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| What else is there? [message #61059] |
Wed, 07 December 2005 09:48  |
Greg Bratton
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>>for a real project studio.
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>>I have:
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>>Paris 442 + IF2 w/ C16
>>Mackie 14ch board
>>Electric Guitars
>>Acoustic Guitars
>>Bass Guitar
>>Guitar Port
>>Korg N5ex
>>Drum Soundfont
>>Cakewalk Sonar
>>AT4033 Condenser Mic
>>Isolation Booth (for vocals, acoustics)
>>Various audio programs (Soundforge, CD Arch)
>>A slow Pent IV that has seemed to be fast enough to work with all of this
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>>and will soon have:
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>>A nice set of reference monitors.
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>>My question is, I consider myself more of an artist than a producer,
>>however....what else do I need???
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>>My current system is:
>>1. I program the drums in Sonar using my drum soundfont I like....
>>2. I add any keyboard tracks in sonar...(piano, organ)
>>3. With three clicks at the beginning, I import and line up those tracks
>one
>>at a time into Paris
>>4. Usually just record the Bass Guitar direct to Paris
>>5. I add my Guitar tracks with Guitar Port
>>6. I record my live tracks in the Iso booth (C16 with long cable is handy
>
>>here)
>>7. I mix down in Paris using mostly the included effects
>>8. I render out and master in Soundforge
>>9. I burn CD in CD Architect
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>>And hopefully, with the new reference speakers, the CDs will sound good.
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>>However, when I read the posts on here, I hardly know what a lot of the
>
>>equipment I hear talked about even is.
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>>What I need to know is, is there an area in my studio or process that is
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| Re: What else is there? [message #61065 is a reply to message #61063] |
Wed, 07 December 2005 11:37  |
TCB
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p on the opamp. With this console selling at a much lower price per
> channel than the S-100, I'd be surprised if it were any good. As a
> reference
> point, my Mackie VLZ mixer was a much better mixer than the S-100 in all
> categories.
>
> The Malcom Toft mixer on the other hand, has me very interested. From
> what
> I read it seems to be a great bang for the buck.
> :-)
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>I've been wondering about how the new Toft and/or Trident boards might
>>work
>
>>in this capacity. Seems like a reasonable price for an analog mix bus plus
>
>>you get a full blown mixer when needed.? Am I nuts?
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4396930f$1@linux...
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>>> Hey DJ,
>>> I would have to say yes..By adding a nice summing device would do
>>> wonders
>>> for apps like Nuendo/SX and PT. It's amazing when I run stero out to a
> SSL
>>> console how much this alone helps naitives. Even cheaper, Soundcraft's
>
>>> ghost
>>> console makes for a wonderful summing mixer. Dare I say that even our
>
>>> mighty
>>> Paris get's enhance when routed thru one of the above mentioned
>>> devices..LAD
>>> :)
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>One of my colleagues here who has a fairly hefty PTHD system just send
> me
>>> an
>>>>e-mail with some pretty positive raving about how the D2B opens up the
>>>>soundstage. We will be *doing lunch*later this week and I'll be gioving
>>> this
>>>>a listen.
>>>>
>>>>I've been wondering if this D2B might be the magic bullet for putting
> a
>>>>native system on the same sonic footing as Paris. I may have just picked
>>> up
>>>>a pretty big client with ongoing work involving composing original music
>>> for
>>>>video. This clients sells *lots* of videos so it's got the makings of
>
>>>>being
>>>>one of those situations that I've been hoping for with steady work. I
> just
>>>>got the call about this last night. I'm glad I haven't yet ordered the
>
>>>>parts
>>>>for the new computer. I may be needing to upgrade to Nuendo and to build
>>>>something with a bit more horsepower if this becomes a reality.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>Will use http://www.ultimatesoundarchive.com/sa/search/srchpost2.cfm for my
ferret sounds. Would use legit ferrets, but I'm allergic.
I'm not exactly sure what an "eight ball" is, but if it is in fact a
billiard ball, you can check that off the list. Got it, check.
And, I will make the attac
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| Re: What else is there? [message #61070 is a reply to message #61062] |
Wed, 07 December 2005 11:04 |
Greg Bratton
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or that LA 80's drum sound)
>>
>> - Pele poster (for inspiration)
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>> and you should be good.
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>> "Greg Bratton" <gregb@seedfaith.org> wrote:
>>>In about a week, I will have completed buying (everything) I think I need
>>
>>>for a real project studio.
>>>
>>>I have:
>>>
>>>Paris 442 + IF2 w/ C16
>>>Mackie 14ch board
>>>Electric Guitars
>>>Acoustic Guitars
>>>Bass Guitar
>>>Guitar Port
>>>Korg N5ex
>>>Drum Soundfont
>>>Cakewalk Sonar
>>>AT4033 Condenser Mic
>>>Isolation Booth (for vocals, acoustics)
>>>Various audio programs (Soundforge, CD Arch)
>>>A slow Pent IV that has seemed to be fast enough to work with all of this
>>>
>>>and will soon have:
>>>
>>>A nice set of reference monitors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>My question is, I consider myself more of an artist than a producer,
>>>however....what else do I need???
>>>
>>>My current system is:
>>>1. I program the drums in Sonar using my drum soundfont I like....
>>>2. I add any keyboard tracks in sonar...(piano, organ)
>>>3. With three clicks at the beginning, I import and line up those tracks
>> one
>>>at a time into Paris
>>>4. Usually just record the Bass Guitar direct to Paris
>>>5. I add my Guitar tracks with Guitar Port
>>>6. I record my live tracks in the Iso booth (C16 with long cable is handy
>>
>>>here)
>>>7. I mix down in Paris using mostly the included effects
>>>8. I render out and master in Soundforge
>>>9. I burn CD in CD Architect
>>>
>>>
>>>And hopefully, with the new reference speakers, the CDs will sound good.
>>>
>>>However, when I read the posts on here, I hardly know what a lot of the
>>
>>>equipment I hear talked about even is.
>>>
>>>What I need to know is, is there an area in my studio or process that
is
>>
>>>missing that could take me to the next level?
>>>If you inherited this studio, what would you add/change to it?
>>>
>>>I know some of it is based on music styles/personal preferences, however,
>> is
>>>there something here that I am obviously overlooking?
>>>
>>>Thank you for taking the time to read and respond!
>>>Greg Bratton
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>ok here goes, get your cup coffee because this will be long.
my setup
asus a7v600
ram 1gig
graphics geforce agp8x
2 eds cards
2mec
2- 8 in cards located in master mec
1- 8 out located in master mec
using 2 monitors
3 harddrives system drive is ntfs, other audio only fat32
I swap over to xp with the purchase of this computer about a year ago. THe
only real problems that I was having was the control 16 for submix b would
not undo from the controller unless I would undo from the editor first and
then the undo light would come on and I could continue, no big deal. THe
other problem was that I would open a
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| Re: What else is there? [message #61075 is a reply to message #61059] |
Wed, 07 December 2005 13:39 |
Mark McDermott
Messages: 204
Registered: February 2006
Location: Portland, OR
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to reinstall xp pro edition and as you guessed no help there. Now when I
launch paris and close it and turn the computer back on I am seeing the micrsoft
has encountered serious problem would you like to send this. So that is about
it. I have quite a few session to do and three or four prj to mix and I
am in trouble. I certainly appreciate you all and the news group. I don't
post much at all, but what would we do without having the newsgroup.
David PSome thoughts below:
David Posey wrote:
> ok here goes, get your cup coffee because this will be long.
> my setup
> asus a7v600
> ram 1gig
> graphics geforce agp8x
> 2 eds cards
> 2mec
> 2- 8 in cards located in master mec
> 1- 8 out located in master mec
> using 2 monitors
> 3 harddrives system drive is ntfs, other audio only fat32
Use only NTFS throughout... avoid FAT32 on XP (personal nightmare
here). Which build of XP are you using? How large is your PSU in the
computer?
> I swap over to xp with the purchase of this computer about a year ago. THe
> only real problems that I was having was the control 16 for submix b would
> not undo from the controller unless I would undo from the editor first and
> then the undo light would come on and I could continue, no big deal.
Some functions on the C16 do not operate correctly unless that C16 had
been selected as default last. Typically, only the faders and channel
select/mute buttons remain with the subgroup selected. All other
functions on the C16's control the last submix selected.
THe
> other problem was that I would open a prj and their would be no audio for
> 15-30 sec. not a big deal either. But sometimes after audio would come in
> upon playback audio would drop out and I would wait for minute or so and
> continue with no problem as long as I did not close the prj and reopen.
There is an unusual amount of wait time for the software to boot under
XP, the more hardware you have, the longer the wait. Our system here
takes almost 90 Sec to settle down on loading a project. This is
notmal under the XP beta driver.
Several
> ago the computer started crashing and I would get the exception error, no
> time to hit crt s it would go to a black screen and reboot.
> So, I decided to check the connections on eds card and reseat them and paid
> close attention to the interface cables on the eds cards upon launching Paris
> the message that the eds card were not hooked up correctly. I pulled the
> old manual out and made sure that I had the cables right to no avail. Yesterday,
> I hooked up master card a to mec b and the audio never dropped out and the
> audio was present everytime I open a prj. So, I thought maybe the problem
> with the card maybe something to do with the mec and I connected a 442 interface
> in place of the mec and still get the same error with the cards not being
> hooked up right. I also did a fresh install of Paris and went thru all of
> the steps very carefu
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| Re: What else is there? [message #61076 is a reply to message #61070] |
Wed, 07 December 2005 13:42 |
TCB
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lly to no avail. The last thing that I have done was
> to reinstall xp pro edition and as you guessed no help there. Now when I
> launch paris and close it and turn the computer back on I am seeing the micrsoft
> has encountered serious problem would you like to send this. So that is about
> it.
Did you do the complete Paris install with the FX subsystem files etc?
I have quite a few session to do and three or four prj to mix and I
> am in trouble. I certainly appreciate you all and the news group. I don't
> post much at all, but what would we do without having the newsgroup.
> David PThe fridge is called a "Coolie". But it's made in China.
"Mike Claytor" <claytor@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:43973e90$1@linux...
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> "DC" <dc@spamthemoon.com> wrote:
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>>http://www.hottieamps.com/
>
>
> Wonder if they do old fridges and stoves?
>
> I need a "stack!"can't I change these other fat32 drives to ntfs without formating and do I
have to worry about losing data. My power suppy is 400 watts.I did a complete
Paris install with the subsytem as well. I forgot to mention earlier that
when I started having the problems that I was being prompted to enter a new
record path when trying to do overdubs.
Thanks, David P
>Some thoughts below:
>
>David Posey wrote:
>> ok here goes, get your cup coffee because this will be long.
>> my setup
>> asus a7v600
>> ram 1gig
>> graphics geforce agp8x
>> 2 eds cards
>> 2mec
>> 2- 8 in cards located in master mec
>> 1- 8 out located in master mec
>> using 2 monitors
>> 3 harddrives system drive is ntfs, other audio only fat32
>
>Use only NTFS throughout... avoid FAT32 on XP (personal nightmare
>here). Which build of XP are you using? How large is your PSU in the
>computer?
>
>> I swap over to xp with the purchase of this computer about a year ago.
THe
>> only real problems that I was having was the control 16 for submix b would
>> not undo from the controller unless I would undo from the editor first
and
>> then the undo light would come on and I could continue, no big deal.
>
>Some functions on the C16 do not operate correctly unless that C16 had
>been selected as default last. Typically, only the faders and channel
>select/mute buttons remain with the subgroup selected. All other
>functions on the C16's control the last submix selected.
>
> THe
>> other problem was that I would open a prj and their would be no audio
for
>> 15-30 sec. not a big deal either. But sometimes after audio would come
in
>> upon playback audio would drop out and I would wait for minute or so and
>> continue with no problem as long as I did not close the prj and reopen.
>
>There is an unusual amount of wait time for the software to boot under
>XP, the more hardware you have, the longer the wait. Our system here
>takes almost 90 Sec to settle down on loading a project. This is
>notmal under the XP beta driver.
>
> Several
>> ago the computer started crashing and I would get the exception error,
no
>> time to hit crt s it would go to a black screen and reboot.
>> So, I decided to check the connections on eds card and reseat them and
paid
>> close attention to the interface cables on the eds cards upon launching
Paris
>> the message that the eds card were not hooked up correctly. I pulled the
>> old manual out and made sure that I had the cables right to no avail.
Yesterday,
>> I hooked up master card a to mec b and the audio never dropped out and
the
>> audio was present everytime I open a prj. So, I thought maybe the problem
>> with the card maybe something to do with the mec and I connected a 442
interface
>> in place of the mec and still get the same error with the cards not being
>> hooked up right. I also did a fresh install of Paris and went thru all
of
>> the steps very carefully to no avail. The last thing that I have done
was
>> to reinstall xp pro edition and as you guessed no help there. Now when
I
>> launch paris and close it and turn the computer back on I am seeing the
micrsoft
>> has encountered serious problem would you like to send this. So that is
about
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| Re: What else is there? [message #61102 is a reply to message #61085] |
Thu, 08 December 2005 01:58 |
rick
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hole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>That's very cool man. Wish that had worked for me a couple years back.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"Kim W." <no@friggin.way> wrote in message news:43970001$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Was just about ready to buy me an RME card for my Cubase box (running
>>VSTi's)
>>> to slave to Paris via adat sync, and I thought I'd
>>> try my Dakota with the latest incarnation of Cubase SX before kissing
>the
>>> Dak a final goodbye, and, well... IT SYNC'D.
>>> Time and time again, all day. Most solid sync yet.
>>> Boy, what a christmas present!!
>>> Is it a dream?, or will I wake up next to that soak of a drummer again??
>>>
>>
>>
>Congratulations!
Gene
"Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Hey folks,
>
>If you're in the US, BMG label group has just released "Sounds of the
>Season" a country collection, with various artists from the BMG Nashville
>label roster, exclusively for Target stores. It's actually a pretty good
>Christmas record, some old, some new, with some pretty good performances.
>Anyway, Phil Vassar threw me a bone, and let me mix his contribution to
the
>record, "Let's Make a Little Christmas Tonight". It's the first mix that
>I've done in Paris that was commercailly released. Everything else I've
>done to date has been mixed on a console. Pray for me over the holidays...
>I'm going to try to migrate one of my rigs to XP.
>
>CL
>
>I'm not Thad, and I'm not from England... ;-)
I was actually suggesting a total nuke and pave, much more reliable
than converting a drive.
DAVID, from Canada... eh. ;-)
Martin Harrington wrote:
> I don't think that's quite true Thad.
> You can convert any drive to NTFS without loosing any data, (just did it).
>If you turn it on, they will spend longer in the studio.... you make
more money! :-)
David. (rushing out to buy lava lamps....)
rick wrote:
> just don't turn it on if other musicians show up as they tend to just
> stare at it and nothing gets done.
>
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:55:01 -0600, "Aaron Allen"
> <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>
>>Dude, you forgot the most important piece of allllll......
>>the lavalamp. :)
>>
>>Good to see you 'round here again.
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43972739$1@linux...
>>
>>>You're almost there. You still need
>>>
>>>- a ferret (two or even three would be better, but one will do, especially
>>>if it's a vintage ferret)
>>>
>>>- an eight ball (for that LA 80's drum sound)
>>>
>>>- Pele poster (for inspiration)
>>>
>>>and you should be good.
>>>
>>>"Greg Bratton" <gregb@seedfaith.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In about a week, I will have completed buying (everything) I think I need
>>>
>>>>for a r
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| Re: What else is there? [message #61111 is a reply to message #61102] |
Thu, 08 December 2005 08:38 |
EK Sound
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w.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/08/051208165224.vwtld5 id.html
>
>
> Honestly, I would prefer some dope-addled lefty moron to get a
> grammy over the princess of payola...
>
> damn!
>EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>You didn't..... acutally.... watch it.... did you??? ;-)
Nah, although the spectacle of the Jethro Tull metal award years ago, makes
it almost worth watching just to see if another complete
trainwreck happens, but no it just isn't worth it
DCDid you guys see the Royal Albert Hall Cream concert?
Here in the US it has been on public TV recently. Dang, those guys
can still do it. They look like hell, but man they are playing great.
I never realized how truly impressive Jack Bruce's bass playing was
years ago. During solos, he actually brings them close to great
jazz with these amazing bass parts.
I really enjoyed that show. Hope you got to see it.
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As long as they sell a few more units.
Tom
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was freaked out by the "almost real" characters. -and not in a good way.
I think the obvious answer is, who hasn't heard a crappy sampled
snare/hi-hat, etc. It makes you cringe because you know the sample isn't
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| Re: What else is there? [message #61143 is a reply to message #61111] |
Fri, 09 December 2005 01:31 |
rick
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/>
Tony will post some MP3 and Wav files that were Recorded By
Roger Nichols for NARAS
( National Academy of Recording Arts and Science )
http://www.rogernichols.com/
Here is the Challenge - there are 5 mics in the Shoot out:
TELEFUNKEN U47
SOUNDELUX U95 (AKG C12)
SE GEMINI
SE 5600A
SE ICIS
These are all Tube Mics - The Telefunken and Soundelux
cost Thousands $$$ More !!
Listen to the Samples - then Properly identify the Mics in order.
http://www.mercysakes.com/paris/Morgan%20Pettinato/Mic%20Con test/
You can open any audio app and imort the wave file in order -
or listen to the NUENDO Mp3 file ( Last one in directory )
Anyone that can Properly identify these Mics will Win -
SE Microphone Deluxe Windscreen $ 59 Value
http://www.seelectronics.com/popscreen.html
Planet Waves Mic Cable $69 Value
http://www.planet-waves.com/Pcablesdetails.aspx?ID=2
Files are posted @
www.mercysakes.com
Good Luck !!
Please send your entry to:
Morgan@Eastcoastmusicmall.com
Any questions - Call or Email me
Morgan
Eastcoast Music Mall
800-901-2001That sounds like a very collectible recording tonehouse. Have you circulated
it as a boot? Are there any other bootleg recordings in circulation from
that date?
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message news:4398f3cf@linux...
> I have a reel-to-reel Tape of The Cream Live Oct 1968,Chastain
Park,Atlanta
> Ga..I was 15..My friend, who owned a music store, knew the sound man,and
he
> let us set up 2 mics and tape it in stereo,at the board position...They
did
> basically the same songs back then,as on the RAH DVD..I assume they also
> taped the MSG concerts in Oct.....The new DVD sounds nothing like the
"old
> Cream"...I totally liked Clapton when he played his Gibson SG (as he did
on
> Live at the Fillmore)..his Strat tones are not nearly as
"psychedelic"..and
> of course the Drums and Bass also sound much cleaner now....Bruce's new
> version of "Train Time" was just awesome...
> "DC" <dc@spamthegrammys.com> wrote in message news:43989adb$1@linux...
> >
> > Did you guys see the Royal Albert Hall Cream concert?
> >
> > Here in the US it has been on public TV recently. Dang, those guys
> > can still do it. They look like hell, but man they are playing great.
> >
> > I never realized how truly impressive Jack Bruce's bass playing was
> > years ago. During solos, he actually brings them close to great
> > jazz with these amazing bass parts.
> >
> > I really enjoyed that show. Hope you got to see it.
> >
> > DC
>
>There are sometimes you have a device like an AD converter or an external
hardware device that although it has digitalins outs it does not have any
wordclock in/out.
I suggest Behringer's old SRC-2000 dejitter,converter unit that has wordclock
input so you can put the digital signal first into that device and have it
reclock to desired 44.1khz and then take its spdif to Paris.
Another nice addition is Soundpals ADAT3 and 4.
This is a AES/EBU to ADAT converter with wordclock in out.
I picked both at ebay at a very very nice price.
So I can take the AES out of my DBX 376 the AES of AES 386 and the AES of
SRC-2000 that accepts a great self made crystal AD converter of 120 db
dynamic range ! spdif's out and sends all these aes/ebu signals to ADAT and
inside Paris.
Note that Soundpal's Adat4 is a ADAT to AES converter and both are 20 bits
!!
I guess these have been made for Paris adat cards !
Regards,
DimitriosHi Neil,
I don't think there's any way to know how much I lose for not
having PT. I sometimes wonder how much business I lose for
not having a Steinway too (I have a Baldwin...). I do, in fact,
have PT LE w/ a Digi 002. When people ask, I tell them that I
have Protools and Digital Performer, but I usually use Paris
because it sounds better.
Maybe business is just off in general. I've actually been taking
some courses in video production and engineering. Could be
time for a career change!
By the way... My website is finally back. No audio samples
yet, and it still needs some work, but here 'tis:
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