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| Re: OT: Virus protection [message #69697 is a reply to message #69696] |
Mon, 26 June 2006 22:42   |
Aaron Allen
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Definitely, dump norton first. You do not want two A/V's running at the =
same time.=20
Of my own personal machines, I use AVG free and of the half a dozen or =
so constantly connected to the net and running machines I have, how many =
viruses (including my personal 2003 MS server) have gotten through in =
the last 5+ years?=20
ZERO
Them's pretty good odds dude. AVG-Free has a nag message, but these are =
not corporate machines and I could care less that emails sent via =
outlook/outlook express have a "I use AVG" message at the bottom of =
them. It is otherwise completely non annoying.=20
My spyware is Windows Defender Beta II currently... again, no problems.=20
Zone Alarm has done what it's supposed to for years. I do not like the =
included window firewall, shut it off. Config ZA, don't just accept =
defaults. I also sit behind a hardware firewall/router. Anyone in their =
right mind that knows would, though.
For spam blocking, it's been a crap shoot, and no one has been 100% on =
that one. Can't recommend anything there as better than say 60% area. =
Outlook 2003 has some things built in, but nothing is perfect. Spam is =
definitely a layered defense item. Bug the heck out of your ISP/mail =
service to filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail account, and send =
any 'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty until proven =
innocent sources to that email address.=20
Never used Bit Defender, no opinions on it. Ditto on NOD32/ESET. Bottom =
line is AVG never ever let me down, nor a client's home machine, so I'm =
loathe to change a working plan of defense. I think Norton sucks, and I =
think McAfee sucks just slightly less, FWIW. Trend has been pretty =
strong from what I've seen in the corporate world. I use housecall to =
clear up messes NAI and Symantec left behind on infected machines, and =
this has been pretty consistent this entire year.=20
On another related topic that is for sure coming... boy, can I wait for =
the virus clowns to start attacking and infecting our phones and PDA's. =
As popular as the iPOD is, I'm just amazed some smart aleck kid in =
Taiwan hasn't found a way to infect it and pooch the library/licensing =
yet, either.=20
One thing at a time Aaron, one thing at a time.
AA
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as the best in class? It =
wants
> me
>>to uninstall Norton before installing Bit Defender. Good move?
>>
>>Also, if so, which package? Satndard?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>>
>
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Definitely, <U>dump norton first</U>. =
You do=20
<EM>not</EM> want two A/V's running at the same time. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of my own personal machines, I use AVG =
free and of=20
the half a dozen or so constantly connected to the net and running =
machines I=20
have, how many viruses (including my personal 2003 MS server) have =
gotten=20
through in the last 5+ years? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><BR> =
&=
nbsp; & nbsp; =20
<U><STRONG>ZERO</STRONG></U></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><U><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT></U></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Them's pretty good odds dude. AVG-Free =
has a nag=20
message, but these are not corporate machines and I could care less that =
emails=20
sent via outlook/outlook express have a "I use AVG" message at the =
bottom of=20
them. It is otherwise completely non annoying. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My spyware is Windows Defender Beta II =
currently...=20
again, no problems. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Zone Alarm has done what it's supposed =
to for=20
years. I do not like the included window firewall, shut it off. Config =
ZA, don't=20
just accept defaults. I also sit behind a hardware firewall/router. =
Anyone in=20
their right mind that knows would, though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For spam blocking, it's been a crap =
shoot, and no=20
one has been 100% on that one. Can't recommend anything there as better =
than say=20
60% area. Outlook 2003 has some things built in, but nothing is perfect. =
Spam is=20
definitely a layered defense item. Bug the heck out of your ISP/mail =
service to=20
filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail account, and send any =
'unknown' sign=20
ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty until proven innocent sources =
to that=20
email address. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Never used Bit Defender, no opinions on =
it. Ditto=20
on NOD32/ESET. Bottom line is AVG never ever let me down, nor a client's =
home=20
machine, so I'm loathe to change a working plan of defense. I think =
Norton=20
sucks, and I think McAfee sucks just slightly less, FWIW. Trend has been =
pretty=20
strong from what I've seen in the corporate world. I use housecall to =
clear up=20
messes NAI and Symantec left behind on infected machines, and this has =
been=20
pretty consistent this entire year. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On another related topic that is for =
sure coming...=20
boy, can I wait for the virus clowns to start attacking and infecting =
our phones=20
and PDA's. As popular as the iPOD is, I'm just amazed some smart =
aleck kid=20
in Taiwan hasn't found a way to infect it and pooch the =
library/licensing yet,=20
either. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One thing at a time Aaron, one thing at =
a=20
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "uptown jimmy" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>johnson314@bellsouth.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as the best =
in=20
class? It wants<BR>> me<BR>>>to uninstall Norton before =
installing Bit=20
Defender. Good move?<BR>>><BR>>>Also, if so, which package?=20
Satndard?<BR>>><BR>>>Thanks! <BR>>>Jimmy<BR>>><BR>=
>><BR>>><BR>></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
and=20
you?<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
..html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY ></HTML>
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| Re: OT: Virus protection [message #69726 is a reply to message #69697] |
Tue, 27 June 2006 17:15 |
uptown jimmy
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Aaron,
You're saying you don't like the Windows XP firewall, but to use the =
Zone Alarm?
Thanks,
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a0c407@linux...
Definitely, dump norton first. You do not want two A/V's running at =
the same time.=20
Of my own personal machines, I use AVG free and of the half a dozen or =
so constantly connected to the net and running machines I have, how many =
viruses (including my personal 2003 MS server) have gotten through in =
the last 5+ years?=20
ZERO
Them's pretty good odds dude. AVG-Free has a nag message, but these =
are not corporate machines and I could care less that emails sent via =
outlook/outlook express have a "I use AVG" message at the bottom of =
them. It is otherwise completely non annoying.=20
My spyware is Windows Defender Beta II currently... again, no =
problems.=20
Zone Alarm has done what it's supposed to for years. I do not like the =
included window firewall, shut it off. Config ZA, don't just accept =
defaults. I also sit behind a hardware firewall/router. Anyone in their =
right mind that knows would, though.
For spam blocking, it's been a crap shoot, and no one has been 100% on =
that one. Can't recommend anything there as better than say 60% area. =
Outlook 2003 has some things built in, but nothing is perfect. Spam is =
definitely a layered defense item. Bug the heck out of your ISP/mail =
service to filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail account, and send =
any 'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty until proven =
innocent sources to that email address.=20
Never used Bit Defender, no opinions on it. Ditto on NOD32/ESET. =
Bottom line is AVG never ever let me down, nor a client's home machine, =
so I'm loathe to change a working plan of defense. I think Norton sucks, =
and I think McAfee sucks just slightly less, FWIW. Trend has been pretty =
strong from what I've seen in the corporate world. I use housecall to =
clear up messes NAI and Symantec left behind on infected machines, and =
this has been pretty consistent this entire year.=20
On another related topic that is for sure coming... boy, can I wait =
for the virus clowns to start attacking and infecting our phones and =
PDA's. As popular as the iPOD is, I'm just amazed some smart aleck kid =
in Taiwan hasn't found a way to infect it and pooch the =
library/licensing yet, either.=20
One thing at a time Aaron, one thing at a time.
AA
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as the best in class? It =
wants
> me
>>to uninstall Norton before installing Bit Defender. Good move?
>>
>>Also, if so, which package? Satndard?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>>
>
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aaron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You're saying you don't like the =
Windows XP=20
firewall, but to use the Zone Alarm?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:44a0c407@linux">news:44a0c407@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Definitely, <U>dump norton first</U>. =
You do=20
<EM>not</EM> want two A/V's running at the same time. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of my own personal machines, I use =
AVG free and=20
of the half a dozen or so constantly connected to the net and running =
machines=20
I have, how many viruses (including my personal 2003 MS server) have =
gotten=20
through in the last 5+ years? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2><BR> =
&=
nbsp; & nbsp; =20
<U><STRONG>ZERO</STRONG></U></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><U><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT></U></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Them's pretty good odds dude. =
AVG-Free has a nag=20
message, but these are not corporate machines and I could care less =
that=20
emails sent via outlook/outlook express have a "I use AVG" message at =
the=20
bottom of them. It is otherwise completely non annoying. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My spyware is Windows Defender Beta =
II=20
currently... again, no problems. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Zone Alarm has done what it's =
supposed to for=20
years. I do not like the included window firewall, shut it off. Config =
ZA,=20
don't just accept defaults. I also sit behind a hardware =
firewall/router.=20
Anyone in their right mind that knows would, though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For spam blocking, it's been a crap =
shoot, and no=20
one has been 100% on that one. Can't recommend anything there as =
better than=20
say 60% area. Outlook 2003 has some things built in, but nothing is =
perfect.=20
Spam is definitely a layered defense item. Bug the heck out of your =
ISP/mail=20
service to filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail account, and =
send any=20
'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty until proven =
innocent=20
sources to that email address. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Never used Bit Defender, no opinions =
on it. Ditto=20
on NOD32/ESET. Bottom line is AVG never ever let me down, nor a =
client's home=20
machine, so I'm loathe to change a working plan of defense. I think =
Norton=20
sucks, and I think McAfee sucks just slightly less, FWIW. Trend has =
been=20
pretty strong from what I've seen in the corporate world. I use =
housecall to=20
clear up messes NAI and Symantec left behind on infected machines, and =
this=20
has been pretty consistent this entire year. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On another related topic that is for =
sure=20
coming... boy, can I wait for the virus clowns to start attacking and=20
infecting our phones and PDA's. As popular as the iPOD is, I'm =
just=20
amazed some smart aleck kid in Taiwan hasn't found a way to infect it =
and=20
pooch the library/licensing yet, either. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One thing at a time Aaron, one thing =
at a=20
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "uptown jimmy" <</FONT><A =
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>johnson314@bellsouth.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as the =
best in=20
class? It wants<BR>> me<BR>>>to uninstall Norton before =
installing=20
Bit Defender. Good move?<BR>>><BR>>>Also, if so, which =
package?=20
=
Satndard?<BR>>><BR>>>Thanks! <BR>>>Jimmy<BR>>><BR>=
>><BR>>><BR>></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
and=20
you?<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
..html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: OT: Virus protection [message #69733 is a reply to message #69726] |
Wed, 28 June 2006 01:59 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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2nd on ZA
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:15:12 -0400, "uptown jimmy"
<johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Aaron,
>
>You're saying you don't like the Windows XP firewall, but to use the Zone Alarm?
>
>Thanks,
>Jimmy
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:44a0c407@linux...
> Definitely, dump norton first. You do not want two A/V's running at the same time.
>
> Of my own personal machines, I use AVG free and of the half a dozen or so constantly connected to the net and running machines I have, how many viruses (including my personal 2003 MS server) have gotten through in the last 5+ years?
>
> ZERO
>
> Them's pretty good odds dude. AVG-Free has a nag message, but these are not corporate machines and I could care less that emails sent via outlook/outlook express have a "I use AVG" message at the bottom of them. It is otherwise completely non annoying.
>
> My spyware is Windows Defender Beta II currently... again, no problems.
> Zone Alarm has done what it's supposed to for years. I do not like the included window firewall, shut it off. Config ZA, don't just accept defaults. I also sit behind a hardware firewall/router. Anyone in their right mind that knows would, though.
> For spam blocking, it's been a crap shoot, and no one has been 100% on that one. Can't recommend anything there as better than say 60% area. Outlook 2003 has some things built in, but nothing is perfect. Spam is definitely a layered defense item. Bug the heck out of your ISP/mail service to filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail account, and send any 'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty until proven innocent sources to that email address.
>
> Never used Bit Defender, no opinions on it. Ditto on NOD32/ESET. Bottom line is AVG never ever let me down, nor a client's home machine, so I'm loathe to change a working plan of defense. I think Norton sucks, and I think McAfee sucks just slightly less, FWIW. Trend has been pretty strong from what I've seen in the corporate world. I use housecall to clear up messes NAI and Symantec left behind on infected machines, and this has been pretty consistent this entire year.
>
> On another related topic that is for sure coming... boy, can I wait for the virus clowns to start attacking and infecting our phones and PDA's. As popular as the iPOD is, I'm just amazed some smart aleck kid in Taiwan hasn't found a way to infect it and pooch the library/licensing yet, either.
> One thing at a time Aaron, one thing at a time.
>
> AA
>
>
> > "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as the best in class? It wants
> > me
> >>to uninstall Norton before installing Bit Defender. Good move?
> >>
> >>Also, if so, which package? Satndard?
> >>
> >>Thanks!
> >>Jimmy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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| Re: OT: Virus protection [message #69742 is a reply to message #69726] |
Wed, 28 June 2006 07:29 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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nope don't like it. I never hand the keys to the chicken house to the =
fox when I can avoid it.
AA
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:44a1c8c2@linux...
Aaron,
You're saying you don't like the Windows XP firewall, but to use the =
Zone Alarm?
Thanks,
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a0c407@linux...
Definitely, dump norton first. You do not want two A/V's running at =
the same time.=20
Of my own personal machines, I use AVG free and of the half a dozen =
or so constantly connected to the net and running machines I have, how =
many viruses (including my personal 2003 MS server) have gotten through =
in the last 5+ years?=20
ZERO
Them's pretty good odds dude. AVG-Free has a nag message, but these =
are not corporate machines and I could care less that emails sent via =
outlook/outlook express have a "I use AVG" message at the bottom of =
them. It is otherwise completely non annoying.=20
My spyware is Windows Defender Beta II currently... again, no =
problems.=20
Zone Alarm has done what it's supposed to for years. I do not like =
the included window firewall, shut it off. Config ZA, don't just accept =
defaults. I also sit behind a hardware firewall/router. Anyone in their =
right mind that knows would, though.
For spam blocking, it's been a crap shoot, and no one has been 100% =
on that one. Can't recommend anything there as better than say 60% area. =
Outlook 2003 has some things built in, but nothing is perfect. Spam is =
definitely a layered defense item. Bug the heck out of your ISP/mail =
service to filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail account, and send =
any 'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty until proven =
innocent sources to that email address.=20
Never used Bit Defender, no opinions on it. Ditto on NOD32/ESET. =
Bottom line is AVG never ever let me down, nor a client's home machine, =
so I'm loathe to change a working plan of defense. I think Norton sucks, =
and I think McAfee sucks just slightly less, FWIW. Trend has been pretty =
strong from what I've seen in the corporate world. I use housecall to =
clear up messes NAI and Symantec left behind on infected machines, and =
this has been pretty consistent this entire year.=20
On another related topic that is for sure coming... boy, can I wait =
for the virus clowns to start attacking and infecting our phones and =
PDA's. As popular as the iPOD is, I'm just amazed some smart aleck kid =
in Taiwan hasn't found a way to infect it and pooch the =
library/licensing yet, either.=20
One thing at a time Aaron, one thing at a time.
AA
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as the best in class? =
It wants
> me
>>to uninstall Norton before installing Bit Defender. Good move?
>>
>>Also, if so, which package? Satndard?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>>
>
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>nope don't like it. I never hand the =
keys to the=20
chicken house to the fox when I can avoid it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
wrote=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aaron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You're saying you don't like the =
Windows XP=20
firewall, but to use the Zone Alarm?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:44a0c407@linux">news:44a0c407@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Definitely, <U>dump norton =
first</U>. You do=20
<EM>not</EM> want two A/V's running at the same time. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of my own personal machines, I use =
AVG free and=20
of the half a dozen or so constantly connected to the net and =
running=20
machines I have, how many viruses (including my personal 2003 MS =
server)=20
have gotten through in the last 5+ years? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2><BR> =
&=
nbsp; & nbsp; =20
<U><STRONG>ZERO</STRONG></U></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><U><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT></U></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Them's pretty good odds dude. =
AVG-Free has a=20
nag message, but these are not corporate machines and I could care =
less that=20
emails sent via outlook/outlook express have a "I use AVG" message =
at the=20
bottom of them. It is otherwise completely non annoying. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My spyware is Windows Defender Beta =
II=20
currently... again, no problems. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Zone Alarm has done what it's =
supposed to for=20
years. I do not like the included window firewall, shut it off. =
Config ZA,=20
don't just accept defaults. I also sit behind a hardware =
firewall/router.=20
Anyone in their right mind that knows would, though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For spam blocking, it's been a crap =
shoot, and=20
no one has been 100% on that one. Can't recommend anything there as =
better=20
than say 60% area. Outlook 2003 has some things built in, but =
nothing is=20
perfect. Spam is definitely a layered defense item. Bug the heck out =
of your=20
ISP/mail service to filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail =
account, and=20
send any 'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty =
until=20
proven innocent sources to that email address. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Never used Bit Defender, no =
opinions on it.=20
Ditto on NOD32/ESET. Bottom line is AVG never ever let me down, nor =
a=20
client's home machine, so I'm loathe to change a working plan of =
defense. I=20
think Norton sucks, and I think McAfee sucks just slightly less, =
FWIW. Trend=20
has been pretty strong from what I've seen in the corporate world. I =
use=20
housecall to clear up messes NAI and Symantec left behind on =
infected=20
machines, and this has been pretty consistent this entire year.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On another related topic that is =
for sure=20
coming... boy, can I wait for the virus clowns to start attacking =
and=20
infecting our phones and PDA's. As popular as the iPOD is, I'm =
just=20
amazed some smart aleck kid in Taiwan hasn't found a way to infect =
it and=20
pooch the library/licensing yet, either. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One thing at a time Aaron, one =
thing at a=20
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "uptown jimmy" =
<</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>johnson314@bellsouth.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as the =
best in=20
class? It wants<BR>> me<BR>>>to uninstall Norton before =
installing=20
Bit Defender. Good move?<BR>>><BR>>>Also, if so, which =
package?=20
=
Satndard?<BR>>><BR>>>Thanks! <BR>>>Jimmy<BR>>><BR>=
>><BR>>><BR>></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
spam, and=20
you?<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
..html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>=
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| Re: OT: Virus protection [message #69746 is a reply to message #69742] |
Wed, 28 June 2006 09:33 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
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But you like the Windows Defender. Is that a Microsoft product?
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a2910a@linux...
nope don't like it. I never hand the keys to the chicken house to the =
fox when I can avoid it.
AA
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:44a1c8c2@linux...
Aaron,
You're saying you don't like the Windows XP firewall, but to use the =
Zone Alarm?
Thanks,
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a0c407@linux...
Definitely, dump norton first. You do not want two A/V's running =
at the same time.=20
Of my own personal machines, I use AVG free and of the half a =
dozen or so constantly connected to the net and running machines I have, =
how many viruses (including my personal 2003 MS server) have gotten =
through in the last 5+ years?=20
ZERO
Them's pretty good odds dude. AVG-Free has a nag message, but =
these are not corporate machines and I could care less that emails sent =
via outlook/outlook express have a "I use AVG" message at the bottom of =
them. It is otherwise completely non annoying.=20
My spyware is Windows Defender Beta II currently... again, no =
problems.=20
Zone Alarm has done what it's supposed to for years. I do not like =
the included window firewall, shut it off. Config ZA, don't just accept =
defaults. I also sit behind a hardware firewall/router. Anyone in their =
right mind that knows would, though.
For spam blocking, it's been a crap shoot, and no one has been =
100% on that one. Can't recommend anything there as better than say 60% =
area. Outlook 2003 has some things built in, but nothing is perfect. =
Spam is definitely a layered defense item. Bug the heck out of your =
ISP/mail service to filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail account, =
and send any 'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty =
until proven innocent sources to that email address.=20
Never used Bit Defender, no opinions on it. Ditto on NOD32/ESET. =
Bottom line is AVG never ever let me down, nor a client's home machine, =
so I'm loathe to change a working plan of defense. I think Norton sucks, =
and I think McAfee sucks just slightly less, FWIW. Trend has been pretty =
strong from what I've seen in the corporate world. I use housecall to =
clear up messes NAI and Symantec left behind on infected machines, and =
this has been pretty consistent this entire year.=20
On another related topic that is for sure coming... boy, can I =
wait for the virus clowns to start attacking and infecting our phones =
and PDA's. As popular as the iPOD is, I'm just amazed some smart aleck =
kid in Taiwan hasn't found a way to infect it and pooch the =
library/licensing yet, either.=20
One thing at a time Aaron, one thing at a time.
AA
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as the best in class? =
It wants
> me
>>to uninstall Norton before installing Bit Defender. Good move?
>>
>>Also, if so, which package? Satndard?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>>
>
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But you like the Windows Defender. Is =
that a=20
Microsoft product?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote in=20
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href=3D"news:44a2910a@linux">news:44a2910a@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>nope don't like it. I never hand the =
keys to the=20
chicken house to the fox when I can avoid it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:44a1c8c2@linux">news:44a1c8c2@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aaron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You're saying you don't like the =
Windows XP=20
firewall, but to use the Zone Alarm?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:44a0c407@linux">news:44a0c407@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Definitely, <U>dump norton =
first</U>. You do=20
<EM>not</EM> want two A/V's running at the same time. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of my own personal machines, I =
use AVG free=20
and of the half a dozen or so constantly connected to the net and =
running=20
machines I have, how many viruses (including my personal 2003 MS =
server)=20
have gotten through in the last 5+ years? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2><BR> =
&=
nbsp; & nbsp; =20
<U><STRONG>ZERO</STRONG></U></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><U><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT></U></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Them's pretty good odds dude. =
AVG-Free has a=20
nag message, but these are not corporate machines and I could care =
less=20
that emails sent via outlook/outlook express have a "I use AVG" =
message at=20
the bottom of them. It is otherwise completely non annoying. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My spyware is Windows Defender =
Beta II=20
currently... again, no problems. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Zone Alarm has done what it's =
supposed to for=20
years. I do not like the included window firewall, shut it off. =
Config ZA,=20
don't just accept defaults. I also sit behind a hardware =
firewall/router.=20
Anyone in their right mind that knows would, though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For spam blocking, it's been a =
crap shoot,=20
and no one has been 100% on that one. Can't recommend anything =
there as=20
better than say 60% area. Outlook 2003 has some things built in, =
but=20
nothing is perfect. Spam is definitely a layered defense item. Bug =
the=20
heck out of your ISP/mail service to filter ahead for you. sign up =
for a=20
hotmail account, and send any 'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff =
and=20
otherwise guilty until proven innocent sources to that email =
address.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Never used Bit Defender, no =
opinions on it.=20
Ditto on NOD32/ESET. Bottom line is AVG never ever let me down, =
nor a=20
client's home machine, so I'm loathe to change a working plan of =
defense.=20
I think Norton sucks, and I think McAfee sucks just slightly less, =
FWIW.=20
Trend has been pretty strong from what I've seen in the corporate =
world. I=20
use housecall to clear up messes NAI and Symantec left behind on =
infected=20
machines, and this has been pretty consistent this entire year.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On another related topic that is =
for sure=20
coming... boy, can I wait for the virus clowns to start attacking =
and=20
infecting our phones and PDA's. As popular as the iPOD is, =
I'm just=20
amazed some smart aleck kid in Taiwan hasn't found a way to infect =
it and=20
pooch the library/licensing yet, either. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One thing at a time Aaron, one =
thing at a=20
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "uptown jimmy" =
<</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>johnson314@bellsouth.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as =
the best=20
in class? It wants<BR>> me<BR>>>to uninstall Norton =
before=20
installing Bit Defender. Good move?<BR>>><BR>>>Also, =
if so,=20
which package?=20
=
Satndard?<BR>>><BR>>>Thanks! <BR>>>Jimmy<BR>>><BR>=
>><BR>>><BR>></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
spam, and=20
you?<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
..html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCK=
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| Re: OT: Virus protection [message #69756 is a reply to message #69746] |
Wed, 28 June 2006 16:02 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Sort of, and I see your concerns... basically, MS bought out a 3rd party =
app (GIANT was the beta I product) and built on it. Here's the deal =
though. The ZoneAlarm vs. Windows built in firewal app intended to block =
things out.... now do you REALLY think that MS is blocking themselves in =
their own firewall?=20
Of the spyware stuff.... my belief is that MS is going to spy on you if =
you're on the net. Period. What they won't do is sell your private data =
off on the black market or hang/hose your CPU time up with replicating. =
They'll have back doors, IMHO, that nobody else save the govt will be =
keen to. In a corporate, twisted kind of way I'm actually ok with this. =
That very thing might be the ticket to nailing some terrorists. Vista, =
after all the hoopla has died, will be little if any different in this =
respect. If you want a scary bedtime story, start reading all your =
EULAs. This goes for most EULAs (including Apple) outside of MS, but not =
all of course. There are freeware alternatives, but that a completely =
different bucket of worms. Bottom line in those EULAs is: You own =
nothing, you are allowed to USE software.=20
I'll pick my battles, and I can attest that the 100ish machines I have =
on beta II Windows Defender have zero fail/infections found by other =
means rates. In corporate security, it's about layers of protection so I =
prefer scans of the scanner from time to time to check the henhouse. =
Zero fails. That's not something I take lightly and it's about what =
quality of job is getting done, not as much as who's doing it.=20
FWIW.
AA
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:44a2ae0a@linux...
But you like the Windows Defender. Is that a Microsoft product?
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a2910a@linux...
nope don't like it. I never hand the keys to the chicken house to =
the fox when I can avoid it.
AA
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:44a1c8c2@linux...
Aaron,
You're saying you don't like the Windows XP firewall, but to use =
the Zone Alarm?
Thanks,
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a0c407@linux...
Definitely, dump norton first. You do not want two A/V's running =
at the same time.=20
Of my own personal machines, I use AVG free and of the half a =
dozen or so constantly connected to the net and running machines I have, =
how many viruses (including my personal 2003 MS server) have gotten =
through in the last 5+ years?=20
ZERO
Them's pretty good odds dude. AVG-Free has a nag message, but =
these are not corporate machines and I could care less that emails sent =
via outlook/outlook express have a "I use AVG" message at the bottom of =
them. It is otherwise completely non annoying.=20
My spyware is Windows Defender Beta II currently... again, no =
problems.=20
Zone Alarm has done what it's supposed to for years. I do not =
like the included window firewall, shut it off. Config ZA, don't just =
accept defaults. I also sit behind a hardware firewall/router. Anyone in =
their right mind that knows would, though.
For spam blocking, it's been a crap shoot, and no one has been =
100% on that one. Can't recommend anything there as better than say 60% =
area. Outlook 2003 has some things built in, but nothing is perfect. =
Spam is definitely a layered defense item. Bug the heck out of your =
ISP/mail service to filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail account, =
and send any 'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty =
until proven innocent sources to that email address.=20
Never used Bit Defender, no opinions on it. Ditto on NOD32/ESET. =
Bottom line is AVG never ever let me down, nor a client's home machine, =
so I'm loathe to change a working plan of defense. I think Norton sucks, =
and I think McAfee sucks just slightly less, FWIW. Trend has been pretty =
strong from what I've seen in the corporate world. I use housecall to =
clear up messes NAI and Symantec left behind on infected machines, and =
this has been pretty consistent this entire year.=20
On another related topic that is for sure coming... boy, can I =
wait for the virus clowns to start attacking and infecting our phones =
and PDA's. As popular as the iPOD is, I'm just amazed some smart aleck =
kid in Taiwan hasn't found a way to infect it and pooch the =
library/licensing yet, either.=20
One thing at a time Aaron, one thing at a time.
AA
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as the best in =
class? It wants
> me
>>to uninstall Norton before installing Bit Defender. Good move?
>>
>>Also, if so, which package? Satndard?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>>
>
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sort of, and I see your concerns... =
basically, MS=20
bought out a 3rd party app (GIANT was the beta I product) and built on =
it.=20
Here's the deal though. The ZoneAlarm vs. Windows built in firewal app =
intended=20
to block things out.... now do you REALLY think that MS is blocking =
themselves=20
in their own firewall? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of the spyware stuff.... my belief is =
that MS is=20
going to spy on you if you're on the net. Period. What they won't do is =
sell=20
your private data off on the black market or hang/hose your CPU time up =
with=20
replicating. They'll have back doors, IMHO, that nobody else save =
the govt=20
will be keen to. In a corporate, twisted kind of way I'm actually ok =
with this.=20
That very thing might be the ticket to nailing some terrorists. =
Vista,=20
after all the hoopla has died, will be little if any different in this =
respect.=20
If you want a scary bedtime story, start reading all your EULAs. This =
goes for=20
most EULAs (including Apple) outside of MS, but not all of course. There =
are=20
freeware alternatives, but that a completely different bucket of worms. =
Bottom=20
line in those EULAs is: You own nothing, you are allowed to USE =
software.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll pick my battles, and I can attest =
that the=20
100ish machines I have on beta II Windows Defender have zero =
fail/infections=20
found by other means rates. In corporate security, it's about layers of=20
protection so I prefer scans of the scanner from time to time to check =
the=20
henhouse. Zero fails. That's not something I take lightly and it's about =
what=20
quality of job is getting done, not as much as who's doing it. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>FWIW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
wrote=20
in message <A =
href=3D"news:44a2ae0a@linux">news:44a2ae0a@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But you like the Windows Defender. Is =
that a=20
Microsoft product?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:44a2910a@linux">news:44a2910a@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>nope don't like it. I never hand =
the keys to=20
the chicken house to the fox when I can avoid it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:44a1c8c2@linux">news:44a1c8c2@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aaron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You're saying you don't like the =
Windows XP=20
firewall, but to use the Zone Alarm?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> wrote =
in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:44a0c407@linux">news:44a0c407@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Definitely, <U>dump norton =
first</U>. You=20
do <EM>not</EM> want two A/V's running at the same time. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of my own personal machines, I =
use AVG free=20
and of the half a dozen or so constantly connected to the net =
and=20
running machines I have, how many viruses (including my personal =
2003 MS=20
server) have gotten through in the last 5+ =
years? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2><BR> =
&=
nbsp; & nbsp; =20
<U><STRONG>ZERO</STRONG></U></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><U><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT></U></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Them's pretty good odds dude. =
AVG-Free has=20
a nag message, but these are not corporate machines and I could =
care=20
less that emails sent via outlook/outlook express have a "I use =
AVG"=20
message at the bottom of them. It is otherwise completely =
non=20
annoying. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My spyware is Windows Defender =
Beta II=20
currently... again, no problems. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Zone Alarm has done what it's =
supposed to=20
for years. I do not like the included window firewall, shut it =
off.=20
Config ZA, don't just accept defaults. I also sit behind a =
hardware=20
firewall/router. Anyone in their right mind that knows would,=20
though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For spam blocking, it's been a =
crap shoot,=20
and no one has been 100% on that one. Can't recommend anything =
there as=20
better than say 60% area. Outlook 2003 has some things built in, =
but=20
nothing is perfect. Spam is definitely a layered defense item. =
Bug the=20
heck out of your ISP/mail service to filter ahead for you. sign =
up for a=20
hotmail account, and send any 'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff =
and=20
otherwise guilty until proven innocent sources to that email =
address.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Never used Bit Defender, no =
opinions on it.=20
Ditto on NOD32/ESET. Bottom line is AVG never ever let me down, =
nor a=20
client's home machine, so I'm loathe to change a working plan of =
defense. I think Norton sucks, and I think McAfee sucks just =
slightly=20
less, FWIW. Trend has been pretty strong from what I've seen in =
the=20
corporate world. I use housecall to clear up messes NAI and =
Symantec=20
left behind on infected machines, and this has been pretty =
consistent=20
this entire year. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On another related topic that =
is for sure=20
coming... boy, can I wait for the virus clowns to start =
attacking and=20
infecting our phones and PDA's. As popular as the iPOD is, =
I'm just=20
amazed some smart aleck kid in Taiwan hasn't found a way to =
infect it=20
and pooch the library/licensing yet, either. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One thing at a time Aaron, one =
thing at a=20
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "uptown jimmy" =
<</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>johnson314@bellsouth.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as =
the best=20
in class? It wants<BR>> me<BR>>>to uninstall Norton =
before=20
installing Bit Defender. Good move?<BR>>><BR>>>Also, =
if so,=20
which package?=20
=
Satndard?<BR>>><BR>>>Thanks! <BR>>>Jimmy<BR>>><BR>=
>><BR>>><BR>></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
spam, and=20
you?<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
..html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCK=
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Rock on. Good help here.
Frankly, I don't have a problem with Billy Gates anymore. I trust him =
more than Bush by a long shot. Hmmmmm...Gates for =
President.....hmmmm.....
Anyway, XP has been solid for me, and I use a variety of trawlers and =
crawlers to check for malware: Spyware Doctor and Blaster, Ad-Aware, =
Spybot Search and Destroy, etc.
Speaking of malware, does Windows Defender cover Trojans? I've been =
using TrojanHunter for a while now, but it seems overly proactive =
sometimes with its self-appointed moves and such...
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a3092b@linux...
Sort of, and I see your concerns... basically, MS bought out a 3rd =
party app (GIANT was the beta I product) and built on it. Here's the =
deal though. The ZoneAlarm vs. Windows built in firewal app intended to =
block things out.... now do you REALLY think that MS is blocking =
themselves in their own firewall?=20
Of the spyware stuff.... my belief is that MS is going to spy on you =
if you're on the net. Period. What they won't do is sell your private =
data off on the black market or hang/hose your CPU time up with =
replicating. They'll have back doors, IMHO, that nobody else save the =
govt will be keen to. In a corporate, twisted kind of way I'm actually =
ok with this. That very thing might be the ticket to nailing some =
terrorists. Vista, after all the hoopla has died, will be little if any =
different in this respect. If you want a scary bedtime story, start =
reading all your EULAs. This goes for most EULAs (including Apple) =
outside of MS, but not all of course. There are freeware alternatives, =
but that a completely different bucket of worms. Bottom line in those =
EULAs is: You own nothing, you are allowed to USE software.=20
I'll pick my battles, and I can attest that the 100ish machines I have =
on beta II Windows Defender have zero fail/infections found by other =
means rates. In corporate security, it's about layers of protection so I =
prefer scans of the scanner from time to time to check the henhouse. =
Zero fails. That's not something I take lightly and it's about what =
quality of job is getting done, not as much as who's doing it.=20
FWIW.
AA
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:44a2ae0a@linux...
But you like the Windows Defender. Is that a Microsoft product?
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a2910a@linux...
nope don't like it. I never hand the keys to the chicken house to =
the fox when I can avoid it.
AA
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:44a1c8c2@linux...
Aaron,
You're saying you don't like the Windows XP firewall, but to use =
the Zone Alarm?
Thanks,
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a0c407@linux...
Definitely, dump norton first. You do not want two A/V's =
running at the same time.=20
Of my own personal machines, I use AVG free and of the half a =
dozen or so constantly connected to the net and running machines I have, =
how many viruses (including my personal 2003 MS server) have gotten =
through in the last 5+ years?=20
ZERO
Them's pretty good odds dude. AVG-Free has a nag message, but =
these are not corporate machines and I could care less that emails sent =
via outlook/outlook express have a "I use AVG" message at the bottom of =
them. It is otherwise completely non annoying.=20
My spyware is Windows Defender Beta II currently... again, no =
problems.=20
Zone Alarm has done what it's supposed to for years. I do not =
like the included window firewall, shut it off. Config ZA, don't just =
accept defaults. I also sit behind a hardware firewall/router. Anyone in =
their right mind that knows would, though.
For spam blocking, it's been a crap shoot, and no one has been =
100% on that one. Can't recommend anything there as better than say 60% =
area. Outlook 2003 has some things built in, but nothing is perfect. =
Spam is definitely a layered defense item. Bug the heck out of your =
ISP/mail service to filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail account, =
and send any 'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty =
until proven innocent sources to that email address.=20
Never used Bit Defender, no opinions on it. Ditto on =
NOD32/ESET. Bottom line is AVG never ever let me down, nor a client's =
home machine, so I'm loathe to change a working plan of defense. I think =
Norton sucks, and I think McAfee sucks just slightly less, FWIW. Trend =
has been pretty strong from what I've seen in the corporate world. I use =
housecall to clear up messes NAI and Symantec left behind on infected =
machines, and this has been pretty consistent this entire year.=20
On another related topic that is for sure coming... boy, can I =
wait for the virus clowns to start attacking and infecting our phones =
and PDA's. As popular as the iPOD is, I'm just amazed some smart aleck =
kid in Taiwan hasn't found a way to infect it and pooch the =
library/licensing yet, either.=20
One thing at a time Aaron, one thing at a time.
AA
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as the best in =
class? It wants
> me
>>to uninstall Norton before installing Bit Defender. Good =
move?
>>
>>Also, if so, which package? Satndard?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>>
>
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rock on. Good help here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Frankly, I don't have a problem with =
Billy Gates=20
anymore. I trust him more than Bush by a long shot. Hmmmmm...Gates for=20
President.....hmmmm.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway, XP has been solid for me, and I =
use a=20
variety of trawlers and crawlers to check for malware: Spyware Doctor =
and=20
Blaster, Ad-Aware, Spybot Search and Destroy, etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Speaking of malware, does Windows =
Defender cover=20
Trojans? I've been using TrojanHunter for a while now, but it seems =
overly=20
proactive sometimes with its self-appointed moves and =
such...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:44a3092b@linux">news:44a3092b@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sort of, and I see your concerns... =
basically, MS=20
bought out a 3rd party app (GIANT was the beta I product) and built on =
it.=20
Here's the deal though. The ZoneAlarm vs. Windows built in firewal app =
intended to block things out.... now do you REALLY think that MS is =
blocking=20
themselves in their own firewall? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of the spyware stuff.... my belief is =
that MS is=20
going to spy on you if you're on the net. Period. What they won't do =
is sell=20
your private data off on the black market or hang/hose your CPU time =
up with=20
replicating. They'll have back doors, IMHO, that nobody else save =
the=20
govt will be keen to. In a corporate, twisted kind of way I'm actually =
ok with=20
this. That very thing might be the ticket to nailing some =
terrorists. =20
Vista, after all the hoopla has died, will be little if any different =
in this=20
respect. If you want a scary bedtime story, start reading all your =
EULAs. This=20
goes for most EULAs (including Apple) outside of MS, but not all of =
course.=20
There are freeware alternatives, but that a completely different =
bucket of=20
worms. Bottom line in those EULAs is: You own nothing, you are allowed =
to USE=20
software. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll pick my battles, and I can =
attest that the=20
100ish machines I have on beta II Windows Defender have zero =
fail/infections=20
found by other means rates. In corporate security, it's about layers =
of=20
protection so I prefer scans of the scanner from time to time to check =
the=20
henhouse. Zero fails. That's not something I take lightly and it's =
about what=20
quality of job is getting done, not as much as who's doing it. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>FWIW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:44a2ae0a@linux">news:44a2ae0a@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But you like the Windows Defender. =
Is that a=20
Microsoft product?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:44a2910a@linux">news:44a2910a@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>nope don't like it. I never hand =
the keys to=20
the chicken house to the fox when I can avoid =
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:44a1c8c2@linux">news:44a1c8c2@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aaron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You're saying you don't like =
the Windows XP=20
firewall, but to use the Zone Alarm?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> wrote=20
in message <A=20
href=3D"news:44a0c407@linux">news:44a0c407@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Definitely, <U>dump norton =
first</U>. You=20
do <EM>not</EM> want two A/V's running at the same time. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of my own personal machines, =
I use AVG=20
free and of the half a dozen or so constantly connected to the =
net and=20
running machines I have, how many viruses (including my =
personal 2003=20
MS server) have gotten through in the last 5+=20
years? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2><BR> =
&=
nbsp; & nbsp; =20
<U><STRONG>ZERO</STRONG></U></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><U><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></U></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Them's pretty good odds dude. =
AVG-Free=20
has a nag message, but these are not corporate machines and I =
could=20
care less that emails sent via outlook/outlook express have a =
"I use=20
AVG" message at the bottom of them. It is otherwise =
completely=20
non annoying. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My spyware is Windows =
Defender Beta II=20
currently... again, no problems. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Zone Alarm has done what it's =
supposed to=20
for years. I do not like the included window firewall, shut it =
off.=20
Config ZA, don't just accept defaults. I also sit behind a =
hardware=20
firewall/router. Anyone in their right mind that knows would,=20
though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For spam blocking, it's been =
a crap=20
shoot, and no one has been 100% on that one. Can't recommend =
anything=20
there as better than say 60% area. Outlook 2003 has some =
things built=20
in, but nothing is perfect. Spam is definitely a layered =
defense item.=20
Bug the heck out of your ISP/mail service to filter ahead for =
you.=20
sign up for a hotmail account, and send any 'unknown' sign =
ups,=20
internet stuff and otherwise guilty until proven innocent =
sources to=20
that email address. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Never used Bit Defender, no =
opinions on=20
it. Ditto on NOD32/ESET. Bottom line is AVG never ever let me =
down,=20
nor a client's home machine, so I'm loathe to change a working =
plan of=20
defense. I think Norton sucks, and I think McAfee sucks just =
slightly=20
less, FWIW. Trend has been pretty strong from what I've seen =
in the=20
corporate world. I use housecall to clear up messes NAI and =
Symantec=20
left behind on infected machines, and this has been pretty =
consistent=20
this entire year. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On another related topic that =
is for sure=20
coming... boy, can I wait for the virus clowns to start =
attacking and=20
infecting our phones and PDA's. As popular as the iPOD =
is, I'm=20
just amazed some smart aleck kid in Taiwan hasn't found a way =
to=20
infect it and pooch the library/licensing yet, either. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One thing at a time Aaron, =
one thing at a=20
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "uptown jimmy" =
<</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>johnson314@bellsouth.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender =
as the=20
best in class? It wants<BR>> me<BR>>>to uninstall =
Norton=20
before installing Bit Defender. Good=20
move?<BR>>><BR>>>Also, if so, which package?=20
=
Satndard?<BR>>><BR>>>Thanks! <BR>>>Jimmy<BR>>><BR>=
>><BR>>><BR>></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =
fight spam,=20
and you?<BR><A=20
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"and I use a variety of trawlers and crawlers to check for malware:=20
Spyware Doctor and Blaster, Ad-Aware, Spybot Search and Destroy, etc."
http://www.ewido.net/en/download/ Try the free version of ewido.=20
Works great and very few nags so far.
I also use some of the above and would include a recommendation:=20
to http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/free/ a-squared free version..
I have been very pleased with Firefox for over a year. =20
Only the occasional tracking cookie to clean up now and again.
Regards,
El Miguel
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:44a3233b@linux...
Rock on. Good help here.
Frankly, I don't have a problem with Billy Gates anymore. I trust him =
more than Bush by a long shot. Hmmmmm...Gates for =
President.....hmmmm.....
Anyway, XP has been solid for me, and I use a variety of trawlers and =
crawlers to check for malware: Spyware Doctor and Blaster, Ad-Aware, =
Spybot Search and Destroy, etc.
Speaking of malware, does Windows Defender cover Trojans? I've been =
using TrojanHunter for a while now, but it seems overly proactive =
sometimes with its self-appointed moves and such...
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a3092b@linux...
Sort of, and I see your concerns... basically, MS bought out a 3rd =
party app (GIANT was the beta I product) and built on it. Here's the =
deal though. The ZoneAlarm vs. Windows built in firewal app intended to =
block things out.... now do you REALLY think that MS is blocking =
themselves in their own firewall?=20
Of the spyware stuff.... my belief is that MS is going to spy on you =
if you're on the net. Period. What they won't do is sell your private =
data off on the black market or hang/hose your CPU time up with =
replicating. They'll have back doors, IMHO, that nobody else save the =
govt will be keen to. In a corporate, twisted kind of way I'm actually =
ok with this. That very thing might be the ticket to nailing some =
terrorists. Vista, after all the hoopla has died, will be little if any =
different in this respect. If you want a scary bedtime story, start =
reading all your EULAs. This goes for most EULAs (including Apple) =
outside of MS, but not all of course. There are freeware alternatives, =
but that a completely different bucket of worms. Bottom line in those =
EULAs is: You own nothing, you are allowed to USE software.=20
I'll pick my battles, and I can attest that the 100ish machines I =
have on beta II Windows Defender have zero fail/infections found by =
other means rates. In corporate security, it's about layers of =
protection so I prefer scans of the scanner from time to time to check =
the henhouse. Zero fails. That's not something I take lightly and it's =
about what quality of job is getting done, not as much as who's doing =
it.=20
FWIW.
AA
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:44a2ae0a@linux...
But you like the Windows Defender. Is that a Microsoft product?
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a2910a@linux...
nope don't like it. I never hand the keys to the chicken house =
to the fox when I can avoid it.
AA
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:44a1c8c2@linux...
Aaron,
You're saying you don't like the Windows XP firewall, but to =
use the Zone Alarm?
Thanks,
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a0c407@linux...
Definitely, dump norton first. You do not want two A/V's =
running at the same time.=20
Of my own personal machines, I use AVG free and of the half =
a dozen or so constantly connected to the net and running machines I =
have, how many viruses (including my personal 2003 MS server) have =
gotten through in the last 5+ years?=20
ZERO
Them's pretty good odds dude. AVG-Free has a nag message, =
but these are not corporate machines and I could care less that emails =
sent via outlook/outlook express have a "I use AVG" message at the =
bottom of them. It is otherwise completely non annoying.=20
My spyware is Windows Defender Beta II currently... again, =
no problems.=20
Zone Alarm has done what it's supposed to for years. I do =
not like the included window firewall, shut it off. Config ZA, don't =
just accept defaults. I also sit behind a hardware firewall/router. =
Anyone in their right mind that knows would, though.
For spam blocking, it's been a crap shoot, and no one has =
been 100% on that one. Can't recommend anything there as better than say =
60% area. Outlook 2003 has some things built in, but nothing is perfect. =
Spam is definitely a layered defense item. Bug the heck out of your =
ISP/mail service to filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail account, =
and send any 'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty =
until proven innocent sources to that email address.=20
Never used Bit Defender, no opinions on it. Ditto on =
NOD32/ESET. Bottom line is AVG never ever let me down, nor a client's =
home machine, so I'm loathe to change a working plan of defense. I think =
Norton sucks, and I think McAfee sucks just slightly less, FWIW. Trend =
has been pretty strong from what I've seen in the corporate world. I use =
housecall to clear up messes NAI and Symantec left behind on infected =
machines, and this has been pretty consistent this entire year.=20
On another related topic that is for sure coming... boy, can =
I wait for the virus clowns to start attacking and infecting our phones =
and PDA's. As popular as the iPOD is, I'm just amazed some smart aleck =
kid in Taiwan hasn't found a way to infect it and pooch the =
library/licensing yet, either.=20
One thing at a time Aaron, one thing at a time.
AA
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as the best in =
class? It wants
> me
>>to uninstall Norton before installing Bit Defender. Good =
move?
>>
>>Also, if so, which package? Satndard?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>>
>
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"and I use a variety of trawlers and =
crawlers to=20
check for malware: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spyware Doctor and Blaster, Ad-Aware, =
Spybot Search=20
and Destroy, etc."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.ewido.net/en/download/">http://www.ewido.net/en/downlo=
ad/</A> =20
Try the free version of ewido. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Works great and very few nags so =
far.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also use some of the above and would =
include a=20
recommendation: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/free/">http://www.emsisoft.co=
m/en/software/free/</A> =20
a-squared free version..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have been very pleased with Firefox =
for over a=20
year. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Only the occasional tracking cookie to =
clean up now=20
and again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>El Miguel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
wrote=20
in message <A =
href=3D"news:44a3233b@linux">news:44a3233b@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rock on. Good help here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Frankly, I don't have a problem with =
Billy Gates=20
anymore. I trust him more than Bush by a long shot. Hmmmmm...Gates for =
President.....hmmmm.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway, XP has been solid for me, and =
I use a=20
variety of trawlers and crawlers to check for malware: Spyware Doctor =
and=20
Blaster, Ad-Aware, Spybot Search and Destroy, etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Speaking of malware, does Windows =
Defender cover=20
Trojans? I've been using TrojanHunter for a while now, but it seems =
overly=20
proactive sometimes with its self-appointed moves and =
such...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:44a3092b@linux">news:44a3092b@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sort of, and I see your concerns... =
basically,=20
MS bought out a 3rd party app (GIANT was the beta I product) and =
built on=20
it. Here's the deal though. The ZoneAlarm vs. Windows built in =
firewal app=20
intended to block things out.... now do you REALLY think that MS is =
blocking=20
themselves in their own firewall? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of the spyware stuff.... my belief =
is that MS=20
is going to spy on you if you're on the net. Period. What they won't =
do is=20
sell your private data off on the black market or hang/hose your CPU =
time up=20
with replicating. They'll have back doors, IMHO, that =
nobody else save=20
the govt will be keen to. In a corporate, twisted kind of way I'm =
actually=20
ok with this. That very thing might be the ticket to nailing some=20
terrorists. Vista, after all the hoopla has died, will be =
little if=20
any different in this respect. If you want a scary bedtime story, =
start=20
reading all your EULAs. This goes for most EULAs (including Apple) =
outside=20
of MS, but not all of course. There are freeware alternatives, but =
that a=20
completely different bucket of worms. Bottom line in those EULAs is: =
You own=20
nothing, you are allowed to USE software. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll pick my battles, and I can =
attest that the=20
100ish machines I have on beta II Windows Defender have zero =
fail/infections=20
found by other means rates. In corporate security, it's about layers =
of=20
protection so I prefer scans of the scanner from time to time to =
check the=20
henhouse. Zero fails. That's not something I take lightly and it's =
about=20
what quality of job is getting done, not as much as who's doing it.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>FWIW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But you like the Windows =
Defender. Is that a=20
Microsoft product?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> wrote =
in=20
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href=3D"news:44a2910a@linux">news:44a2910a@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>nope don't like it. I never =
hand the keys=20
to the chicken house to the fox when I can avoid =
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
=20
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href=3D"news:44a1c8c2@linux">news:44a1c8c2@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aaron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You're saying you don't like =
the Windows=20
XP firewall, but to use the Zone Alarm?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:44a0c407@linux">news:44a0c407@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Definitely, <U>dump norton =
first</U>.=20
You do <EM>not</EM> want two A/V's running at the same time. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of my own personal =
machines, I use AVG=20
free and of the half a dozen or so constantly connected to =
the net=20
and running machines I have, how many viruses (including my =
personal=20
2003 MS server) have gotten through in the last 5+=20
years? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2><BR> =
&=
nbsp; & nbsp; =20
<U><STRONG>ZERO</STRONG></U></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><U><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></U></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Them's pretty good odds =
dude. AVG-Free=20
has a nag message, but these are not corporate machines and =
I could=20
care less that emails sent via outlook/outlook express have =
a "I use=20
AVG" message at the bottom of them. It is otherwise =
completely=20
non annoying. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My spyware is Windows =
Defender Beta II=20
currently... again, no problems. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Zone Alarm has done what =
it's supposed=20
to for years. I do not like the included window firewall, =
shut it=20
off. Config ZA, don't just accept defaults. I also sit =
behind a=20
hardware firewall/router. Anyone in their right mind that =
knows=20
would, though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For spam blocking, it's =
been a crap=20
shoot, and no one has been 100% on that one. Can't recommend =
anything there as better than say 60% area. Outlook 2003 has =
some=20
things built in, but nothing is perfect. Spam is definitely =
a=20
layered defense item. Bug the heck out of your ISP/mail =
service to=20
filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail account, and =
send any=20
'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty =
until proven=20
innocent sources to that email address. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Never used Bit Defender, no =
opinions on=20
it. Ditto on NOD32/ESET. Bottom line is AVG never ever let =
me down,=20
nor a client's home machine, so I'm loathe to change a =
working plan=20
of defense. I think Norton sucks, and I think McAfee sucks =
just=20
slightly less, FWIW. Trend has been pretty strong from what =
I've=20
seen in the corporate world. I use housecall to clear up =
messes NAI=20
and Symantec left behind on infected machines, and this has =
been=20
pretty consistent this entire year. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On another related topic =
that is for=20
sure coming... boy, can I wait for the virus clowns to start =
attacking and infecting our phones and PDA's. As =
popular as the=20
iPOD is, I'm just amazed some smart aleck kid in Taiwan =
hasn't found=20
a way to infect it and pooch the library/licensing yet, =
either.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One thing at a time Aaron, =
one thing at=20
a time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "uptown jimmy" =
<</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>johnson314@bellsouth.net</FONT></A><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>> wrote:<BR>>>Did some folks here =
recommend Bit=20
Defender as the best in class? It wants<BR>> =
me<BR>>>to=20
uninstall Norton before installing Bit Defender. Good=20
move?<BR>>><BR>>>Also, if so, which package?=20
=
Satndard?<BR>>><BR>>>Thanks! <BR>>>Jimmy<BR>>><BR>=
>><BR>>><BR>></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =
fight spam,=20
and you?<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
..html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCK=
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http://free.grisoft.com/doc/5390/lng/us/tpl/v5#ewido-free
I recenly installed that spyware blocker on a friend / Norton installed =
machine.=20
Found 150+ instances client said after installing. Had similar results =
using Trend Micro.=20
AA
"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message =
news:44ab393e@linux...
"and I use a variety of trawlers and crawlers to check for malware:=20
Spyware Doctor and Blaster, Ad-Aware, Spybot Search and Destroy, etc."
http://www.ewido.net/en/download/ Try the free version of ewido.=20
Works great and very few nags so far.
I also use some of the above and would include a recommendation:=20
to http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/free/ a-squared free version..
I have been very pleased with Firefox for over a year. =20
Only the occasional tracking cookie to clean up now and again.
Regards,
El Miguel
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:44a3233b@linux...
Rock on. Good help here.
Frankly, I don't have a problem with Billy Gates anymore. I trust =
him more than Bush by a long shot. Hmmmmm...Gates for =
President.....hmmmm.....
Anyway, XP has been solid for me, and I use a variety of trawlers =
and crawlers to check for malware: Spyware Doctor and Blaster, Ad-Aware, =
Spybot Search and Destroy, etc.
Speaking of malware, does Windows Defender cover Trojans? I've been =
using TrojanHunter for a while now, but it seems overly proactive =
sometimes with its self-appointed moves and such...
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a3092b@linux...
Sort of, and I see your concerns... basically, MS bought out a 3rd =
party app (GIANT was the beta I product) and built on it. Here's the =
deal though. The ZoneAlarm vs. Windows built in firewal app intended to =
block things out.... now do you REALLY think that MS is blocking =
themselves in their own firewall?=20
Of the spyware stuff.... my belief is that MS is going to spy on =
you if you're on the net. Period. What they won't do is sell your =
private data off on the black market or hang/hose your CPU time up with =
replicating. They'll have back doors, IMHO, that nobody else save the =
govt will be keen to. In a corporate, twisted kind of way I'm actually =
ok with this. That very thing might be the ticket to nailing some =
terrorists. Vista, after all the hoopla has died, will be little if any =
different in this respect. If you want a scary bedtime story, start =
reading all your EULAs. This goes for most EULAs (including Apple) =
outside of MS, but not all of course. There are freeware alternatives, =
but that a completely different bucket of worms. Bottom line in those =
EULAs is: You own nothing, you are allowed to USE software.=20
I'll pick my battles, and I can attest that the 100ish machines I =
have on beta II Windows Defender have zero fail/infections found by =
other means rates. In corporate security, it's about layers of =
protection so I prefer scans of the scanner from time to time to check =
the henhouse. Zero fails. That's not something I take lightly and it's =
about what quality of job is getting done, not as much as who's doing =
it.=20
FWIW.
AA
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:44a2ae0a@linux...
But you like the Windows Defender. Is that a Microsoft product?
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a2910a@linux...
nope don't like it. I never hand the keys to the chicken house =
to the fox when I can avoid it.
AA
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:44a1c8c2@linux...
Aaron,
You're saying you don't like the Windows XP firewall, but to =
use the Zone Alarm?
Thanks,
Jimmy
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:44a0c407@linux...
Definitely, dump norton first. You do not want two A/V's =
running at the same time.=20
Of my own personal machines, I use AVG free and of the =
half a dozen or so constantly connected to the net and running machines =
I have, how many viruses (including my personal 2003 MS server) have =
gotten through in the last 5+ years?=20
ZERO
Them's pretty good odds dude. AVG-Free has a nag message, =
but these are not corporate machines and I could care less that emails =
sent via outlook/outlook express have a "I use AVG" message at the =
bottom of them. It is otherwise completely non annoying.=20
My spyware is Windows Defender Beta II currently... again, =
no problems.=20
Zone Alarm has done what it's supposed to for years. I do =
not like the included window firewall, shut it off. Config ZA, don't =
just accept defaults. I also sit behind a hardware firewall/router. =
Anyone in their right mind that knows would, though.
For spam blocking, it's been a crap shoot, and no one has =
been 100% on that one. Can't recommend anything there as better than say =
60% area. Outlook 2003 has some things built in, but nothing is perfect. =
Spam is definitely a layered defense item. Bug the heck out of your =
ISP/mail service to filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail account, =
and send any 'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty =
until proven innocent sources to that email address.=20
Never used Bit Defender, no opinions on it. Ditto on =
NOD32/ESET. Bottom line is AVG never ever let me down, nor a client's =
home machine, so I'm loathe to change a working plan of defense. I think =
Norton sucks, and I think McAfee sucks just slightly less, FWIW. Trend =
has been pretty strong from what I've seen in the corporate world. I use =
housecall to clear up messes NAI and Symantec left behind on infected =
machines, and this has been pretty consistent this entire year.=20
On another related topic that is for sure coming... boy, =
can I wait for the virus clowns to start attacking and infecting our =
phones and PDA's. As popular as the iPOD is, I'm just amazed some smart =
aleck kid in Taiwan hasn't found a way to infect it and pooch the =
library/licensing yet, either.=20
One thing at a time Aaron, one thing at a time.
AA
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>Did some folks here recommend Bit Defender as the best =
in class? It wants
> me
>>to uninstall Norton before installing Bit Defender. Good =
move?
>>
>>Also, if so, which package? Satndard?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>>
>
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I recenly installed that spyware =
blocker on a=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Found 150+ instances client said =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Miguel Vigil" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nospam@nospam.com">nospam@nospam.com</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"and I use a variety of trawlers and =
crawlers to=20
check for malware: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spyware Doctor and Blaster, Ad-Aware, =
Spybot=20
Search and Destroy, etc."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.ewido.net/en/download/">http://www.ewido.net/en/downlo=
ad/</A> =20
Try the free version of ewido. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Works great and very few nags so=20
far.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also use some of the above and =
would include a=20
recommendation: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/free/">http://www.emsisoft.co=
m/en/software/free/</A> =20
a-squared free version..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have been very pleased with Firefox =
for over a=20
year. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Only the occasional tracking cookie =
to clean up=20
now and again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>El Miguel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rock on. Good help =
here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Frankly, I don't have a problem =
with Billy=20
Gates anymore. I trust him more than Bush by a long shot. =
Hmmmmm...Gates for=20
President.....hmmmm.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway, XP has been solid for me, =
and I use a=20
variety of trawlers and crawlers to check for malware: Spyware =
Doctor and=20
Blaster, Ad-Aware, Spybot Search and Destroy, etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Speaking of malware, does Windows =
Defender=20
cover Trojans? I've been using TrojanHunter for a while now, but it =
seems=20
overly proactive sometimes with its self-appointed moves and=20
such...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote in=20
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href=3D"news:44a3092b@linux">news:44a3092b@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sort of, and I see your =
concerns...=20
basically, MS bought out a 3rd party app (GIANT was the beta I =
product)=20
and built on it. Here's the deal though. The ZoneAlarm vs. Windows =
built=20
in firewal app intended to block things out.... now do you REALLY =
think=20
that MS is blocking themselves in their own firewall?=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of the spyware stuff.... my =
belief is that MS=20
is going to spy on you if you're on the net. Period. What they =
won't do is=20
sell your private data off on the black market or hang/hose your =
CPU time=20
up with replicating. They'll have back doors, IMHO, that =
nobody else=20
save the govt will be keen to. In a corporate, twisted kind of way =
I'm=20
actually ok with this. That very thing might be the ticket to =
nailing some=20
terrorists. Vista, after all the hoopla has died, will be =
little if=20
any different in this respect. If you want a scary bedtime story, =
start=20
reading all your EULAs. This goes for most EULAs (including Apple) =
outside=20
of MS, but not all of course. There are freeware alternatives, but =
that a=20
completely different bucket of worms. Bottom line in those EULAs =
is: You=20
own nothing, you are allowed to USE software. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll pick my battles, and I can =
attest that=20
the 100ish machines I have on beta II Windows Defender have zero=20
fail/infections found by other means rates. In corporate security, =
it's=20
about layers of protection so I prefer scans of the scanner from =
time to=20
time to check the henhouse. Zero fails. That's not something I =
take=20
lightly and it's about what quality of job is getting done, not as =
much as=20
who's doing it. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>FWIW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But you like the Windows =
Defender. Is that=20
a Microsoft product?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>> wrote=20
in message <A=20
href=3D"news:44a2910a@linux">news:44a2910a@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>nope don't like it. I never =
hand the keys=20
to the chicken house to the fox when I can avoid =
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:44a1c8c2@linux">news:44a1c8c2@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aaron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You're saying you don't =
like the=20
Windows XP firewall, but to use the Zone Alarm?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">nospam@not_here.dude</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:44a0c407@linux">news:44a0c407@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Definitely, <U>dump =
norton first</U>.=20
You do <EM>not</EM> want two A/V's running at the same =
time.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of my own personal =
machines, I use=20
AVG free and of the half a dozen or so constantly =
connected to the=20
net and running machines I have, how many viruses =
(including my=20
personal 2003 MS server) have gotten through in the last =
5+=20
years? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2><BR> =
&=
nbsp; & nbsp; =20
<U><STRONG>ZERO</STRONG></U></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><U><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></U></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Them's pretty good odds =
dude.=20
AVG-Free has a nag message, but these are not corporate =
machines=20
and I could care less that emails sent via outlook/outlook =
express=20
have a "I use AVG" message at the bottom of them. It =
is=20
otherwise completely non annoying. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My spyware is Windows =
Defender Beta=20
II currently... again, no problems. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Zone Alarm has done what =
it's=20
supposed to for years. I do not like the included window =
firewall,=20
shut it off. Config ZA, don't just accept defaults. I also =
sit=20
behind a hardware firewall/router. Anyone in their right =
mind that=20
knows would, though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For spam blocking, it's =
been a crap=20
shoot, and no one has been 100% on that one. Can't =
recommend=20
anything there as better than say 60% area. Outlook 2003 =
has some=20
things built in, but nothing is perfect. Spam is =
definitely a=20
layered defense item. Bug the heck out of your ISP/mail =
service to=20
filter ahead for you. sign up for a hotmail account, and =
send any=20
'unknown' sign ups, internet stuff and otherwise guilty =
until=20
proven innocent sources to that email address. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Never used Bit Defender, =
no opinions=20
on it. Ditto on NOD32/ESET. Bottom line is AVG never ever =
let me=20
down, nor a client's home machine, so I'm loathe to change =
a=20
working plan of defense. I think Norton sucks, and I think =
McAfee=20
sucks just slightly less, FWIW. Trend has been pretty =
strong from=20
what I've seen in the corporate world. I use housecall to =
clear up=20
messes NAI and Symantec left behind on infected machines, =
and this=20
has been pretty consistent this entire year. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On another related topic =
that is for=20
sure coming... boy, can I wait for the virus clowns to =
start=20
attacking and infecting our phones and PDA's. As =
popular as=20
the iPOD is, I'm just amazed some smart aleck kid in =
Taiwan hasn't=20
found a way to infect it and pooch the library/licensing =
yet,=20
either. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One thing at a time =
Aaron, one thing=20
at a time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "uptown jimmy" =
<</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>johnson314@bellsouth.net</FONT></A><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>> wrote:<BR>>>Did some folks here =
recommend Bit=20
Defender as the best in class? It wants<BR>> =
me<BR>>>to=20
uninstall Norton before installing Bit Defender. Good=20
move?<BR>>><BR>>>Also, if so, which package?=20
=
Satndard?<BR>>><BR>>>Thanks! <BR>>>Jimmy<BR>>><BR>=
>><BR>>><BR>></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =
fight=20
spam, and you?<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
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