<BR>>><BR>>> 2x RME Multifaces - these are =
fucking=20
clean as hell and if you<BR>>> don't like the sound of the =
convertors, then you're not really<BR>>> looking for =
"pristine", I=20
can tellya that. Pick 'em up used or<BR>>> new, they're =
out there=20
in both worlds. I would recommend buying<BR>>> new PCI =
cards,=20
since there are probably some older ones that<BR>>> have a =
power=20
mod issue if you buy them used.<BR>>> =20
=3D20<BR>>> *** Two Multifascia will give you =
16 analog=20
in's & =
either<BR> >> & ;nbsp; 12 or=20
20 digital in's, total - depending on=20
your<BR> >> & ;nbsp; samplerate. =
Outs=20
are the same #'s as above.<BR>>> *** These are =
PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based,=20
which<BR> >> & ;nbsp; means, as =
far as I=20
can tell, a more solid, more=20
reliable<BR> >> & ;nbsp; =
throughput in=20
terms of bandwidth... guys here like=20
Chris<BR> >> & ;nbsp; L., Chuck, =
or=20
Dedric, etc. can give you more=20
technical<BR> >> & ;nbsp; =
data/specs on=20
this, but from my own experience, I can=20
tell<BR> >> & ;nbsp; you I've =
tracked=20
21/22 channels (basic trax plus=20
scratch<BR> >> & ;nbsp; vox, =
etc, etc)=20
of a band at a time on a weaker=20
computer<BR> >> & ;nbsp; than =
the setup=20
you listed without a glitch. You=20
mention<BR> >> & ;nbsp; #'s of =
inputs=20
needed as a concern, so I thought=20
I'd<BR> >> & ;nbsp; mention=20
this.<BR>>> *** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the =
digital=20
interface card =
option.<BR> >> & ;nbsp; =20
They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp=20
with<BR> >> & ;nbsp; an =
ass-kickin'=20
digicard with a softlimit feature=20
that<BR> >> & ;nbsp; sounds =
great on=20
certain things like bass, kick & snare.=20
I<BR> >> & ;nbsp; bring this =
unit up=20
because it enables more channels=20
of<BR> >> & ;nbsp; input, in =
this case=20
you can go lightpipe at up to=20
96k<BR> >> & ;nbsp; into the=20
Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp,=20
too.<BR> >> & ;nbsp; Even if =
you're not=20
looking for preamps per se', if=20
you're<BR> >> & ;nbsp; starting =
a new=20
build it's an affordable interface that=20
you<BR> >> & ;nbsp; really =
should=20
consider... the 428 also gives you an=20
extra<BR> >> & ;nbsp; 4 channels =
of=20
external analog i/o when you get=20
the<BR> >> & ;nbsp; digicard =
option! You=20
can pick these up used for in=20
the<BR> >> & ;nbsp; $1600 range =
WITH the=20
card if you look around a bit.<BR>>> *** MOTU =
8Pre -=20
this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean,=20
but<BR> >> & ;nbsp; the key is =
it's got=20
lightpipe out, so again,=20
you're<BR> >> & ;nbsp; adding to =
your=20
i/o capacity here. The pres sound=20
pretty<BR> >> & ;nbsp; good, =
with nice=20
headroom, and it's convenient to=20
lightpipe<BR> >> & ;nbsp; out to =
your=20
2nd Multiface, especially for things=20
like<BR> >> & ;nbsp; toms or a =
secondary=20
bass channel that you don't need=20
to<BR> >> & ;nbsp; monitor =
directly, but=20
do want to send to tape...=20
errr..<BR> >> & ;nbsp; =20
DISK!=3D20<BR>>><BR>>> Honestly this setup works =
great for me=20
- it's not as<BR>>> sophisticated as a big MADI rig, and =
it might=20
not be quite as<BR>>> high-end as some Apogeezus thang, =
but damn=20
it works really=3D20<BR>>> well, and it sounds pretty =
farkin'=20
good!<BR>>><BR>>> You're looking at about $3k, if =
you can=20
find everything used,<BR>>> to about $4,500 if you have to =
buy it=20
all new.<BR>>><BR>>> =20
Neil<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =
fight=20
spam, and=20
=
you?<BR>>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html<BR>>><BR>>>=
;<!DOCTYPE=20
HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
=
Transitional//EN"><BR>>><HTML><HEAD> <BR>>><=
META=20
http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
=3D<BR>>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR >>><META =
content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
6.00.2800.1400"=20
=
name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>>><STYLE></STYLE> <BR>>>=
</HEAD><BR>>><BODY=20
bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Hey =
Neil,</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Lots of info here. I wasn't =
=3D<BR>>>shopping for=20
pres=3D20<BR>>>at all but if=20
they're</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>part of the package then great. I =3D<BR>>>am=20
quite=3D20<BR>>>concerned=20
about</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>PCI/PCIe slots (only 1 of each left) vs<BR>>=20
=
=3D<BR>>>quality=3D20<BR> >>converters.</FONT></DIV &g=
t;<BR>>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Like you stated, basics sessions can =
=3D<BR>>>get=20
up around=3D20<BR>>>20-24=20
tracks</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>if they're hairy. The 24 in is =3D<BR>>>essential=20
and=3D20<BR>>>I'll still be looking for a=20
verb</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>or something else for vocal/snare =3D<BR>>>for=20
the=3D20<BR>>>players to hear. Paris=20
has</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>spoiled me in that regard.=20
=3D<BR>>>Effects=3D20<BR>>>galore! Maybe that's a =
mechanism=20
for</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>the Paris engine while tracking? =3D<BR>>>Live=20
Mix=3D20<BR>>>mode and throw effects=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>across a vocal there? 1.5ms =3D<BR>>>shouldn't=20
hurt=3D20<BR>>>too=20
badly.</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have some serious learning to do =
with<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>Cubase=3D20<BR>>>before a tracking=20
session!</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>My experience has been pretty much =3D<BR>>>midi=20
for=3D20<BR>>>the most=20
part.</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'll go over all the gear in your =
setup<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>and see=3D20<BR>>>what works for me=20
too.</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>I think we both have to hit the=20
=
hay=3D20<BR> >>now.</FONT></DIV> ; <BR>>><DIV>&=
lt;FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Goodnight and good=20
luck,</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
=
size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV&g t; <BR>>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20=
<BR>>>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=20
0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>>BORDER-LEFT: =
#000000=20
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>>> <DIV>"Neil"=20
<<A href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:OIIOU@OIU.com">OIIOU@OIU.com</A'>mailto:OIIOU@OIU.com">=
OIIOU@OIU.com</A</A>>>=20
=3D<BR>>>wrote in=3D20<BR>>> message =
<A=3D20<BR>>> =20
=3D<BR>>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'news:471d93c5$1@linux">news:471d93c5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>OOOo=
'>news:471d93c5$1@linux">news:471d93c5$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
;<BR>OOOo</A>=3D<BR>>>ooOOH!=3D20 <BR>>> =20
Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE<BR>these!=20
=3D<BR>>><BR>>> lol<BR><BR>OK, but in =
all=20
seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has=3D20<BR>>> =20
gone<BR>belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear=20
=3D<BR>>>you're<BR>talking=3D20 <BR>>> about, =
but I can=20
tell you something affordable AND<BR>high-quality, =
=3D<BR>>>and=20
that's=3D20<BR>>> basically my i/o rig which is=20
as<BR>follows:<BR><BR& ;gt;2x RME Multifaces<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>- these=3D20<BR>>> are fucking clean as =
hell and if=20
you<BR>don't like the sound of the=3D20<BR>>> =
convertors, then=20
you're not really<BR>looking for "pristine", I can=20
=3D<BR>>>tellya=3D20<BR>>> that. Pick 'em up used=20
or<BR>new, they're out there in both worlds. I<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>would=3D20<BR>>> recommend =
buying<BR>new PCI=20
cards, since there are probably some older<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>ones=3D20<BR>>> that<BR>have a power =
mod issue if=20
you buy them =3D<BR>>>used.<BR> <BR> =
***=3D20<BR>>> =20
Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's =
&=3D20<BR>>> =20
either<BR> 12 or 20 digital in's, total=20
=3D<BR>>>-=3D20<BR>>> depending on your<BR> =
samplerate.=20
Outs =3D<BR>>>are the=3D20<BR>>> same #'s as =
above.<BR>=20
*** These are PCI-based, as opposed to=20
=3D<BR>>>FW-based,=3D20<BR>>> which<BR> means, =
as far as I=20
can tell, a =3D<BR>>>more=3D20<BR>>> solid, more=20
reliable<BR> throughput in =3D<BR>>>terms =
of=3D20<BR>>> =20
bandwidth... guys here like Chris<BR> =3D<BR>>>L.,=20
Chuck,=3D20<BR>>> or Dedric, etc. can give you more=20
=3D<BR>>>technical<BR> =3D20<BR>>> data/specs =
on this, but=20
from my own experience, I can=3D20<BR>>> tell<BR> =
you I've=20
tracked 21/22 channels =3D<BR>>>(basic=3D20<BR>>> =
trax plus=20
scratch<BR> vox, etc, etc) of =3D<BR>>>a =
band=3D20<BR>>> =20
at a time on a weaker computer<BR> than=20
=3D<BR>>>the=3D20<BR>>> setup you listed without a =
glitch.=20
You=3D20<BR>>> mention<BR> #'s of inputs needed as a =
=3D<BR>>>concern,=3D20<BR>>> so I thought =
I'd<BR> mention=20
=3D<BR>>>this.<BR> ***=3D20<BR>>> Focusrite =
ISA 428 WITH=20
the digital interface card=3D20<BR>>> option.<BR> =
They now=20
also have an 828 - =3D<BR>>>this is=3D20<BR>>> a =
GREAT preamp=20
with<BR> an ass-kickin' =
=3D<BR>>>digicard=3D20<BR>>> with=20
a softlimit feature that<BR> sounds=20
=3D<BR>>>great=3D20<BR>>> on certain things like =
bass, kick=20
& snare.=3D20<BR>>> I<BR> bring this unit up =
because it=20
=3D<BR>>>enables more=3D20<BR>>> channels =
of<BR> input, in=20
this case you =3D<BR>>>can go=3D20<BR>>> lightpipe =
at up to=20
96k<BR> into the =
=3D<BR>>>Multiface...=3D20<BR>>> it's a=20
nice smooth preamp, too.<BR> Even =
=3D<BR>>>if=3D20<BR>>> =20
you're not looking for preamps per se', if=3D20<BR>>> =20
you're<BR> starting a new build it's an=3D20<BR>>> =
affordable=20
interface that you<BR> really =
=3D<BR>>>should=3D20<BR>>> =20
consider... the 428 also gives you an =3D<BR>>>extra<BR>=20
=3D20<BR>>> 4 channels of external analog i/o when you=20
get=3D20<BR>>> the<BR> digicard option! You can pick =
=3D<BR>>>these up=3D20<BR>>> used for in =
the<BR> $1600=20
range WITH the =3D<BR>>>card if=3D20<BR>>> you look =
around a=20
bit.<BR> *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent=20
=3D<BR>>>preamps,=3D20<BR>>> nice & clean, =
but<BR> the=20
key is =3D<BR>>>it's got=3D20<BR>>> lightpipe out, =
so again,=20
you're<BR> =3D<BR>>>adding to=3D20<BR>>> your =
i/o capacity=20
here. The pres sound=3D20<BR>>> pretty<BR> good, =
with nice=20
headroom, and =3D<BR>>>it's=3D20<BR>>> convenient to =
lightpipe<BR> out to your =
=3D<BR>>>2nd=3D20<BR>>> =20
Multiface, especially for things =3D<BR>>>like<BR>=20
toms=3D20<BR>>> or a secondary bass channel that you don't =
need=3D20<BR>>> to<BR> monitor directly, but do want =
to=20
=3D<BR>>>send to=3D20<BR>>> tape... errr..<BR> =
DISK!=20
=3D<BR> >><BR><BR>Honestly =
this=3D20<BR>>> setup=20
works great for me - it's not as<BR>sophisticated as a big =
MADI<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>rig, and=3D20<BR>>> it might not be quite=20
as<BR>high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>it=3D20<BR>>> works really <BR>well, =
and it=20
sounds pretty farkin'=20
=3D<BR> >>good!<BR><BR>You 're=3D20 <BR>>> =
looking at=20
about $3k, if you can find everything used,<BR>to about=20
=3D<BR>>>$4,500 if=3D20<BR>>> you have to buy it all =
=
new.<BR><BR>Neil</BLOCKQU OTE> <BR>>><DIV><=
;FONT=20
size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
spam,=20
=
=3D<BR>>>and=3D20<BR>>>you?<BR><A=3D20 <BR>>>hr=
ef=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>=3D<BR>>>.html</A>=20
=
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well, the cool thing about that is you get to choose/upgrade your =
convertors at will with the scope thing, and jeez it's been solid at =
1.5ms/44.1 khz in the admittedly little amount of time I get to use it. =
Having extra DSP power laying around for effects/synths/mix engine =
really IMO does matter on the stability front. I don't like gremlins, =
and I don't like have to jerk around the latency knob to track or mix. =
It's 1.5@44.1, period, and I've yet to be able to crash it. I don't like =
the software mixer at all, but I think there is something odd going on =
that I haven't had sufficient time to track / understand about the whole =
thing.=20
AA
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:471eced2@linux...
Aaron,
I need 24 in/out converters.
Tom
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:471ecbd1@linux...
FWIW, I have 3 scope cards and something like 80 inputs and 80 =
outputs. I=20
don't think I/O will be much of a problem with the right choices. :)
AA
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:471d9e3b$1@linux...
>
> Keep in mind that if you only have two PCI slots, you WILL
> (note that I didn't say: "MAY") have to make a choice between
> using a Scope front end and something else. Unless the
> Scopestuff will give you the #'s of inputs you need even with
> other external conversion boxes going to lightpipe Scope in's,
> you must remember that in Cubase (or I imagine any other app)
> you HAVE to select one Master ASIO driver! If you have two
> Multiface PCI cards, you can select or default to the RME
> driver & you'll be able to record & playback through BOTH
> Multifacsia, if you have a Scope & something else
> (MOTU/Apogee/RME/Whatever), then your i/o's are limited to
> what can be selected on that ONE card/interface.
>
> If you like the Scope for synths or summing, you'd be better
> off setting that up in a secondary rig and using your primary
> PC for two interfaces of the same type so that your i/o count
> is maximized... in your case, anyway, based on what I think
> you're trying to achieve.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hey Neil,
>>Lots of info here. I wasn't shopping for pres at all but if =
they're
>>part of the package then great. I am quite concerned about
>>PCI/PCIe slots (only 1 of each left) vs quality converters.
>>Like you stated, basics sessions can get up around 20-24 tracks
>>if they're hairy. The 24 in is essential and I'll still be =
looking for
> =3D
>>a verb
>>or something else for vocal/snare for the players to hear. Paris =
has
>>spoiled me in that regard. Effects galore! Maybe that's a =
mechanism =3D
>>for
>>the Paris engine while tracking? Live Mix mode and throw =
effects=3D20
>>across a vocal there? 1.5ms shouldn't hurt too badly.
>>
>>I have some serious learning to do with Cubase before a tracking =
=3D
>>session!
>>My experience has been pretty much midi for the most part.
>>
>>I'll go over all the gear in your setup and see what works for me =
too.
>>I think we both have to hit the hay now.
>>Goodnight and good luck,
>>Tom
>> "Neil" <OIIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:471d93c5$1@linux...
>>
>> OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE
>> these! lol
>>
>> OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has gone
>> belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear you're
>> talking about, but I can tell you something affordable AND
>> high-quality, and that's basically my i/o rig which is as
>> follows:
>>
>> 2x RME Multifaces - these are fucking clean as hell and if you
>> don't like the sound of the convertors, then you're not really
>> looking for "pristine", I can tellya that. Pick 'em up used or
>> new, they're out there in both worlds. I would recommend buying
>> new PCI cards, since there are probably some older ones that
>> have a power mod issue if you buy them used.
>> =3D20
>> *** Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's & either
>> 12 or 20 digital in's, total - depending on your
>> samplerate. Outs are the same #'s as above.
>> *** These are PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based, which
>> means, as far as I can tell, a more solid, more reliable
>> throughput in terms of bandwidth... guys here like Chris
>> L., Chuck, or Dedric, etc. can give you more technical
>> data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can tell
>> you I've tracked 21/22 channels (basic trax plus scratch
>> vox, etc, etc) of a band at a time on a weaker computer
>> than the setup you listed without a glitch. You mention
>> #'s of inputs needed as a concern, so I thought I'd
>> mention this.
>> *** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card option.
>> They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp with
>> an ass-kickin' digicard with a softlimit feature that
>> sounds great on certain things like bass, kick & snare. I
>> bring this unit up because it enables more channels of
>> input, in this case you can go lightpipe at up to 96k
>> into the Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp, too.
>> Even if you're not looking for preamps per se', if you're
>> starting a new build it's an affordable interface that you
>> really should consider... the 428 also gives you an extra
>> 4 channels of external analog i/o when you get the
>> digicard option! You can pick these up used for in the
>> $1600 range WITH the card if you look around a bit.
>> *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean, but
>> the key is it's got lightpipe out, so again, you're
>> adding to your i/o capacity here. The pres sound pretty
>> good, with nice headroom, and it's convenient to lightpipe
>> out to your 2nd Multiface, especially for things like
>> toms or a secondary bass channel that you don't need to
>> monitor directly, but do want to send to tape... errr..
>> DISK!=3D20
>>
>> Honestly this setup works great for me - it's not as
>> sophisticated as a big MADI rig, and it might not be quite as
>> high-end as some Apogeezus thang, but damn it works really=3D20
>> well, and it sounds pretty farkin' good!
>>
>> You're looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,
>> to about $4,500 if you have to buy it all new.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
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>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hey Neil,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Lots of info here. I wasn't =
=3D
>>shopping for pres=3D20
>>at all but if they're</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>part of the package then =
great. I =3D
>>am quite=3D20
>>concerned about</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>PCI/PCIe slots (only 1 of =
each left) vs
> =3D
>>quality=3D20
>>converters.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Like you stated, basics =
sessions can =3D
>>get up around=3D20
>>20-24 tracks</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>if they're hairy. The 24 in =
is =3D
>>essential and=3D20
>>I'll still be looking for a verb</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>or something else for =
vocal/snare =3D
>>for the=3D20
>>players to hear. Paris has</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>spoiled me in that regard. =
=3D
>>Effects=3D20
>>galore! Maybe that's a mechanism for</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>the Paris engine while =
tracking? =3D
>>Live Mix=3D20
>>mode and throw effects </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>across a vocal there? 1.5ms =
=3D
>>shouldn't hurt=3D20
>>too badly.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have some serious learning =
to do with
> =3D
>>Cubase=3D20
>>before a tracking session!</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My experience has been pretty =
much =3D
>>midi for=3D20
>>the most part.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'll go over all the gear in =
your setup
> =3D
>>and see=3D20
>>what works for me too.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I think we both have to hit =
the hay=3D20
>>now.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Goodnight and good =
luck,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
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>> <DIV>"Neil" <<A =
href=3D3D"mailto:OIIOU@OIU.com">OIIOU@OIU.com</A>> =3D
>>wrote in=3D20
>> message <A=3D20
>> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D"news:471d93c5$1@linux">news:471d93c5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>=
OOOo=3D
>>ooOOH!=3D20
>> Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE<BR>these! =3D
>>
>> lol<BR><BR>OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig =
has=3D20
>> gone<BR>belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear =3D
>>you're<BR>talking=3D20
>> about, but I can tell you something affordable =
AND<BR>high-quality, =3D
>>and that's=3D20
>> basically my i/o rig which is as<BR>follows:<BR><BR>2x RME =
Multifaces
> =3D
>>- these=3D20
>> are fucking clean as hell and if you<BR>don't like the sound of =
the=3D20
>> convertors, then you're not really<BR>looking for "pristine", I =
can =3D
>>tellya=3D20
>> that. Pick 'em up used or<BR>new, they're out there in both =
worlds. I
> =3D
>>would=3D20
>> recommend buying<BR>new PCI cards, since there are probably some =
older
> =3D
>>ones=3D20
>> that<BR>have a power mod issue if you buy them =3D
>>used.<BR> <BR> ***=3D20
>> Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's &=3D20
>> either<BR> 12 or 20 digital in's, total =3D
>>-=3D20
>> depending on your<BR> samplerate. Outs =3D
>>are the=3D20
>> same #'s as above.<BR> *** These are PCI-based, as opposed to =
=3D
>>FW-based,=3D20
>> which<BR> means, as far as I can tell, a =3D
>>more=3D20
>> solid, more reliable<BR> throughput in =3D
>>terms of=3D20
>> bandwidth... guys here like Chris<BR> =3D
>>L., Chuck,=3D20
>> or Dedric, etc. can give you more =3D
>>technical<BR> =3D20
>> data/specs on this, but from my own experience, I can=3D20
>> tell<BR> you I've tracked 21/22 channels =3D
>>(basic=3D20
>> trax plus scratch<BR> vox, etc, etc) of =3D
>>a band=3D20
>> at a time on a weaker computer<BR> than =3D
>>the=3D20
>> setup you listed without a glitch. You=3D20
>> mention<BR> #'s of inputs needed as a =3D
>>concern,=3D20
>> so I thought I'd<BR> mention =3D
>>this.<BR> ***=3D20
>> Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the digital interface card=3D20
>> option.<BR> They now also have an 828 - =3D
>>this is=3D20
>> a GREAT preamp with<BR> an ass-kickin' =3D
>>digicard=3D20
>> with a softlimit feature that<BR> sounds =3D
>>great=3D20
>> on certain things like bass, kick & snare.=3D20
>> I<BR> bring this unit up because it =3D
>>enables more=3D20
>> channels of<BR> input, in this case you =3D
>>can go=3D20
>> lightpipe at up to 96k<BR> into the =3D
>>Multiface...=3D20
>> it's a nice smooth preamp, too.<BR> Even =3D
>>if=3D20
>> you're not looking for preamps per se', if=3D20
>> you're<BR> starting a new build it's an=3D20
>> affordable interface that you<BR> really =3D
>>should=3D20
>> consider... the 428 also gives you an =3D
>>extra<BR> =3D20
>> 4 channels of external analog i/o when you get=3D20
>> the<BR> digicard option! You can pick =3D
>>these up=3D20
>> used for in the<BR> $1600 range WITH the =3D
>>card if=3D20
>> you look around a bit.<BR> *** MOTU 8Pre - this has 8 decent =3D
>>preamps,=3D20
>> nice & clean, but<BR> the key is =3D
>>it's got=3D20
>> lightpipe out, so again, you're<BR> =3D
>>adding to=3D20
>> your i/o capacity here. The pres sound=3D20
>> pretty<BR> good, with nice headroom, and =3D
>>it's=3D20
>> convenient to lightpipe<BR> out to your =3D
>>2nd=3D20
>> Multiface, especially for things =3D
>>like<BR> toms=3D20
>> or a secondary bass channel that you don't need=3D20
>> to<BR> monitor directly, but do want to =3D
>>send to=3D20
>> tape... errr..<BR> DISK! =3D
>><BR><BR>Honestly this=3D20
>> setup works great for me - it's not as<BR>sophisticated as a big =
MADI
> =3D
>>rig, and=3D20
>> it might not be quite as<BR>high-end as some Apogeezus thang, =
but damn
> =3D
>>it=3D20
>> works really <BR>well, and it sounds pretty farkin' =3D
>>good!<BR><BR>You're=3D20
>> looking at about $3k, if you can find everything used,<BR>to =
about =3D
>>$4,500 if=3D20
>> you have to buy it all new.<BR><BR>Neil</BLOCKQUOTE>
>><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
spam, =3D
>>and=3D20
>>you?<BR><A=3D20
=
>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/r=
efer=3D
>>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>well, the cool thing about that is you =
get to=20
choose/upgrade your convertors at will with the scope thing, and jeez =
it's been=20
solid at 1.5ms/44.1 khz in the admittedly little amount of time I get to =
use it.=20
Having extra DSP power laying around for effects/synths/mix engine =
really IMO=20
does matter on the stability front. I don't like gremlins, and I don't =
like have=20
to jerk around the latency knob to track or mix. It's <A=20
href=3D"mailto:1.5@44.1">1.5@44.1</A>, period, and I've yet to be able =
to crash=20
it. I don't like the software mixer at all, but I think there is =
something odd=20
going on that I haven't had sufficient time to track / understand about =
the=20
whole thing. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:471eced2@linux">news:471eced2@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aaron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I need 24 in/out =
converters.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote=20
in message <A=20
href=3D"news:471ecbd1@linux">news:471ecbd1@linux</A>...</DIV>FWIW, I =
have 3=20
scope cards and something like 80 inputs and 80 outputs. I <BR>don't =
think=20
I/O will be much of a problem with the right choices.=20
:)<BR><BR>AA<BR><BR>"Neil" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:471d9e3b$1@linux">news:471d9e3b$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
t;=20
Keep in mind that if you only have two PCI slots, you WILL<BR>> =
(note=20
that I didn't say: "MAY") have to make a choice between<BR>> =
using a=20
Scope front end and something else. Unless the<BR>> Scopestuff =
will give=20
you the #'s of inputs you need even with<BR>> other external =
conversion=20
boxes going to lightpipe Scope in's,<BR>> you must remember that =
in=20
Cubase (or I imagine any other app)<BR>> you HAVE to select one =
Master=20
ASIO driver! If you have two<BR>> Multiface PCI cards, you can =
select or=20
default to the RME<BR>> driver & you'll be able to record =
&=20
playback through BOTH<BR>> Multifacsia, if you have a Scope & =
something else<BR>> (MOTU/Apogee/RME/Whatever), then your i/o's =
are=20
limited to<BR>> what can be selected on that ONE=20
card/interface.<BR>><BR>> If you like the Scope for synths or =
summing,=20
you'd be better<BR>> off setting that up in a secondary rig and =
using=20
your primary<BR>> PC for two interfaces of the same type so that =
your i/o=20
count<BR>> is maximized... in your case, anyway, based on what I=20
think<BR>> you're trying to achieve.<BR>><BR>>=20
Neil<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Hey Neil,<BR>>>Lots =
of info=20
here. I wasn't shopping for pres at all but if =
they're<BR>>>part=20
of the package then great. I am quite concerned=20
about<BR>>>PCI/PCIe slots (only 1 of each left) vs quality=20
converters.<BR>>>Like you stated, basics sessions can get up =
around=20
20-24 tracks<BR>>>if they're hairy. The 24 in is =
essential and=20
I'll still be looking for<BR>> =3D<BR>>>a =
verb<BR>>>or=20
something else for vocal/snare for the players to hear. Paris=20
has<BR>>>spoiled me in that regard. Effects =
galore! Maybe=20
that's a mechanism =3D<BR>>>for<BR>>>the Paris engine =
while=20
tracking? Live Mix mode and throw =
effects=3D20<BR>>>across a vocal=20
there? 1.5ms shouldn't hurt too =
badly.<BR>>><BR>>>I have=20
some serious learning to do with Cubase before a tracking=20
=3D<BR>>>session!<BR>>>My experience has been pretty =
much midi for=20
the most part.<BR>>><BR>>>I'll go over all the gear in =
your=20
setup and see what works for me too.<BR>>>I think we both have =
to hit=20
the hay now.<BR>>>Goodnight and good=20
luck,<BR>>>Tom<BR>>> "Neil" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:OIIOU@OIU.com">OIIOU@OIU.com</A>> wrote in message =
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:471d93c5$1@linux">news:471d93c5$1@linux</A>...<BR>>><B=
R>>> =20
OOOoooOOH! Another "help me spend my money" thread - I=20
LOVE<BR>>> these! =
lol<BR>>><BR>>> =20
OK, but in all seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has=20
gone<BR>>> belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the =
gear=20
you're<BR>>> talking about, but I can tell you something =
affordable AND<BR>>> high-quality, and that's basically =
my i/o=20
rig which is as<BR>>> =
follows:<BR>>><BR>>> 2x=20
RME Multifaces - these are fucking clean as hell and if=20
you<BR>>> don't like the sound of the convertors, then =
you're=20
not really<BR>>> looking for "pristine", I can tellya =
that. Pick=20
'em up used or<BR>>> new, they're out there in both =
worlds. I=20
would recommend buying<BR>>> new PCI cards, since there =
are=20
probably some older ones that<BR>>> have a power mod =
issue if=20
you buy them used.<BR>>> =
=3D20<BR>>> ***=20
Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog in's &=20
either<BR> >> & ;nbsp; 12 or =
20=20
digital in's, total - depending on=20
your<BR> >> & ;nbsp; =
samplerate. Outs=20
are the same #'s as above.<BR>>> *** These =
are=20
PCI-based, as opposed to FW-based,=20
which<BR> >> & ;nbsp; means, =
as far as=20
I can tell, a more solid, more=20
reliable<BR> >> & ;nbsp; =
throughput in=20
terms of bandwidth... guys here like=20
Chris<BR> >> & ;nbsp; L., =
Chuck, or=20
Dedric, etc. can give you more=20
technical<BR> >> & ;nbsp; =
data/specs=20
on this, but from my own experience, I can=20
tell<BR> >> & ;nbsp; you I've =
tracked=20
21/22 channels (basic trax plus=20
scratch<BR> >> & ;nbsp; vox, =
etc, etc)=20
of a band at a time on a weaker=20
computer<BR> >> & ;nbsp; than =
the=20
setup you listed without a glitch. You=20
mention<BR> >> & ;nbsp; #'s of =
inputs=20
needed as a concern, so I thought=20
I'd<BR> >> & ;nbsp; mention=20
this.<BR>>> *** Focusrite ISA 428 WITH the =
digital=20
interface card =
option.<BR> >> & ;nbsp; =20
They now also have an 828 - this is a GREAT preamp=20
with<BR> >> & ;nbsp; an =
ass-kickin'=20
digicard with a softlimit feature=20
that<BR> >> & ;nbsp; sounds =
great on=20
certain things like bass, kick & snare.=20
I<BR> >> & ;nbsp; bring this =
unit up=20
because it enables more channels=20
of<BR> >> & ;nbsp; input, in =
this case=20
you can go lightpipe at up to=20
96k<BR> >> & ;nbsp; into the=20
Multiface... it's a nice smooth preamp,=20
too.<BR> >> & ;nbsp; Even if =
you're=20
not looking for preamps per se', if=20
you're<BR> >> & ;nbsp; =
starting a new=20
build it's an affordable interface that=20
you<BR> >> & ;nbsp; really =
should=20
consider... the 428 also gives you an=20
extra<BR> >> & ;nbsp; 4 =
channels of=20
external analog i/o when you get=20
the<BR> >> & ;nbsp; digicard =
option!=20
You can pick these up used for in=20
the<BR> >> & ;nbsp; $1600 =
range WITH=20
the card if you look around a bit.<BR>>> *** =
MOTU=20
8Pre - this has 8 decent preamps, nice & clean,=20
but<BR> >> & ;nbsp; the key is =
it's=20
got lightpipe out, so again,=20
you're<BR> >> & ;nbsp; adding =
to your=20
i/o capacity here. The pres sound=20
pretty<BR> >> & ;nbsp; good, =
with nice=20
headroom, and it's convenient to=20
lightpipe<BR> >> & ;nbsp; out =
to your=20
2nd Multiface, especially for things=20
like<BR> >> & ;nbsp; toms or a =
secondary bass channel that you don't need=20
to<BR> >> & ;nbsp; monitor =
directly,=20
but do want to send to tape...=20
errr..<BR> >> & ;nbsp; =20
DISK!=3D20<BR>>><BR>>> Honestly this setup works =
great for=20
me - it's not as<BR>>> sophisticated as a big MADI rig, =
and it=20
might not be quite as<BR>>> high-end as some Apogeezus =
thang,=20
but damn it works really=3D20<BR>>> well, and it sounds =
pretty=20
farkin' good!<BR>>><BR>>> You're looking at about =
$3k, if=20
you can find everything used,<BR>>> to about $4,500 if =
you have=20
to buy it all new.<BR>>><BR>>> =20
Neil<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam =
to fight=20
spam, and=20
=
you?<BR>>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html<BR>>><BR>>>=
;<!DOCTYPE=20
HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
=
Transitional//EN"><BR>>><HTML><HEAD> <BR>>><=
META=20
http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
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name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>>><STYLE></STYLE> <BR>>>=
</HEAD><BR>>><BODY=20
bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Hey=20
Neil,</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Lots of info here. I wasn't =3D<BR>>>shopping =
for=20
pres=3D20<BR>>>at all but if=20
they're</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>part of the package then great. I =3D<BR>>>am=20
quite=3D20<BR>>>concerned=20
about</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>PCI/PCIe slots (only 1 of each left) vs<BR>>=20
=
=3D<BR>>>quality=3D20<BR> >>converters.</FONT></DIV &g=
t;<BR>>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Like you stated, basics sessions can=20
=3D<BR>>>get up around=3D20<BR>>>20-24=20
tracks</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>if they're hairy. The 24 in is =
=3D<BR>>>essential=20
and=3D20<BR>>>I'll still be looking for a=20
verb</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>or something else for vocal/snare =3D<BR>>>for=20
the=3D20<BR>>>players to hear. Paris=20
has</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>spoiled me in that regard.=20
=3D<BR>>>Effects=3D20<BR>>>galore! Maybe that's a =
mechanism=20
for</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>the Paris engine while tracking? =3D<BR>>>Live=20
Mix=3D20<BR>>>mode and throw effects=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>across a vocal there? 1.5ms =3D<BR>>>shouldn't=20
hurt=3D20<BR>>>too=20
badly.</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have some serious learning to do =
with<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>Cubase=3D20<BR>>>before a tracking=20
session!</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My experience has been pretty much=20
=3D<BR>>>midi for=3D20<BR>>>the most=20
part.</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'll go over all the gear in your =
setup<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>and see=3D20<BR>>>what works for me=20
too.</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>I think we both have to hit the=20
=
hay=3D20<BR> >>now.</FONT></DIV> ; <BR>>><DIV>&=
lt;FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Goodnight and good=20
luck,</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
=
size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV&g t; <BR>>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20=
<BR>>>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=20
0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
=3D<BR>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000=20
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>>> =
<DIV>"Neil"=20
<<A href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:OIIOU@OIU.com">OIIOU@OIU.com</A'>mailto:OIIOU@OIU.com">=
OIIOU@OIU.com</A</A>>>=20
=3D<BR>>>wrote in=3D20<BR>>> message=20
<A=3D20<BR>>> =3D<BR>>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'news:471d93c5$1@linux">news:471d93c5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>OOOo=
'>news:471d93c5$1@linux">news:471d93c5$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
;<BR>OOOo</A>=3D<BR>>>ooOOH!=3D20 <BR>>> =20
Another "help me spend my money" thread - I LOVE<BR>these!=20
=3D<BR>>><BR>>> lol<BR><BR>OK, but in =
all=20
seriousness, I'm really sorry your rig has=3D20<BR>>> =20
gone<BR>belly-up... I'm not familiar with some of the gear=20
=3D<BR>>>you're<BR>talking=3D20 <BR>>> about, =
but I can=20
tell you something affordable AND<BR>high-quality, =
=3D<BR>>>and=20
that's=3D20<BR>>> basically my i/o rig which is=20
as<BR>follows:<BR><BR& ;gt;2x RME Multifaces<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>- these=3D20<BR>>> are fucking clean as =
hell and if=20
you<BR>don't like the sound of the=3D20<BR>>> =
convertors,=20
then you're not really<BR>looking for "pristine", I can=20
=3D<BR>>>tellya=3D20<BR>>> that. Pick 'em up used=20
or<BR>new, they're out there in both worlds. I<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>would=3D20<BR>>> recommend =
buying<BR>new PCI=20
cards, since there are probably some older<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>ones=3D20<BR>>> that<BR>have a =
power mod issue=20
if you buy them =3D<BR>>>used.<BR> <BR>=20
***=3D20<BR>>> Two Multifascia will give you 16 analog =
in's=20
&=3D20<BR>>> either<BR> 12 or 20 digital in's, =
total=20
=3D<BR>>>-=3D20<BR>>> depending on your<BR> =
samplerate.=20
Outs =3D<BR>>>are the=3D20<BR>>> same #'s as =
above.<BR>=20
*** These are PCI-based, as opposed to=20
=3D<BR>>>FW-based,=3D20<BR>>> which<BR> =
means, as far as=20
I can tell, a =3D<BR>>>more=3D20<BR>>> solid, more =
reliable<BR> throughput in =3D<BR>>>terms =
of=3D20<BR>>> =20
bandwidth... guys here like Chris<BR> =3D<BR>>>L.,=20
Chuck,=3D20<BR>>> or Dedric, etc. can give you more=20
=3D<BR>>>technical<BR> =3D20<BR>>> =
data/specs on this,=20
but from my own experience, I can=3D20<BR>>> =
tell<BR> you=20
I've tracked 21/22 channels =
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plus scratch<BR> vox, etc, etc) of =3D<BR>>>a=20
band=3D20<BR>>> at a time on a weaker computer<BR> =
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=3D<BR>>>the=3D20<BR>>> setup you listed without a =
glitch.=20
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=3D<BR>>>concern,=3D20<BR>>> so I thought =
I'd<BR>=20
mention =3D<BR>>>this.<BR> ***=3D20<BR>>> =
Focusrite ISA=20
428 WITH the digital interface card=3D20<BR>>> =
option.<BR>=20
They now also have an 828 - =3D<BR>>>this =
is=3D20<BR>>> a=20
GREAT preamp with<BR> an ass-kickin'=20
=3D<BR>>>digicard=3D20<BR>>> with a softlimit =
feature=20
that<BR> sounds =3D<BR>>>great=3D20<BR>>> on =
certain=20
things like bass, kick & snare.=3D20<BR>>> =
I<BR> bring=20
this unit up because it =3D<BR>>>enables =
more=3D20<BR>>> =20
channels of<BR> input, in this case you =3D<BR>>>can=20
go=3D20<BR>>> lightpipe at up to 96k<BR> into the=20
=3D<BR>>>Multiface...=3D20<BR>>> it's a nice =
smooth preamp,=20
too.<BR> Even =3D<BR>>>if=3D20<BR>>> you're =
not looking=20
for preamps per se', if=3D20<BR>>> you're<BR> =
starting a new=20
build it's an=3D20<BR>>> affordable interface that =
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really =3D<BR>>>should=3D20<BR>>> consider... the =
428 also=20
gives you an =3D<BR>>>extra<BR> =3D20<BR>>> =
4 channels=20
of external analog i/o when you get=3D20<BR>>> =
the<BR>=20
digicard option! You can pick =3D<BR>>>these =
up=3D20<BR>>> =20
used for in the<BR> $1600 range WITH the =3D<BR>>>card=20
if=3D20<BR>>> you look around a bit.<BR> *** MOTU =
8Pre -=20
this has 8 decent =3D<BR>>>preamps,=3D20<BR>>> =
nice &=20
clean, but<BR> the key is =3D<BR>>>it's =
got=3D20<BR>>> =20
lightpipe out, so again, you're<BR> =3D<BR>>>adding=20
to=3D20<BR>>> your i/o capacity here. The pres=20
sound=3D20<BR>>> pretty<BR> good, with nice =
headroom, and=20
=3D<BR>>>it's=3D20<BR>>> convenient to =
lightpipe<BR> out=20
to your =3D<BR>>>2nd=3D20<BR>>> Multiface, =
especially for=20
things =3D<BR>>>like<BR> toms=3D20<BR>>> or =
a secondary=20
bass channel that you don't need=3D20<BR>>> to<BR> =
monitor=20
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to=3D20<BR>>> tape...=20
errr..<BR> DISK! =3D<BR> >><BR><BR>Honestly =20
this=3D20<BR>>> setup works great for me - it's not=20
as<BR>sophisticated as a big MADI<BR>> =3D<BR>>>rig,=20
and=3D20<BR>>> it might not be quite =
as<BR>high-end as some=20
Apogeezus thang, but damn<BR>> =
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| Re: Paris is mostly gone and Cubase is the new mothership. Help [message #92057 is a reply to message #92047] |
Fri, 26 October 2007 22:34 |
Paul Artola
Messages: 161
Registered: November 2005
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No, it's a newer card. I bought it brand new through Chris Ludwig in
the beginning of '07. Used it for a few months and it worked great -
the whole RME package.
However, when I got the Tascam board, it made sense to us the MOTU
2408 setup, since both have 24 channels of TDIF built in. So that is
my main i/o interface and it rocks.
Thanks for the plug. Also, glad your surgery went well. Hope your
recovery is speedy and uneventful.
- Paul Artola
Elliott City, Maryland
On 27 Oct 2007 12:38:06 +1000, "Neil" <OIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>EK Sound <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote:
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>>I will echo the RME suggestion... just plain works, and sounds great.
>>
>>David.
>
>And look, Paul Artola's selling a Multiface/PCI card combo
>right now on the Paris F.S. section! ($500 - that's a good
>price for both, even if the card is older than v1.7, which I
>don't know if it is or not... if it is older than that, Synthax
>can upgrade the power section for about $45).
>
>Neil
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