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RZ
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t Loaf at Wolf Trap...
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>"Enjoy every sandwich." -- Warren Zevon
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>"Here at Microsoft, Quality is job, oh, I dunno, maybe 7 or 8?"Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>People --
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>Having unhappy time with midi lately... These days I run Paris and
>Cubase SX on separate machines, slaving SX to Paris via ADAT out to
>RME in, so this would be a non-Paris topic, I guess... Except as it
>possibly relates to sync issues...
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>Anyway -- Mostly work with VSTi's in SX, which are peachy fine, but
>still like to use a c
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| Re: Is it possible to sidechain EDS comps/limiters in Paris? [message #57149 is a reply to message #57130] |
Mon, 22 August 2005 12:41 |
zmora
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>business at all on that bus. Unfortunately, MS has little regard for the
>sanctity of exact timing, so the PCI bus is not much different, though a
bit
>better. Now it's all up to the software to make it work right or not,
>whereas cards like the infamous MQX-32 were ROCK solid performers.... too
>bad those are all ISA slots, just try finding a place to plant one of these
>(or drivers in Win2k/XP to run it).
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>AA
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>"Mike Audet" <mike@MikeF-SPAMAudet.com> wrote:
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>I did a lot of testing in this area. Here's what I found:
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>Windows XP can do somewhat tight MIDI timing as long as it does nothin else.
Gonna have to disagree with you there, I'm running SX on XP
and I can retrack a MIDI track to regenerate a different audio
track (you know, if I want to change the sound a bit, for
example) from an existing MIDI track with no perceptible drift.
Perhaps it has more to do with the type of interface you're
using in combination with that?
> As soon as the system gets loaded down with say...dxis, you're doomed.
See above.
>PCI cards are twice as good as USB with the system loaded down, but are
still
>nowhere near good enough (PCI 10ms drift, USB 20 ms drift)
Is this with more CPU load as well? Because I just set up a USB-
based (Lexicon Omega) system on a friends computer & it synced
fine, but
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| Re: Is it possible to sidechain EDS comps/limiters in Paris? [message #57167 is a reply to message #57149] |
Tue, 23 August 2005 03:58 |
Dan B
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80.htmlDan
I done !!!!Even that I working in WinMe.
Just I extracted all to empty folder then I put new Fx from there to system/ensoniq...I
see inWire and OutWire in Paris Fx(insert and aux), no new meter plugin unfortunately(???)
Now I will try it in action...If I can(?)
Zmora
"zmora" <docent191@wp.pl> wrote:
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>Thanks, of course it help me.
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> zmora
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>"dan b" <daniel_burneNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>It's not in the add on FX pack, but it does comes with the FX Subsystem
>for
>>Windows XP. It's called Out Wire. I don't think it's available on ME /
98SE
>>(though it may be possible just to extract these plugs from the subsystem
>>and use them on 98, I couldn't vouch for that though...)
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>>Hope this helps.
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>>Dan
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>>"zmora" <docent191@wp.pl> wrote:
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>>>I have full FX pack, don't see "Chuck's wiring plug".?????
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>>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>Actually, it IS possible. You have to use Chuck's wiring plug in the
FX
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>>>>pack, I think that has been released to the public?
>>>>Stock, Paris will not do this w/o some creative use/thinking, a few I/O's
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>>>>and an external compressor.
>>>>AA
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>>>>"RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:4307dc42@linux...
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| Re: Is it possible to sidechain EDS comps/limiters in Paris? [message #57174 is a reply to message #57172] |
Tue, 23 August 2005 07:06 |
zmora
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>>>>>it's reliability recently.
>>>>>rod
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>>>>Rod,
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>>>>I've been using www.whalemail.com so far, so good.
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>>>>Craig M.
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>Seemed all working in Win ME too but I don't understend point of I/Out Wire
plugins.I can't do side chain compressor at all ( even that I knew rules
of this method).Explain me please how it make in Paris ?
"zmora" <docent191@wp.pl> wrote:
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>O.K just I cutch it, two meters plugins mono&stereo - tryed and working
well
>in Win Me
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>"zmora" <docent191@wp.pl> wrote:
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>>Dan
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>>I done !!!!Even that I working in WinMe.
>>Just I extracted all to empty folder then I put new Fx from there to system/ensoniq...I
>>see inWire and OutWire in Paris Fx(insert and aux), no new meter plugin
>unfortunately(???)
>>Now I will try it in action...If I can(?)
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>> Zmora
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>>"zmora" <docent191@wp.pl> wrote:
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>>>Thanks, of course it help me.
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>>> zmora
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>>>"dan b" <daniel_burneNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>It's not in the add on FX pack, but it does comes with the FX Subsystem
>>>for
>>>>Windows XP. It's called Out Wire. I don't think it's available on ME
/
>>98SE
>>>>(though it may be possible just to extract these plugs from the subsystem
>>>>and use them on 98, I couldn't vouch for that though...)
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>>>>Hope this helps.
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>>>>Dan
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>>>>"zmora" <docent191@wp.pl> wrote:
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>>>>>I have full FX pack, don't see "Chuck's wiring plug".?????
>>>>>
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>>>>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>>Actually, it IS possible. You have to use Chuck's wiring plug in the
>>FX
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>>>>>>pack, I think that has been released to the public?
>>>>>>Stock, Paris will not do this w/o some creative use/thinking, a few
>I/O's
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>>>>>>and an external compressor.
>>>>>>AA
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| Re: Is it possible to sidechain EDS comps/limiters in Paris? [message #57175 is a reply to message #57174] |
Tue, 23 August 2005 07:18 |
zmora
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;>>>"RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:4307dc42@linux...
>>>>>>> That would require an output and input that I've never seen. If
they
>>>>>>> existed the routing would have to appear in the patchbay window with
>>>>a
>>>>>>> separate module labeled effects sidechain I/O.
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>>>>>>> I would probably use the channel inserts to run through an analog
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>>>>>>> compressor
>>>>>>> if you have one with a sidechain.
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>>>>>>> RZ
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>>>>>>> "Rob Arsenault" <mani2@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4306a013$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> Scaning the manual but not finding anything about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
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>>>>>>>
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>I have a pair of the new 46's and a stock
23. I am loving the 46's--have used them
on electric guitars (sound great, equally
as good as my Royers), acoustic guitars
(a very nice wood sound), and just used
them as room mics on a drum kit and they
killed. I have used the 23 on all of the
above with similar results. My next step
is to get the Cinemag transformer for the
23 and see what that does. I'll leave the
46's stock.
For that kind of money, they are a steal...
Be sure and tell him you heard of them though
me :).
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote:
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>John, I was wondering what you thought of the Shiny Box ribbon mics now,
after
>you've had a chance to work with them for a while. Do you have the 23 and
>the 23c??? I'm pretty interested in getting a ribbon mic, and at these prices,
>I just may be able to get a pair.
>Rod"Oh, and my brother hasn't touched it, so it can't be him...
;o)"...you do sleep don't you?
what type does the mfg. recommend?
On 23 Aug 2005 21:35:27 +1000, "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>" but the ram passes the 4 hours of testing I gave it."
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>>kim, that means nothing in the land of puters.
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>Yep. I take that on board. I must say I have certainly not ruled out ram.
>It was pretty much my first guess, and having chased a few other options
>down now it's coming up on the list again. I have two sticks so I can swap
>out one, then the other, but of course they are identical, so if it's a compatibility
>thing I'll be lost still, but I may fiddle with latency and the like and
>see what I can learn. That's next on my list. It's going to be hard though
>of it's simply a ram compatibility issue.
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>I did buy cheap ram though, so it's certainly on my mind.
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>Thanks for the advice.
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| Re: Is it possible to sidechain EDS comps/limiters in Paris? [message #57179 is a reply to message #57175] |
Tue, 23 August 2005 09:04 |
zmora
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>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote:
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>>>John, I was wondering what you thought of the Shiny Box ribbon mics now,
>>after
>>>you've had a chance to work with them for a while. Do you have the 23
and
>>>the 23c??? I'm pretty interested in getting a ribbon mic, and at these
>prices,
>>>I just may be able to get a pair.
>>>Rod
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>I tried sending out of the spdif on the mec to the spdif on my comp sound
card.
I got nothing....
I was trying to use a standard analog rca cable like for audio on a vcr.
Is that my problem?
I have since then purchased a real spdif digital cable that I will be trying...
One thing struck me as odd though....
I tried patching "external" from the global master insert to the digital
outs.
In the past whenever I inserted the EXTERNAL in the global inserts without
it returning in the patchbay I got no audio from paris. Which is how it should
be right??....
The chain is broken until the return is fed back in I thiought.
But durning this attempt the PARIS audio was audible all the time even when
I insert EXTERNAL in the global inserts with nothing mapped in the patch
bay.
Odd right??I guess this question is for Doug Wellington, if he is still around. Just
wondering if this change to Intel for Apple makes anything easier should
you ever get time to work on that transfer.
Also, I am wondering if Paris might work on Apples new Intel machines like
it works on the newer Windows machines as is?
Anyone got any thougts about this............
Lou"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in news:4302b173$1@linux:
> Well the fundamental of the low E on a bass is 41 Hz, and
> guitar it's, of course, twice that, so you don't want to
> completely lop off any higher than those levels, but you can
> certainly approach those, depending on the song & style. Lots
> of rock guitar tracks have plenty of energy below 100hz, but
> below 80 is where it starts to gradually turn into more & more
> muck. You get some of these modern rocker guys who tune down a
> step or use drop-D tuning, and your low string is now something
> like 72-73 hz, you wanna lop everything below 100 off of that?
> If you're talking about lead tracks - solos where they
> don't go down into that range, then yeah you could Lo-pass at a
> much higher level if you wanted to, & not hurt anything (as long
> as you're not using too gentle of a slope & start cutting off
> more than you intend to).
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> Neil
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I suppose it just boils down to working methodologies. The stuff I'm
mixing (rock, metal, hardcore)I beat to death on the low end with EQ.
I'll hack bass guitar at 150 if I have to... fundamentals be damned. Make
it up in the upper octaves with the overtones. I'm learning how to
*IMPLY* bass energy without actually using the fundamental tones that you
would say "Hey, that's a low ass note there" while playing it over 12"
speakers. Take that same material with all the low-end and play it on
your boom box and it's all, "Hey, where's the bass guitar?"
Same thing with kick. Brutal. Disgusting at times... but when I ref. it
against popular program material, I'm right in the game.
Anyshit.. enough about me.
-volthauserick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>you do sleep don't you?
Yeh! It was only 9:30pm here when I wrote that.
>what type does the mfg. recommend?
I had a look last night and can't for the life of me find a recomendation
anywhere. I checked the website, and read the MB manual, and neither seems
to indicate any preference memory wise.
The more I'm thinking about it the more I'm going back to memory being the
culprit. Only issue is that the only ram I have which I could swap out with
it is probably the same stick as what's in there.
I'll go out tonight and have another look and see what I can learn...
Cheers,
Kim.I'mn trying to decide whether to get the 23c or the stock 23.
What would you sa
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