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Recording Drums [message #69919]

Mon, 03 July 2006 10:53

brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006

Senior Member

I have heard about recording drums without playing the crash cymbals and then
adding them in later as samples.
Is something that is done a lot?
I can see where it would help to keep the beat uniform and give greater flexibility
in the mix.
Any thoughts on this?

Thanks,
B

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69924 is a reply to message #69919]

Mon, 03 July 2006 11:39

rick

Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006

Senior Member

the biggest problem is getting the drummer to agree...then getting him
to remember that he agreed...then getting him do it without a naked
chick around....

if you do use this method i would record the kits crash and insert it
where needed if for no other reason than its natural sustain vs the
chopped sample version will be superior.

On 4 Jul 2006 03:53:08 +1000, "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:

>
>I have heard about recording drums without playing the crash cymbals and then
>adding them in later as samples.
>Is something that is done a lot?
>I can see where it would help to keep the beat uniform and give greater flexibility
>in the mix.
>Any thoughts on this?
>
>Thanks,
>B

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69925 is a reply to message #69919]

Mon, 03 July 2006 11:53

Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006

Senior Member

"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>I have heard about recording drums without playing the crash cymbals and
then
>adding them in later as samples.
>Is something that is done a lot?
>I can see where it would help to keep the beat uniform and give greater
flexibility
>in the mix.
>Any thoughts on this?

If you have a good drummer, it shouldn't have any bearing on the
beat being more uniform or not - if the guy has bad timing,
he's going to have bad timing on a kick/snare/hat kit as well as
a full kit.

The thing you (or really, he) needs to decide is: "do I mind
if it sounds like an overdub?" because when there are no cymbals
to hit, chances are he's going to play hats straight through
parts where there's going to be a crash... if there's a tom
fill, he might come out of it later than he would if he were
going to nail the crash at the top of the next measure - he
might throw an extra tom hit in there, etc. So it can
easily come out sounding like an overdub (or like Simon Phillips
were playing - take your pick :) ) But if that doesn't bother
you, go for it - I can think of a few songs with various
overdubbed drums on them... "Red Rain" comes to mind.

If you do it, make sure you record the overheads and any room
mics for the drum-only part, too - unless you want a much more
discrete drum sound, that is.

But why replace the cymbals with samples? Why not just have the
guy do it as a regular overdub if you're going to go this route?
Does the guy have crap cymbals or something like that?

Neil

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69926 is a reply to message #69924]

Mon, 03 July 2006 11:59

Rich[3]
Messages: 132
Registered: January 2006

Senior Member

Hey as drummer I resemble that.
Are you saying we have short memories and like naked chicks (at least your
half right) or was that we drive bad and crash alot or a naked drummer crashed
at your house ... whatever anyway back to the porn site.

rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>the biggest problem is getting the drummer to agree...then getting him
>to remember that he agreed...then getting him do it without a naked
>chick around....
>
>if you do use this method i would record the kits crash and insert it
>where needed if for no other reason than its natural sustain vs the
>chopped sample version will be superior.
>
>On 4 Jul 2006 03:53:08 +1000, "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I have heard about recording drums without playing the crash cymbals and
then
>>adding them in later as samples.
>>Is something that is done a lot?
>>I can see where it would help to keep the beat uniform and give greater
flexibility
>>in the mix.
>>Any thoughts on this?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>B
>

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69929 is a reply to message #69926]

Mon, 03 July 2006 12:54

rick

Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006

Senior Member

errr...yes to all the above...errr...below...i think...okay...you're
scaring me through a series of bad memories...thanks...sigh...

On 4 Jul 2006 04:59:25 +1000, "rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Hey as drummer I resemble that.
> Are you saying we have short memories and like naked chicks (at least your
>half right) or was that we drive bad and crash alot or a naked drummer crashed
>at your house ... whatever anyway back to the porn site.
>
>
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>the biggest problem is getting the drummer to agree...then getting him
>>to remember that he agreed...then getting him do it without a naked
>>chick around....
>>
>>if you do use this method i would record the kits crash and insert it
>>where needed if for no other reason than its natural sustain vs the
>>chopped sample version will be superior.
>>
>>On 4 Jul 2006 03:53:08 +1000, "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I have heard about recording drums without playing the crash cymbals and
>then
>>>adding them in later as samples.
>>>Is something that is done a lot?
>>>I can see where it would help to keep the beat uniform and give greater
>flexibility
>>>in the mix.
>>>Any thoughts on this?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>B
>>

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69935 is a reply to message #69919]

Mon, 03 July 2006 21:03

LaMont jjdpro2amerite
Messages: 2
Registered: January 2006

Junior Member

I always ask "busy" drummers to play with out adding crashes.. Just groove..
Drummers have a way of playing too much cymbals which can get in the way
of the track.. I have over 100 gig of cymbals samples that always work better
than if the drummer does it..

"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>I have heard about recording drums without playing the crash cymbals and
then
>adding them in later as samples.
>Is something that is done a lot?
>I can see where it would help to keep the beat uniform and give greater
flexibility
>in the mix.
>Any thoughts on this?
>
>Thanks,
>B

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69940 is a reply to message #69935]

Tue, 04 July 2006 05:14

Don Nafe

Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

No offense here guys but ttis is like asking a guitar player to leave all
his notes on the 1st string out.

Although I will say it forces the drummer to concentrate on the groove of
the song...just make sure that they (the band) know this before they come in
to record

Don

<LaMont jjdpro2ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44a9e887$1@linux...
>
> I always ask "busy" drummers to play with out adding crashes.. Just
> groove..
> Drummers have a way of playing too much cymbals which can get in the way
> of the track.. I have over 100 gig of cymbals samples that always work
> better
> than if the drummer does it..
>
> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>I have heard about recording drums without playing the crash cymbals and
> then
>>adding them in later as samples.
>>Is something that is done a lot?
>>I can see where it would help to keep the beat uniform and give greater
> flexibility
>>in the mix.
>>Any thoughts on this?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>B
>

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69941 is a reply to message #69940]

Tue, 04 July 2006 07:29

EK Sound

Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005

Senior Member

I just cut the string off when I need this... ;-) Easy, just remove
the cymbals before recording :-) chances are the drummer won't notice
anyway....

David.

Don Nafe wrote:
> No offense here guys but ttis is like asking a guitar player to leave all
> his notes on the 1st string out.
>
> Although I will say it forces the drummer to concentrate on the groove of
> the song...just make sure that they (the band) know this before they come in
> to record
>
> Don
>
>
> <LaMont jjdpro2ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44a9e887$1@linux...
>
>>I always ask "busy" drummers to play with out adding crashes.. Just
>>groove..
>>Drummers have a way of playing too much cymbals which can get in the way
>>of the track.. I have over 100 gig of cymbals samples that always work
>>better
>>than if the drummer does it..
>>
>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I have heard about recording drums without playing the crash cymbals and
>>
>>then
>>
>>>adding them in later as samples.
>>>Is something that is done a lot?
>>>I can see where it would help to keep the beat uniform and give greater
>>
>>flexibility
>>
>>>in the mix.
>>>Any thoughts on this?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>B
>>
>
>

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69942 is a reply to message #69941]

Tue, 04 July 2006 07:52

Don Nafe

Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

C'mon Dave you know you can't play with a missing E string...you wouldn't be
able to do all those Strong Bad "meeedly meeedlies"...you're just pissed you
had to work Canada Day

D

"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:44aa7a8a@linux...
>I just cut the string off when I need this... ;-) Easy, just remove the
>cymbals before recording :-) chances are the drummer won't notice
>anyway....
>
> David.
>
> Don Nafe wrote:
>> No offense here guys but ttis is like asking a guitar player to leave all
>> his notes on the 1st string out.
>>
>> Although I will say it forces the drummer to concentrate on the groove of
>> the song...just make sure that they (the band) know this before they come
>> in to record
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> <LaMont jjdpro2ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44a9e887$1@linux...
>>
>>>I always ask "busy" drummers to play with out adding crashes.. Just
>>>groove..
>>>Drummers have a way of playing too much cymbals which can get in the way
>>>of the track.. I have over 100 gig of cymbals samples that always work
>>>better
>>>than if the drummer does it..
>>>
>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have heard about recording drums without playing the crash cymbals and
>>>
>>>then
>>>
>>>>adding them in later as samples.
>>>>Is something that is done a lot?
>>>>I can see where it would help to keep the beat uniform and give greater
>>>
>>>flexibility
>>>
>>>>in the mix.
>>>>Any thoughts on this?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>B
>>>
>>

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69948 is a reply to message #69940]

Tue, 04 July 2006 08:45

LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005

Senior Member

For sure.I'm mainly talking about projects where I'm the producer.

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>No offense here guys but ttis is like asking a guitar player to leave all

>his notes on the 1st string out.
>
>Although I will say it forces the drummer to concentrate on the groove of

>the song...just make sure that they (the band) know this before they come
in
>to record
>
>Don
>
>
><LaMont jjdpro2ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44a9e887$1@linux...
>>
>> I always ask "busy" drummers to play with out adding crashes.. Just
>> groove..
>> Drummers have a way of playing too much cymbals which can get in the way
>> of the track.. I have over 100 gig of cymbals samples that always work

>> better
>> than if the drummer does it..
>>
>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I have heard about recording drums without playing the crash cymbals and
>> then
>>>adding them in later as samples.
>>>Is something that is done a lot?
>>>I can see where it would help to keep the beat uniform and give greater
>> flexibility
>>>in the mix.
>>>Any thoughts on this?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>B
>>
>
>

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69952 is a reply to message #69919]

Tue, 04 July 2006 14:58

Carl Amburn

Messages: 214
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

Booo. Ney ta ta miss chick-pea.

-Carl

"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:44a95984$1@linux...
>
> I have heard about recording drums without playing the crash cymbals and
then
> adding them in later as samples.
> Is something that is done a lot?
> I can see where it would help to keep the beat uniform and give greater
flexibility
> in the mix.
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks,
> B

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69953 is a reply to message #69952]

Tue, 04 July 2006 16:06

rick

Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006

Senior Member

i never would have pegged you as an abandoned lesbian...gotta be the
Canadian thing...

On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:58:53 -0500, "Carl Amburn"
<carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:

>Booo. Ney ta ta miss chick-pea.
>
>-Carl
>
>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:44a95984$1@linux...
>>
>> I have heard about recording drums without playing the crash cymbals and
>then
>> adding them in later as samples.
>> Is something that is done a lot?
>> I can see where it would help to keep the beat uniform and give greater
>flexibility
>> in the mix.
>> Any thoughts on this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> B
>

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69969 is a reply to message #69940]

Wed, 05 July 2006 15:54

Dubya Mark Wilson

Messages: 108
Registered: May 2006

Senior Member

I disagree. It's more like ty-wrapping a pianist's left hand to his belt
loop. The inexperienced drummer will fill that freq space up beyond
recognition.

W.

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44aa5a8b@linux...
> No offense here guys but ttis is like asking a guitar player to leave all
> his notes on the 1st string out.

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69970 is a reply to message #69953]

Wed, 05 July 2006 15:56

Dubya Mark Wilson

Messages: 108
Registered: May 2006

Senior Member

I think Jodie Foster just entered the room wearing Carl's moniker.

W.

"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r1tla2lipf7jrdk90o2gac9qihioh5agiu@4ax.com...
>i never would have pegged you as an abandoned lesbian...gotta be the
> Canadian thing...
>
> On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:58:53 -0500, "Carl Amburn"
> <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Booo. Ney ta ta miss chick-pea.
>>
>>-Carl

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69972 is a reply to message #69969]

Wed, 05 July 2006 17:27

Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

Good analogy, and an experienced drummer will play them in the right places
anyway.
Rod
"Dubya Mark Wilson" <mark.xspam@avidrecording.com> wrote:
>I disagree. It's more like ty-wrapping a pianist's left hand to his belt

>loop. The inexperienced drummer will fill that freq space up beyond
>recognition.
>
>W.
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44aa5a8b@linux...
>> No offense here guys but ttis is like asking a guitar player to leave
all
>> his notes on the 1st string out.
>
>

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Re: Recording Drums [message #69978 is a reply to message #69970]

Wed, 05 July 2006 21:41

Carl Amburn

Messages: 214
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

I would party/hang with Jodie Foster any day of the week. ;) Tay n da way.

-Carl

"Dubya Mark Wilson" <mark.xspam@avidrecording.com> wrote in message
news:44ac42af$1@linux...
> I think Jodie Foster just entered the room wearing Carl's moniker.
>
> W.
>
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:r1tla2lipf7jrdk90o2gac9qihioh5agiu@4ax.com...
> >i never would have pegged you as an abandoned lesbian...gotta be the
> > Canadian thing...
> >
> > On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:58:53 -0500, "Carl Amburn"
> > <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Booo. Ney ta ta miss chick-pea.
> >>
> >>-Carl
>
>

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