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| MIDI Editing Question [message #75982] |
Tue, 14 November 2006 11:45  |
Neil
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Hopefully someone here knows MIDI better than I do - I work with
MIDI a lot, I haven't really had to do a whole lot of editing in
it, so this one's got me stumped:
I have a Piano track that someone recorded in MIDI, and they
approximated the Tempo, but didn't use a click a as a guide
(just used it to count off at the beginning), so it drifts a LOT.
Now she's changed her mind & wants it locked to the grid, so we
can do some controlled tempo changes in various sections (using
the Tempo Track in SX - that part I get). Problem is, if I start
snapping this thing to grid that it drifted away from so badly
that we'll have phrases overlapping here & there and other
sections that are too far apart in other places... if I edit it
more specifically manually, then it would: a.) take forever, and
b.) still probably have the same spacing issues.
What else can be done? Is there a way to snap the grid to the
notes (Then maybe do SOME manual edits afterwards)? IOW, is
there a way that the MIDI app can extract the tempo from the
phrasing & adjust the grid accordingly?
Neil
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| Re: MIDI Editing Question [message #75983 is a reply to message #75982] |
Tue, 14 November 2006 11:12  |
rick
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have you tried setting your snap to triplets? she may be playing on
32nds for some notes. it won't put it into perfect time but then who
wants that.
On 15 Nov 2006 05:45:59 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>Hopefully someone here knows MIDI better than I do - I work with
>MIDI a lot, I haven't really had to do a whole lot of editing in
>it, so this one's got me stumped:
>
>I have a Piano track that someone recorded in MIDI, and they
>approximated the Tempo, but didn't use a click a as a guide
>(just used it to count off at the beginning), so it drifts a LOT.
>
>Now she's changed her mind & wants it locked to the grid, so we
>can do some controlled tempo changes in various sections (using
>the Tempo Track in SX - that part I get). Problem is, if I start
>snapping this thing to grid that it drifted away from so badly
>that we'll have phrases overlapping here & there and other
>sections that are too far apart in other places... if I edit it
>more specifically manually, then it would: a.) take forever, and
>b.) still probably have the same spacing issues.
>
>What else can be done? Is there a way to snap the grid to the
>notes (Then maybe do SOME manual edits afterwards)? IOW, is
>there a way that the MIDI app can extract the tempo from the
>phrasing & adjust the grid accordingly?
>
>Neil
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| Re: MIDI Editing Question [message #75988 is a reply to message #75983] |
Tue, 14 November 2006 13:12 |
Neil
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Rick, snapping in general won't work because of the way this
drifts... it might start at measure 1/beat zero, but 8 measures
into the piece, the start of a given measure might be three
beats behind the 8th measure of the grid, and 8 measures after
that it might be a measure & half behind the 8th measure of the
grid. If I use the snap feature in any capacity it's going to
adjust to the nearest "nth" of a note I select - that
nearest "nth" might be in front of a given note, or behind it,
thereby screwing up the phrasing.
If I could freeze the notes in time, and adjust the grid's tempo
(without effecting the note positions) in various places I could
get it close enough to start snapping or manually editing. I
don't even know if that's possible though.
Neil
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>have you tried setting your snap to triplets? she may be playing on
>32nds for some notes. it won't put it into perfect time but then who
>wants that.
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>On 15 Nov 2006 05:45:59 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>Hopefully someone here knows MIDI better than I do - I work with
>>MIDI a lot, I haven't really had to do a whole lot of editing in
>>it, so this one's got me stumped:
>>
>>I have a Piano track that someone recorded in MIDI, and they
>>approximated the Tempo, but didn't use a click a as a guide
>>(just used it to count off at the beginning), so it drifts a LOT.
>>
>>Now she's changed her mind & wants it locked to the grid, so we
>>can do some controlled tempo changes in various sections (using
>>the Tempo Track in SX - that part I get). Problem is, if I start
>>snapping this thing to grid that it drifted away from so badly
>>that we'll have phrases overlapping here & there and other
>>sections that are too far apart in other places... if I edit it
>>more specifically manually, then it would: a.) take forever, and
>>b.) still probably have the same spacing issues.
>>
>>What else can be done? Is there a way to snap the grid to the
>>notes (Then maybe do SOME manual edits afterwards)? IOW, is
>>there a way that the MIDI app can extract the tempo from the
>>phrasing & adjust the grid accordingly?
>>
>>Neil
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| Re: MIDI Editing Question [message #75990 is a reply to message #75982] |
Tue, 14 November 2006 13:24 |
David L
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You can try creating a tempo map. I've been doing this a lot lately for a
client who is adding new instruments to existing songwriter demos from a
cassette done in his living room.
What I do is this:
1 Get a general idea of the tempo by tapping in the tempo window of Cubase.
2 Create a new MIDI track - using real time as the time base. Also, make
sure that your MIDI piano track is set to real time for the time base.
3 Create a couple of measures of quantized quarter notes using a short
percussive MIDI drum sound
4a On your MIDI piano track, locate the beginning of the first note, cut
your part so that it begins at that point, and drag it to the start of the
measure after your two-measure countoff.
5 On a new MIDI track (real time timebase), record yourself tapping quarter
notes along with the piano track. Be sure not to leave too much empty space
at the end of your final tap - Cubase sees this space and will try to assign
it a tempo setting. If it's too long, it will cause a "tempo out of range"
error.
6 Combine the two-measure countoff with your taps so that they are all on
the same track and are contiguous.
7 Enter the key editor. Select all of the notes, and right-click for the
MIDI menu. You'll choose Functions, create tempo from tapping.
8 Save your project under a new name before continuing, just to be sure.
9 On the transport window, click the TEMPO button. Now Cubase will follow
the map you created.
10 Change your tracks from real time based to note-based, and you can now
work with your track according to a grid.
David
On 14-Nov-2006, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> I have a Piano track that someone recorded in MIDI, and they
> approximated the Tempo, but didn't use a click a as a guide
> (just used it to count off at the beginning), so it drifts a LOT.
>
> Now she's changed her mind & wants it locked to the grid, so we
> can do some controlled tempo changes in various sections (using
> the Tempo Track in SX - that part I get).
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| Re: MIDI Editing Question [message #75994 is a reply to message #75982] |
Tue, 14 November 2006 13:50 |
Sarah
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I've had this very situation a lot, because I didn't arrangements for an
album of a singer songwriter who would bring the same kind MIDI piano you've
described. After a few attempts to adjust tempos and manually adjust
things, I would up just learning and replaying the piano parts for all
twelve songs. I think it saved time in the long run. :)
Probably not the advice you wanted, but it worked for me, and the client was
very happy with the end result.
Sarah
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:455a0ee7$1@linux...
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> Hopefully someone here knows MIDI better than I do - I work with
> MIDI a lot, I haven't really had to do a whole lot of editing in
> it, so this one's got me stumped:
>
> I have a Piano track that someone recorded in MIDI, and they
> approximated the Tempo, but didn't use a click a as a guide
> (just used it to count off at the beginning), so it drifts a LOT.
>
> Now she's changed her mind & wants it locked to the grid, so we
> can do some controlled tempo changes in various sections (using
> the Tempo Track in SX - that part I get). Problem is, if I start
> snapping this thing to grid that it drifted away from so badly
> that we'll have phrases overlapping here & there and other
> sections that are too far apart in other places... if I edit it
> more specifically manually, then it would: a.) take forever, and
> b.) still probably have the same spacing issues.
>
> What else can be done? Is there a way to snap the grid to the
> notes (Then maybe do SOME manual edits afterwards)? IOW, is
> there a way that the MIDI app can extract the tempo from the
> phrasing & adjust the grid accordingly?
>
> Neil
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| Re: MIDI Editing Question [message #75995 is a reply to message #75994] |
Tue, 14 November 2006 13:55 |
Sarah
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Damn . . . I'm not awake yet, apparently. "Didn't" should read "did" and
"would" should have been "wound."
S :)
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:455a37f6@linux...
> I've had this very situation a lot, because I didn't arrangements for an
> album of a singer songwriter who would bring the same kind MIDI piano
> you've described. After a few attempts to adjust tempos and manually
> adjust things, I would up just learning and replaying the piano parts for
> all twelve songs. I think it saved time in the long run. :)
>
> Probably not the advice you wanted, but it worked for me, and the client
> was very happy with the end result.
>
> Sarah
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> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:455a0ee7$1@linux...
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>> Hopefully someone here knows MIDI better than I do - I work with
>> MIDI a lot, I haven't really had to do a whole lot of editing in
>> it, so this one's got me stumped:
>>
>> I have a Piano track that someone recorded in MIDI, and they
>> approximated the Tempo, but didn't use a click a as a guide
>> (just used it to count off at the beginning), so it drifts a LOT.
>>
>> Now she's changed her mind & wants it locked to the grid, so we
>> can do some controlled tempo changes in various sections (using
>> the Tempo Track in SX - that part I get). Problem is, if I start
>> snapping this thing to grid that it drifted away from so badly
>> that we'll have phrases overlapping here & there and other
>> sections that are too far apart in other places... if I edit it
>> more specifically manually, then it would: a.) take forever, and
>> b.) still probably have the same spacing issues.
>>
>> What else can be done? Is there a way to snap the grid to the
>> notes (Then maybe do SOME manual edits afterwards)? IOW, is
>> there a way that the MIDI app can extract the tempo from the
>> phrasing & adjust the grid accordingly?
>>
>> Neil
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>>
>>
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| Re: MIDI Editing Question [message #75998 is a reply to message #75990] |
Tue, 14 November 2006 17:43 |
Neil
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Sounds pretty complicated... more along the lines of something
Deej would like... but I'll try it. Thanks.
:)
Neil
"David L" <david@revealaudio.com> wrote:
>You can try creating a tempo map. I've been doing this a lot lately for
a
>client who is adding new instruments to existing songwriter demos from a
>cassette done in his living room.
>
>What I do is this:
>1 Get a general idea of the tempo by tapping in the tempo window of Cubase.
>2 Create a new MIDI track - using real time as the time base. Also, make
>sure that your MIDI piano track is set to real time for the time base.
>3 Create a couple of measures of quantized quarter notes using a short
>percussive MIDI drum sound
>4a On your MIDI piano track, locate the beginning of the first note, cut
>your part so that it begins at that point, and drag it to the start of the
>measure after your two-measure countoff.
>5 On a new MIDI track (real time timebase), record yourself tapping quarter
>notes along with the piano track. Be sure not to leave too much empty space
>at the end of your final tap - Cubase sees this space and will try to assign
>it a tempo setting. If it's too long, it will cause a "tempo out of range"
>error.
>6 Combine the two-measure countoff with your taps so that they are all on
>the same track and are contiguous.
>7 Enter the key editor. Select all of the notes, and right-click for the
>MIDI menu. You'll choose Functions, create tempo from tapping.
>8 Save your project under a new name before continuing, just to be sure.
>9 On the transport window, click the TEMPO button. Now Cubase will follow
>the map you created.
>10 Change your tracks from real time based to note-based, and you can now
>work with your track according to a grid.
>
>David
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>
>On 14-Nov-2006, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>> I have a Piano track that someone recorded in MIDI, and they
>> approximated the Tempo, but didn't use a click a as a guide
>> (just used it to count off at the beginning), so it drifts a LOT.
>>
>> Now she's changed her mind & wants it locked to the grid, so we
>> can do some controlled tempo changes in various sections (using
>> the Tempo Track in SX - that part I get).
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| Re: MIDI Editing Question [message #76001 is a reply to message #75994] |
Tue, 14 November 2006 18:46 |
Neil
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"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
> I've had this very situation a lot, because I didn't
>arrangements for an album of a singer songwriter who would
>bring the same kind MIDI piano you've described. After a few
>attempts to adjust tempos and manually adjust things, I would
>up just learning and replaying the piano parts for all
>twelve songs. I think it saved time in the long run. :)
>
>Probably not the advice you wanted, but it worked for me, and
>the client was very happy with the end result.
Yeah, that is definitely NOT the answer I wanted! lol
If I can't figure a machine-oriented way to fix it, I'll have
HER play it again... she's the one who didn't want the click
track in the first place: "there's no HEART to a click track!"
Yeah, an agument can be made for that, except when you drift
off-tempo like a rowboat in a wave machine, that doesn't end up
having much heart, either!
OK, that's it, I've tried everything... the stuff I did last
night, plus the tempo-mapping idea just before I posted this
reply - and while I was typing, I even tried tracking the MIDI
back into my Fantom, then recording it back into SX using
the "auto-quantize when recording" feature... she's going to
have to re-do it. Bottom line, end of story.
It's going to be a good song once she's done, though - she'll
be glad that she re-did it.
Neil
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| Re: MIDI Editing Question [message #76013 is a reply to message #75982] |
Wed, 15 November 2006 08:47 |
TCB
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You can use the SX tempo map in a kind of free form visual mode and drag tempo
track markers to the beginning of each measure. You can also use the SX tempo
calculator in much the same way, but it's a laborious, unpleasant process.
There's a tutorial in the book I wrote about it, I think, and if there is
I can send that chapter to you.
That said, having done this previously trying to match a MIDI performance
the parts where time drifted sounded awful if locked to tempo and any loops
I synced up to it lurched around like me after my fourth Patron gimlet. So
I would up hiring someone to play to a loop.
TCB
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>Hopefully someone here knows MIDI better than I do - I work with
>MIDI a lot, I haven't really had to do a whole lot of editing in
>it, so this one's got me stumped:
>
>I have a Piano track that someone recorded in MIDI, and they
>approximated the Tempo, but didn't use a click a as a guide
>(just used it to count off at the beginning), so it drifts a LOT.
>
>Now she's changed her mind & wants it locked to the grid, so we
>can do some controlled tempo changes in various sections (using
>the Tempo Track in SX - that part I get). Problem is, if I start
>snapping this thing to grid that it drifted away from so badly
>that we'll have phrases overlapping here & there and other
>sections that are too far apart in other places... if I edit it
>more specifically manually, then it would: a.) take forever, and
>b.) still probably have the same spacing issues.
>
>What else can be done? Is there a way to snap the grid to the
>notes (Then maybe do SOME manual edits afterwards)? IOW, is
>there a way that the MIDI app can extract the tempo from the
>phrasing & adjust the grid accordingly?
>
>Neil
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| Re: MIDI Editing Question [message #76015 is a reply to message #76013] |
Wed, 15 November 2006 09:13 |
Nil
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Thad, I did attempt the drawing mode in the Tempo track...
TOTALLY impractical (for me, anyway - I couldn't manage to draw
on the fly very well at ALL).
Tempo calculator - I'm not sure about that, that might've been
one I missed... how do you use that?
Neil
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>You can use the SX tempo map in a kind of free form visual mode and drag
tempo
>track markers to the beginning of each measure. You can also use the SX
tempo
>calculator in much the same way, but it's a laborious, unpleasant process.
>There's a tutorial in the book I wrote about it, I think, and if there is
>I can send that chapter to you.
>
>That said, having done this previously trying to match a MIDI performance
>the parts where time drifted sounded awful if locked to tempo and any loops
>I synced up to it lurched around like me after my fourth Patron gimlet.
So
>I would up hiring someone to play to a loop.
>
>TCB
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>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>Hopefully someone here knows MIDI better than I do - I work with
>>MIDI a lot, I haven't really had to do a whole lot of editing in
>>it, so this one's got me stumped:
>>
>>I have a Piano track that someone recorded in MIDI, and they
>>approximated the Tempo, but didn't use a click a as a guide
>>(just used it to count off at the beginning), so it drifts a LOT.
>>
>>Now she's changed her mind & wants it locked to the grid, so we
>>can do some controlled tempo changes in various sections (using
>>the Tempo Track in SX - that part I get). Problem is, if I start
>>snapping this thing to grid that it drifted away from so badly
>>that we'll have phrases overlapping here & there and other
>>sections that are too far apart in other places... if I edit it
>>more specifically manually, then it would: a.) take forever, and
>>b.) still probably have the same spacing issues.
>>
>>What else can be done? Is there a way to snap the grid to the
>>notes (Then maybe do SOME manual edits afterwards)? IOW, is
>>there a way that the MIDI app can extract the tempo from the
>>phrasing & adjust the grid accordingly?
>>
>>Neil
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| Re: MIDI Editing Question [message #76020 is a reply to message #76015] |
Wed, 15 November 2006 13:41 |
TCB
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It would take me eons to explain it, so I'll give you a RTFM but if that doesn't
work let me know and I'll try to find the stuff I wrote about it.
TCB
"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>Thad, I did attempt the drawing mode in the Tempo track...
>TOTALLY impractical (for me, anyway - I couldn't manage to draw
>on the fly very well at ALL).
>
>Tempo calculator - I'm not sure about that, that might've been
>one I missed... how do you use that?
>
>Neil
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>You can use the SX tempo map in a kind of free form visual mode and drag
>tempo
>>track markers to the beginning of each measure. You can also use the SX
>tempo
>>calculator in much the same way, but it's a laborious, unpleasant process.
>>There's a tutorial in the book I wrote about it, I think, and if there
is
>>I can send that chapter to you.
>>
>>That said, having done this previously trying to match a MIDI performance
>>the parts where time drifted sounded awful if locked to tempo and any loops
>>I synced up to it lurched around like me after my fourth Patron gimlet.
>So
>>I would up hiring someone to play to a loop.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>>Hopefully someone here knows MIDI better than I do - I work with
>>>MIDI a lot, I haven't really had to do a whole lot of editing in
>>>it, so this one's got me stumped:
>>>
>>>I have a Piano track that someone recorded in MIDI, and they
>>>approximated the Tempo, but didn't use a click a as a guide
>>>(just used it to count off at the beginning), so it drifts a LOT.
>>>
>>>Now she's changed her mind & wants it locked to the grid, so we
>>>can do some controlled tempo changes in various sections (using
>>>the Tempo Track in SX - that part I get). Problem is, if I start
>>>snapping this thing to grid that it drifted away from so badly
>>>that we'll have phrases overlapping here & there and other
>>>sections that are too far apart in other places... if I edit it
>>>more specifically manually, then it would: a.) take forever, and
>>>b.) still probably have the same spacing issues.
>>>
>>>What else can be done? Is there a way to snap the grid to the
>>>notes (Then maybe do SOME manual edits afterwards)? IOW, is
>>>there a way that the MIDI app can extract the tempo from the
>>>phrasing & adjust the grid accordingly?
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: MIDI Editing Question [message #76021 is a reply to message #76020] |
Wed, 15 November 2006 14:03 |
neil[1]
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Thad, don't worry about it... the gal is going to re-do the part tonite -
I was jsut wondering for possible furture reference.
BTW I LITFM and didn't find anything useful on this topic!
Neil
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>It would take me eons to explain it, so I'll give you a RTFM but if that
doesn't
>work let me know and I'll try to find the stuff I wrote about it.
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>TCB
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>"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>Thad, I did attempt the drawing mode in the Tempo track...
>>TOTALLY impractical (for me, anyway - I couldn't manage to draw
>>on the fly very well at ALL).
>>
>>Tempo calculator - I'm not sure about that, that might've been
>>one I missed... how do you use that?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>You can use the SX tempo map in a kind of free form visual mode and drag
>>tempo
>>>track markers to the beginning of each measure. You can also use the SX
>>tempo
>>>calculator in much the same way, but it's a laborious, unpleasant process.
>>>There's a tutorial in the book I wrote about it, I think, and if there
>is
>>>I can send that chapter to you.
>>>
>>>That said, having done this previously trying to match a MIDI performance
>>>the parts where time drifted sounded awful if locked to tempo and any
loops
>>>I synced up to it lurched around like me after my fourth Patron gimlet.
>>So
>>>I would up hiring someone to play to a loop.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hopefully someone here knows MIDI better than I do - I work with
>>>>MIDI a lot, I haven't really had to do a whole lot of editing in
>>>>it, so this one's got me stumped:
>>>>
>>>>I have a Piano track that someone recorded in MIDI, and they
>>>>approximated the Tempo, but didn't use a click a as a guide
>>>>(just used it to count off at the beginning), so it drifts a LOT.
>>>>
>>>>Now she's changed her mind & wants it locked to the grid, so we
>>>>can do some controlled tempo changes in various sections (using
>>>>the Tempo Track in SX - that part I get). Problem is, if I start
>>>>snapping this thing to grid that it drifted away from so badly
>>>>that we'll have phrases overlapping here & there and other
>>>>sections that are too far apart in other places... if I edit it
>>>>more specifically manually, then it would: a.) take forever, and
>>>>b.) still probably have the same spacing issues.
>>>>
>>>>What else can be done? Is there a way to snap the grid to the
>>>>notes (Then maybe do SOME manual edits afterwards)? IOW, is
>>>>there a way that the MIDI app can extract the tempo from the
>>>>phrasing & adjust the grid accordingly?
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: MIDI Editing Question [message #76360 is a reply to message #76021] |
Thu, 23 November 2006 00:52 |
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Neil,
BTW I LITFM and didn't find anything useful on this topic!
That's why Thad wrote his book! It's great and made Cubase an easier
mountain to climb for me. Also, give Scope another chance. I'm ready
to dig in but don't need what you are looking for (88.2k). I'd bet the =
XTC mode
will help your situation. It's never easy.
Tom
"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:455b809c$1@linux...
Thad, don't worry about it... the gal is going to re-do the part =
tonite -
I was jsut wondering for possible furture reference.
BTW I LITFM and didn't find anything useful on this topic!
Neil
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>It would take me eons to explain it, so I'll give you a RTFM but if =
that
doesn't
>work let me know and I'll try to find the stuff I wrote about it.=20
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>TCB
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>"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thad, I did attempt the drawing mode in the Tempo track...
>>TOTALLY impractical (for me, anyway - I couldn't manage to draw
>>on the fly very well at ALL).
>>
>>Tempo calculator - I'm not sure about that, that might've been
>>one I missed... how do you use that?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>You can use the SX tempo map in a kind of free form visual mode and =
drag
>>tempo
>>>track markers to the beginning of each measure. You can also use =
the SX
>>tempo
>>>calculator in much the same way, but it's a laborious, unpleasant =
process.
>>>There's a tutorial in the book I wrote about it, I think, and if =
there
>is
>>>I can send that chapter to you.=20
>>>
>>>That said, having done this previously trying to match a MIDI =
performance
>>>the parts where time drifted sounded awful if locked to tempo and =
any
loops
>>>I synced up to it lurched around like me after my fourth Patron =
gimlet.
>>So
>>>I would up hiring someone to play to a loop.=20
>>>
>>>TCB=20
>>>
>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hopefully someone here knows MIDI better than I do - I work with
>>>>MIDI a lot, I haven't really had to do a whole lot of editing in
>>>>it, so this one's got me stumped:
>>>>
>>>>I have a Piano track that someone recorded in MIDI, and they
>>>>approximated the Tempo, but didn't use a click a as a guide
>>>>(just used it to count off at the beginning), so it drifts a LOT.
>>>>
>>>>Now she's changed her mind & wants it locked to the grid, so we
>>>>can do some controlled tempo changes in various sections (using
>>>>the Tempo Track in SX - that part I get). Problem is, if I start
>>>>snapping this thing to grid that it drifted away from so badly
>>>>that we'll have phrases overlapping here & there and other
>>>>sections that are too far apart in other places... if I edit it
>>>>more specifically manually, then it would: a.) take forever, and
>>>>b.) still probably have the same spacing issues.
>>>>
>>>>What else can be done? Is there a way to snap the grid to the
>>>>notes (Then maybe do SOME manual edits afterwards)? IOW, is
>>>>there a way that the MIDI app can extract the tempo from the
>>>>phrasing & adjust the grid accordingly?
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Neil,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>BTW I LITFM and didn't find anything useful on this =
topic!<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That's why Thad wrote his book! =
It's great=20
and made Cubase an easier</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mountain to climb for me. Also, =
give Scope=20
another chance. I'm ready</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to dig in but don't need what you are =
looking for=20
(88.2k). I'd bet the XTC mode</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>will help your situation. It's =
never=20
easy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Neil" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:IOUOIU@OIU.com">IOUOIU@OIU.com</A>> wrote=20
in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:455b809c$1@linux">news:455b809c$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Thad=
, don't=20
worry about it... the gal is going to re-do the part tonite -<BR>I was =
jsut=20
wondering for possible furture reference.<BR><BR>BTW I LITFM and =
didn't find=20
anything useful on this topic!<BR><BR>Neil<BR><BR><BR><BR>"TCB" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:nobody@ishere.com">nobody@ishere.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>>It would take me eons to explain it, so I'll =
give you a=20
RTFM but if that<BR>doesn't<BR>>work let me know and I'll try to =
find the=20
stuff I wrote about it. <BR>><BR>>TCB<BR>><BR>>"Neil " =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:IUOIU@OIU.com">IUOIU@OIU.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>Thad, I did attempt the drawing mode in =
the=20
Tempo track...<BR>>>TOTALLY impractical (for me, anyway - I =
couldn't=20
manage to draw<BR>>>on the fly very well at=20
ALL).<BR>>><BR>>>Tempo calculator - I'm not sure about =
that, that=20
might've been<BR>>>one I missed... how do you use=20
that?<BR>>><BR>>>Neil<BR>>> <BR>>>"TCB" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nobody@ishere.com">nobody@ishere.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>You can use the SX tempo map in =
a kind=20
of free form visual mode and =
drag<BR>>>tempo<BR>>>>track=20
markers to the beginning of each measure. You can also use the=20
SX<BR>>>tempo<BR>>>>calculator in much the same way, =
but it's a=20
laborious, unpleasant process.<BR>>>>There's a tutorial in =
the book I=20
wrote about it, I think, and if there<BR>>is<BR>>>>I can =
send that=20
chapter to you. <BR>>>><BR>>>>That said, having done =
this=20
previously trying to match a MIDI performance<BR>>>>the parts =
where=20
time drifted sounded awful if locked to tempo and=20
any<BR>loops<BR>>>>I synced up to it lurched around like me =
after my=20
fourth Patron gimlet.<BR>>>So<BR>>>>I would up hiring =
someone=20
to play to a loop. <BR>>>><BR>>>>TCB=20
<BR>>>><BR>>>>"Neil " <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Hopefully someone here =
knows=20
MIDI better than I do - I work with<BR>>>>>MIDI a lot, I =
haven't=20
really had to do a whole lot of editing in<BR>>>>>it, so =
this=20
one's got me stumped:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I have a =
Piano=20
track that someone recorded in MIDI, and =
they<BR>>>>>approximated=20
the Tempo, but didn't use a click a as a =
guide<BR>>>>>(just used=20
it to count off at the beginning), so it drifts a=20
LOT.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Now she's changed her mind =
&=20
wants it locked to the grid, so we<BR>>>>>can do some =
controlled=20
tempo changes in various sections (using<BR>>>>>the Tempo =
Track in=20
SX - that part I get). Problem is, if I =
start<BR>>>>>snapping this=20
thing to grid that it drifted away from so =
badly<BR>>>>>that we'll=20
have phrases overlapping here & there and=20
other<BR>>>>>sections that are too far apart in other =
places... if=20
I edit it<BR>>>>>more specifically manually, then it =
would: a.)=20
take forever, and<BR>>>>>b.) still probably have the same =
spacing=20
issues.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>What else can be done? =
Is there=20
a way to snap the grid to the<BR>>>>>notes (Then maybe do =
SOME=20
manual edits afterwards)? IOW, is<BR>>>>>there a way that =
the MIDI=20
app can extract the tempo from the<BR>>>>>phrasing & =
adjust=20
the grid=20
=
accordingly?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Neil <BR>>>>&=
gt;<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>><BR>>><B=
R>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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