| hush media pc [message #55383] |
Fri, 08 July 2005 05:59  |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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> on the planet without reservation.
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> If you want to find the best beer, ask someone who drinks a lot of
different
> beers. They can then judge, without bias, which beer really does compare
> well.
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> If you want to find the best news service...
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> I may be underestimating your media experience based on the figures I have
> heard. My experince is that many on this group are better educated in such
> things than, perhaps, the average from their culture.
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> It seems a little unrealistic though for you to ask me to be careful of
media
> sources outside the U.S. I'm a little surprised you didn't, or at least
appeared
> not to, realise that.
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> I guess my rep
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| Re: hush media pc [message #55410 is a reply to message #55383] |
Fri, 08 July 2005 11:36  |
Mark McDermott
Messages: 204
Registered: February 2006
Location: Portland, OR
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blem where the oil was?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Because the *problem* was Sadaam, who had already destabilized the
>> >>>>region
>> >>>>and invaded one of our allies, Kuwait and had refused to abide by the
> UN
>> >>>>resolutions that were the conditions that allowed him to remain in
>> >>>>power.
>> >>>I
>> >>>>don't see that scenario anywhere else at the moment.
>> >>>
>> >>>Well perhaps not exactly the same circumstances, but lets face it, you
>> >>>guys
>> >>>were allies with Iraq with the same dude in power, as was the case
>> >>>with
>> >>Afghanistan/Taliban.
>> >>>Not that I should be complaining, either to you, or GWB, that this
>> >>>scenario
>> >>>has changed. I guess I just don't look over history and think how you
>> >>>guys
>> >>&
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| Re: hush media pc [message #55412 is a reply to message #55383] |
Fri, 08 July 2005 12:07 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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see it, UN have allways had problems to do any sanctions because of the
veto rights that the biggest echonomical nations have. Why aren't America
generally talking about these FACTS when talking about how problematic it is
with UN. So for me, it's not UN's fault at all, it's much more these big
nations that nearly allways are making their own rights if their echonomical
structure are loosing money to other parts. So if there's any statistic over
which of these countries that have used the vetoright most up against the
years, I think we'll see US and the not existing Sovjet at the big top. It's
all about echonomy, or the "fuckin'"money that we allways want more of;-(
So I think we here are seeing most of the problems and not generally with
UN, as it's a great trying to do something with the big problems in the
world. But with nations like US, there isn't any chance at all to do
something, if there isn't any money to make on the problems at the end!
Have a look at the problems the rest of the world are having with the Kyoto
protocol, just
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| Re: hush media pc [message #55434 is a reply to message #55397] |
Fri, 08 July 2005 19:56 |
wmarkwilson
Messages: 114
Registered: July 2005
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tely serious
about this.
He stammers all the time... I don't buy this - it's very
subjective, but I'll try & notice the next time he speaks about
something.
>The trouble with nuking cities is that it will only escalate the violence.
Nope, one terrorist bombing = one Islamic city nuked. Two
bombings = two cities nuked. How long do you think it would
take before the entire Islamic world turned over every
terrorist? Not long. Not all of them believe in being
martyrs... many of them just want to live thier lives just like
we do and some of those people are harboring terrorists just
because there's no retribution.. once the retribution starts,
we'd see how many of them want to harbor those bastards any
longer. Fuck the morality issue when it's an issue of
survival... at that point there really is no right & wrong, you
know? Is it wrong for the wolf to kill the deer in order to
survive? No, the wolf can't farm crops, or go to the store to
buy canned meat... killing the deer in order to survive isn't
right or wrong, it just "is". The forebears of modern man & the
Neanderthals lived in some of the same regions simultaneously
for a LONG time... was it wrong for Cro-Magnon man to
outcompete the Neanderthals so that the Neanderthals became
extinct? No, it just was about survival. When one group
threatens another to the point where one of those groups' way
of life is on the verge of ending, then it's all about who has
the resolve to win, or the means to win & the WILL to employ
those means. Neanderthals. Rome. American Indians. Tsarist
Russia, and then Soviet
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| Re: hush media pc [message #55446 is a reply to message #55412] |
Fri, 08 July 2005 22:35 |
Deej [3]
Messages: 181
Registered: June 2005
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he pattern.
> If you look up figures on things like where people holiday, and as I said
> before, what media people watch, you'll find that the U.S. tends to keep
> to itself. I think generally people on this group are fairly broadminded
> compared to their average countryman, possibly in part because discussions
> like this have been going for quite a while here. I would certainly admit
> I've learned a lot about the perspectives of many in the process, and I'm
> sure I'm not the only one.
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> >Case in point: for us here in the US, Australia is where Crocodile
Dundee
> >came from, and where the deadliest snakes, insects and ocean live dwell
> -
> >making for a very scary place, especially if you go on a walk-about alone
> in
> >search of Kiwi and Koalas. ;-) (a little lightening of the mood).
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> I can assure you that the biggest threat to me right now is that my
housemate
> might get drunk and smash a bottle. ;o)
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> >As far as other brutal leaderships - perhaps you are referring to
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> I'm not referring to anyone really... just that there's a long list, and
> indeed some of the brutal leaderships are listed as allies by, well, lots
> of people, as always. Turkey for one example, but I'm not really trying to
> make specific examples, just to say that I don't buy the good guy thing.
> If I knew someone who constantly tripped up old ladies, and then one day
> saw that person helping an old lady cross the street, well I wouldn't buy
> the theory that this person was doing it because he was a good guy. I'd be
> asking questions like "Is this old lady rich?" and things like that. Now
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| Re: hush media pc [message #55450 is a reply to message #55446] |
Sat, 09 July 2005 02:38 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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Did you go to Iraq to see what life was like there before UN sanctions to
> say that they destroyed the country? Interesting how Bush-haters
> conveniently blame everyone but Saddam for Iraq's problems.
Dedric, that's a straw man argument. First, who are "Bush haters"? I
think people here are interested in smart and
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