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| Re: Anyone know if "+/- 10 ppm" is good for word clocks? [message #70755 is a reply to message #70754] |
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Deej [1]
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I'm not sure what the "ppm" stands for, exactly (parts per million comes to
mind though I'm not sure how that would apply to a clock signal), but it has
to do with the internal clock accuracy-the Lucid GENx192 has internal clock
accuracy: ± 25 ppm according to it's spec sheet.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GENx192/
The Rosendahl Nanosync specs are :
temperature compensated VCXO; +/- 0.5 ppm @ ambient temperature 15 - 30
Celsius
http://www.rosendahl-studiotechnik.de/nanosyncs.html
This Rosendahl unit is a more expensive WC.than the Lucid.
I'm using a Lucid GENX6 in my studio which probably has about the same specs
as the GENX192 and it's a step up from the Paris clock to be sure.
Since less is probably a good thing, I'd say that the ± 10 ppm would be
better than the ± 25 ppm (Lucid) , at least on paper. Now whether an $80.00
Hosa WC is *really* superior in accuracy to a $700.00 Lucid WC is another
question altogether but then again, the HOSA unit is very basic...no frills.
..
I'd say that if you're hearing a positive difference, don't sweat it. After
all, we all know that a $1000.00 Paris rig sounds better than a $40,000.00
PTHD rig so there are a few nice surprises out there still.
If it sounds right, it "is" right.
;o)
Deej
a "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:44cff599$1@linux...
> That's the spec for the Hosa wdc-427.
>
> thanks,
> -Carl
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| Re: Anyone know if "+/- 10 ppm" is good for word clocks? [message #70756 is a reply to message #70755] |
Tue, 01 August 2006 20:02 |
Carl Amburn
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Interesting. I think this little Hosa is a winner. I'm certainly going to
hang on to the little guy.
-Carl
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:44d00c3c@linux...
> I'm not sure what the "ppm" stands for, exactly (parts per million comes
to
> mind though I'm not sure how that would apply to a clock signal), but it
has
> to do with the internal clock accuracy-the Lucid GENx192 has internal
clock
> accuracy: ± 25 ppm according to it's spec sheet.
>
> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GENx192/
>
> The Rosendahl Nanosync specs are :
> temperature compensated VCXO; +/- 0.5 ppm @ ambient temperature 15 - 30
> Celsius
>
> http://www.rosendahl-studiotechnik.de/nanosyncs.html
>
> This Rosendahl unit is a more expensive WC.than the Lucid.
>
> I'm using a Lucid GENX6 in my studio which probably has about the same
specs
> as the GENX192 and it's a step up from the Paris clock to be sure.
>
> Since less is probably a good thing, I'd say that the ± 10 ppm would be
> better than the ± 25 ppm (Lucid) , at least on paper. Now whether an
$80.00
> Hosa WC is *really* superior in accuracy to a $700.00 Lucid WC is another
> question altogether but then again, the HOSA unit is very basic...no
frills.
> .
> I'd say that if you're hearing a positive difference, don't sweat it.
After
> all, we all know that a $1000.00 Paris rig sounds better than a $40,000.00
> PTHD rig so there are a few nice surprises out there still.
>
> If it sounds right, it "is" right.
>
> ;o)
>
> Deej
>
>
>
>
>
> a "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44cff599$1@linux...
> > That's the spec for the Hosa wdc-427.
> >
> > thanks,
> > -Carl
> >
> >
>
>
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| Re: Anyone know if "+/- 10 ppm" is good for word clocks? [message #70762 is a reply to message #70755] |
Wed, 02 August 2006 01:25 |
Martin Harrington
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PPM = Peak Programme Meter.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:44d00c3c@linux...
> I'm not sure what the "ppm" stands for, exactly (parts per million comes
> to
> mind though I'm not sure how that would apply to a clock signal), but it
> has
> to do with the internal clock accuracy-the Lucid GENx192 has internal
> clock
> accuracy: ± 25 ppm according to it's spec sheet.
>
> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GENx192/
>
> The Rosendahl Nanosync specs are :
> temperature compensated VCXO; +/- 0.5 ppm @ ambient temperature 15 - 30
> Celsius
>
> http://www.rosendahl-studiotechnik.de/nanosyncs.html
>
> This Rosendahl unit is a more expensive WC.than the Lucid.
>
> I'm using a Lucid GENX6 in my studio which probably has about the same
> specs
> as the GENX192 and it's a step up from the Paris clock to be sure.
>
> Since less is probably a good thing, I'd say that the ± 10 ppm would be
> better than the ± 25 ppm (Lucid) , at least on paper. Now whether an
> $80.00
> Hosa WC is *really* superior in accuracy to a $700.00 Lucid WC is another
> question altogether but then again, the HOSA unit is very basic...no
> frills.
> .
> I'd say that if you're hearing a positive difference, don't sweat it.
> After
> all, we all know that a $1000.00 Paris rig sounds better than a $40,000.00
> PTHD rig so there are a few nice surprises out there still.
>
> If it sounds right, it "is" right.
>
> ;o)
>
> Deej
>
>
>
>
>
> a "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44cff599$1@linux...
>> That's the spec for the Hosa wdc-427.
>>
>> thanks,
>> -Carl
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Anyone know if "+/- 10 ppm" is good for word clocks? [message #70782 is a reply to message #70762] |
Wed, 02 August 2006 13:12 |
Carl Amburn
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Ok, after a little research - DJ's guess is correct. ppm stands for "parts
per million", and is a measurement of oscillation - the amplitude or
amplitude variance.
-Carl
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:44d06029@linux...
> PPM = Peak Programme Meter.
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:44d00c3c@linux...
> > I'm not sure what the "ppm" stands for, exactly (parts per million comes
> > to
> > mind though I'm not sure how that would apply to a clock signal), but it
> > has
> > to do with the internal clock accuracy-the Lucid GENx192 has internal
> > clock
> > accuracy: ± 25 ppm according to it's spec sheet.
> >
> > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GENx192/
> >
> > The Rosendahl Nanosync specs are :
> > temperature compensated VCXO; +/- 0.5 ppm @ ambient temperature 15 - 30
> > Celsius
> >
> > http://www.rosendahl-studiotechnik.de/nanosyncs.html
> >
> > This Rosendahl unit is a more expensive WC.than the Lucid.
> >
> > I'm using a Lucid GENX6 in my studio which probably has about the same
> > specs
> > as the GENX192 and it's a step up from the Paris clock to be sure.
> >
> > Since less is probably a good thing, I'd say that the ± 10 ppm would be
> > better than the ± 25 ppm (Lucid) , at least on paper. Now whether an
> > $80.00
> > Hosa WC is *really* superior in accuracy to a $700.00 Lucid WC is
another
> > question altogether but then again, the HOSA unit is very basic...no
> > frills.
> > .
> > I'd say that if you're hearing a positive difference, don't sweat it.
> > After
> > all, we all know that a $1000.00 Paris rig sounds better than a
$40,000.00
> > PTHD rig so there are a few nice surprises out there still.
> >
> > If it sounds right, it "is" right.
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> > Deej
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > a "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:44cff599$1@linux...
> >> That's the spec for the Hosa wdc-427.
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> -Carl
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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| Re: Anyone know if "+/- 10 ppm" is good for word clocks? [message #70793 is a reply to message #70791] |
Wed, 02 August 2006 18:08 |
Neil
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Deej, you shouldn't have to recable anything (OK, maybe I'm not
thinking specficially about YOUR rig lol!). When you're doing
Hi-Rez, just set your Cubase Project Setup menu to 96k (or
whatever), and your Multiface software settings to "external"
clock/sync; then when you're doing normal rez, set your Project
Setup dropdown menu to 44.1k, and your Multiface software
settings to "internal" clock/sync.
Or have I missed something in your convoluted nightmare of an
Eniac system? lol
Neil
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I may have to order one of these too. It's a real hassle to recable my
>Cubase rig for Hi Rez recording. With this I could hook it up, set it to
>96k, then keep it turned off while I'm using Paris, but if I don't want
to
>have Paris clocking the native DAW or need higher sample rates, I can keep
>Paris turned off and just use the the little Hoser.
>
>;oD
>
>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:44d14071@linux...
>> Nope, but I've ordered it.
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:44d104c0$1@linux...
>> >
>> > Thanks for the info - $80 and it sounds better than the Paris clock
-
>> > outstanding!!
>> > Anyone else have one yet?
>> >
>> > "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>> >>That's the spec for the Hosa wdc-427.
>> >>
>> >>thanks,
>> >>-Carl
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
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| Re: Anyone know if "+/- 10 ppm" is good for word clocks? [message #70807 is a reply to message #70782] |
Thu, 03 August 2006 00:55 |
Martin Harrington
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With all due respect, Carl, on all modern recording systems, PPM metering is
peak programme.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:44d105c0$1@linux...
> Ok, after a little research - DJ's guess is correct. ppm stands for "parts
> per million", and is a measurement of oscillation - the amplitude or
> amplitude variance.
>
> -Carl
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:44d06029@linux...
>> PPM = Peak Programme Meter.
>> --
>> Martin Harrington
>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:44d00c3c@linux...
>> > I'm not sure what the "ppm" stands for, exactly (parts per million
>> > comes
>> > to
>> > mind though I'm not sure how that would apply to a clock signal), but
>> > it
>> > has
>> > to do with the internal clock accuracy-the Lucid GENx192 has internal
>> > clock
>> > accuracy: ± 25 ppm according to it's spec sheet.
>> >
>> > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GENx192/
>> >
>> > The Rosendahl Nanosync specs are :
>> > temperature compensated VCXO; +/- 0.5 ppm @ ambient temperature 15 - 30
>> > Celsius
>> >
>> > http://www.rosendahl-studiotechnik.de/nanosyncs.html
>> >
>> > This Rosendahl unit is a more expensive WC.than the Lucid.
>> >
>> > I'm using a Lucid GENX6 in my studio which probably has about the same
>> > specs
>> > as the GENX192 and it's a step up from the Paris clock to be sure.
>> >
>> > Since less is probably a good thing, I'd say that the ± 10 ppm would be
>> > better than the ± 25 ppm (Lucid) , at least on paper. Now whether an
>> > $80.00
>> > Hosa WC is *really* superior in accuracy to a $700.00 Lucid WC is
> another
>> > question altogether but then again, the HOSA unit is very basic...no
>> > frills.
>> > .
>> > I'd say that if you're hearing a positive difference, don't sweat it.
>> > After
>> > all, we all know that a $1000.00 Paris rig sounds better than a
> $40,000.00
>> > PTHD rig so there are a few nice surprises out there still.
>> >
>> > If it sounds right, it "is" right.
>> >
>> > ;o)
>> >
>> > Deej
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > a "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:44cff599$1@linux...
>> >> That's the spec for the Hosa wdc-427.
>> >>
>> >> thanks,
>> >> -Carl
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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| Re: Anyone know if "+/- 10 ppm" is good for word clocks? [message #70808 is a reply to message #70807] |
Thu, 03 August 2006 01:41 |
Carl Amburn
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Heya Martin - I'm sure that PPM "metering" is exactly what you are talking
about. Apples and oranges here perhaps? The quartz crystal (what drive the
phase locked loop (pll) circuits in these word clocks) specs I was looking
to define are listed as this......
Quartz Crystal Application Notes
Definition of Terms
Nominal frequency: The specified center frequency of the crystal. Unit of
frequency is Hertz (Hz). Quartz crystals are specified in kHz or MHz.
Frequency tolerance: The maximum allowable frequency deviation from a
specified nominal frequency at ambient room temperature (25°C + 3°C).
Frequency tolerance is expressed in percent (%) or parts per millions (ppm).
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:44d1aac9$1@linux...
> With all due respect, Carl, on all modern recording systems, PPM metering
is
> peak programme.
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44d105c0$1@linux...
> > Ok, after a little research - DJ's guess is correct. ppm stands for
"parts
> > per million", and is a measurement of oscillation - the amplitude or
> > amplitude variance.
> >
> > -Carl
> >
> > "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:44d06029@linux...
> >> PPM = Peak Programme Meter.
> >> --
> >> Martin Harrington
> >> www.lendanear-sound.com
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> news:44d00c3c@linux...
> >> > I'm not sure what the "ppm" stands for, exactly (parts per million
> >> > comes
> >> > to
> >> > mind though I'm not sure how that would apply to a clock signal), but
> >> > it
> >> > has
> >> > to do with the internal clock accuracy-the Lucid GENx192 has internal
> >> > clock
> >> > accuracy: ± 25 ppm according to it's spec sheet.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GENx192/
> >> >
> >> > The Rosendahl Nanosync specs are :
> >> > temperature compensated VCXO; +/- 0.5 ppm @ ambient temperature 15 -
30
> >> > Celsius
> >> >
> >> > http://www.rosendahl-studiotechnik.de/nanosyncs.html
> >> >
> >> > This Rosendahl unit is a more expensive WC.than the Lucid.
> >> >
> >> > I'm using a Lucid GENX6 in my studio which probably has about the
same
> >> > specs
> >> > as the GENX192 and it's a step up from the Paris clock to be sure.
> >> >
> >> > Since less is probably a good thing, I'd say that the ± 10 ppm would
be
> >> > better than the ± 25 ppm (Lucid) , at least on paper. Now whether an
> >> > $80.00
> >> > Hosa WC is *really* superior in accuracy to a $700.00 Lucid WC is
> > another
> >> > question altogether but then again, the HOSA unit is very basic...no
> >> > frills.
> >> > .
> >> > I'd say that if you're hearing a positive difference, don't sweat it.
> >> > After
> >> > all, we all know that a $1000.00 Paris rig sounds better than a
> > $40,000.00
> >> > PTHD rig so there are a few nice surprises out there still.
> >> >
> >> > If it sounds right, it "is" right.
> >> >
> >> > ;o)
> >> >
> >> > Deej
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > a "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:44cff599$1@linux...
> >> >> That's the spec for the Hosa wdc-427.
> >> >>
> >> >> thanks,
> >> >> -Carl
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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| Re: Anyone know if "+/- 10 ppm" is good for word clocks? [message #70811 is a reply to message #70793] |
Thu, 03 August 2006 02:02 |
rick
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i think you could be standing right in front of "the thing that ate
deej's brain" for days and still miss something...in this case the you
i used means any bipedal creature that gets a woody over gear.
On 3 Aug 2006 11:08:30 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Deej, you shouldn't have to recable anything (OK, maybe I'm not
>thinking specficially about YOUR rig lol!). When you're doing
>Hi-Rez, just set your Cubase Project Setup menu to 96k (or
>whatever), and your Multiface software settings to "external"
>clock/sync; then when you're doing normal rez, set your Project
>Setup dropdown menu to 44.1k, and your Multiface software
>settings to "internal" clock/sync.
>
>Or have I missed something in your convoluted nightmare of an
>Eniac system? lol
>
>Neil
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>I may have to order one of these too. It's a real hassle to recable my
>>Cubase rig for Hi Rez recording. With this I could hook it up, set it to
>>96k, then keep it turned off while I'm using Paris, but if I don't want
>to
>>have Paris clocking the native DAW or need higher sample rates, I can keep
>>Paris turned off and just use the the little Hoser.
>>
>>;oD
>>
>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:44d14071@linux...
>>> Nope, but I've ordered it.
>>> AA
>>>
>>>
>>> "rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:44d104c0$1@linux...
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for the info - $80 and it sounds better than the Paris clock
>-
>>> > outstanding!!
>>> > Anyone else have one yet?
>>> >
>>> > "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>That's the spec for the Hosa wdc-427.
>>> >>
>>> >>thanks,
>>> >>-Carl
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Anyone know if "+/- 10 ppm" is good for word clocks? [message #70818 is a reply to message #70808] |
Thu, 03 August 2006 02:30 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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My apologies Carl, we were obviously, (looking back at the original post),
talking about 2 different animals.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:44d1b48e$1@linux...
> Heya Martin - I'm sure that PPM "metering" is exactly what you are talking
> about. Apples and oranges here perhaps? The quartz crystal (what drive the
> phase locked loop (pll) circuits in these word clocks) specs I was looking
> to define are listed as this......
>
> Quartz Crystal Application Notes
> Definition of Terms
>
> Nominal frequency: The specified center frequency of the crystal. Unit of
> frequency is Hertz (Hz). Quartz crystals are specified in kHz or MHz.
>
> Frequency tolerance: The maximum allowable frequency deviation from a
> specified nominal frequency at ambient room temperature (25°C + 3°C).
> Frequency tolerance is expressed in percent (%) or parts per millions
> (ppm).
>
>
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:44d1aac9$1@linux...
>> With all due respect, Carl, on all modern recording systems, PPM metering
> is
>> peak programme.
>> --
>> Martin Harrington
>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:44d105c0$1@linux...
>> > Ok, after a little research - DJ's guess is correct. ppm stands for
> "parts
>> > per million", and is a measurement of oscillation - the amplitude or
>> > amplitude variance.
>> >
>> > -Carl
>> >
>> > "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>> > news:44d06029@linux...
>> >> PPM = Peak Programme Meter.
>> >> --
>> >> Martin Harrington
>> >> www.lendanear-sound.com
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:44d00c3c@linux...
>> >> > I'm not sure what the "ppm" stands for, exactly (parts per million
>> >> > comes
>> >> > to
>> >> > mind though I'm not sure how that would apply to a clock signal),
>> >> > but
>> >> > it
>> >> > has
>> >> > to do with the internal clock accuracy-the Lucid GENx192 has
>> >> > internal
>> >> > clock
>> >> > accuracy: ± 25 ppm according to it's spec sheet.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GENx192/
>> >> >
>> >> > The Rosendahl Nanosync specs are :
>> >> > temperature compensated VCXO; +/- 0.5 ppm @ ambient temperature 15 -
> 30
>> >> > Celsius
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.rosendahl-studiotechnik.de/nanosyncs.html
>> >> >
>> >> > This Rosendahl unit is a more expensive WC.than the Lucid.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm using a Lucid GENX6 in my studio which probably has about the
> same
>> >> > specs
>> >> > as the GENX192 and it's a step up from the Paris clock to be sure.
>> >> >
>> >> > Since less is probably a good thing, I'd say that the ± 10 ppm would
> be
>> >> > better than the ± 25 ppm (Lucid) , at least on paper. Now whether an
>> >> > $80.00
>> >> > Hosa WC is *really* superior in accuracy to a $700.00 Lucid WC is
>> > another
>> >> > question altogether but then again, the HOSA unit is very basic...no
>> >> > frills.
>> >> > .
>> >> > I'd say that if you're hearing a positive difference, don't sweat
>> >> > it.
>> >> > After
>> >> > all, we all know that a $1000.00 Paris rig sounds better than a
>> > $40,000.00
>> >> > PTHD rig so there are a few nice surprises out there still.
>> >> >
>> >> > If it sounds right, it "is" right.
>> >> >
>> >> > ;o)
>> >> >
>> >> > Deej
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > a "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:44cff599$1@linux...
>> >> >> That's the spec for the Hosa wdc-427.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> thanks,
>> >> >> -Carl
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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| Re: Anyone know if "+/- 10 ppm" is good for word clocks? [message #70824 is a reply to message #70811] |
Thu, 03 August 2006 07:44 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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Dear Dr. Neil and Uncle Ricky,
1. 4 x MECs and a Mytek A/D converter are being clocked by a Lucid GenX6
2. The GenX6 is an old one that is limited to 48k
3. Using the Mytek as a master clock hasn't been as successful as I had
hoped with Paris, therefore it is slaved to the Lucid.
4. The MECs are clocking 3 x RME cards via ADAT sync.
5. Simultaneously hooking up a WC to the RME cards while they are synced to
Paris ADAT causes the system to crash hard.
6. The Three RME cards have 75 ohm terminator caps on the BNC clock outputs.
7. The three RME cards do not have terminators on the BNC clock inputs
8. In order to use the RME cards in standalone mode at 44.1, I have to have
the Paris DAW and MECs running and Paris booted.
9. Cubase cannot be run at over 48k unless it is using the RME clock
10. In order to use the RME clock, I would have to daisy chain the RME cards
which would mean disconnecting and reconnecting certain cables which would
have to be reconfigured after every session and this would require some
minimal effore on my part involving approsximately 5 bending and stretching
movements along with some possible rotational efforst involving the wrist,
not to mention the walk around the desk to the machine room.
11. If the Hosa clock was just hooked up to the the 3 x RME BNC inputs and
the Mytek converter BNC input, and tuned off, It would not be sending a
conflicting clock signal to the RME cards when they were being clocked from
the MECs and I wouldn't have to crawl around in my machine room and recable
a bunch of stuff.
12. If I wanted to record HiRez, I could just not boot the Paris DAW and
flip a switch to start the HOSA WC, the boot the Cubase DAW, make a couple
of chaznges to the settings in the HDSP control panel to change it from ADAT
sync to WC sync (an incredible hassle, but nothing is perfect, I guess) and
then I'b be good to go for 88.1 or 96k tracking to my Mytek A/D converter
and my Multiface.
..........and truly guys, I can't possibly imagine why you would ask such a
question at all when something like this is so obvious in the first place. I
mean, this is on page 1 of the DAW 101 workbook.........right?
;o)
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4pe3d2lkg9ag4ogni2p14hh9kbf7c3qidp@4ax.com...
> i think you could be standing right in front of "the thing that ate
> deej's brain" for days and still miss something...in this case the you
> i used means any bipedal creature that gets a woody over gear.
>
> On 3 Aug 2006 11:08:30 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Deej, you shouldn't have to recable anything (OK, maybe I'm not
> >thinking specficially about YOUR rig lol!). When you're doing
> >Hi-Rez, just set your Cubase Project Setup menu to 96k (or
> >whatever), and your Multiface software settings to "external"
> >clock/sync; then when you're doing normal rez, set your Project
> >Setup dropdown menu to 44.1k, and your Multiface software
> >settings to "internal" clock/sync.
> >
> >Or have I missed something in your convoluted nightmare of an
> >Eniac system? lol
> >
> >Neil
> >
> >
> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>I may have to order one of these too. It's a real hassle to recable my
> >>Cubase rig for Hi Rez recording. With this I could hook it up, set it to
> >>96k, then keep it turned off while I'm using Paris, but if I don't want
> >to
> >>have Paris clocking the native DAW or need higher sample rates, I can
keep
> >>Paris turned off and just use the the little Hoser.
> >>
> >>;oD
> >>
> >>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:44d14071@linux...
> >>> Nope, but I've ordered it.
> >>> AA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44d104c0$1@linux...
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks for the info - $80 and it sounds better than the Paris clock
> >-
> >>> > outstanding!!
> >>> > Anyone else have one yet?
> >>> >
> >>> > "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>That's the spec for the Hosa wdc-427.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>thanks,
> >>> >>-Carl
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> >>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
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| Re: Anyone know if "+/- 10 ppm" is good for word clocks? [message #70835 is a reply to message #70824] |
Thu, 03 August 2006 11:51 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
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well now that you have published a simple how to guide i can admit the
error in my premature judgement call. for some reason (must be an age
thing) i thought your set up was much more complicated than explained
below. so admitting that (how big of me) what the hell took you so
long to figure this out?????????????????? age...is a terrible thing
to some...more than others. what dear????? drinks are ready....soryy
sir but i have to go water my brain.
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:44:07 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Dear Dr. Neil and Uncle Ricky,
>
>1. 4 x MECs and a Mytek A/D converter are being clocked by a Lucid GenX6
>2. The GenX6 is an old one that is limited to 48k
>3. Using the Mytek as a master clock hasn't been as successful as I had
>hoped with Paris, therefore it is slaved to the Lucid.
>4. The MECs are clocking 3 x RME cards via ADAT sync.
>5. Simultaneously hooking up a WC to the RME cards while they are synced to
>Paris ADAT causes the system to crash hard.
>6. The Three RME cards have 75 ohm terminator caps on the BNC clock outputs.
>7. The three RME cards do not have terminators on the BNC clock inputs
>8. In order to use the RME cards in standalone mode at 44.1, I have to have
>the Paris DAW and MECs running and Paris booted.
>9. Cubase cannot be run at over 48k unless it is using the RME clock
>10. In order to use the RME clock, I would have to daisy chain the RME cards
>which would mean disconnecting and reconnecting certain cables which would
>have to be reconfigured after every session and this would require some
>minimal effore on my part involving approsximately 5 bending and stretching
>movements along with some possible rotational efforst involving the wrist,
>not to mention the walk around the desk to the machine room.
>11. If the Hosa clock was just hooked up to the the 3 x RME BNC inputs and
>the Mytek converter BNC input, and tuned off, It would not be sending a
>conflicting clock signal to the RME cards when they were being clocked from
>the MECs and I wouldn't have to crawl around in my machine room and recable
>a bunch of stuff.
>12. If I wanted to record HiRez, I could just not boot the Paris DAW and
>flip a switch to start the HOSA WC, the boot the Cubase DAW, make a couple
>of chaznges to the settings in the HDSP control panel to change it from ADAT
>sync to WC sync (an incredible hassle, but nothing is perfect, I guess) and
>then I'b be good to go for 88.1 or 96k tracking to my Mytek A/D converter
>and my Multiface.
>
>.........and truly guys, I can't possibly imagine why you would ask such a
>question at all when something like this is so obvious in the first place. I
>mean, this is on page 1 of the DAW 101 workbook.........right?
>
>;o)
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4pe3d2lkg9ag4ogni2p14hh9kbf7c3qidp@4ax.com...
>> i think you could be standing right in front of "the thing that ate
>> deej's brain" for days and still miss something...in this case the you
>> i used means any bipedal creature that gets a woody over gear.
>>
>> On 3 Aug 2006 11:08:30 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Deej, you shouldn't have to recable anything (OK, maybe I'm not
>> >thinking specficially about YOUR rig lol!). When you're doing
>> >Hi-Rez, just set your Cubase Project Setup menu to 96k (or
>> >whatever), and your Multiface software settings to "external"
>> >clock/sync; then when you're doing normal rez, set your Project
>> >Setup dropdown menu to 44.1k, and your Multiface software
>> >settings to "internal" clock/sync.
>> >
>> >Or have I missed something in your convoluted nightmare of an
>> >Eniac system? lol
>> >
>> >Neil
>> >
>> >
>> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>I may have to order one of these too. It's a real hassle to recable my
>> >>Cubase rig for Hi Rez recording. With this I could hook it up, set it to
>> >>96k, then keep it turned off while I'm using Paris, but if I don't want
>> >to
>> >>have Paris clocking the native DAW or need higher sample rates, I can
>keep
>> >>Paris turned off and just use the the little Hoser.
>> >>
>> >>;oD
>> >>
>> >>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>news:44d14071@linux...
>> >>> Nope, but I've ordered it.
>> >>> AA
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:44d104c0$1@linux...
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks for the info - $80 and it sounds better than the Paris clock
>> >-
>> >>> > outstanding!!
>> >>> > Anyone else have one yet?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>That's the spec for the Hosa wdc-427.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>thanks,
>> >>> >>-Carl
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> >>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
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| Re: Anyone know if "+/- 10 ppm" is good for word clocks? [message #70853 is a reply to message #70824] |
Thu, 03 August 2006 16:30 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
>>>2. The GenX6 is an old one that is limited to 48k
Oh, there's the problem... sorry, thought you had the 96k
version like mine (Genx6-96).
Neil
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Dear Dr. Neil and Uncle Ricky,
>
>1. 4 x MECs and a Mytek A/D converter are being clocked by a Lucid GenX6
>2. The GenX6 is an old one that is limited to 48k
>3. Using the Mytek as a master clock hasn't been as successful as I had
>hoped with Paris, therefore it is slaved to the Lucid.
>4. The MECs are clocking 3 x RME cards via ADAT sync.
>5. Simultaneously hooking up a WC to the RME cards while they are synced
to
>Paris ADAT causes the system to crash hard.
>6. The Three RME cards have 75 ohm terminator caps on the BNC clock outputs.
>7. The three RME cards do not have terminators on the BNC clock inputs
>8. In order to use the RME cards in standalone mode at 44.1, I have to have
>the Paris DAW and MECs running and Paris booted.
>9. Cubase cannot be run at over 48k unless it is using the RME clock
>10. In order to use the RME clock, I would have to daisy chain the RME cards
>which would mean disconnecting and reconnecting certain cables which would
>have to be reconfigured after every session and this would require some
>minimal effore on my part involving approsximately 5 bending and stretching
>movements along with some possible rotational efforst involving the wrist,
>not to mention the walk around the desk to the machine room.
>11. If the Hosa clock was just hooked up to the the 3 x RME BNC inputs and
>the Mytek converter BNC input, and tuned off, It would not be sending a
>conflicting clock signal to the RME cards when they were being clocked from
>the MECs and I wouldn't have to crawl around in my machine room and recable
>a bunch of stuff.
>12. If I wanted to record HiRez, I could just not boot the Paris DAW and
>flip a switch to start the HOSA WC, the boot the Cubase DAW, make a couple
>of chaznges to the settings in the HDSP control panel to change it from
ADAT
>sync to WC sync (an incredible hassle, but nothing is perfect, I guess)
and
>then I'b be good to go for 88.1 or 96k tracking to my Mytek A/D converter
>and my Multiface.
>
>.........and truly guys, I can't possibly imagine why you would ask such
a
>question at all when something like this is so obvious in the first place.
I
>mean, this is on page 1 of the DAW 101 workbook.........right?
>
>;o)
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4pe3d2lkg9ag4ogni2p14hh9kbf7c3qidp@4ax.com...
>> i think you could be standing right in front of "the thing that ate
>> deej's brain" for days and still miss something...in this case the you
>> i used means any bipedal creature that gets a woody over gear.
>>
>> On 3 Aug 2006 11:08:30 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Deej, you shouldn't have to recable anything (OK, maybe I'm not
>> >thinking specficially about YOUR rig lol!). When you're doing
>> >Hi-Rez, just set your Cubase Project Setup menu to 96k (or
>> >whatever), and your Multiface software settings to "external"
>> >clock/sync; then when you're doing normal rez, set your Project
>> >Setup dropdown menu to 44.1k, and your Multiface software
>> >settings to "internal" clock/sync.
>> >
>> >Or have I missed something in your convoluted nightmare of an
>> >Eniac system? lol
>> >
>> >Neil
>> >
>> >
>> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>I may have to order one of these too. It's a real hassle to recable
my
>> >>Cubase rig for Hi Rez recording. With this I could hook it up, set it
to
>> >>96k, then keep it turned off while I'm using Paris, but if I don't want
>> >to
>> >>have Paris clocking the native DAW or need higher sample rates, I can
>keep
>> >>Paris turned off and just use the the little Hoser.
>> >>
>> >>;oD
>> >>
>> >>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>news:44d14071@linux...
>> >>> Nope, but I've ordered it.
>> >>> AA
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:44d104c0$1@linux...
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks for the info - $80 and it sounds better than the Paris clock
>> >-
>> >>> > outstanding!!
>> >>> > Anyone else have one yet?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >>That's the spec for the Hosa wdc-427.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>thanks,
>> >>> >>-Carl
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> >>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Anyone know if "+/- 10 ppm" is good for word clocks? [message #70854 is a reply to message #70853] |
Thu, 03 August 2006 16:34 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Since I can't have active WC cables hooked up to the RME cards while Paris
is running even if I did have a 96k Lucid, I would be required to perform
certain rotational wrist movements when connecting/disconnecting the cables
from the RME cards as opposed to just flipping a switch on the Hosa, so
.......
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote in message news:44d28705$1@linux...
>
> >>>2. The GenX6 is an old one that is limited to 48k
>
> Oh, there's the problem... sorry, thought you had the 96k
> version like mine (Genx6-96).
>
> Neil
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Dear Dr. Neil and Uncle Ricky,
> >
> >1. 4 x MECs and a Mytek A/D converter are being clocked by a Lucid GenX6
> >2. The GenX6 is an old one that is limited to 48k
> >3. Using the Mytek as a master clock hasn't been as successful as I had
> >hoped with Paris, therefore it is slaved to the Lucid.
> >4. The MECs are clocking 3 x RME cards via ADAT sync.
> >5. Simultaneously hooking up a WC to the RME cards while they are synced
> to
> >Paris ADAT causes the system to crash hard.
> >6. The Three RME cards have 75 ohm terminator caps on the BNC clock
outputs.
> >7. The three RME cards do not have terminators on the BNC clock inputs
> >8. In order to use the RME cards in standalone mode at 44.1, I have to
have
> >the Paris DAW and MECs running and Paris booted.
> >9. Cubase cannot be run at over 48k unless it is using the RME clock
> >10. In order to use the RME clock, I would have to daisy chain the RME
cards
> >which would mean disconnecting and reconnecting certain cables which
would
> >have to be reconfigured after every session and this would require some
> >minimal effore on my part involving approsximately 5 bending and
stretching
> >movements along with some possible rotational efforst involving the
wrist,
> >not to mention the walk around the desk to the machine room.
> >11. If the Hosa clock was just hooked up to the the 3 x RME BNC inputs
and
> >the Mytek converter BNC input, and tuned off, It would not be sending a
> >conflicting clock signal to the RME cards when they were being clocked
from
> >the MECs and I wouldn't have to crawl around in my machine room and
recable
> >a bunch of stuff.
> >12. If I wanted to record HiRez, I could just not boot the Paris DAW and
> >flip a switch to start the HOSA WC, the boot the Cubase DAW, make a
couple
> >of chaznges to the settings in the HDSP control panel to change it from
> ADAT
> >sync to WC sync (an incredible hassle, but nothing is perfect, I guess)
> and
> >then I'b be good to go for 88.1 or 96k tracking to my Mytek A/D converter
> >and my Multiface.
> >
> >.........and truly guys, I can't possibly imagine why you would ask such
> a
> >question at all when something like this is so obvious in the first
place.
> I
> >mean, this is on page 1 of the DAW 101 workbook.........right?
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:4pe3d2lkg9ag4ogni2p14hh9kbf7c3qidp@4ax.com...
> >> i think you could be standing right in front of "the thing that ate
> >> deej's brain" for days and still miss something...in this case the you
> >> i used means any bipedal creature that gets a woody over gear.
> >>
> >> On 3 Aug 2006 11:08:30 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Deej, you shouldn't have to recable anything (OK, maybe I'm not
> >> >thinking specficially about YOUR rig lol!). When you're doing
> >> >Hi-Rez, just set your Cubase Project Setup menu to 96k (or
> >> >whatever), and your Multiface software settings to "external"
> >> >clock/sync; then when you're doing normal rez, set your Project
> >> >Setup dropdown menu to 44.1k, and your Multiface software
> >> >settings to "internal" clock/sync.
> >> >
> >> >Or have I missed something in your convoluted nightmare of an
> >> >Eniac system? lol
> >> >
> >> >Neil
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>I may have to order one of these too. It's a real hassle to recable
> my
> >> >>Cubase rig for Hi Rez recording. With this I could hook it up, set it
> to
> >> >>96k, then keep it turned off while I'm using Paris, but if I don't
want
> >> >to
> >> >>have Paris clocking the native DAW or need higher sample rates, I can
> >keep
> >> >>Paris turned off and just use the the little Hoser.
> >> >>
> >> >>;oD
> >> >>
> >> >>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> >news:44d14071@linux...
> >> >>> Nope, but I've ordered it.
> >> >>> AA
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:44d104c0$1@linux...
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Thanks for the info - $80 and it sounds better than the Paris
clock
> >> >-
> >> >>> > outstanding!!
> >> >>> > Anyone else have one yet?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> >>That's the spec for the Hosa wdc-427.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>thanks,
> >> >>> >>-Carl
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> >> >>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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