| Controlling kick drum dynamics? [message #89487] |
Sat, 08 September 2007 05:31  |
![John [1] is currently offline](/theme/PARIS_Forum_Template/images/offline.png "John [1] is currently offline")
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
I'm trying to get my dynamics under control and my kick is causing me the
largest problem. My goal is a crest factor of 14 for my overall mix and
right now it's more like 20. When I use various compressers / limiters /
eqs etc to control the dynamics it is killing the low freq thump. Does anyone
have tips on how to control this wild kick drum without hosing up the tone?
Thanks
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: Controlling kick drum dynamics? [message #89550 is a reply to message #89487] |
Sun, 09 September 2007 07:58  |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
|
Senior Member |
|
|
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0167_01C7F2C7.EECD15A0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yup. Not exactly what you're asking, but it's related.=20
Evans EMAD heads.
Very smooth and evenly balanced kick heads, if you have not tried it =
you're really missing out.=20
I use a hard plastic beater, because I'm a progressive kinda dude. =
However, if you're getting too much 'tick' you will want to go felt. =
Pearl makes a killer beater with 4 heads on it of varying =
shapes/materials and a counterweight.=20
More directly: Most likely if you're trying to dip the dynamics that =
much you would have luck using something like a multiband compressor, or =
a sample with a varied velocity curve.
AA
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:46e29614$1@linux...
>=20
> I'm trying to get my dynamics under control and my kick is causing me =
the
> largest problem. My goal is a crest factor of 14 for my overall mix =
and
> right now it's more like 20. When I use various compressers / =
limiters /
> eqs etc to control the dynamics it is killing the low freq thump. =
Does anyone
> have tips on how to control this wild kick drum without hosing up the =
tone?
>=20
> Thanks
------=_NextPart_000_0167_01C7F2C7.EECD15A0
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16525" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yup. Not exactly what you're asking, =
but it's=20
related. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>Evans EMAD heads.</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Very smooth and evenly balanced kick =
heads, if you=20
have not tried it you're really missing out. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I use a hard plastic beater, because =
I'm a=20
progressive kinda dude. However, if you're getting too much 'tick' you =
will want=20
to go felt. Pearl makes a killer beater with 4 heads on it of varying=20
shapes/materials and a counterweight. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>More directly: Most likely if you're =
trying to dip=20
the dynamics that much you would have luck using something like a =
multiband=20
compressor, or a sample with a varied velocity curve.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"John" <</FONT><A =
href=3D"mailto:no@no.com"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>no@no.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>> wrote in=20
message </FONT><A href=3D"news:46e29614$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>news:46e29614$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> I'm =
trying to get=20
my dynamics under control and my kick is causing me the<BR>> largest=20
problem. My goal is a crest factor of 14 for my overall mix =
and<BR>>=20
right now it's more like 20. When I use various compressers / =
limiters=20
/<BR>> eqs etc to control the dynamics it is killing the low freq=20
thump. Does anyone<BR>> have tips on how to control this wild =
kick drum=20
without hosing up the tone?<BR>> <BR>> Thanks</FONT></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0167_01C7F2C7.EECD15A0--
|
|
|
|
| Re: Controlling kick drum dynamics? [message #89551 is a reply to message #89525] |
Sun, 09 September 2007 08:23 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Hey John - since you're specifically asking about dynamics,
I'm going to point you to a few comp/limiter options that I like
very much for kick & have found each one useful, depending on
the circumstances. Aaaaaand, the best part is they're all free.
:)
1.) Buzz Maxi - this is a simple two-knob Limiter, very
transparent & can mash your sound pretty hard, or just give it
a litle kiss, depending on where you set the threshhold.
http://www5c.biglobe.ne.jp/~buzzroom/files/BuzMaxi3_130.zip
2.) Buzzroom GeneComp3 or GranComp3 Multiband compressors -
From the same guy as the Buzz Maxi, above, the link gives you a
whole package of compressors actually, (stereo & mono, both
single & Multiband versions of the Grancomp & Genecomp). Try
the Grancomp Multiband on kick, & drop down the center band's
output somewhat (or a lot, dpenending on the tone you're looking
for) - use the band cutoff controls to carve out the tonal
qualities you want. These all come with a number of handy
presets, too; there IS one for kick on one of 'em - that might
give you a good starting point. FYI I really like the
grancomp singleband version for rock guitar & bass, as well.
Here's the link...
http://www5c.biglobe.ne.jp/~buzzroom/files/buzcompfree_v12.z ip
3.) The SSL LMC-1 - This one has a REALLY unique sound and
you'll probbaly know right away if it's gonna work or not for
the song.
Start out with the compression control turned all the way to
the "Less" side & don't drive it very hard at first; it can
dirty-up real quick. Link Below...
http://www.solid-state-logic.com/resources/lmc1plugin.html
4.) You have SX3, right? If so, on the CD there's a folder of
extra plugins - I forget what it's called, but browse around
& you'll find it. Most of 'em are total crap, IMO, but there
is ONE very useful one... it's called, simply "Multiband
Compressor" - copy that .dll file over to where your dynamics
plugins reside & launch SX & you'll see it. Try the Kick preset,
but don't be afraid to move the band levels around.
To quote Borat: "That's a verry niiiice." :)
Neil
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameriech.net> wrote:
>
>John, you a couple of options..
>
>-Compress..EQ..hard work,,but works
>
>-Use Transien Plugin like waves Transient plus..Nice http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=286
>
>-Voxengo (2 plugins) LowF Punch and Tranmodder http://www.voxengo.com/product/lfpunch/
>www.voxengo.com/product/tmodder/
>
>LAstly and my Fav option: Use drummgog..Locate a the good Bass drum sample..
>Boom..Job done.. :)
>
>
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'm trying to get my dynamics under control and my kick is causing me the
>>largest problem. My goal is a crest factor of 14 for my overall mix and
>>right now it's more like 20. When I use various compressers / limiters
>/
>>eqs etc to control the dynamics it is killing the low freq thump. Does
>anyone
>>have tips on how to control this wild kick drum without hosing up the tone?
>>
>>Thanks
>
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: Controlling kick drum dynamics? [message #89619 is a reply to message #89551] |
Tue, 11 September 2007 19:10 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
John, did u get a chance to try any of these yet? If so, how'd
it work out? Personally for reggae, if you like the tone you're
getting, I'd prolly try the BuzzMaxi first - not gonna whallop
the shit out of your tone & change it at all, just control the
dynamics really well.
Neil
"Neil" <OIU@OIUOIU.com> wrote:
>
>Hey John - since you're specifically asking about dynamics,
>I'm going to point you to a few comp/limiter options that I like
>very much for kick & have found each one useful, depending on
>the circumstances. Aaaaaand, the best part is they're all free.
>
>:)
>
>1.) Buzz Maxi - this is a simple two-knob Limiter, very
>transparent & can mash your sound pretty hard, or just give it
>a litle kiss, depending on where you set the threshhold.
>
>http://www5c.biglobe.ne.jp/~buzzroom/files/BuzMaxi3_130.zip
>
>2.) Buzzroom GeneComp3 or GranComp3 Multiband compressors -
>From the same guy as the Buzz Maxi, above, the link gives you a
>whole package of compressors actually, (stereo & mono, both
>single & Multiband versions of the Grancomp & Genecomp). Try
>the Grancomp Multiband on kick, & drop down the center band's
>output somewhat (or a lot, dpenending on the tone you're looking
>for) - use the band cutoff controls to carve out the tonal
>qualities you want. These all come with a number of handy
>presets, too; there IS one for kick on one of 'em - that might
>give you a good starting point. FYI I really like the
>grancomp singleband version for rock guitar & bass, as well.
>Here's the link...
>
> http://www5c.biglobe.ne.jp/~buzzroom/files/buzcompfree_v12.z ip
>
>
>3.) The SSL LMC-1 - This one has a REALLY unique sound and
>you'll probbaly know right away if it's gonna work or not for
>the song.
>Start out with the compression control turned all the way to
>the "Less" side & don't drive it very hard at first; it can
>dirty-up real quick. Link Below...
>
> http://www.solid-state-logic.com/resources/lmc1plugin.html
>
>
>4.) You have SX3, right? If so, on the CD there's a folder of
>extra plugins - I forget what it's called, but browse around
>& you'll find it. Most of 'em are total crap, IMO, but there
>is ONE very useful one... it's called, simply "Multiband
>Compressor" - copy that .dll file over to where your dynamics
>plugins reside & launch SX & you'll see it. Try the Kick preset,
>but don't be afraid to move the band levels around.
>To quote Borat: "That's a verry niiiice." :)
>
>Neil
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameriech.net> wrote:
>>
>>John, you a couple of options..
>>
>>-Compress..EQ..hard work,,but works
>>
>>-Use Transien Plugin like waves Transient plus..Nice http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=286
>>
>>-Voxengo (2 plugins) LowF Punch and Tranmodder http://www.voxengo.com/product/lfpunch/
>>www.voxengo.com/product/tmodder/
>>
>>LAstly and my Fav option: Use drummgog..Locate a the good Bass drum sample..
>>Boom..Job done.. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm trying to get my dynamics under control and my kick is causing me
the
>>>largest problem. My goal is a crest factor of 14 for my overall mix and
>>>right now it's more like 20. When I use various compressers / limiters
>>/
>>>eqs etc to control the dynamics it is killing the low freq thump. Does
>>anyone
>>>have tips on how to control this wild kick drum without hosing up the
tone?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>
>
|
|
|
|
| Re: Controlling kick drum dynamics? [message #89634 is a reply to message #89611] |
Tue, 11 September 2007 20:25 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>SX 4 has a transient designer type plug-in but I haven't had a chance to
check
>it out yet. I will say this, for the money the voxengo stuff is usually
spectacular.
I agree, and the only negative thing I can say about the
Voxengo Transient thang (Transmodder)is that it really can't be
used on cymbals, IMO - not if you're running all the drums
including the OH's through a subgroup, anyway. Although if you
want to run all the drums through a submix group EXCEPT for
cymbals, and THEN insert the Transmodder over that... Yummmm!
lol
Can't really use it on the 2-buss, either, since obviously
cymbals have to run through that as well. If anyone's found a
Transmodder setting that DOES work on the 2-buss lemme know!
Thadster, let us know when you have a chance to check out the
C4 TransDesigner! Is it also an application that can be
obtained sparately from somewhere, do you know?
Neil
|
|
|
|
|
|
The PARIS Forums
Search
Help
Members
Register
Login
Home
