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Fri, 12 January 2007 01:12   |
excelav
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Did OXS it's self crash, or PT?
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>You say that I said Macs crash..well.they do...and it happened today.
>We were setting up a tech run for a new 10 week series I'm starting to
>shoot, (record location audio), and set up a new Macbook loaded with Pro
>Tools V7.0, (OSX 10.4), I think.
>Every time we went to open PT, it crashed requiring a reboot...who knows
>why...probably version conflicts...dunno.
>I use Macs on a fairly regular basis, and if you could see my PC desktop,
>you would see Rocket Dock displayed prominently at the bottom ala
>Mac....(btw, I do own a Mac, just don't use it very often.)
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45a6b2f0$1@linux...
>>
>> Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
>> Unlike
>> you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a regular
>> basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
>> I've
>> been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold, and
>> built
>> many PCs
>>
>> I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating
>> systems.
>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but
>> that's
>> where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines are
>> a major PITA to deal with.
>>
>> There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all
the
>> stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
>> stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
>> Some
>> recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced
at
>> CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like
the
>> Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what color?
>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may be
>> MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>
>> I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have
>> mention
>> all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here. It's
>> always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been
>> using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I think
>> the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing. I
>> don't
>> know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
>> problem
>> free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally
>> speaking,
>> and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>
>> I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
>> 1994!
>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use the
>> same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but you
>> have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it
>> cost???
>> The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all the
>> problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an example
>> of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love to
>> tinker
>> and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>> folks.
>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>
>> My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
>> impressed
>> with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys
>> that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My thing
>> can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>> The
>> old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
My
>> windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw
>> to arms challenge.
>>
>> I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is
>> better
>> and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out
>> completely.
>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface
>> are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a
>> smaller
>> sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
>> can
>> create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more
>> features
>> and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom
>> in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc.
>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you
rip
>> on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>
>> Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products. It's
>> always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
>> when your going to bash something.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and discover
>>
>>>what we all see.
>>>--
>>>Martin Harrington
>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>>
>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx syncs
>>>> with
>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy bettter
>>>> than
>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they
>> are
>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit of
>>>> third
>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
Only
>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for the
>>
>>>> average
>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>>> Again,
>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>
>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>>> better
>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>
>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they have
>>
>>>> copied
>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
>>>> aqua
>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant rip
>> off
>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at it
for
>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
The
>>>>>
>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>>
>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
>> stop
>>>>>with
>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because we're
>>>>>
>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>
>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is at
>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the UI,
>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a
>>>>>>>> koolaid
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>>>>>>>> earned
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my final
>>>>
>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
the
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy for
>>
>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
it
>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>> it's
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and
a
>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus all
>> my
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those times
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use a
>>>>>>>> Psion
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's a
lot
>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one if
>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now.
None
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
>> has
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their needs.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
>>>> is
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all
MS
>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>> you
>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are
>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx.. It
>> like
>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket..
:)
>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20&subj=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? Is
it
>>>> a
>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78222 is a reply to message #78208] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 01:23 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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LaMont I love ya man, but I gotta call you out on this one. The G4 you work
on is a 867Mhz right? That machine is from 2001! That's a six year old
machine your talking about being slow!!!! Check it out at www.apple-history.com
You conveniently remember things the way you want to. When Apple announced
that they had the fastest personal computer on the planet, they did. That
was the truth, that's the fact, if it wasn't, Intel, AMD, Dell, Gateway,
HP, and every other other PC manufacture would have sued Apple and won!!!!!
Now might be a good time for you to file a suit against Apple if you think
they misrepresented a product they sold you. However, I think you would
find that claim would be frivolous. Computer processors through out history
have quickly leapfrogged each other in processing power. For a time the
were the fastest. The testing was done independently. The Mac bashing PC
zealots spread the lie that the tests were fixed.
The G4 was a good processor, it was noted in the industry for being a work
horse. The G4 was fast in it's time, in computer years, that was a long
time ago. Your still complaining about it, and calling Steve Jobs a lier.
Of corse every company uses marketing spin, Jobs doesn't lie. And at least
Apple doesn't steal the technology and call it their own. Once again the
G4 had a different architecture than the Pentium chips. The G4 had 8 data
pipelines going in and out of the chip. The P4 had 2. The G4 had way more
cache on board than the P4 did, in some cases more than 4 times as much.
The G4 would typically compete toe to toe with a P4 with twice the clock
speed.
Apple, AMD. IBM and Motorola, started calling Intel out on "The MHz Myth".
Clock speed no longer was the only determining factor in computing speed,
system and processor architecture ruled the day, thus AMD's equal to a P4
XX GHz labeling on there processors. I still use my G4 1.25 MHz and I can
tell you from experience, it is faster than my p4 2.4 and 2.8 prescott dual
threaded with faster bussing.
So you say that the G5 were slow. In there time, they weren't and they're
still not slow! But you constantly say they are, and call Steve Jobs a lier.
Back when the G5 came out it was #3 in the world! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search=
The G5 is not a slow computer. Apple uses independent testing laboratories.
It just more anti Mac bashing on your part.
You say that because Apple moved to Intel it proves that you were right all
along, not even close! When Apple Dumped the Mac cloning, motorola was pissed.
I know first hand, they told me. They also told me they were going to get
Apple back because they had a 90 million dollar charge off. They stalled
Apple on G4 processor shipments and intentionally slowed the processor speed
jumps.
Apple turned to IBM. When Jobs announced the G5 for the first time, he stated
in the keynote that they would be at 3 GHz with in a year, and the road map
looked great. That was IBMs road map. IBM couldn't deliver!!!! Two years
later Apple was at 2.7GHz, and not the newer generation G5s. The G5 was
too hot! Apple even turned to Delphi automotive to develop a cooling system.
They had no way of putting the G5 in a laptop. So they went with one of
Apples contingency plans they had been working on for five years, Intel!
Intel had a new generation of processors coming out, that were faster, cooler
and they also had a low power consuming mobile processors. It was a no brainer,
win, win deal. Intel could deliver. I think it was also a message to MS
to keep working with Apple on MS Office development for the Mac.
You have to bash the Mac every chance you get. You have taken things personally.
Your venom for Steve Jobs is unbelievable. I think you need to be honest
about things. How many new Mac computers have you personally bought? Your
still not over Logic, and even though you don't use logic you rip on it every
chance you get. It's the same old PC zealot stuff, Logic sucks and it's
all done. Apple's going out of business any minute now, try again!
In the past, some big organizations did some studied on cost of operation.
Boeing, Hues Aircraft, the US Navy and others. What they found was they
needed a minimum of 6 people for every 100 PCs to maintain them. They only
needed 0 to one person to maintain 100 Macs. The cost difference was significant.
The truth is Mac users don't really need IT guys like the PC world does.
You IT guys know it and you hate that.
So lets tell some truth. Your a Microsoft certified IT guy, right? You
have taken quite a few Microsoft training classes, right? And you make your
living with Microsoft products and Microsoft certification, right? The real
truth is Apple computers don't need IT Guys to maintain them. Apple computers
are a perceived threat to It guys, that's why you guys all have so much venom
for anything Apple. It's not that Apple sucks, it's that you guys all hate
any thing Apple. Why don't you just admit it?
You said or at least insinuated that Windows is a standard, but anything
Mac is not. In many cases Apple has created the standard and MS just copies
it. It's all just typical Mac bashing PC zealot stuff. It's down right
insulting to a Mac user to say that were drinking the Steve Jobs Kool-Aid.
The insinuation is that we are all stupid people that are gullible enough
to believe a bunch of lies. That we use an inferior product. Like I say
your welcome to sue Apple any time your ready to back up your BS. If you
were honest about it all, you be speaking up about MS's behavior instead
of giving THEM the free pass! Dude, to rip on Apple or Steve Jobs, and in
effect putting down Mac users every chance you get is just plain lame.
Apple doesn't suck, just admit it.
By the way, My original post had noting to do with Mac vs. PC. I wasn't
trying to say this product is better than yours. I was just saying check
it out, it's cool!
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hi Ted and others,
>
>I think the reason(s) why the mention of Steve Jobs and Keynotes brings
out
>so much venom, as you say, is because of the both the past and even current
>lies and propaganda that spews from his mouth..
>
>Statements like : Re-invent and Faster Personal Computer ever in my opinion
>is just plain wrong. I know too many had working people who believed His
>(Jobs) hype. Only to be sorely disa pointed when they found out that the
>Cpu test were rigged, and their Mac did "crash" on both OS8,9 and even OS-X(all
>versions).
>
>He (Jobs) usually mocks at windows user and Microsoft when he starts his
>keynote.(read: Dumb) When 90 percent of this world are using Windows based
>computers.
>
>So, the venom is actually corrections to the lies Mr Jobs spews. When Mac
>users come and reguritate Mr Jobs lies, most Windows users will not just
>let them get away with such.
>
>I don't see anything wrong with setting the record straight.
>P.S.
>The Mac Pro is currently thee fastest Personal Computer on the market..
:)
>
>
>
>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>I have never entered into any computer platform discussion pro or con
>>in this newsgroup. I have my own preferences having worked on both, but
>I'm
>>not pushing my views on anyone else, except over beers at the local pub
>with
>>friends who are ready, willing and able. (As an aside, they are 1. Always
>>vehemont, and 2. Without any actual real world experience on one of the
>>platforms in question).
>>
>>I have to say that I am amazed by the venom that spews whenever someone
>>points to something Mac. It seems irrational to me. As if Steve Jobs personally
>>injured some on this group. Why do we worry so much about things we have
>>no
>>control over? If someone points out a new plug, or a new amp, or instrument,
>>things usually don't get personal. The recent donnybrook over Politics,
>Religion
>>and
>>War is regrettable but not surprising. But somebody pointing to a new product
>>from a computer co and getting sarcasm, disgust, resentment and
>>mockery just makes no sense.
>>
>>Ted
>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
>Unlike
>>>you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a regular
>>>basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
>I've
>>>been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold, and
>>built
>>>many PCs
>>>
>>>I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating systems.
>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but
>that's
>>>where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines are
>>>a major PITA to deal with.
>>>
>>>There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all
the
>>>stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
>>>stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
>Some
>>>recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced
>at
>>>CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like
the
>>>Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what color?
>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may
be
>>>MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>>
>>>I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have mention
>>>all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here.
It's
>>>always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been
>>>using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I think
>>>the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing. I
don't
>>>know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
>>problem
>>>free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally speaking,
>>>and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>
>>>I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
>>1994!
>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use
the
>>>same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but
you
>>>have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it cost???
>>>The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all the
>>>problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an example
>>>of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love to
>>tinker
>>>and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>>folks.
>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>
>>>My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
>impressed
>>>with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys
>>>that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My thing
>>>can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>
>>The
>>>old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
>My
>>>windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw
>>>to arms challenge.
>>>
>>>I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is
>better
>>>and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out completely.
>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface
>>>are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a
smaller
>>>sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
>>can
>>>create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more features
>>>and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom
>>>in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc.
>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you
>rip
>>>on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>
>>>Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products. It's
>>>always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
>>>when your going to bash something.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and discover
>>>
>>>>what we all see.
>>>>--
>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx syncs
>>>>> with
>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy bettter
>>>>> than
>>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they
>>>are
>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit of
>>third
>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
>Only
>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for
the
>>>
>>>>> average
>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>
>>>>> Again,
>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>
>>>>> better
>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they have
>>>
>>>>> copied
>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
>>aqua
>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant
rip
>>>off
>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at it
>>for
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
>>The
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
>>>stop
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because
we're
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>>
>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is
at
>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the
UI,
>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a
koolaid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
earned
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the features
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my final
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy
for
>>>
>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
>>it
>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>>>it's
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and
>a
>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus
all
>>>my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those
times
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon digital
>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use
a
>>Psion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
little
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's a
>lot
>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one
if
>>>it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now.
>None
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
>>>has
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all
>>MS
>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>>>you
>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx..
It
>>>like
>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket..
>:)
>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? Is
>>it
>>>>> a
>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78225 is a reply to message #78221] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 01:36 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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Martin just wrote what's crashing the Macbook, if you're reading
carefully;-)
Erling
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
news:45a742dc$1@linux...
>
> Did OXS it's self crash, or PT?
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>You say that I said Macs crash..well.they do...and it happened today.
>>We were setting up a tech run for a new 10 week series I'm starting to
>>shoot, (record location audio), and set up a new Macbook loaded with Pro
>
>>Tools V7.0, (OSX 10.4), I think.
>>Every time we went to open PT, it crashed requiring a reboot...who knows
>
>>why...probably version conflicts...dunno.
>>I use Macs on a fairly regular basis, and if you could see my PC desktop,
>
>>you would see Rocket Dock displayed prominently at the bottom ala
>>Mac....(btw, I do own a Mac, just don't use it very often.)
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:45a6b2f0$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
>
>>> Unlike
>>> you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a
>>> regular
>>> basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
>
>>> I've
>>> been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold, and
>
>>> built
>>> many PCs
>>>
>>> I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating
>>> systems.
>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but
>
>>> that's
>>> where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines are
>>> a major PITA to deal with.
>>>
>>> There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all
> the
>>> stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
>>> stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
>
>>> Some
>>> recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced
> at
>>> CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like
> the
>>> Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what
>>> color?
>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may be
>>> MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>>
>>> I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have
>>> mention
>>> all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here.
>>> It's
>>> always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been
>>> using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I
>>> think
>>> the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing. I
>
>>> don't
>>> know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
>
>>> problem
>>> free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally
>>> speaking,
>>> and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>
>>> I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
>
>>> 1994!
>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use the
>>> same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but you
>>> have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it
>>> cost???
>>> The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all the
>>> problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an
>>> example
>>> of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love to
>
>>> tinker
>>> and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>
>>> folks.
>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>
>>> My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
>
>>> impressed
>>> with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys
>>> that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My
>>> thing
>>> can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>
>>> The
>>> old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
> My
>>> windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw
>>> to arms challenge.
>>>
>>> I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is
>
>>> better
>>> and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out
>>> completely.
>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user
>>> interface
>>> are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a
>
>>> smaller
>>> sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
>
>>> can
>>> create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more
>>> features
>>> and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom
>>> in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc.
>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you
> rip
>>> on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>
>>> Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products.
>>> It's
>>> always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand,
>>> especially
>>> when your going to bash something.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and
>>>>discover
>>>
>>>>what we all see.
>>>>--
>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx
>>>>>>syncs
>>>>> with
>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy
>>>>>>bettter
>>>>> than
>>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they
>>> are
>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit of
>
>>>>> third
>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
> Only
>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for the
>>>
>>>>> average
>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>>>> Again,
>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>>>> better
>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they have
>>>
>>>>> copied
>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
>
>>>>> aqua
>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant rip
>>> off
>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at it
> for
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN
>>>>>>>> (Lol!!)
>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
> The
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen
>>>>>>>interface,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
>>> stop
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because
>>>>>>>we're
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>>
>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is at
>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the UI,
>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a
>>>>>>>>> koolaid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive
>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>>>>>>>>> earned
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my
>>>>>>>>> final
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy for
>>>
>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
> it
>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>>> it's
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and
> a
>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus all
>>> my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those
>>>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
>>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use a
>
>>>>>>>>> Psion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's a
> lot
>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one if
>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now.
> None
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
>>> has
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their
>>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx
>>>>>>>>>> (Windows)
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all
> MS
>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>>> you
>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are
>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx.. It
>>> like
>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket..
> :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20&subj=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? Is
> it
>>>>> a
>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78226 is a reply to message #78192] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 01:54 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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personally i don't care as i don't own and hopefully never will own a
cell phone. i just found the article interesting.
On 12 Jan 2007 06:14:56 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments_opinion/12 253/
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>http://www.macrumors.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>On 11 Jan 2007 09:29:55 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I checked it out. And if were a Mac user, I would pick it over the Treo
>Wx,
>>>since I'm more of a Windows guy, the Treo 700 WX is it for me..
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Yes, the Treo and the BB are both vary cool products. No Kool-Aid here.
>>>
>>>>It's kind of hard to grasp the capabilities of the iPhone with out watching
>>>>the keynote video in it's entirety. Once again, check it out.
>>>>
>>>>http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>James,
>>>>>Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows) is
>just
>>>>>a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all MS applications
>>>>>and other Windows apps.
>>>>>
>>>>>www.treo.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail, you
>might
>>>>>>want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are superior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx.. It like
>having
>>>>>>>a:
>>>>>>>MP3player
>>>>>>>Ms word,
>>>>>>>Excel,
>>>>>>>powerpoint,
>>>>>>>Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>Media Player 10
>>>>>>>Sprint TV
>>>>>>>Camera
>>>>>>>Recorder
>>>>>>>Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket.. :)
>>>>>>>For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>LaMont
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20&subj=news
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? Is it a
>computer
>>>>>>>>>running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Live blog
>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>More to come!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78227 is a reply to message #78221] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 01:55 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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Don't know yet, but it needed a full reboot each time
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45a742dc$1@linux...
>
> Did OXS it's self crash, or PT?
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>You say that I said Macs crash..well.they do...and it happened today.
>>We were setting up a tech run for a new 10 week series I'm starting to
>>shoot, (record location audio), and set up a new Macbook loaded with Pro
>
>>Tools V7.0, (OSX 10.4), I think.
>>Every time we went to open PT, it crashed requiring a reboot...who knows
>
>>why...probably version conflicts...dunno.
>>I use Macs on a fairly regular basis, and if you could see my PC desktop,
>
>>you would see Rocket Dock displayed prominently at the bottom ala
>>Mac....(btw, I do own a Mac, just don't use it very often.)
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:45a6b2f0$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
>
>>> Unlike
>>> you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a
>>> regular
>>> basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
>
>>> I've
>>> been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold, and
>
>>> built
>>> many PCs
>>>
>>> I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating
>>> systems.
>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but
>
>>> that's
>>> where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines are
>>> a major PITA to deal with.
>>>
>>> There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all
> the
>>> stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
>>> stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
>
>>> Some
>>> recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced
> at
>>> CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like
> the
>>> Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what
>>> color?
>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may be
>>> MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>>
>>> I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have
>>> mention
>>> all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here.
>>> It's
>>> always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been
>>> using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I
>>> think
>>> the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing. I
>
>>> don't
>>> know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
>
>>> problem
>>> free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally
>>> speaking,
>>> and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>
>>> I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
>
>>> 1994!
>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use the
>>> same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but you
>>> have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it
>>> cost???
>>> The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all the
>>> problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an
>>> example
>>> of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love to
>
>>> tinker
>>> and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>
>>> folks.
>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>
>>> My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
>
>>> impressed
>>> with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys
>>> that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My
>>> thing
>>> can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>
>>> The
>>> old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
> My
>>> windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw
>>> to arms challenge.
>>>
>>> I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is
>
>>> better
>>> and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out
>>> completely.
>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user
>>> interface
>>> are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a
>
>>> smaller
>>> sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
>
>>> can
>>> create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more
>>> features
>>> and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom
>>> in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc.
>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you
> rip
>>> on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>
>>> Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products.
>>> It's
>>> always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand,
>>> especially
>>> when your going to bash something.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and
>>>>discover
>>>
>>>>what we all see.
>>>>--
>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx
>>>>>>syncs
>>>>> with
>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy
>>>>>>bettter
>>>>> than
>>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they
>>> are
>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit of
>
>>>>> third
>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
> Only
>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for the
>>>
>>>>> average
>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>>>> Again,
>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>>>> better
>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they have
>>>
>>>>> copied
>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
>
>>>>> aqua
>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant rip
>>> off
>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at it
> for
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN
>>>>>>>> (Lol!!)
>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
> The
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen
>>>>>>>interface,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
>>> stop
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because
>>>>>>>we're
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>>
>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is at
>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the UI,
>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a
>>>>>>>>> koolaid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive
>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>>>>>>>>> earned
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my
>>>>>>>>> final
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy for
>>>
>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
> it
>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>>> it's
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and
> a
>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus all
>>> my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those
>>>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
>>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use a
>
>>>>>>>>> Psion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's a
> lot
>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one if
>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now.
> None
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
>>> has
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their
>>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx
>>>>>>>>>> (Windows)
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all
> MS
>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>>> you
>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are
>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx.. It
>>> like
>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket..
> :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20&subj=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? Is
> it
>>>>> a
>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78229 is a reply to message #78219] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 03:56 |
Jesse Skeens
Messages: 53
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We used macs at fullsail, always crashing but it was mainly an SX problem,
bad installation I think. Was ridiculous though the amount of bugs/crashing
going on, embarrassing.
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>You say that I said Macs crash..well.they do...and it happened today.
>We were setting up a tech run for a new 10 week series I'm starting to
>shoot, (record location audio), and set up a new Macbook loaded with Pro
>Tools V7.0, (OSX 10.4), I think.
>Every time we went to open PT, it crashed requiring a reboot...who knows
>why...probably version conflicts...dunno.
>I use Macs on a fairly regular basis, and if you could see my PC desktop,
>you would see Rocket Dock displayed prominently at the bottom ala
>Mac....(btw, I do own a Mac, just don't use it very often.)
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78234 is a reply to message #78229] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 08:31 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"Jesse Skeens" <jskeens@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>We used macs at fullsail, always crashing but it was mainly an SX problem,
>bad installation I think. Was ridiculous though the amount of bugs/crashing
>going on, embarrassing.
>
Was it OS 8, 9, or was it OSX?
>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>You say that I said Macs crash..well.they do...and it happened today.
>>We were setting up a tech run for a new 10 week series I'm starting to
>>shoot, (record location audio), and set up a new Macbook loaded with Pro
>
>>Tools V7.0, (OSX 10.4), I think.
>>Every time we went to open PT, it crashed requiring a reboot...who knows
>
>>why...probably version conflicts...dunno.
>>I use Macs on a fairly regular basis, and if you could see my PC desktop,
>
>>you would see Rocket Dock displayed prominently at the bottom ala
>>Mac....(btw, I do own a Mac, just don't use it very often.)
>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78235 is a reply to message #78227] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 08:43 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
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The only time I ever had a problem with OSX is when I had a missinstall of
Tiger. I installed Tiger over the top of an earlier version, they had some
problems with that. Safari and Text edit would crash, but it never took
down OSX. I had to do a clean install and it's worked fine ever since.
A reinstall might help.
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Don't know yet, but it needed a full reboot each time
>
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45a742dc$1@linux...
>>
>> Did OXS it's self crash, or PT?
>>
>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>You say that I said Macs crash..well.they do...and it happened today.
>>>We were setting up a tech run for a new 10 week series I'm starting to
>>>shoot, (record location audio), and set up a new Macbook loaded with Pro
>>
>>>Tools V7.0, (OSX 10.4), I think.
>>>Every time we went to open PT, it crashed requiring a reboot...who knows
>>
>>>why...probably version conflicts...dunno.
>>>I use Macs on a fairly regular basis, and if you could see my PC desktop,
>>
>>>you would see Rocket Dock displayed prominently at the bottom ala
>>>Mac....(btw, I do own a Mac, just don't use it very often.)
>>>--
>>>Martin Harrington
>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45a6b2f0$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
>>
>>>> Unlike
>>>> you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a
>>>> regular
>>>> basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
>>
>>>> I've
>>>> been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold,
and
>>
>>>> built
>>>> many PCs
>>>>
>>>> I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating
>>>> systems.
>>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but
>>
>>>> that's
>>>> where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines
are
>>>> a major PITA to deal with.
>>>>
>>>> There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all
>> the
>>>> stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
>>>> stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
>>
>>>> Some
>>>> recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced
>> at
>>>> CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like
>> the
>>>> Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what
>>>> color?
>>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may
be
>>>> MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>>>
>>>> I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have
>>>> mention
>>>> all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
>>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here.
>>>> It's
>>>> always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
>>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been
>>>> using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I
>>>> think
>>>> the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing.
I
>>
>>>> don't
>>>> know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
>>
>>>> problem
>>>> free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally
>>>> speaking,
>>>> and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>>
>>>> I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
>>
>>>> 1994!
>>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use
the
>>>> same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but
you
>>>> have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it
>>>> cost???
>>>> The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all
the
>>>> problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an
>>>> example
>>>> of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love
to
>>
>>>> tinker
>>>> and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>>
>>>> folks.
>>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>>
>>>> My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
>>
>>>> impressed
>>>> with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same
guys
>>>> that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My
>>>> thing
>>>> can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>>
>>>> The
>>>> old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
>> My
>>>> windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a
draw
>>>> to arms challenge.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine
is
>>
>>>> better
>>>> and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out
>>>> completely.
>>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user
>>>> interface
>>>> are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's
a
>>
>>>> smaller
>>>> sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
>>
>>>> can
>>>> create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more
>>>> features
>>>> and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with
zoom
>>>> in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice
etc.
>>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you
>> rip
>>>> on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products.
>>>> It's
>>>> always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand,
>>>> especially
>>>> when your going to bash something.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and
>>>>>discover
>>>>
>>>>>what we all see.
>>>>>--
>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx
>>>>>>>syncs
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy
>>>>>>>bettter
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they
>>>> are
>>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit
of
>>
>>>>>> third
>>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
>> Only
>>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for
the
>>>>
>>>>>> average
>>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>>>>> better
>>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they
have
>>>>
>>>>>> copied
>>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
>>
>>>>>> aqua
>>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant
rip
>>>> off
>>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at
it
>> for
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN
>>>>>>>>> (Lol!!)
>>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
>> The
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen
>>>>>>>>interface,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
>>>> stop
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because
>>>>>>>>we're
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is
at
>>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the
UI,
>>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a
>>>>>>>>>> koolaid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive
>>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>>>>>>>>>> earned
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
>>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my
>>>>>>>>>> final
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy
for
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
>> it
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>>>> it's
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and
>> a
>>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus
all
>>>> my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those
>>>>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
>>>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use
a
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Psion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
>>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's
a
>> lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one
if
>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now.
>> None
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
>>>> has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their
>>>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx
>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows)
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all
>> MS
>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>>>> you
>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are
>>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx..
It
>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket..
>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20&subj=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod?
Is
>> it
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78237 is a reply to message #78222] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 09:06 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Here's the correct link on the G5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>LaMont I love ya man, but I gotta call you out on this one. The G4 you
work
>on is a 867Mhz right? That machine is from 2001! That's a six year old
>machine your talking about being slow!!!! Check it out at www.apple-history.com
>
>You conveniently remember things the way you want to. When Apple announced
>that they had the fastest personal computer on the planet, they did. That
>was the truth, that's the fact, if it wasn't, Intel, AMD, Dell, Gateway,
>HP, and every other other PC manufacture would have sued Apple and won!!!!!
> Now might be a good time for you to file a suit against Apple if you think
>they misrepresented a product they sold you. However, I think you would
>find that claim would be frivolous. Computer processors through out history
>have quickly leapfrogged each other in processing power. For a time the
>were the fastest. The testing was done independently. The Mac bashing
PC
>zealots spread the lie that the tests were fixed.
>
>The G4 was a good processor, it was noted in the industry for being a work
>horse. The G4 was fast in it's time, in computer years, that was a long
>time ago. Your still complaining about it, and calling Steve Jobs a lier.
> Of corse every company uses marketing spin, Jobs doesn't lie. And at least
>Apple doesn't steal the technology and call it their own. Once again the
>G4 had a different architecture than the Pentium chips. The G4 had 8 data
>pipelines going in and out of the chip. The P4 had 2. The G4 had way more
>cache on board than the P4 did, in some cases more than 4 times as much.
> The G4 would typically compete toe to toe with a P4 with twice the clock
>speed.
>
> Apple, AMD. IBM and Motorola, started calling Intel out on "The MHz Myth".
> Clock speed no longer was the only determining factor in computing speed,
>system and processor architecture ruled the day, thus AMD's equal to a P4
>XX GHz labeling on there processors. I still use my G4 1.25 MHz and I can
>tell you from experience, it is faster than my p4 2.4 and 2.8 prescott dual
>threaded with faster bussing.
>
>So you say that the G5 were slow. In there time, they weren't and they're
>still not slow! But you constantly say they are, and call Steve Jobs a
lier.
> Back when the G5 came out it was #3 in the world! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search=
> The G5 is not a slow computer. Apple uses independent testing laboratories.
> It just more anti Mac bashing on your part.
>
>You say that because Apple moved to Intel it proves that you were right
all
>along, not even close! When Apple Dumped the Mac cloning, motorola was
pissed.
> I know first hand, they told me. They also told me they were going to
get
>Apple back because they had a 90 million dollar charge off. They stalled
>Apple on G4 processor shipments and intentionally slowed the processor speed
>jumps.
>
>Apple turned to IBM. When Jobs announced the G5 for the first time, he
stated
>in the keynote that they would be at 3 GHz with in a year, and the road
map
>looked great. That was IBMs road map. IBM couldn't deliver!!!! Two years
>later Apple was at 2.7GHz, and not the newer generation G5s. The G5 was
>too hot! Apple even turned to Delphi automotive to develop a cooling system.
> They had no way of putting the G5 in a laptop. So they went with one of
>Apples contingency plans they had been working on for five years, Intel!
> Intel had a new generation of processors coming out, that were faster,
cooler
>and they also had a low power consuming mobile processors. It was a no
brainer,
>win, win deal. Intel could deliver. I think it was also a message to MS
>to keep working with Apple on MS Office development for the Mac.
>
>You have to bash the Mac every chance you get. You have taken things personally.
> Your venom for Steve Jobs is unbelievable. I think you need to be honest
>about things. How many new Mac computers have you personally bought? Your
>still not over Logic, and even though you don't use logic you rip on it
every
>chance you get. It's the same old PC zealot stuff, Logic sucks and it's
>all done. Apple's going out of business any minute now, try again!
>
>In the past, some big organizations did some studied on cost of operation.
> Boeing, Hues Aircraft, the US Navy and others. What they found was they
>needed a minimum of 6 people for every 100 PCs to maintain them. They only
>needed 0 to one person to maintain 100 Macs. The cost difference was significant.
> The truth is Mac users don't really need IT guys like the PC world does.
> You IT guys know it and you hate that.
>
>So lets tell some truth. Your a Microsoft certified IT guy, right? You
>have taken quite a few Microsoft training classes, right? And you make
your
>living with Microsoft products and Microsoft certification, right? The
real
>truth is Apple computers don't need IT Guys to maintain them. Apple computers
>are a perceived threat to It guys, that's why you guys all have so much
venom
>for anything Apple. It's not that Apple sucks, it's that you guys all hate
>any thing Apple. Why don't you just admit it?
>
>You said or at least insinuated that Windows is a standard, but anything
>Mac is not. In many cases Apple has created the standard and MS just copies
>it. It's all just typical Mac bashing PC zealot stuff. It's down right
>insulting to a Mac user to say that were drinking the Steve Jobs Kool-Aid.
> The insinuation is that we are all stupid people that are gullible enough
>to believe a bunch of lies. That we use an inferior product. Like I say
>your welcome to sue Apple any time your ready to back up your BS. If you
>were honest about it all, you be speaking up about MS's behavior instead
>of giving THEM the free pass! Dude, to rip on Apple or Steve Jobs, and
in
>effect putting down Mac users every chance you get is just plain lame.
>
>Apple doesn't suck, just admit it.
>
>
>By the way, My original post had noting to do with Mac vs. PC. I wasn't
>trying to say this product is better than yours. I was just saying check
>it out, it's cool!
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Ted and others,
>>
>>I think the reason(s) why the mention of Steve Jobs and Keynotes brings
>out
>>so much venom, as you say, is because of the both the past and even current
>>lies and propaganda that spews from his mouth..
>>
>>Statements like : Re-invent and Faster Personal Computer ever in my opinion
>>is just plain wrong. I know too many had working people who believed His
>>(Jobs) hype. Only to be sorely disa pointed when they found out that the
>>Cpu test were rigged, and their Mac did "crash" on both OS8,9 and even
OS-X(all
>>versions).
>>
>>He (Jobs) usually mocks at windows user and Microsoft when he starts his
>>keynote.(read: Dumb) When 90 percent of this world are using Windows based
>>computers.
>>
>>So, the venom is actually corrections to the lies Mr Jobs spews. When Mac
>>users come and reguritate Mr Jobs lies, most Windows users will not just
>>let them get away with such.
>>
>>I don't see anything wrong with setting the record straight.
>>P.S.
>>The Mac Pro is currently thee fastest Personal Computer on the market..
>:)
>>
>>
>>
>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I have never entered into any computer platform discussion pro or con
>>>in this newsgroup. I have my own preferences having worked on both, but
>>I'm
>>>not pushing my views on anyone else, except over beers at the local pub
>>with
>>>friends who are ready, willing and able. (As an aside, they are 1. Always
>>>vehemont, and 2. Without any actual real world experience on one of the
>>>platforms in question).
>>>
>>>I have to say that I am amazed by the venom that spews whenever someone
>>>points to something Mac. It seems irrational to me. As if Steve Jobs personally
>>>injured some on this group. Why do we worry so much about things we have
>>>no
>>>control over? If someone points out a new plug, or a new amp, or instrument,
>>>things usually don't get personal. The recent donnybrook over Politics,
>>Religion
>>>and
>>>War is regrettable but not surprising. But somebody pointing to a new
product
>>>from a computer co and getting sarcasm, disgust, resentment and
>>>mockery just makes no sense.
>>>
>>>Ted
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
>
>>Unlike
>>>>you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a regular
>>>>basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
>
>>I've
>>>>been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold, and
>>>built
>>>>many PCs
>>>>
>>>>I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating systems.
>>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but
>>that's
>>>>where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines
are
>>>>a major PITA to deal with.
>>>>
>>>>There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all
>the
>>>>stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
>>>>stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
>
>>Some
>>>>recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced
>>at
>>>>CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like
>the
>>>>Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what color?
>>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may
>be
>>>>MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>>>
>>>>I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have mention
>>>>all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
>>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here.
>It's
>>>>always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
>>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been
>>>>using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I
think
>>>>the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing. I
>don't
>>>>know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
>>>problem
>>>>free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally speaking,
>>>>and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>>
>>>>I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
>>>1994!
>>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use
>the
>>>>same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but
>you
>>>>have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it
cost???
>>>>The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all
the
>>>>problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an example
>>>>of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love
to
>>>tinker
>>>>and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>>>folks.
>>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>>
>>>>My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
>>impressed
>>>>with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys
>>>>that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My
thing
>>>>can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>>
>>>The
>>>>old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
>
>>My
>>>>windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw
>>>>to arms challenge.
>>>>
>>>>I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is
>>better
>>>>and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out completely.
>>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface
>>>>are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a
>smaller
>>>>sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
>>>can
>>>>create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more features
>>>>and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom
>>>>in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc.
>>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you
>>rip
>>>>on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products.
It's
>>>>always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
>>>>when your going to bash something.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and discover
>>>>
>>>>>what we all see.
>>>>>--
>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx
syncs
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy bettter
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they
>>>>are
>>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit
of
>>>third
>>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
>
>>Only
>>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for
>the
>>>>
>>>>>> average
>>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>
>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>>
>>>>>> better
>>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they
have
>>>>
>>>>>> copied
>>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
>>>aqua
>>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant
>rip
>>>>off
>>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at
it
>>>for
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
>>>The
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
>>>>stop
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because
>we're
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is
>at
>>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the
>UI,
>>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a
>koolaid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>earned
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
features
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my
final
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy
>for
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
>>>it
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>>>>it's
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and
>>a
>>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus
>all
>>>>my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those
>times
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
digital
>>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use
>a
>>>Psion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
>little
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's
a
>>lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one
>if
>>>>it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now.
>>None
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
>>>>has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>
>>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their
needs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all
>>>MS
>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>>>>you
>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx..
>It
>>>>like
>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket..
>>:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod?
Is
>>>it
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78241 is a reply to message #78222] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 09:36 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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James, I did check out the iphone video from keynote. Cool product, bit not
a Re-Invention by any means of the word..
Second. You are are dead wrong. I have support Macs while working @ Gm world
headquarters. The MacIICi was the standard desktop from 1989-1994. Third,
I personally purchase Mac quadra 8400av, and a MacTel 9600(dual processor)
6 slots unit tower.
From there, I have purchased a G4-dual 500( running DPpro & Logic Audio 6.
(I still have that machine).
1995-1996-Supported, Installed Mac 9500s(3) @ Ford . They were used as their
Lotus Domino/Notes Servers.
While @ GM & Ford during the mac years, I can tell you stories all day and
night about their performance. I was a Mac Snob in the worst way.
It was until both we went to windows based machines (gateways&Compaqs @Dells)
did we (IT crew) noticed (in disbelief) that the PC workstations and Servers
were Blazing!!!
Before, with the macs we used the built-in Apple Talk for networking and
file sharing. Ho humm...Slow, but it worked. Security was a big issue there.
Well, when we start implementing (1989-90) Novell Netware into certain work
groups (GMAC), again the WoW!! factor!! Blazing performance even with some
Macs thrown on the novell network. BUT, mac's Apple Talk would reak Holly
havoc on the Novell network,and thus workarounds had to used .. After a while,
the entire business community waited for Apple to fix their Apple-Talk-IP
problems, so Macs could play nice on a Novell Network,But apple just pretty
much thumbed their noses..
So, we (GM)dropped Apples Macs, and went Windows based. And so did most of
the Big Three and all Tier 1,2, & three vendors.
The moral to that story is: You don't us what we want and can have (We) Corporations
Tell you what we want.. You either deliver or we're moving on..
And so did DTE: Who were mac based up until 1996. Same scenario as above
but I almost forgot about apple's Very Poor Customer service.
back in days , Apple treated their customers Big and small like a third world
nations. Put plainly, their customer server sucked big time. Then to add
insult to injury, they Apple) would drop support for a given Mac while still
(supposedly) under warranty. Calls were not returned, promises broken.. Apples
dealing with big business was a disaster..
That's were Dell came in riding on his shining horse. back then(90's) Dell
built- a great PC with to this day , unheard of customer support.
The G4:
The G4 was OK if you had programmers that would code for the Altivec engine.
If the app was not optimized for the Altivec, then it was low on the food
chain as compared to a AMD K2, Athlon,Athlon XP PIII, P4. There were not
That many Mac apps Optimized or coded for the Altivec. NoT even Paris. Edmund
once stated that, re-coding most apps for the altivec would be too cost prohibitive
and very time consuming..
So, yes on paperthe G4 was cool, but it neverlived up to it's potential.
James, I call then as I see them. I was @ the the Digidesign /Emagic pony
show back in 1995 where they were showing Logic Audio 3.0 on the mac and
the newly windows version. The Emagic and Digi guys were just snikering
away about how they really never tested the perormance on the windows version,and
pretty much stated that it was best if we all went witha mac.. Well.. They
into their presentation and started to do side by side Logic routines on
both version of Logic.
Well, to their disbelief, the Windos based version of Logic was finnishing
all of their task much faster than the Mac. Even the Digi guys were astounded.
The Emagic guys were just as stunned. In every side by side they did, the
PC ran cirles around the supposedly superior mac . Well, needless to say,
after that pony was over, The Southfield Guitar Center sold 8 copies of Logic
Audio Windows (Including me)..ZERO copies of the Mac version..
Back to macs don't need support: Dude aare you kidding!!! The Mac is just
a Personal Computer. Just like we support SGI(Unix) Sun Solaris PC's (Unix)
etc.. All Personal computers need IT support. Do you think everybody who
works a 9-5 knows about an operating system.??
Just ask Thad if his comany needs an IT guy/Gal in a Mac centric company..Are
you kidding..
Hell, one of the new requirements of the modern Recording Engineer is to
have some IT skills (Networking, Building, repair). I work in a studio which
has 4 Macs..(2 -G5s, 2 G4(dual877). Are you kidding..!!! Are you Kidding
me. If I was not around to either (Upgrade, apply Mac OS-X tweaks, Hardware
upgrades,).. Man, because of the volume of work those formentioned macs,
even on PT -HD3, those mac will crash..And crash Hard..
Oh, and let's not forget about how to recover froma mac crash.Expecially
on OS9...You had to reload the entire OS. How Stupid is that!!??? At least
with Windows, you can find the offending file (DLL) and patch in a fix or
runa repair utility..
By the way: AMD was Apples first choice, until Intel came with the Don King
paper bag of Cash to go with their chip..And, AMD is still on the Apple table
for thier X-servers and other new products..
Steve Jobs is the 21st century PT Barnum. He say lies, you all believe with
spew hook line and sinker. You mac guys/Gals have had this "walking on water"
feeling for a long time, and when windows was a viable option for pro-audio,
we we not to question the mac so- called superiority.
But, that all changed when Win 95 came out.. Yeah yeah..You say ripp off..But,
I say It was faster, and better than My Mac OS8/9. Then every smart people
start performing tweeks that help Windows achieve it's still stellar DAW
performance.
Trust me, If Mac had 90 percent of Personal computing market, there 2 would
be certified Apple enginners, Just like there are Lotus, Cisco, Netware,
Unix and other non windows professional IT certifications..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>LaMont I love ya man, but I gotta call you out on this one. The G4 you
work
>on is a 867Mhz right? That machine is from 2001! That's a six year old
>machine your talking about being slow!!!! Check it out at www.apple-history.com
>
>You conveniently remember things the way you want to. When Apple announced
>that they had the fastest personal computer on the planet, they did. That
>was the truth, that's the fact, if it wasn't, Intel, AMD, Dell, Gateway,
>HP, and every other other PC manufacture would have sued Apple and won!!!!!
> Now might be a good time for you to file a suit against Apple if you think
>they misrepresented a product they sold you. However, I think you would
>find that claim would be frivolous. Computer processors through out history
>have quickly leapfrogged each other in processing power. For a time the
>were the fastest. The testing was done independently. The Mac bashing
PC
>zealots spread the lie that the tests were fixed.
>
>The G4 was a good processor, it was noted in the industry for being a work
>horse. The G4 was fast in it's time, in computer years, that was a long
>time ago. Your still complaining about it, and calling Steve Jobs a lier.
> Of corse every company uses marketing spin, Jobs doesn't lie. And at least
>Apple doesn't steal the technology and call it their own. Once again the
>G4 had a different architecture than the Pentium chips. The G4 had 8 data
>pipelines going in and out of the chip. The P4 had 2. The G4 had way more
>cache on board than the P4 did, in some cases more than 4 times as much.
> The G4 would typically compete toe to toe with a P4 with twice the clock
>speed.
>
> Apple, AMD. IBM and Motorola, started calling Intel out on "The MHz Myth".
> Clock speed no longer was the only determining factor in computing speed,
>system and processor architecture ruled the day, thus AMD's equal to a P4
>XX GHz labeling on there processors. I still use my G4 1.25 MHz and I can
>tell you from experience, it is faster than my p4 2.4 and 2.8 prescott dual
>threaded with faster bussing.
>
>So you say that the G5 were slow. In there time, they weren't and they're
>still not slow! But you constantly say they are, and call Steve Jobs a
lier.
> Back when the G5 came out it was #3 in the world! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search=
> The G5 is not a slow computer. Apple uses independent testing laboratories.
> It just more anti Mac bashing on your part.
>
>You say that because Apple moved to Intel it proves that you were right
all
>along, not even close! When Apple Dumped the Mac cloning, motorola was
pissed.
> I know first hand, they told me. They also told me they were going to
get
>Apple back because they had a 90 million dollar charge off. They stalled
>Apple on G4 processor shipments and intentionally slowed the processor speed
>jumps.
>
>Apple turned to IBM. When Jobs announced the G5 for the first time, he
stated
>in the keynote that they would be at 3 GHz with in a year, and the road
map
>looked great. That was IBMs road map. IBM couldn't deliver!!!! Two years
>later Apple was at 2.7GHz, and not the newer generation G5s. The G5 was
>too hot! Apple even turned to Delphi automotive to develop a cooling system.
> They had no way of putting the G5 in a laptop. So they went with one of
>Apples contingency plans they had been working on for five years, Intel!
> Intel had a new generation of processors coming out, that were faster,
cooler
>and they also had a low power consuming mobile processors. It was a no
brainer,
>win, win deal. Intel could deliver. I think it was also a message to MS
>to keep working with Apple on MS Office development for the Mac.
>
>You have to bash the Mac every chance you get. You have taken things personally.
> Your venom for Steve Jobs is unbelievable. I think you need to be honest
>about things. How many new Mac computers have you personally bought? Your
>still not over Logic, and even though you don't use logic you rip on it
every
>chance you get. It's the same old PC zealot stuff, Logic sucks and it's
>all done. Apple's going out of business any minute now, try again!
>
>In the past, some big organizations did some studied on cost of operation.
> Boeing, Hues Aircraft, the US Navy and others. What they found was they
>needed a minimum of 6 people for every 100 PCs to maintain them. They only
>needed 0 to one person to maintain 100 Macs. The cost difference was significant.
> The truth is Mac users don't really need IT guys like the PC world does.
> You IT guys know it and you hate that.
>
>So lets tell some truth. Your a Microsoft certified IT guy, right? You
>have taken quite a few Microsoft training classes, right? And you make
your
>living with Microsoft products and Microsoft certification, right? The
real
>truth is Apple computers don't need IT Guys to maintain them. Apple computers
>are a perceived threat to It guys, that's why you guys all have so much
venom
>for anything Apple. It's not that Apple sucks, it's that you guys all hate
>any thing Apple. Why don't you just admit it?
>
>You said or at least insinuated that Windows is a standard, but anything
>Mac is not. In many cases Apple has created the standard and MS just copies
>it. It's all just typical Mac bashing PC zealot stuff. It's down right
>insulting to a Mac user to say that were drinking the Steve Jobs Kool-Aid.
> The insinuation is that we are all stupid people that are gullible enough
>to believe a bunch of lies. That we use an inferior product. Like I say
>your welcome to sue Apple any time your ready to back up your BS. If you
>were honest about it all, you be speaking up about MS's behavior instead
>of giving THEM the free pass! Dude, to rip on Apple or Steve Jobs, and
in
>effect putting down Mac users every chance you get is just plain lame.
>
>Apple doesn't suck, just admit it.
>
>
>By the way, My original post had noting to do with Mac vs. PC. I wasn't
>trying to say this product is better than yours. I was just saying check
>it out, it's cool!
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Ted and others,
>>
>>I think the reason(s) why the mention of Steve Jobs and Keynotes brings
>out
>>so much venom, as you say, is because of the both the past and even current
>>lies and propaganda that spews from his mouth..
>>
>>Statements like : Re-invent and Faster Personal Computer ever in my opinion
>>is just plain wrong. I know too many had working people who believed His
>>(Jobs) hype. Only to be sorely disa pointed when they found out that the
>>Cpu test were rigged, and their Mac did "crash" on both OS8,9 and even
OS-X(all
>>versions).
>>
>>He (Jobs) usually mocks at windows user and Microsoft when he starts his
>>keynote.(read: Dumb) When 90 percent of this world are using Windows based
>>computers.
>>
>>So, the venom is actually corrections to the lies Mr Jobs spews. When Mac
>>users come and reguritate Mr Jobs lies, most Windows users will not just
>>let them get away with such.
>>
>>I don't see anything wrong with setting the record straight.
>>P.S.
>>The Mac Pro is currently thee fastest Personal Computer on the market..
>:)
>>
>>
>>
>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I have never entered into any computer platform discussion pro or con
>>>in this newsgroup. I have my own preferences having worked on both, but
>>I'm
>>>not pushing my views on anyone else, except over beers at the local pub
>>with
>>>friends who are ready, willing and able. (As an aside, they are 1. Always
>>>vehemont, and 2. Without any actual real world experience on one of the
>>>platforms in question).
>>>
>>>I have to say that I am amazed by the venom that spews whenever someone
>>>points to something Mac. It seems irrational to me. As if Steve Jobs personally
>>>injured some on this group. Why do we worry so much about things we have
>>>no
>>>control over? If someone points out a new plug, or a new amp, or instrument,
>>>things usually don't get personal. The recent donnybrook over Politics,
>>Religion
>>>and
>>>War is regrettable but not surprising. But somebody pointing to a new
product
>>>from a computer co and getting sarcasm, disgust, resentment and
>>>mockery just makes no sense.
>>>
>>>Ted
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
>
>>Unlike
>>>>you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a regular
>>>>basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
>
>>I've
>>>>been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold, and
>>>built
>>>>many PCs
>>>>
>>>>I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating systems.
>>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but
>>that's
>>>>where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines
are
>>>>a major PITA to deal with.
>>>>
>>>>There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all
>the
>>>>stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
>>>>stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
>
>>Some
>>>>recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced
>>at
>>>>CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like
>the
>>>>Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what color?
>>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may
>be
>>>>MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>>>
>>>>I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have mention
>>>>all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
>>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here.
>It's
>>>>always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
>>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been
>>>>using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I
think
>>>>the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing. I
>don't
>>>>know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
>>>problem
>>>>free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally speaking,
>>>>and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>>
>>>>I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
>>>1994!
>>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use
>the
>>>>same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but
>you
>>>>have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it
cost???
>>>>The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all
the
>>>>problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an example
>>>>of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love
to
>>>tinker
>>>>and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>>>folks.
>>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>>
>>>>My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
>>impressed
>>>>with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys
>>>>that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My
thing
>>>>can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>>
>>>The
>>>>old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
>
>>My
>>>>windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw
>>>>to arms challenge.
>>>>
>>>>I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is
>>better
>>>>and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out completely.
>>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface
>>>>are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a
>smaller
>>>>sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
>>>can
>>>>create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more features
>>>>and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom
>>>>in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc.
>>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you
>>rip
>>>>on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products.
It's
>>>>always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
>>>>when your going to bash something.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and discover
>>>>
>>>>>what we all see.
>>>>>--
>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx
syncs
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy bettter
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they
>>>>are
>>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit
of
>>>third
>>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
>
>>Only
>>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for
>the
>>>>
>>>>>> average
>>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>
>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>>
>>>>>> better
>>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they
have
>>>>
>>>>>> copied
>>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
>>>aqua
>>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant
>rip
>>>>off
>>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at
it
>>>for
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
>>>The
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
>>>>stop
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because
>we're
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is
>at
>>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the
>UI,
>>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a
>koolaid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>earned
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
features
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my
final
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy
>for
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
>>>it
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>>>>it's
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and
>>a
>>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus
>all
>>>>my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those
>times
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
digital
>>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use
>a
>>>Psion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
>little
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's
a
>>lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one
>if
>>>>it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now.
>>None
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
>>>>has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>
>>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their
needs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all
>>>MS
>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>>>>you
>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx..
>It
>>>>like
>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket..
>>:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod?
Is
>>>it
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78242 is a reply to message #78219] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 08:52 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
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Hi Martin,
If this Mac book is Intel based, you will have to run PT V7.2 or
better. The previous versions are not Intel compatible.
David.
Martin Harrington wrote:
> You say that I said Macs crash..well.they do...and it happened today.
> We were setting up a tech run for a new 10 week series I'm starting to
> shoot, (record location audio), and set up a new Macbook loaded with Pro
> Tools V7.0, (OSX 10.4), I think.
> Every time we went to open PT, it crashed requiring a reboot...who knows
> why...probably version conflicts...dunno.
> I use Macs on a fairly regular basis, and if you could see my PC desktop,
> you would see Rocket Dock displayed prominently at the bottom ala
> Mac....(btw, I do own a Mac, just don't use it very often.)
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78245 is a reply to message #78241] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 09:59 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Hey LaMont,
Any criticisms you have about OS9 and before I probably agree with.
Some of them also apply to MSWindows versions over the years. For
example, reinstalling to fix a problem was pretty common with Wi95,
that's what Gateway tech support told me to do, for example.
Back to Apple: Apple HAS made a lot of missteps along the way, and a
fair number of advancements. But Apple didn't really start to impress me
until OSX.
My first Mac (other than an emulator running on an Amiga) was a dual
1GHZ G4 PowerMac, dual booting in OS9 and OSX. And it ran PARIS _MUCH_
better than my Intel box of the time. Plus it allowed me to transition
to Logic and soft synths. Awesome!
Then the dual G5 came out, which is like having 4 G4 computers in one
box. It's been great. I can now comfortably wait to upgrade again until
something else knocks my socks off, like maybe an 8 core box.
Unfortunately, it looks like you yourself "drank the koolaid" with Apple
very early on, long before OSX, until you had your epiphany, still
before OSX. And so you have a pretty big resentment of anything from
Apple even to this day.
In the meantime you've changed your brand of koolaid. Your next epiphany
of resentment will be for Microsoft, probably, when Vista ships. ;^)
BTW, some of your Apple grudges are from times when Jobs was not at
Apple. He was at NeXT. Building, as it turned out, the groundwork for
OSX. But if you want to keep your grudge going, I understand.
Keep in mind that this industry is a moving target. You can't pick any
horse and expect it to be in the lead all the time. No matter what their
marketing people say. And I don't know a marketing department that
doesn't produce spin for their products, so take it all with a big grain
of salt.
Despite the spin, at different points in time you could accuse ANY OS or
hardware vendor of being behind the curve.
What matters is NOT who has this week's bragging rights. Because that
can and will change as the next big thing comes out. What matters is if
the gear you buy can actually do the job you bought it for.
The responsibility for that is with both the seller AND especially the
buyer. IOW, if you set your performance thresholds realistically and
only buy what exceeds them, then you can beat obsolescence from any
supplier. At least until your thresholds change. And if your research is
accurate, you can neutralize the hype that you'll get in the marketplace
from pretty much all directions.
I think if you were to take a fresh look at what's happening in the
market today, you'd probably see that Apple is making a contribution
that is helping overall market choice, in a market where choice has been
choked to a bare minimum.
While I don't agree with every Apple decision, the more choice the
better. Choose what you like based on your experience, research and
performance threshold. But don't be surprised if someone else chooses
something different based on their needs and evaluation of the
marketplace. And don't be surprised that, if you express your own
grudges from previous product lines, others may not use your information
to change what they would choose to meet their needs.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
LaMont wrote:
> James, I did check out the iphone video from keynote. Cool product, bit not
> a Re-Invention by any means of the word..
>
> Second. You are are dead wrong. I have support Macs while working @ Gm world
> headquarters. The MacIICi was the standard desktop from 1989-1994. Third,
> I personally purchase Mac quadra 8400av, and a MacTel 9600(dual processor)
> 6 slots unit tower.
> From there, I have purchased a G4-dual 500( running DPpro & Logic Audio 6.
> (I still have that machine).
>
> 1995-1996-Supported, Installed Mac 9500s(3) @ Ford . They were used as their
> Lotus Domino/Notes Servers.
>
> While @ GM & Ford during the mac years, I can tell you stories all day and
> night about their performance. I was a Mac Snob in the worst way.
> It was until both we went to windows based machines (gateways&Compaqs @Dells)
> did we (IT crew) noticed (in disbelief) that the PC workstations and Servers
> were Blazing!!!
>
> Before, with the macs we used the built-in Apple Talk for networking and
> file sharing. Ho humm...Slow, but it worked. Security was a big issue there.
>
>
> Well, when we start implementing (1989-90) Novell Netware into certain work
> groups (GMAC), again the WoW!! factor!! Blazing performance even with some
> Macs thrown on the novell network. BUT, mac's Apple Talk would reak Holly
> havoc on the Novell network,and thus workarounds had to used .. After a while,
> the entire business community waited for Apple to fix their Apple-Talk-IP
> problems, so Macs could play nice on a Novell Network,But apple just pretty
> much thumbed their noses..
>
> So, we (GM)dropped Apples Macs, and went Windows based. And so did most of
> the Big Three and all Tier 1,2, & three vendors.
> The moral to that story is: You don't us what we want and can have (We) Corporations
> Tell you what we want.. You either deliver or we're moving on..
> And so did DTE: Who were mac based up until 1996. Same scenario as above
> but I almost forgot about apple's Very Poor Customer service.
>
> back in days , Apple treated their customers Big and small like a third world
> nations. Put plainly, their customer server sucked big time. Then to add
> insult to injury, they Apple) would drop support for a given Mac while still
> (supposedly) under warranty. Calls were not returned, promises broken.. Apples
> dealing with big business was a disaster..
>
> That's were Dell came in riding on his shining horse. back then(90's) Dell
> built- a great PC with to this day , unheard of customer support.
>
> The G4:
> The G4 was OK if you had programmers that would code for the Altivec engine.
> If the app was not optimized for the Altivec, then it was low on the food
> chain as compared to a AMD K2, Athlon,Athlon XP PIII, P4. There were not
> That many Mac apps Optimized or coded for the Altivec. NoT even Paris. Edmund
> once stated that, re-coding most apps for the altivec would be too cost prohibitive
> and very time consuming..
>
> So, yes on paperthe G4 was cool, but it neverlived up to it's potential.
>
>
> James, I call then as I see them. I was @ the the Digidesign /Emagic pony
> show back in 1995 where they were showing Logic Audio 3.0 on the mac and
> the newly windows version. The Emagic and Digi guys were just snikering
> away about how they really never tested the perormance on the windows version,and
> pretty much stated that it was best if we all went witha mac.. Well.. They
> into their presentation and started to do side by side Logic routines on
> both version of Logic.
>
> Well, to their disbelief, the Windos based version of Logic was finnishing
> all of their task much faster than the Mac. Even the Digi guys were astounded.
> The Emagic guys were just as stunned. In every side by side they did, the
> PC ran cirles around the supposedly superior mac . Well, needless to say,
> after that pony was over, The Southfield Guitar Center sold 8 copies of Logic
> Audio Windows (Including me)..ZERO copies of the Mac version..
>
> Back to macs don't need support: Dude aare you kidding!!! The Mac is just
> a Personal Computer. Just like we support SGI(Unix) Sun Solaris PC's (Unix)
> etc.. All Personal computers need IT support. Do you think everybody who
> works a 9-5 knows about an operating system.??
> Just ask Thad if his comany needs an IT guy/Gal in a Mac centric company..Are
> you kidding..
>
> Hell, one of the new requirements of the modern Recording Engineer is to
> have some IT skills (Networking, Building, repair). I work in a studio which
> has 4 Macs..(2 -G5s, 2 G4(dual877). Are you kidding..!!! Are you Kidding
> me. If I was not around to either (Upgrade, apply Mac OS-X tweaks, Hardware
> upgrades,).. Man, because of the volume of work those formentioned macs,
> even on PT -HD3, those mac will crash..And crash Hard..
>
> Oh, and let's not forget about how to recover froma mac crash.Expecially
> on OS9...You had to reload the entire OS. How Stupid is that!!??? At least
> with Windows, you can find the offending file (DLL) and patch in a fix or
> runa repair utility..
>
> By the way: AMD was Apples first choice, until Intel came with the Don King
> paper bag of Cash to go with their chip..And, AMD is still on the Apple table
> for thier X-servers and other new products..
>
> Steve Jobs is the 21st century PT Barnum. He say lies, you all believe with
> spew hook line and sinker. You mac guys/Gals have had this "walking on water"
> feeling for a long time, and when windows was a viable option for pro-audio,
> we we not to question the mac so- called superiority.
>
> But, that all changed when Win 95 came out.. Yeah yeah..You say ripp off..But,
> I say It was faster, and better than My Mac OS8/9. Then every smart people
> start performing tweeks that help Windows achieve it's still stellar DAW
> performance.
>
> Trust me, If Mac had 90 percent of Personal computing market, there 2 would
> be certified Apple enginners, Just like there are Lotus, Cisco, Netware,
> Unix and other non windows professional IT certifications..
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> LaMont I love ya man, but I gotta call you out on this one. The G4 you
> work
>> on is a 867Mhz right? That machine is from 2001! That's a six year old
>> machine your talking about being slow!!!! Check it out at www.apple-history.com
>>
>> You conveniently remember things the way you want to. When Apple announced
>> that they had the fastest personal computer on the planet, they did. That
>> was the truth, that's the fact, if it wasn't, Intel, AMD, Dell, Gateway,
>> HP, and every other other PC manufacture would have sued Apple and won!!!!!
>> Now might be a good time for you to file a suit against Apple if you think
>> they misrepresented a product they sold you. However, I think you would
>> find that claim would be frivolous. Computer processors through out history
>> have quickly leapfrogged each other in processing power. For a time the
>> were the fastest. The testing was done independently. The Mac bashing
> PC
>> zealots spread the lie that the tests were fixed.
>>
>> The G4 was a good processor, it was noted in the industry for being a work
>> horse. The G4 was fast in it's time, in computer years, that was a long
>> time ago. Your still complaining about it, and calling Steve Jobs a lier.
>> Of corse every company uses marketing spin, Jobs doesn't lie. And at least
>> Apple doesn't steal the technology and call it their own. Once again the
>> G4 had a different architecture than the Pentium chips. The G4 had 8 data
>> pipelines going in and out of the chip. The P4 had 2. The G4 had way more
>> cache on board than the P4 did, in some cases more than 4 times as much.
>> The G4 would typically compete toe to toe with a P4 with twice the clock
>> speed.
>>
>> Apple, AMD. IBM and Motorola, started calling Intel out on "The MHz Myth".
>> Clock speed no longer was the only determining factor in computing speed,
>> system and processor architecture ruled the day, thus AMD's equal to a P4
>> XX GHz labeling on there processors. I still use my G4 1.25 MHz and I can
>> tell you from experience, it is faster than my p4 2.4 and 2.8 prescott dual
>> threaded with faster bussing.
>>
>> So you say that the G5 were slow. In there time, they weren't and they're
>> still not slow! But you constantly say they are, and call Steve Jobs a
> lier.
>> Back when the G5 came out it was #3 in the world! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search=
>> The G5 is not a slow computer. Apple uses independent testing laboratories.
>> It just more anti Mac bashing on your part.
>>
>> You say that because Apple moved to Intel it proves that you were right
> all
>> along, not even close! When Apple Dumped the Mac cloning, motorola was
> pissed.
>> I know first hand, they told me. They also told me they were going to
> get
>> Apple back because they had a 90 million dollar charge off. They stalled
>> Apple on G4 processor shipments and intentionally slowed the processor speed
>> jumps.
>>
>> Apple turned to IBM. When Jobs announced the G5 for the first time, he
> stated
>> in the keynote that they would be at 3 GHz with in a year, and the road
> map
>> looked great. That was IBMs road map. IBM couldn't deliver!!!! Two years
>> later Apple was at 2.7GHz, and not the newer generation G5s. The G5 was
>> too hot! Apple even turned to Delphi automotive to develop a cooling system.
>> They had no way of putting the G5 in a laptop. So they went with one of
>> Apples contingency plans they had been working on for five years, Intel!
>> Intel had a new generation of processors coming out, that were faster,
> cooler
>> and they also had a low power consuming mobile processors. It was a no
> brainer,
>> win, win deal. Intel could deliver. I think it was also a message to MS
>> to keep working with Apple on MS Office development for the Mac.
>>
>> You have to bash the Mac every chance you get. You have taken things personally.
>> Your venom for Steve Jobs is unbelievable. I think you need to be honest
>> about things. How many new Mac computers have you personally bought? Your
>> still not over Logic, and even though you don't use logic you rip on it
> every
>> chance you get. It's the same old PC zealot stuff, Logic sucks and it's
>> all done. Apple's going out of business any minute now, try again!
>>
>> In the past, some big organizations did some studied on cost of operation.
>> Boeing, Hues Aircraft, the US Navy and others. What they found was they
>> needed a minimum of 6 people for every 100 PCs to maintain them. They only
>> needed 0 to one person to maintain 100 Macs. The cost difference was significant.
>> The truth is Mac users don't really need IT guys like the PC world does.
>> You IT guys know it and you hate that.
>>
>> So lets tell some truth. Your a Microsoft certified IT guy, right? You
>> have taken quite a few Microsoft training classes, right? And you make
> your
>> living with Microsoft products and Microsoft certification, right? The
> real
>> truth is Apple computers don't need IT Guys to maintain them. Apple computers
>> are a perceived threat to It guys, that's why you guys all have so much
> venom
>> for anything Apple. It's not that Apple sucks, it's that you guys all hate
>> any thing Apple. Why don't you just admit it?
>>
>> You said or at least insinuated that Windows is a standard, but anything
>> Mac is not. In many cases Apple has created the standard and MS just copies
>> it. It's all just typical Mac bashing PC zealot stuff. It's down right
>> insulting to a Mac user to say that were drinking the Steve Jobs Kool-Aid.
>> The insinuation is that we are all stupid people that are gullible enough
>> to believe a bunch of lies. That we use an inferior product. Like I say
>> your welcome to sue Apple any time your ready to back up your BS. If you
>> were honest about it all, you be speaking up about MS's behavior instead
>> of giving THEM the free pass! Dude, to rip on Apple or Steve Jobs, and
> in
>> effect putting down Mac users every chance you get is just plain lame.
>>
>> Apple doesn't suck, just admit it.
>>
>>
>> By the way, My original post had noting to do with Mac vs. PC. I wasn't
>> trying to say this product is better than yours. I was just saying check
>> it out, it's cool!
>>
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Ted and others,
>>>
>>> I think the reason(s) why the mention of Steve Jobs and Keynotes brings
>> out
>>> so much venom, as you say, is because of the both the past and even current
>>> lies and propaganda that spews from his mouth..
>>>
>>> Statements like : Re-invent and Faster Personal Computer ever in my opinion
>>> is just plain wrong. I know too many had working people who believed His
>>> (Jobs) hype. Only to be sorely disa pointed when they found out that the
>>> Cpu test were rigged, and their Mac did "crash" on both OS8,9 and even
> OS-X(all
>>> versions).
>>>
>>> He (Jobs) usually mocks at windows user and Microsoft when he starts his
>>> keynote.(read: Dumb) When 90 percent of this world are using Windows based
>>> computers.
>>>
>>> So, the venom is actually corrections to the lies Mr Jobs spews. When Mac
>>> users come and reguritate Mr Jobs lies, most Windows users will not just
>>> let them get away with such.
>>>
>>> I don't see anything wrong with setting the record straight.
>>> P.S.
>>> The Mac Pro is currently thee fastest Personal Computer on the market..
>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>> I have never entered into any computer platform discussion pro or con
>>>> in this newsgroup. I have my own preferences having worked on both, but
>>> I'm
>>>> not pushing my views on anyone else, except over beers at the local pub
>>> with
>>>> friends who are ready, willing and able. (As an aside, they are 1. Always
>>>> vehemont, and 2. Without any actual real world experience on one of the
>>>> platforms in question).
>>>>
>>>> I have to say that I am amazed by the venom that spews whenever someone
>>>> points to something Mac. It seems irrational to me. As if Steve Jobs personally
>>>> injured some on this group. Why do we worry so much about things we have
>>>> no
>>>> control over? If someone points out a new plug, or a new amp, or instrument,
>>>> things usually don't get personal. The recent donnybrook over Politics,
>>> Religion
>>>> and
>>>> War is regrettable but not surprising. But somebody pointing to a new
> product
>>> >from a computer co and getting sarcasm, disgust, resentment and
>>>> mockery just makes no sense.
>>>>
>>>> Ted
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
>>> Unlike
>>>>> you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a regular
>>>>> basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
>>> I've
>>>>> been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold, and
>>>> built
>>>>> many PCs
>>>>>
>>>>> I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating systems.
>>>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but
>>> that's
>>>>> where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines
> are
>>>>> a major PITA to deal with.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all
>> the
>>>>> stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
>>>>> stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
>>> Some
>>>>> recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced
>>> at
>>>>> CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like
>> the
>>>>> Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what color?
>>>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may
>> be
>>>>> MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have mention
>>>>> all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
>>>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here.
>
>> It's
>>>>> always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
>>>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been
>>>>> using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I
> think
>>>>> the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing. I
>> don't
>>>>> know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
>>>> problem
>>>>> free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally speaking,
>>>>> and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
>>>> 1994!
>>>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use
>> the
>>>>> same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>>>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but
>> you
>>>>> have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it
> cost???
>>>>> The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all
> the
>>>>> problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an example
>>>>> of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love
> to
>>>> tinker
>>>>> and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>>>> folks.
>>>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>>>
>>>>> My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
>>> impressed
>>>>> with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys
>>>>> that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My
> thing
>>>>> can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>>>> The
>>>>> old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
>>> My
>>>>> windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw
>>>>> to arms challenge.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is
>>> better
>>>>> and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>>>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out completely.
>>>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface
>>>>> are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a
>> smaller
>>>>> sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
>>>> can
>>>>> create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more features
>>>>> and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom
>>>>> in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc.
>>>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you
>>> rip
>>>>> on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products.
> It's
>>>>> always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
>>>>> when your going to bash something.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>> Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>>> I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and discover
>>>>>> what we all see.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Martin Harrington
>>>>>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx
> syncs
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy bettter
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> itunes..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they
>>>>> are
>>>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit
> of
>>>> third
>>>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
>>> Only
>>>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for
>> the
>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they
> have
>>>>>>> copied
>>>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
>>>> aqua
>>>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant
>> rip
>>>>> off
>>>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at
> it
>>>> for
>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>>>>>>>> Re-invented
>>>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>>> Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> "reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>>>>>>> right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
>>>>> stop
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>>> Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because
>> we're
>>>>>>>>> surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>>> They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is
>> at
>>>>>>>>> least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the
>> UI,
>>>>>>>>> and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a
>> koolaid
>>>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>> earned
>>>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
> features
>>>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my
> final
>>>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy
>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
>>>> it
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and
>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus
>> all
>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those
>> times
>>>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
> digital
>>>>>>>> SLR.
>>>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use
>> a
>>>> Psion
>>>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
>> little
>>>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's
> a
>>> lot
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one
>> if
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now.
>>> None
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their
> needs.
>>>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all
>>>> MS
>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx..
>> It
>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket..
>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod?
> Is
>>>> it
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>
>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78247 is a reply to message #78237] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 11:11 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Just Stop!!! That school IT head needs to be fired!! As with most academic
institutions IT personal.
This PHD obviously nuts. Just 2 weeks after that implementation(In Pure Apple
form), the come out with the G5 X-servers. Could saved that university of
ton of space. Also, to say that those G5 could compete with IBS mainframes
, HP unix mid frams is insane at best..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Here's the correct link on the G5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>LaMont I love ya man, but I gotta call you out on this one. The G4 you
>work
>>on is a 867Mhz right? That machine is from 2001! That's a six year old
>>machine your talking about being slow!!!! Check it out at www.apple-history.com
>>
>>You conveniently remember things the way you want to. When Apple announced
>>that they had the fastest personal computer on the planet, they did. That
>>was the truth, that's the fact, if it wasn't, Intel, AMD, Dell, Gateway,
>>HP, and every other other PC manufacture would have sued Apple and won!!!!!
>> Now might be a good time for you to file a suit against Apple if you think
>>they misrepresented a product they sold you. However, I think you would
>>find that claim would be frivolous. Computer processors through out history
>>have quickly leapfrogged each other in processing power. For a time the
>>were the fastest. The testing was done independently. The Mac bashing
>PC
>>zealots spread the lie that the tests were fixed.
>>
>>The G4 was a good processor, it was noted in the industry for being a work
>>horse. The G4 was fast in it's time, in computer years, that was a long
>>time ago. Your still complaining about it, and calling Steve Jobs a lier.
>> Of corse every company uses marketing spin, Jobs doesn't lie. And at
least
>>Apple doesn't steal the technology and call it their own. Once again the
>>G4 had a different architecture than the Pentium chips. The G4 had 8 data
>>pipelines going in and out of the chip. The P4 had 2. The G4 had way
more
>>cache on board than the P4 did, in some cases more than 4 times as much.
>> The G4 would typically compete toe to toe with a P4 with twice the clock
>>speed.
>>
>> Apple, AMD. IBM and Motorola, started calling Intel out on "The MHz Myth".
>> Clock speed no longer was the only determining factor in computing speed,
>>system and processor architecture ruled the day, thus AMD's equal to a
P4
>>XX GHz labeling on there processors. I still use my G4 1.25 MHz and I
can
>>tell you from experience, it is faster than my p4 2.4 and 2.8 prescott
dual
>>threaded with faster bussing.
>>
>>So you say that the G5 were slow. In there time, they weren't and they're
>>still not slow! But you constantly say they are, and call Steve Jobs a
>lier.
>> Back when the G5 came out it was #3 in the world! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search=
>> The G5 is not a slow computer. Apple uses independent testing laboratories.
>> It just more anti Mac bashing on your part.
>>
>>You say that because Apple moved to Intel it proves that you were right
>all
>>along, not even close! When Apple Dumped the Mac cloning, motorola was
>pissed.
>> I know first hand, they told me. They also told me they were going to
>get
>>Apple back because they had a 90 million dollar charge off. They stalled
>>Apple on G4 processor shipments and intentionally slowed the processor
speed
>>jumps.
>>
>>Apple turned to IBM. When Jobs announced the G5 for the first time, he
>stated
>>in the keynote that they would be at 3 GHz with in a year, and the road
>map
>>looked great. That was IBMs road map. IBM couldn't deliver!!!! Two
years
>>later Apple was at 2.7GHz, and not the newer generation G5s. The G5 was
>>too hot! Apple even turned to Delphi automotive to develop a cooling system.
>> They had no way of putting the G5 in a laptop. So they went with one
of
>>Apples contingency plans they had been working on for five years, Intel!
>> Intel had a new generation of processors coming out, that were faster,
>cooler
>>and they also had a low power consuming mobile processors. It was a no
>brainer,
>>win, win deal. Intel could deliver. I think it was also a message to
MS
>>to keep working with Apple on MS Office development for the Mac.
>>
>>You have to bash the Mac every chance you get. You have taken things personally.
>> Your venom for Steve Jobs is unbelievable. I think you need to be honest
>>about things. How many new Mac computers have you personally bought?
Your
>>still not over Logic, and even though you don't use logic you rip on it
>every
>>chance you get. It's the same old PC zealot stuff, Logic sucks and it's
>>all done. Apple's going out of business any minute now, try again!
>>
>>In the past, some big organizations did some studied on cost of operation.
>> Boeing, Hues Aircraft, the US Navy and others. What they found was they
>>needed a minimum of 6 people for every 100 PCs to maintain them. They
only
>>needed 0 to one person to maintain 100 Macs. The cost difference was significant.
>> The truth is Mac users don't really need IT guys like the PC world does.
>> You IT guys know it and you hate that.
>>
>>So lets tell some truth. Your a Microsoft certified IT guy, right? You
>>have taken quite a few Microsoft training classes, right? And you make
>your
>>living with Microsoft products and Microsoft certification, right? The
>real
>>truth is Apple computers don't need IT Guys to maintain them. Apple computers
>>are a perceived threat to It guys, that's why you guys all have so much
>venom
>>for anything Apple. It's not that Apple sucks, it's that you guys all
hate
>>any thing Apple. Why don't you just admit it?
>>
>>You said or at least insinuated that Windows is a standard, but anything
>>Mac is not. In many cases Apple has created the standard and MS just copies
>>it. It's all just typical Mac bashing PC zealot stuff. It's down right
>>insulting to a Mac user to say that were drinking the Steve Jobs Kool-Aid.
>> The insinuation is that we are all stupid people that are gullible enough
>>to believe a bunch of lies. That we use an inferior product. Like I say
>>your welcome to sue Apple any time your ready to back up your BS. If you
>>were honest about it all, you be speaking up about MS's behavior instead
>>of giving THEM the free pass! Dude, to rip on Apple or Steve Jobs, and
>in
>>effect putting down Mac users every chance you get is just plain lame.
>>
>>Apple doesn't suck, just admit it.
>>
>>
>>By the way, My original post had noting to do with Mac vs. PC. I wasn't
>>trying to say this product is better than yours. I was just saying check
>>it out, it's cool!
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Ted and others,
>>>
>>>I think the reason(s) why the mention of Steve Jobs and Keynotes brings
>>out
>>>so much venom, as you say, is because of the both the past and even current
>>>lies and propaganda that spews from his mouth..
>>>
>>>Statements like : Re-invent and Faster Personal Computer ever in my opinion
>>>is just plain wrong. I know too many had working people who believed His
>>>(Jobs) hype. Only to be sorely disa pointed when they found out that the
>>>Cpu test were rigged, and their Mac did "crash" on both OS8,9 and even
>OS-X(all
>>>versions).
>>>
>>>He (Jobs) usually mocks at windows user and Microsoft when he starts his
>>>keynote.(read: Dumb) When 90 percent of this world are using Windows based
>>>computers.
>>>
>>>So, the venom is actually corrections to the lies Mr Jobs spews. When
Mac
>>>users come and reguritate Mr Jobs lies, most Windows users will not just
>>>let them get away with such.
>>>
>>>I don't see anything wrong with setting the record straight.
>>>P.S.
>>>The Mac Pro is currently thee fastest Personal Computer on the market..
>>:)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I have never entered into any computer platform discussion pro or con
>>>>in this newsgroup. I have my own preferences having worked on both, but
>>>I'm
>>>>not pushing my views on anyone else, except over beers at the local pub
>>>with
>>>>friends who are ready, willing and able. (As an aside, they are 1. Always
>>>>vehemont, and 2. Without any actual real world experience on one of the
>>>>platforms in question).
>>>>
>>>>I have to say that I am amazed by the venom that spews whenever someone
>>>>points to something Mac. It seems irrational to me. As if Steve Jobs
personally
>>>>injured some on this group. Why do we worry so much about things we have
>>>>no
>>>>control over? If someone points out a new plug, or a new amp, or instrument,
>>>>things usually don't get personal. The recent donnybrook over Politics,
>>>Religion
>>>>and
>>>>War is regrettable but not surprising. But somebody pointing to a new
>product
>>>>from a computer co and getting sarcasm, disgust, resentment and
>>>>mockery just makes no sense.
>>>>
>>>>Ted
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
>>
>>>Unlike
>>>>>you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a regular
>>>>>basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
>>
>>>I've
>>>>>been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold,
and
>>>>built
>>>>>many PCs
>>>>>
>>>>>I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating systems.
>>>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but
>>>that's
>>>>>where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines
>are
>>>>>a major PITA to deal with.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all
>>the
>>>>>stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
>>>>>stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
>>
>>>Some
>>>>>recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced
>>>at
>>>>>CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like
>>the
>>>>>Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what color?
>>>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may
>>be
>>>>>MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>>I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have
mention
>>>>>all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
>>>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here.
>
>>It's
>>>>>always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
>>>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've
been
>>>>>using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I
>think
>>>>>the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing.
I
>>don't
>>>>>know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
>>>>problem
>>>>>free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally speaking,
>>>>>and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
>>>>1994!
>>>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use
>>the
>>>>>same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>>>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but
>>you
>>>>>have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it
>cost???
>>>>>The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all
>the
>>>>>problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an example
>>>>>of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love
>to
>>>>tinker
>>>>>and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>>>>folks.
>>>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>>>
>>>>>My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
>>>impressed
>>>>>with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same
guys
>>>>>that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My
>thing
>>>>>can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>>>
>>>>The
>>>>>old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
>>
>>>My
>>>>>windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a
draw
>>>>>to arms challenge.
>>>>>
>>>>>I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine
is
>>>better
>>>>>and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>>>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out
completely.
>>>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface
>>>>>are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's
a
>>smaller
>>>>>sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
>>>>can
>>>>>create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more
features
>>>>>and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with
zoom
>>>>>in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice
etc.
>>>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you
>>>rip
>>>>>on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products.
>It's
>>>>>always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
>>>>>when your going to bash something.
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and discover
>>>>>
>>>>>>what we all see.
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx
>syncs
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy bettter
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user
they
>>>>>are
>>>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit
>of
>>>>third
>>>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
>>
>>>Only
>>>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for
>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>>
>>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>>>
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they
>have
>>>>>
>>>>>>> copied
>>>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with
the
>>>>aqua
>>>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant
>>rip
>>>>>off
>>>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at
>it
>>>>for
>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN
(Lol!!)
>>>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
>>>>The
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr
Jobs
>>>>>stop
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because
>>we're
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is
>>at
>>>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the
>>UI,
>>>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily
a
>>koolaid
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>>earned
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
>features
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my
>final
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
>>>the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy
>>for
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
>>>>it
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick.
That
>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and
>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus
>>all
>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those
>>times
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
>digital
>>>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use
>>a
>>>>Psion
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
>>little
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's
>a
>>>lot
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one
>>if
>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now.
>>>None
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their
>needs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and
all
>>>>MS
>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface
are
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx..
>>It
>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket..
>>>:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod?
>Is
>>>>it
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78249 is a reply to message #78198] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 10:37 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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James,
I made a promise to myself not to get into these PC vs. Mac threads, because
much like politics and religion, they just deteriorate into pissing matches.
Just look at the 100 post bash fest to your simple "hey take a look at
Apple's iPhone if you're interested" post. I do appreciate your FYI posts
about Mac products just as I appreciate others posts about Windows only
products. Anyway, don't let the bashers get you too down.
Tony
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45a6b2f0$1@linux...
>
> Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
> Unlike
> you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a regular
> basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
> I've
> been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold, and
> built
> many PCs
>
> I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating
> systems.
> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but
> that's
> where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines are
> a major PITA to deal with.
>
> There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all the
> stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
> stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
> Some
> recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced at
> CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like the
> Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what color?
> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may be
> MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>
> I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have
> mention
> all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here. It's
> always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been
> using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I think
> the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing. I
> don't
> know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
> problem
> free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally
> speaking,
> and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>
> I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
> 1994!
> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use the
> same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but you
> have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it
> cost???
> The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all the
> problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an example
> of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love to
> tinker
> and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
> folks.
> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>
> My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
> impressed
> with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys
> that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My thing
> can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
> The
> old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest. My
> windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw
> to arms challenge.
>
> I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is
> better
> and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out
> completely.
> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface
> are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a
> smaller
> sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
> can
> create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more
> features
> and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom
> in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc.
> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you rip
> on it just because it's an Apple product.
>
> Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products. It's
> always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
> when your going to bash something.
>
> James
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and discover
>
>>what we all see.
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>
>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx syncs
>>> with
>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy bettter
>>> than
>>>>itunes..
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they
> are
>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit of
>>> third
>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate. Only
>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for the
>
>>> average
>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>> Again,
>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>
>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>> better
>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>
>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they have
>
>>> copied
>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
>>> aqua
>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant rip
> off
>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at it for
>>> years.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?). The
>>>>
>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>
>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
> stop
>>>>with
>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>
>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because we're
>>>>
>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>
>>>>>> claim
>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>
>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is at
>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the UI,
>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a
>>>>>>> koolaid
>>>>
>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>>>>>>> earned
>>>>
>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
>>>>>>> features
>>>>
>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my final
>>>
>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone, the
>>>
>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy for
>
>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that it
>>> be
>>>>
>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
> it's
>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and a
>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus all
> my
>>>>
>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those times
>>>>
>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
>>>>>>> digital
>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use a
>>>>>>> Psion
>>>>
>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
>>>>>>> little
>>>>
>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's a lot
>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one if
> it
>>>>
>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now. None
>>>>of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
> has
>>>>
>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their needs.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
>>> is
>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all MS
>>> applications
>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
> you
>>>>might
>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are
>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx.. It
> like
>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket.. :)
>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20&subj=news
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? Is it
>>> a
>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78259 is a reply to message #78247] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 14:42 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Spoken like a true Mac bashing, Apple bashing, PC Zealot! The Truth is it
was #3 in the world! It's probably still there. There just more dumb mac
users that drank the Steve jobs Kool-Aid and bought in to the G5 hype, right
LaMont?
Another over exaggeration by you. They were Apples first customer to receive
the G5s. The Xserve G5 wasn't available until the following year. Plus,
if they ever wanted to dismantle it to upgrade the systems, the Towers would
have faster and better resale value. They just weren't available at the
time of purchase.
I saw a G5 demo here in town, where they were showing what the G5 could do,
to a group of Professional video editors. The demonstrator open 30 different
Video windows and started playing all the videos, and asked the PC guys if
there systems could do that, they all shook their heads no. Then he started
rendering all the video at the same time, he again asked them if their PC
could do that, the all gave a resounding no! He continued doing multiple
real time renders and showed many other things to show the G5s power. No
body left without being vary impressed with it's power and capabilities.
Our experiences are quite a bit different. Again, Apple couldn't have made
the claims at the time if it wasn't true.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Just Stop!!! That school IT head needs to be fired!! As with most academic
>institutions IT personal.
>
>This PHD obviously nuts. Just 2 weeks after that implementation(In Pure
Apple
>form), the come out with the G5 X-servers. Could saved that university of
>ton of space. Also, to say that those G5 could compete with IBS mainframes
>, HP unix mid frams is insane at best..
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here's the correct link on the G5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>LaMont I love ya man, but I gotta call you out on this one. The G4 you
>>work
>>>on is a 867Mhz right? That machine is from 2001! That's a six year old
>>>machine your talking about being slow!!!! Check it out at www.apple-history.com
>>>
>>>You conveniently remember things the way you want to. When Apple announced
>>>that they had the fastest personal computer on the planet, they did.
That
>>>was the truth, that's the fact, if it wasn't, Intel, AMD, Dell, Gateway,
>>>HP, and every other other PC manufacture would have sued Apple and won!!!!!
>>> Now might be a good time for you to file a suit against Apple if you
think
>>>they misrepresented a product they sold you. However, I think you would
>>>find that claim would be frivolous. Computer processors through out history
>>>have quickly leapfrogged each other in processing power. For a time the
>>>were the fastest. The testing was done independently. The Mac bashing
>>PC
>>>zealots spread the lie that the tests were fixed.
>>>
>>>The G4 was a good processor, it was noted in the industry for being a
work
>>>horse. The G4 was fast in it's time, in computer years, that was a long
>>>time ago. Your still complaining about it, and calling Steve Jobs a lier.
>>> Of corse every company uses marketing spin, Jobs doesn't lie. And at
>least
>>>Apple doesn't steal the technology and call it their own. Once again
the
>>>G4 had a different architecture than the Pentium chips. The G4 had 8
data
>>>pipelines going in and out of the chip. The P4 had 2. The G4 had way
>more
>>>cache on board than the P4 did, in some cases more than 4 times as much.
>>> The G4 would typically compete toe to toe with a P4 with twice the clock
>>>speed.
>>>
>>> Apple, AMD. IBM and Motorola, started calling Intel out on "The MHz Myth".
>>> Clock speed no longer was the only determining factor in computing speed,
>>>system and processor architecture ruled the day, thus AMD's equal to a
>P4
>>>XX GHz labeling on there processors. I still use my G4 1.25 MHz and I
>can
>>>tell you from experience, it is faster than my p4 2.4 and 2.8 prescott
>dual
>>>threaded with faster bussing.
>>>
>>>So you say that the G5 were slow. In there time, they weren't and they're
>>>still not slow! But you constantly say they are, and call Steve Jobs
a
>>lier.
>>> Back when the G5 came out it was #3 in the world! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search=
>>> The G5 is not a slow computer. Apple uses independent testing laboratories.
>>> It just more anti Mac bashing on your part.
>>>
>>>You say that because Apple moved to Intel it proves that you were right
>>all
>>>along, not even close! When Apple Dumped the Mac cloning, motorola was
>>pissed.
>>> I know first hand, they told me. They also told me they were going to
>>get
>>>Apple back because they had a 90 million dollar charge off. They stalled
>>>Apple on G4 processor shipments and intentionally slowed the processor
>speed
>>>jumps.
>>>
>>>Apple turned to IBM. When Jobs announced the G5 for the first time, he
>>stated
>>>in the keynote that they would be at 3 GHz with in a year, and the road
>>map
>>>looked great. That was IBMs road map. IBM couldn't deliver!!!! Two
>years
>>>later Apple was at 2.7GHz, and not the newer generation G5s. The G5 was
>>>too hot! Apple even turned to Delphi automotive to develop a cooling
system.
>>> They had no way of putting the G5 in a laptop. So they went with one
>of
>>>Apples contingency plans they had been working on for five years, Intel!
>>> Intel had a new generation of processors coming out, that were faster,
>>cooler
>>>and they also had a low power consuming mobile processors. It was a no
>>brainer,
>>>win, win deal. Intel could deliver. I think it was also a message to
>MS
>>>to keep working with Apple on MS Office development for the Mac.
>>>
>>>You have to bash the Mac every chance you get. You have taken things
personally.
>>> Your venom for Steve Jobs is unbelievable. I think you need to be honest
>>>about things. How many new Mac computers have you personally bought?
>Your
>>>still not over Logic, and even though you don't use logic you rip on it
>>every
>>>chance you get. It's the same old PC zealot stuff, Logic sucks and it's
>>>all done. Apple's going out of business any minute now, try again!
>>>
>>>In the past, some big organizations did some studied on cost of operation.
>>> Boeing, Hues Aircraft, the US Navy and others. What they found was they
>>>needed a minimum of 6 people for every 100 PCs to maintain them. They
>only
>>>needed 0 to one person to maintain 100 Macs. The cost difference was
significant.
>>> The truth is Mac users don't really need IT guys like the PC world does.
>>> You IT guys know it and you hate that.
>>>
>>>So lets tell some truth. Your a Microsoft certified IT guy, right? You
>>>have taken quite a few Microsoft training classes, right? And you make
>>your
>>>living with Microsoft products and Microsoft certification, right? The
>>real
>>>truth is Apple computers don't need IT Guys to maintain them. Apple computers
>>>are a perceived threat to It guys, that's why you guys all have so much
>>venom
>>>for anything Apple. It's not that Apple sucks, it's that you guys all
>hate
>>>any thing Apple. Why don't you just admit it?
>>>
>>>You said or at least insinuated that Windows is a standard, but anything
>>>Mac is not. In many cases Apple has created the standard and MS just
copies
>>>it. It's all just typical Mac bashing PC zealot stuff. It's down right
>>>insulting to a Mac user to say that were drinking the Steve Jobs Kool-Aid.
>>> The insinuation is that we are all stupid people that are gullible enough
>>>to believe a bunch of lies. That we use an inferior product. Like I
say
>>>your welcome to sue Apple any time your ready to back up your BS. If
you
>>>were honest about it all, you be speaking up about MS's behavior instead
>>>of giving THEM the free pass! Dude, to rip on Apple or Steve Jobs, and
>>in
>>>effect putting down Mac users every chance you get is just plain lame.
>>>
>>>Apple doesn't suck, just admit it.
>>>
>>>
>>>By the way, My original post had noting to do with Mac vs. PC. I wasn't
>>>trying to say this product is better than yours. I was just saying check
>>>it out, it's cool!
>>>
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Ted and others,
>>>>
>>>>I think the reason(s) why the mention of Steve Jobs and Keynotes brings
>>>out
>>>>so much venom, as you say, is because of the both the past and even current
>>>>lies and propaganda that spews from his mouth..
>>>>
>>>>Statements like : Re-invent and Faster Personal Computer ever in my opinion
>>>>is just plain wrong. I know too many had working people who believed
His
>>>>(Jobs) hype. Only to be sorely disa pointed when they found out that
the
>>>>Cpu test were rigged, and their Mac did "crash" on both OS8,9 and even
>>OS-X(all
>>>>versions).
>>>>
>>>>He (Jobs) usually mocks at windows user and Microsoft when he starts
his
>>>>keynote.(read: Dumb) When 90 percent of this world are using Windows
based
>>>>computers.
>>>>
>>>>So, the venom is actually corrections to the lies Mr Jobs spews. When
>Mac
>>>>users come and reguritate Mr Jobs lies, most Windows users will not just
>>>>let them get away with such.
>>>>
>>>>I don't see anything wrong with setting the record straight.
>>>>P.S.
>>>>The Mac Pro is currently thee fastest Personal Computer on the market..
>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I have never entered into any computer platform discussion pro or con
>>>>>in this newsgroup. I have my own preferences having worked on both,
but
>>>>I'm
>>>>>not pushing my views on anyone else, except over beers at the local
pub
>>>>with
>>>>>friends who are ready, willing and able. (As an aside, they are 1. Always
>>>>>vehemont, and 2. Without any actual real world experience on one of
the
>>>>>platforms in question).
>>>>>
>>>>>I have to say that I am amazed by the venom that spews whenever someone
>>>>>points to something Mac. It seems irrational to me. As if Steve Jobs
>personally
>>>>>injured some on this group. Why do we worry so much about things we
have
>>>>>no
>>>>>control over? If someone points out a new plug, or a new amp, or instrument,
>>>>>things usually don't get personal. The recent donnybrook over Politics,
>>>>Religion
>>>>>and
>>>>>War is regrettable but not surprising. But somebody pointing to a new
>>product
>>>>>from a computer co and getting sarcasm, disgust, resentment and
>>>>>mockery just makes no sense.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
>>>
>>>>Unlike
>>>>>>you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a regular
>>>>>>basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
>>>
>>>>I've
>>>>>>been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold,
>and
>>>>>built
>>>>>>many PCs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating
systems.
>>>>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has,
but
>>>>that's
>>>>>>where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines
>>are
>>>>>>a major PITA to deal with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all
>>>the
>>>>>>stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say
MS/PC
>>>>>>stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
>>>
>>>>Some
>>>>>>recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced
>>>>at
>>>>>>CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like
>>>the
>>>>>>Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what
color?
>>>>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may
>>>be
>>>>>>MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have
>mention
>>>>>>all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
>>>>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here.
>>
>>>It's
>>>>>>always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
>>>>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've
>been
>>>>>>using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash.
I
>>think
>>>>>>the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing.
>I
>>>don't
>>>>>>know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most
part
>>>>>problem
>>>>>>free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally
speaking,
>>>>>>and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
>>>>>1994!
>>>>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use
>>>the
>>>>>>same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>>>>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but
>>>you
>>>>>>have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it
>>cost???
>>>>>>The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all
>>the
>>>>>>problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an example
>>>>>>of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love
>>to
>>>>>tinker
>>>>>>and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>>>>>folks.
>>>>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I
was
>>>>impressed
>>>>>>with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same
>guys
>>>>>>that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My
>>thing
>>>>>>can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>>>>
>>>>>The
>>>>>>old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
>>>
>>>>My
>>>>>>windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a
>draw
>>>>>>to arms challenge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine
>is
>>>>better
>>>>>>and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>>>>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out
>completely.
>>>>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface
>>>>>>are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's
>a
>>>smaller
>>>>>>sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced,
they
>>>>>can
>>>>>>create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more
>features
>>>>>>and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with
>zoom
>>>>>>in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice
>etc.
>>>>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before
you
>>>>rip
>>>>>>on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products.
>
>>It's
>>>>>>always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
>>>>>>when your going to bash something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and
discover
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>what we all see.
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx
>>syncs
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy
bettter
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user
>they
>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit
>>of
>>>>>third
>>>>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
>>>
>>>>Only
>>>>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for
>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they
>>have
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> copied
>>>>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with
>the
>>>>>aqua
>>>>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant
>>>rip
>>>>>>off
>>>>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at
>>it
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN
>(Lol!!)
>>>>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
>>>>>The
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr
>Jobs
>>>>>>stop
>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because
>>>we're
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version
is
>>>at
>>>>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the
>>>UI,
>>>>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily
>a
>>>koolaid
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>>>earned
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
>>features
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my
>>final
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy
>>>for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and
that
>>>>>it
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick.
>That
>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen
and
>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus
>>>all
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those
>>>times
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
>>digital
>>>>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use
>>>a
>>>>>Psion
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
>>>little
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's
>>a
>>>>lot
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one
>>>if
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now.
>>>>None
>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky
phones
>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter
of
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their
>>needs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and
>all
>>>>>MS
>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface
>are
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx..
>>>It
>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket..
>>>>:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod?
>>Is
>>>>>it
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78264 is a reply to message #78249] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 15:38 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>James,
>
>I made a promise to myself not to get into these PC vs. Mac threads, because
>much like politics and religion, they just deteriorate into pissing matches.
>Just look at the 100 post bash fest to your simple "hey take a look at
>Apple's iPhone if you're interested" post. I do appreciate your FYI posts
>about Mac products just as I appreciate others posts about Windows only
>products. Anyway, don't let the bashers get you too down.
>
>Tony
>
Thanks Tony! It really is a wast of my time to get in to the mud with them.
It's hard when some Mac basher starts spewing a bunch of ignorant shit.
A guy on another NG said that Apple was just copying the PDA, and ripping
off Palm and Microsoft with the touch screen PDA thing. Apparently he had
never heard of the Apple Newton. I didn't bother posting a reply, I figure
some day somebody will straiten him out.
I like LaMont and we go back a ways, other wise I wouldn't spend five minutes
on this. It's funny how we all see the same thing differently.
It's the cheap shots, calling some one a lier and the general untruths and
bashing that brings me out on this. It's all insulting to the Mac users.
When we had a poll of who was still here a couple of years ago, just over
100 people replyed. Just over 40 of them were Mac users. Some of those
people were encouraged to switch platforms. I think there some option advantages
to switching to the PC, but the headaches! Since there are a bunch of Mac
users here I don't think it's fair for there to be all the bashing. Everybody
has a right to their opinion, but not to the untruths. Nobody should be
insulted for using a Mac or be made to feel bad about using a Mac. Just
because 90% of the world uses PCs doesn't make them right. Just because
there were more Ford Escort sold world wide in the 90's than any other car,
doesn't mean it was the best car you could buy.
In the future, if I make a post about any Apple products I will try to refrain
for making any comments unless asked, or someone starts Bashing.
James
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45a6b2f0$1@linux...
>>
>> Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
>> Unlike
>> you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a regular
>> basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
>> I've
>> been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold, and
>> built
>> many PCs
>>
>> I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating
>> systems.
>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but
>> that's
>> where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines are
>> a major PITA to deal with.
>>
>> There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all
the
>> stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
>> stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
>> Some
>> recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced
at
>> CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like
the
>> Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what color?
>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may be
>> MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>
>> I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have
>> mention
>> all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here. It's
>> always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been
>> using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I think
>> the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing. I
>> don't
>> know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
>> problem
>> free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally
>> speaking,
>> and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>
>> I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
>> 1994!
>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use the
>> same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but you
>> have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it
>> cost???
>> The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all the
>> problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an example
>> of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love to
>> tinker
>> and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>> folks.
>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>
>> My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
>> impressed
>> with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys
>> that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My thing
>> can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>> The
>> old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
My
>> windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw
>> to arms challenge.
>>
>> I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is
>> better
>> and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out
>> completely.
>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface
>> are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a
>> smaller
>> sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
>> can
>> create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more
>> features
>> and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom
>> in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc.
>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you
rip
>> on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>
>> Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products. It's
>> always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
>> when your going to bash something.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and discover
>>
>>>what we all see.
>>>--
>>>Martin Harrington
>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>>
>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx syncs
>>>> with
>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy bettter
>>>> than
>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they
>> are
>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit of
>>>> third
>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
Only
>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for the
>>
>>>> average
>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>>> Again,
>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>
>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>>> better
>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>
>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they have
>>
>>>> copied
>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
>>>> aqua
>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant rip
>> off
>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at it
for
>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
The
>>>>>
>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>>
>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
>> stop
>>>>>with
>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because we're
>>>>>
>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>
>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is at
>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the UI,
>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a
>>>>>>>> koolaid
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>>>>>>>> earned
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my final
>>>>
>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
the
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy for
>>
>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
it
>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>> it's
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and
a
>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus all
>> my
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those times
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use a
>>>>>>>> Psion
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's a
lot
>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one if
>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now.
None
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
>> has
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their needs.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
>>>> is
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all
MS
>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>> you
>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are
>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx.. It
>> like
>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket..
:)
>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20&subj=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? Is
it
>>>> a
>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78265 is a reply to message #78242] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 14:59 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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Hi David
I think that's the problem...although I'm not sure whether it's Intel based
although it's brand new, (not mine).
I said to him that he should probably get V 7.3, which is what he was
supposed to get but they didn't have 7.3 in stock apparently.
He bought it with the 002 rack unit, and told him to get the free upgrade to
7.3.
One question though, it
PT 7.3 LE, will that be able to be controlled by T/C, (MTC)?, as the show
we are doing, (Australia's
Next Top Model), want's us the be the master clock for the 4 digital
betacams that are shooting the show?
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:45a7b9fd$1@linux...
> Hi Martin,
>
> If this Mac book is Intel based, you will have to run PT V7.2 or better.
> The previous versions are not Intel compatible.
>
> David.
>
> Martin Harrington wrote:
>> You say that I said Macs crash..well.they do...and it happened today.
>> We were setting up a tech run for a new 10 week series I'm starting to
>> shoot, (record location audio), and set up a new Macbook loaded with Pro
>> Tools V7.0, (OSX 10.4), I think.
>> Every time we went to open PT, it crashed requiring a reboot...who knows
>> why...probably version conflicts...dunno.
>> I use Macs on a fairly regular basis, and if you could see my PC desktop,
>> you would see Rocket Dock displayed prominently at the bottom ala
>> Mac....(btw, I do own a Mac, just don't use it very often.)
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78272 is a reply to message #78259] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 17:07 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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James, once again, you went to one of those rigged Apple Video demos.
I build machines for studios who ar into video editing as well. And these
studios are Mac based Pro Tools HD /Ala Final cut pro. However, they saw
a Dual AMD XP(At the time) running Vega Video Pro, and they decided to go
with the Dual Opteron running Vegas Pro / with the Matrox RT card.
Most mac users find it hard to believe that aWindows based machine can out
gun them on video editing, but it's true.It just depend onthe Application..
For Mac, Adobe premier and final cut pro have been Altivec optimized..That's
great. However, on the windows side, Sony's Vegas Video as well as Avid Xpress,
can run, render like nobodys business. AND , they could save a few bucks
in the process.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Spoken like a true Mac bashing, Apple bashing, PC Zealot! The Truth is
it
>was #3 in the world! It's probably still there. There just more dumb mac
>users that drank the Steve jobs Kool-Aid and bought in to the G5 hype, right
>LaMont?
>
>Another over exaggeration by you. They were Apples first customer to receive
>the G5s. The Xserve G5 wasn't available until the following year. Plus,
>if they ever wanted to dismantle it to upgrade the systems, the Towers would
>have faster and better resale value. They just weren't available at the
>time of purchase.
>
>I saw a G5 demo here in town, where they were showing what the G5 could
do,
>to a group of Professional video editors. The demonstrator open 30 different
>Video windows and started playing all the videos, and asked the PC guys
if
>there systems could do that, they all shook their heads no. Then he started
>rendering all the video at the same time, he again asked them if their PC
>could do that, the all gave a resounding no! He continued doing multiple
>real time renders and showed many other things to show the G5s power. No
>body left without being vary impressed with it's power and capabilities.
>
>
>Our experiences are quite a bit different. Again, Apple couldn't have made
>the claims at the time if it wasn't true.
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Just Stop!!! That school IT head needs to be fired!! As with most academic
>>institutions IT personal.
>>
>>This PHD obviously nuts. Just 2 weeks after that implementation(In Pure
>Apple
>>form), the come out with the G5 X-servers. Could saved that university
of
>>ton of space. Also, to say that those G5 could compete with IBS mainframes
>>, HP unix mid frams is insane at best..
>>
>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Here's the correct link on the G5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>LaMont I love ya man, but I gotta call you out on this one. The G4 you
>>>work
>>>>on is a 867Mhz right? That machine is from 2001! That's a six year
old
>>>>machine your talking about being slow!!!! Check it out at www.apple-history.com
>>>>
>>>>You conveniently remember things the way you want to. When Apple announced
>>>>that they had the fastest personal computer on the planet, they did.
>That
>>>>was the truth, that's the fact, if it wasn't, Intel, AMD, Dell, Gateway,
>>>>HP, and every other other PC manufacture would have sued Apple and won!!!!!
>>>> Now might be a good time for you to file a suit against Apple if you
>think
>>>>they misrepresented a product they sold you. However, I think you would
>>>>find that claim would be frivolous. Computer processors through out
history
>>>>have quickly leapfrogged each other in processing power. For a time
the
>>>>were the fastest. The testing was done independently. The Mac bashing
>>>PC
>>>>zealots spread the lie that the tests were fixed.
>>>>
>>>>The G4 was a good processor, it was noted in the industry for being a
>work
>>>>horse. The G4 was fast in it's time, in computer years, that was a long
>>>>time ago. Your still complaining about it, and calling Steve Jobs a
lier.
>>>> Of corse every company uses marketing spin, Jobs doesn't lie. And at
>>least
>>>>Apple doesn't steal the technology and call it their own. Once again
>the
>>>>G4 had a different architecture than the Pentium chips. The G4 had 8
>data
>>>>pipelines going in and out of the chip. The P4 had 2. The G4 had way
>>more
>>>>cache on board than the P4 did, in some cases more than 4 times as much.
>>>> The G4 would typically compete toe to toe with a P4 with twice the clock
>>>>speed.
>>>>
>>>> Apple, AMD. IBM and Motorola, started calling Intel out on "The MHz
Myth".
>>>> Clock speed no longer was the only determining factor in computing speed,
>>>>system and processor architecture ruled the day, thus AMD's equal to
a
>>P4
>>>>XX GHz labeling on there processors. I still use my G4 1.25 MHz and
I
>>can
>>>>tell you from experience, it is faster than my p4 2.4 and 2.8 prescott
>>dual
>>>>threaded with faster bussing.
>>>>
>>>>So you say that the G5 were slow. In there time, they weren't and they're
>>>>still not slow! But you constantly say they are, and call Steve Jobs
>a
>>>lier.
>>>> Back when the G5 came out it was #3 in the world! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search=
>>>> The G5 is not a slow computer. Apple uses independent testing laboratories.
>>>> It just more anti Mac bashing on your part.
>>>>
>>>>You say that because Apple moved to Intel it proves that you were right
>>>all
>>>>along, not even close! When Apple Dumped the Mac cloning, motorola was
>>>pissed.
>>>> I know first hand, they told me. They also told me they were going
to
>>>get
>>>>Apple back because they had a 90 million dollar charge off. They stalled
>>>>Apple on G4 processor shipments and intentionally slowed the processor
>>speed
>>>>jumps.
>>>>
>>>>Apple turned to IBM. When Jobs announced the G5 for the first time,
he
>>>stated
>>>>in the keynote that they would be at 3 GHz with in a year, and the road
>>>map
>>>>looked great. That was IBMs road map. IBM couldn't deliver!!!! Two
>>years
>>>>later Apple was at 2.7GHz, and not the newer generation G5s. The G5
was
>>>>too hot! Apple even turned to Delphi automotive to develop a cooling
>system.
>>>> They had no way of putting the G5 in a laptop. So they went with one
>>of
>>>>Apples contingency plans they had been working on for five years, Intel!
>>>> Intel had a new generation of processors coming out, that were faster,
>>>cooler
>>>>and they also had a low power consuming mobile processors. It was a
no
>>>brainer,
>>>>win, win deal. Intel could deliver. I think it was also a message to
>>MS
>>>>to keep working with Apple on MS Office development for the Mac.
>>>>
>>>>You have to bash the Mac every chance you get. You have taken things
>personally.
>>>> Your venom for Steve Jobs is unbelievable. I think you need to be
honest
>>>>about things. How many new Mac computers have you personally bought?
>
>>Your
>>>>still not over Logic, and even though you don't use logic you rip on
it
>>>every
>>>>chance you get. It's the same old PC zealot stuff, Logic sucks and it's
>>>>all done. Apple's going out of business any minute now, try again!
>>>>
>>>>In the past, some big organizations did some studied on cost of operation.
>>>> Boeing, Hues Aircraft, the US Navy and others. What they found was
they
>>>>needed a minimum of 6 people for every 100 PCs to maintain them. They
>>only
>>>>needed 0 to one person to maintain 100 Macs. The cost difference was
>significant.
>>>> The truth is Mac users don't really need IT guys like the PC world does.
>>>> You IT guys know it and you hate that.
>>>>
>>>>So lets tell some truth. Your a Microsoft certified IT guy, right?
You
>>>>have taken quite a few Microsoft training classes, right? And you make
>>>your
>>>>living with Microsoft products and Microsoft certification, right? The
>>>real
>>>>truth is Apple computers don't need IT Guys to maintain them. Apple
computers
>>>>are a perceived threat to It guys, that's why you guys all have so much
>>>venom
>>>>for anything Apple. It's not that Apple sucks, it's that you guys all
>>hate
>>>>any thing Apple. Why don't you just admit it?
>>>>
>>>>You said or at least insinuated that Windows is a standard, but anything
>>>>Mac is not. In many cases Apple has created the standard and MS just
>copies
>>>>it. It's all just typical Mac bashing PC zealot stuff. It's down right
>>>>insulting to a Mac user to say that were drinking the Steve Jobs Kool-Aid.
>>>> The insinuation is that we are all stupid people that are gullible enough
>>>>to believe a bunch of lies. That we use an inferior product. Like I
>say
>>>>your welcome to sue Apple any time your ready to back up your BS. If
>you
>>>>were honest about it all, you be speaking up about MS's behavior instead
>>>>of giving THEM the free pass! Dude, to rip on Apple or Steve Jobs, and
>>>in
>>>>effect putting down Mac users every chance you get is just plain lame.
>>>>
>>>>Apple doesn't suck, just admit it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>By the way, My original post had noting to do with Mac vs. PC. I wasn't
>>>>trying to say this product is better than yours. I was just saying check
>>>>it out, it's cool!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Ted and others,
>>>>>
>>>>>I think the reason(s) why the mention of Steve Jobs and Keynotes brings
>>>>out
>>>>>so much venom, as you say, is because of the both the past and even
current
>>>>>lies and propaganda that spews from his mouth..
>>>>>
>>>>>Statements like : Re-invent and Faster Personal Computer ever in my
opinion
>>>>>is just plain wrong. I know too many had working people who believed
>His
>>>>>(Jobs) hype. Only to be sorely disa pointed when they found out that
>the
>>>>>Cpu test were rigged, and their Mac did "crash" on both OS8,9 and even
>>>OS-X(all
>>>>>versions).
>>>>>
>>>>>He (Jobs) usually mocks at windows user and Microsoft when he starts
>his
>>>>>keynote.(read: Dumb) When 90 percent of this world are using Windows
>based
>>>>>computers.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, the venom is actually corrections to the lies Mr Jobs spews. When
>>Mac
>>>>>users come and reguritate Mr Jobs lies, most Windows users will not
just
>>>>>let them get away with such.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't see anything wrong with setting the record straight.
>>>>>P.S.
>>>>>The Mac Pro is currently thee fastest Personal Computer on the market..
>>>>:)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have never entered into any computer platform discussion pro or con
>>>>>>in this newsgroup. I have my own preferences having worked on both,
>but
>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>not pushing my views on anyone else, except over beers at the local
>pub
>>>>>with
>>>>>>friends who are ready, willing and able. (As an aside, they are 1.
Always
>>>>>>vehemont, and 2. Without any actual real world experience on one of
>the
>>>>>>platforms in question).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have to say that I am amazed by the venom that spews whenever someone
>>>>>>points to something Mac. It seems irrational to me. As if Steve Jobs
>>personally
>>>>>>injured some on this group. Why do we worry so much about things we
>have
>>>>>>no
>>>>>>control over? If someone points out a new plug, or a new amp, or instrument,
>>>>>>things usually don't get personal. The recent donnybrook over Politics,
>>>>>Religion
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>War is regrettable but not surprising. But somebody pointing to a new
>>>product
>>>>>>from a computer co and getting sarcasm, disgust, resentment and
>>>>>>mockery just makes no sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ted
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
>>>>
>>>>>Unlike
>>>>>>>you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a
regular
>>>>>>>basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
>>>>
>>>>>I've
>>>>>>>been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold,
>>and
>>>>>>built
>>>>>>>many PCs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating
>systems.
>>>>>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has,
>but
>>>>>that's
>>>>>>>where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines
>>>are
>>>>>>>a major PITA to deal with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is
all
>>>>the
>>>>>>>stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say
>MS/PC
>>>>>>>stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
>>>>
>>>>>Some
>>>>>>>recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced
>>>>>at
>>>>>>>CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like
>>>>the
>>>>>>>Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what
>color?
>>>>>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey,
may
>>>>be
>>>>>>>MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have
>>mention
>>>>>>>all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
>>>>>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here.
>>>
>>>>It's
>>>>>>>always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
>>>>>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've
>>been
>>>>>>>using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash.
>I
>>>think
>>>>>>>the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing.
>
>>I
>>>>don't
>>>>>>>know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most
>part
>>>>>>problem
>>>>>>>free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally
>speaking,
>>>>>>>and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday
since
>>>>>>1994!
>>>>>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't
use
>>>>the
>>>>>>>same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>>>>>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah,
but
>>>>you
>>>>>>>have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's
it
>>>cost???
>>>>>>>The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all
>>>the
>>>>>>>problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an
example
>>>>>>>of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love
>>>to
>>>>>>tinker
>>>>>>>and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>>>>>>folks.
>>>>>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I
>was
>>>>>impressed
>>>>>>>with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same
>>guys
>>>>>>>that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what,
My
>>>thing
>>>>>>>can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>>>>>
>>>>>>The
>>>>>>>old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
>>>>
>>>>>My
>>>>>>>windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or
a
>>draw
>>>>>>>to arms challenge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine
>>is
>>>>>better
>>>>>>>and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>>>>>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out
>>completely.
>>>>>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user
interface
>>>>>>>are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's
>>a
>>>>smaller
>>>>>>>sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced,
>they
>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more
>>features
>>>>>>>and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with
>>zoom
>>>>>>>in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice
>>etc.
>>>>>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before
>you
>>>>>rip
>>>>>>>on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products.
>>
>>>It's
>>>>>>>always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
>>>>>>>when your going to bash something.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and
>discover
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>what we all see.
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700
wx
>>>syncs
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy
>bettter
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user
>>they
>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit
>>>of
>>>>>>third
>>>>>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
>>>>
>>>>>Only
>>>>>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say
for
>>>>the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing
being
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they
>>>have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> copied
>>>>>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with
>>the
>>>>>>aqua
>>>>>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant
>>>>rip
>>>>>>>off
>>>>>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been
at
>>>it
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN
>>(Lol!!)
>>>>>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
>>>>>>The
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr
>>Jobs
>>>>>>>stop
>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because
>>>>we're
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version
>is
>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in
the
>>>>UI,
>>>>>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily
>>a
>>>>koolaid
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive
features
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>>>>earned
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
>>>features
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold
my
>>>final
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy
>>>>for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and
>that
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick.
>>That
>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen
>and
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus
>>>>all
>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those
>>>>times
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
>>>digital
>>>>>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I
use
>>>>a
>>>>>>Psion
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
>>>>little
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's
>>>a
>>>>>lot
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one
>>>>if
>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that
now.
>>>>>None
>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky
>phones
>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter
>of
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their
>>>needs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr
Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and
>>all
>>>>>>MS
>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface
>>are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx..
>>>>It
>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket..
>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod?
>>>Is
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78283 is a reply to message #78272] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 18:26 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Vegas is a superb video app. Under-rated for sure. Best workflow of most
any NLE, and I've
used most apps on the market, including Avid, Edius, FCP, etc. FCP is
second on
my list though - some things I like better in FCP, others in Vegas. Not
much I like
better in Avid though... Most editors/directors I do post for use FCP, but
there is a
strong and growing Vegas community.
Admit it James, you really are a Mac zealot or you wouldn't think twice
about
anyone posting that a PC might be faster, much less reply to try and prove
them wrong. :-)
Hey, use what floats your boat...er..bad analogy, both Macs and PCs will
sink if
placed in any body of water...
Dedric
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45a822df$1@linux...
>
> James, once again, you went to one of those rigged Apple Video demos.
>
> I build machines for studios who ar into video editing as well. And these
> studios are Mac based Pro Tools HD /Ala Final cut pro. However, they saw
> a Dual AMD XP(At the time) running Vega Video Pro, and they decided to go
> with the Dual Opteron running Vegas Pro / with the Matrox RT card.
> Most mac users find it hard to believe that aWindows based machine can out
> gun them on video editing, but it's true.It just depend onthe
> Application..
> For Mac, Adobe premier and final cut pro have been Altivec
> optimized..That's
> great. However, on the windows side, Sony's Vegas Video as well as Avid
> Xpress,
> can run, render like nobodys business. AND , they could save a few bucks
> in the process.
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Spoken like a true Mac bashing, Apple bashing, PC Zealot! The Truth is
> it
>>was #3 in the world! It's probably still there. There just more dumb mac
>>users that drank the Steve jobs Kool-Aid and bought in to the G5 hype,
>>right
>>LaMont?
>>
>>Another over exaggeration by you. They were Apples first customer to
>>receive
>>the G5s. The Xserve G5 wasn't available until the following year. Plus,
>>if they ever wanted to dismantle it to upgrade the systems, the Towers
>>would
>>have faster and better resale value. They just weren't available at the
>>time of purchase.
>>
>>I saw a G5 demo here in town, where they were showing what the G5 could
> do,
>>to a group of Professional video editors. The demonstrator open 30
>>different
>>Video windows and started playing all the videos, and asked the PC guys
> if
>>there systems could do that, they all shook their heads no. Then he
>>started
>>rendering all the video at the same time, he again asked them if their PC
>>could do that, the all gave a resounding no! He continued doing multiple
>>real time renders and showed many other things to show the G5s power. No
>>body left without being vary impressed with it's power and capabilities.
>>
>>
>>Our experiences are quite a bit different. Again, Apple couldn't have
>>made
>>the claims at the time if it wasn't true.
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Just Stop!!! That school IT head needs to be fired!! As with most
>>>academic
>>>institutions IT personal.
>>>
>>>This PHD obviously nuts. Just 2 weeks after that implementation(In Pure
>>Apple
>>>form), the come out with the G5 X-servers. Could saved that university
> of
>>>ton of space. Also, to say that those G5 could compete with IBS
>>>mainframes
>>>, HP unix mid frams is insane at best..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Here's the correct link on the G5:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>LaMont I love ya man, but I gotta call you out on this one. The G4 you
>>>>work
>>>>>on is a 867Mhz right? That machine is from 2001! That's a six year
> old
>>>>>machine your talking about being slow!!!! Check it out at
>>>>>www.apple-history.com
>>>>>
>>>>>You conveniently remember things the way you want to. When Apple
>>>>>announced
>>>>>that they had the fastest personal computer on the planet, they did.
>
>>That
>>>>>was the truth, that's the fact, if it wasn't, Intel, AMD, Dell,
>>>>>Gateway,
>>>>>HP, and every other other PC manufacture would have sued Apple and
>>>>>won!!!!!
>>>>> Now might be a good time for you to file a suit against Apple if you
>>think
>>>>>they misrepresented a product they sold you. However, I think you
>>>>>would
>>>>>find that claim would be frivolous. Computer processors through out
> history
>>>>>have quickly leapfrogged each other in processing power. For a time
> the
>>>>>were the fastest. The testing was done independently. The Mac bashing
>>>>PC
>>>>>zealots spread the lie that the tests were fixed.
>>>>>
>>>>>The G4 was a good processor, it was noted in the industry for being a
>>work
>>>>>horse. The G4 was fast in it's time, in computer years, that was a
>>>>>long
>>>>>time ago. Your still complaining about it, and calling Steve Jobs a
> lier.
>>>>> Of corse every company uses marketing spin, Jobs doesn't lie. And at
>>>least
>>>>>Apple doesn't steal the technology and call it their own. Once again
>>the
>>>>>G4 had a different architecture than the Pentium chips. The G4 had 8
>>data
>>>>>pipelines going in and out of the chip. The P4 had 2. The G4 had way
>>>more
>>>>>cache on board than the P4 did, in some cases more than 4 times as
>>>>>much.
>>>>> The G4 would typically compete toe to toe with a P4 with twice the
>>>>> clock
>>>>>speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple, AMD. IBM and Motorola, started calling Intel out on "The MHz
> Myth".
>>>>> Clock speed no longer was the only determining factor in computing
>>>>> speed,
>>>>>system and processor architecture ruled the day, thus AMD's equal to
> a
>>>P4
>>>>>XX GHz labeling on there processors. I still use my G4 1.25 MHz and
> I
>>>can
>>>>>tell you from experience, it is faster than my p4 2.4 and 2.8 prescott
>>>dual
>>>>>threaded with faster bussing.
>>>>>
>>>>>So you say that the G5 were slow. In there time, they weren't and
>>>>>they're
>>>>>still not slow! But you constantly say they are, and call Steve Jobs
>>a
>>>>lier.
>>>>> Back when the G5 came out it was #3 in the world!
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search=
>>>>> The G5 is not a slow computer. Apple uses independent testing
>>>>> laboratories.
>>>>> It just more anti Mac bashing on your part.
>>>>>
>>>>>You say that because Apple moved to Intel it proves that you were right
>>>>all
>>>>>along, not even close! When Apple Dumped the Mac cloning, motorola was
>>>>pissed.
>>>>> I know first hand, they told me. They also told me they were going
> to
>>>>get
>>>>>Apple back because they had a 90 million dollar charge off. They
>>>>>stalled
>>>>>Apple on G4 processor shipments and intentionally slowed the processor
>>>speed
>>>>>jumps.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apple turned to IBM. When Jobs announced the G5 for the first time,
> he
>>>>stated
>>>>>in the keynote that they would be at 3 GHz with in a year, and the road
>>>>map
>>>>>looked great. That was IBMs road map. IBM couldn't deliver!!!! Two
>>>years
>>>>>later Apple was at 2.7GHz, and not the newer generation G5s. The G5
> was
>>>>>too hot! Apple even turned to Delphi automotive to develop a cooling
>>system.
>>>>> They had no way of putting the G5 in a laptop. So they went with one
>>>of
>>>>>Apples contingency plans they had been working on for five years,
>>>>>Intel!
>>>>> Intel had a new generation of processors coming out, that were faster,
>>>>cooler
>>>>>and they also had a low power consuming mobile processors. It was a
> no
>>>>brainer,
>>>>>win, win deal. Intel could deliver. I think it was also a message to
>>>MS
>>>>>to keep working with Apple on MS Office development for the Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>>You have to bash the Mac every chance you get. You have taken things
>>personally.
>>>>> Your venom for Steve Jobs is unbelievable. I think you need to be
> honest
>>>>>about things. How many new Mac computers have you personally bought?
>>
>>>Your
>>>>>still not over Logic, and even though you don't use logic you rip on
> it
>>>>every
>>>>>chance you get. It's the same old PC zealot stuff, Logic sucks and
>>>>>it's
>>>>>all done. Apple's going out of business any minute now, try again!
>>>>>
>>>>>In the past, some big organizations did some studied on cost of
>>>>>operation.
>>>>> Boeing, Hues Aircraft, the US Navy and others. What they found was
> they
>>>>>needed a minimum of 6 people for every 100 PCs to maintain them. They
>>>only
>>>>>needed 0 to one person to maintain 100 Macs. The cost difference was
>>significant.
>>>>> The truth is Mac users don't really need IT guys like the PC world
>>>>> does.
>>>>> You IT guys know it and you hate that.
>>>>>
>>>>>So lets tell some truth. Your a Microsoft certified IT guy, right?
> You
>>>>>have taken quite a few Microsoft training classes, right? And you make
>>>>your
>>>>>living with Microsoft products and Microsoft certification, right? The
>>>>real
>>>>>truth is Apple computers don't need IT Guys to maintain them. Apple
> computers
>>>>>are a perceived threat to It guys, that's why you guys all have so much
>>>>venom
>>>>>for anything Apple. It's not that Apple sucks, it's that you guys all
>>>hate
>>>>>any thing Apple. Why don't you just admit it?
>>>>>
>>>>>You said or at least insinuated that Windows is a standard, but
>>>>>anything
>>>>>Mac is not. In many cases Apple has created the standard and MS just
>>copies
>>>>>it. It's all just typical Mac bashing PC zealot stuff. It's down
>>>>>right
>>>>>insulting to a Mac user to say that were drinking the Steve Jobs
>>>>>Kool-Aid.
>>>>> The insinuation is that we are all stupid people that are gullible
>>>>> enough
>>>>>to believe a bunch of lies. That we use an inferior product. Like I
>>say
>>>>>your welcome to sue Apple any time your ready to back up your BS. If
>>you
>>>>>were honest about it all, you be speaking up about MS's behavior
>>>>>instead
>>>>>of giving THEM the free pass! Dude, to rip on Apple or Steve Jobs, and
>>>>in
>>>>>effect putting down Mac users every chance you get is just plain lame.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apple doesn't suck, just admit it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>By the way, My original post had noting to do with Mac vs. PC. I
>>>>>wasn't
>>>>>trying to say this product is better than yours. I was just saying
>>>>>check
>>>>>it out, it's cool!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Ted and others,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think the reason(s) why the mention of Steve Jobs and Keynotes
>>>>>>brings
>>>>>out
>>>>>>so much venom, as you say, is because of the both the past and even
> current
>>>>>>lies and propaganda that spews from his mouth..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Statements like : Re-invent and Faster Personal Computer ever in my
> opinion
>>>>>>is just plain wrong. I know too many had working people who believed
>>His
>>>>>>(Jobs) hype. Only to be sorely disa pointed when they found out that
>>the
>>>>>>Cpu test were rigged, and their Mac did "crash" on both OS8,9 and even
>>>>OS-X(all
>>>>>>versions).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He (Jobs) usually mocks at windows user and Microsoft when he starts
>>his
>>>>>>keynote.(read: Dumb) When 90 percent of this world are using Windows
>>based
>>>>>>computers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, the venom is actually corrections to the lies Mr Jobs spews. When
>>>Mac
>>>>>>users come and reguritate Mr Jobs lies, most Windows users will not
> just
>>>>>>let them get away with such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't see anything wrong with setting the record straight.
>>>>>>P.S.
>>>>>>The Mac Pro is currently thee fastest Personal Computer on the
>>>>>>market..
>>>>>:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have never entered into any computer platform discussion pro or con
>>>>>>>in this newsgroup. I have my own preferences having worked on both,
>>but
>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>>not pushing my views on anyone else, except over beers at the local
>>pub
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>friends who are ready, willing and able. (As an aside, they are 1.
> Always
>>>>>>>vehemont, and 2. Without any actual real world experience on one of
>>the
>>>>>>>platforms in question).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have to say that I am amazed by the venom that spews whenever
>>>>>>>someone
>>>>>>>points to something Mac. It seems irrational to me. As if Steve Jobs
>>>personally
>>>>>>>injured some on this group. Why do we worry so much about things we
>>have
>>>>>>>no
>>>>>>>control over? If someone points out a new plug, or a new amp, or
>>>>>>>instrument,
>>>>>>>things usually don't get personal. The recent donnybrook over
>>>>>>>Politics,
>>>>>>Religion
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>War is regrettable but not surprising. But somebody pointing to a new
>>>>product
>>>>>>>from a computer co and getting sarcasm, disgust, resentment and
>>>>>>>mockery just makes no sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly
>>>>>>>>true.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Unlike
>>>>>>>>you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a
> regular
>>>>>>>>basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten
>>>>>>>>years.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>>>been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold,
>>>and
>>>>>>>built
>>>>>>>>many PCs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating
>>systems.
>>>>>>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has,
>>but
>>>>>>that's
>>>>>>>>where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines
>>>>are
>>>>>>>>a major PITA to deal with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is
> all
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say
>>MS/PC
>>>>>>>>stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from
>>>>>>>>Apple.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Some
>>>>>>>>recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just
>>>>>>>>announced
>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are
>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what
>>color?
>>>>>>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey,
> may
>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have
>>>mention
>>>>>>>>all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac
>>>>>>>>bashing!
>>>>>>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here.
>>>>
>>>>>It's
>>>>>>>>always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX
>>>>>>>>crashes.
>>>>>>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've
>>>been
>>>>>>>>using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash.
>
>>I
>>>>think
>>>>>>>>the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing.
>>
>>>I
>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most
>>part
>>>>>>>problem
>>>>>>>>free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally
>>speaking,
>>>>>>>>and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday
> since
>>>>>>>1994!
>>>>>>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't
> use
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and
>>>>>>>>laughable.
>>>>>>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah,
> but
>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's
> it
>>>>cost???
>>>>>>>>The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an
> example
>>>>>>>>of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love
>>>>to
>>>>>>>tinker
>>>>>>>>and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for
>>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>>folks.
>>>>>>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I
>>was
>>>>>>impressed
>>>>>>>>with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same
>>>guys
>>>>>>>>that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what,
> My
>>>>thing
>>>>>>>>can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs
>>>>>>>>windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The
>>>>>>>>old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing
>>>>>>>>contest.
>>>>>
>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or
> a
>>>draw
>>>>>>>>to arms challenge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine
>>>is
>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and
>>>>>>>>software.
>>>>>>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out
>>>completely.
>>>>>>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user
> interface
>>>>>>>>are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's
>>>a
>>>>>smaller
>>>>>>>>sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced,
>>they
>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more
>>>features
>>>>>>>>and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with
>>>zoom
>>>>>>>>in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice
>>>etc.
>>>>>>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before
>>you
>>>>>>rip
>>>>>>>>on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products.
>>>
>>>>It's
>>>>>>>>always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand,
>>>>>>>>especially
>>>>>>>>when your going to bash something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>>>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and
>>discover
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>what we all see.
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to
>>>>>>>>>>>boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700
> wx
>>>>syncs
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy
>>bettter
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user
>>>they
>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit
>>>>of
>>>>>>>third
>>>>>>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the
>>>>>>>>>> gate.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Only
>>>>>>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say
> for
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the
>>>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing
> being
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they
>>>>have
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> copied
>>>>>>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with
>>>the
>>>>>>>aqua
>>>>>>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's
>>>>>>>>>> blatant
>>>>>rip
>>>>>>>>off
>>>>>>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been
> at
>>>>it
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN
>>>(Lol!!)
>>>>>>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave
>>>>>>>>>>>>out?).
>>>>>>>The
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen
>>>>>>>>>>>>interface,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr
>>>Jobs
>>>>>>>>stop
>>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising
>>>>>>>>>>>>because
>>>>>we're
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'll
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version
>>is
>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in
> the
>>>>>UI,
>>>>>>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily
>>>a
>>>>>koolaid
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive
> features
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>earned
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
>>>>features
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold
> my
>>>>final
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone,
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clumsy
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and
>>that
>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick.
>>>That
>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen
>>and
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plus
>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
>>>>digital
>>>>>>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I
> use
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>Psion
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool
>>>>>little
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's
>>>>a
>>>>>>lot
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-in-one
>>>>>if
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that
> now.
>>>>>>None
>>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky
>>phones
>>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter
>>of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their
>>>>needs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr
> Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows)
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and
>>>all
>>>>>>>MS
>>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detail,
>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface
>>>are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 700wx..
>>>>>It
>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pocket..
>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod?
>>>>Is
>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78286 is a reply to message #78283] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 20:18 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>Vegas is a superb video app. Under-rated for sure. Best workflow of most
>any NLE, and I've
>used most apps on the market, including Avid, Edius, FCP, etc. FCP is
>second on
>my list though - some things I like better in FCP, others in Vegas. Not
>much I like
>better in Avid though... Most editors/directors I do post for use FCP, but
>there is a
>strong and growing Vegas community.
>
>Admit it James, you really are a Mac zealot or you wouldn't think twice
>about
>anyone posting that a PC might be faster, much less reply to try and prove
>them wrong. :-)
I think you got it backwards. Go back and look at all the post where LaMont
has ripped on the G4 and G5 for being slow. This has been going on for a
couple of years now. The Kool-Aid stuff, etc. is insulting and unnecessary.
But then again, you already know this.
>
>Hey, use what floats your boat...er..bad analogy, both Macs and PCs will
>sink if
>placed in any body of water...
>
>Dedric
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45a822df$1@linux...
>>
>> James, once again, you went to one of those rigged Apple Video demos.
>>
>> I build machines for studios who ar into video editing as well. And these
>> studios are Mac based Pro Tools HD /Ala Final cut pro. However, they
saw
>> a Dual AMD XP(At the time) running Vega Video Pro, and they decided to
go
>> with the Dual Opteron running Vegas Pro / with the Matrox RT card.
>> Most mac users find it hard to believe that aWindows based machine can
out
>> gun them on video editing, but it's true.It just depend onthe
>> Application..
>> For Mac, Adobe premier and final cut pro have been Altivec
>> optimized..That's
>> great. However, on the windows side, Sony's Vegas Video as well as Avid
>> Xpress,
>> can run, render like nobodys business. AND , they could save a few bucks
>> in the process.
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Spoken like a true Mac bashing, Apple bashing, PC Zealot! The Truth is
>> it
>>>was #3 in the world! It's probably still there. There just more dumb
mac
>>>users that drank the Steve jobs Kool-Aid and bought in to the G5 hype,
>>>right
>>>LaMont?
>>>
>>>Another over exaggeration by you. They were Apples first customer to
>>>receive
>>>the G5s. The Xserve G5 wasn't available until the following year. Plus,
>>>if they ever wanted to dismantle it to upgrade the systems, the Towers
>>>would
>>>have faster and better resale value. They just weren't available at the
>>>time of purchase.
>>>
>>>I saw a G5 demo here in town, where they were showing what the G5 could
>> do,
>>>to a group of Professional video editors. The demonstrator open 30
>>>different
>>>Video windows and started playing all the videos, and asked the PC guys
>> if
>>>there systems could do that, they all shook their heads no. Then he
>>>started
>>>rendering all the video at the same time, he again asked them if their
PC
>>>could do that, the all gave a resounding no! He continued doing multiple
>>>real time renders and showed many other things to show the G5s power.
No
>>>body left without being vary impressed with it's power and capabilities.
>>>
>>>
>>>Our experiences are quite a bit different. Again, Apple couldn't have
>>>made
>>>the claims at the time if it wasn't true.
>>>
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Just Stop!!! That school IT head needs to be fired!! As with most
>>>>academic
>>>>institutions IT personal.
>>>>
>>>>This PHD obviously nuts. Just 2 weeks after that implementation(In Pure
>>>Apple
>>>>form), the come out with the G5 X-servers. Could saved that university
>> of
>>>>ton of space. Also, to say that those G5 could compete with IBS
>>>>mainframes
>>>>, HP unix mid frams is insane at best..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Here's the correct link on the G5:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>LaMont I love ya man, but I gotta call you out on this one. The G4
you
>>>>>work
>>>>>>on is a 867Mhz right? That machine is from 2001! That's a six year
>> old
>>>>>>machine your talking about being slow!!!! Check it out at
>>>>>>www.apple-history.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You conveniently remember things the way you want to. When Apple
>>>>>>announced
>>>>>>that they had the fastest personal computer on the planet, they did.
>>
>>>That
>>>>>>was the truth, that's the fact, if it wasn't, Intel, AMD, Dell,
>>>>>>Gateway,
>>>>>>HP, and every other other PC manufacture would have sued Apple and
>>>>>>won!!!!!
>>>>>> Now might be a good time for you to file a suit against Apple if you
>>>think
>>>>>>they misrepresented a product they sold you. However, I think you
>>>>>>would
>>>>>>find that claim would be frivolous. Computer processors through out
>> history
>>>>>>have quickly leapfrogged each other in processing power. For a time
>> the
>>>>>>were the fastest. The testing was done independently. The Mac bashing
>>>>>PC
>>>>>>zealots spread the lie that the tests were fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The G4 was a good processor, it was noted in the industry for being
a
>>>work
>>>>>>horse. The G4 was fast in it's time, in computer years, that was a
>>>>>>long
>>>>>>time ago. Your still complaining about it, and calling Steve Jobs
a
>> lier.
>>>>>> Of corse every company uses marketing spin, Jobs doesn't lie. And
at
>>>>least
>>>>>>Apple doesn't steal the technology and call it their own. Once again
>>>the
>>>>>>G4 had a different architecture than the Pentium chips. The G4 had
8
>>>data
>>>>>>pipelines going in and out of the chip. The P4 had 2. The G4 had
way
>>>>more
>>>>>>cache on board than the P4 did, in some cases more than 4 times as
>>>>>>much.
>>>>>> The G4 would typically compete toe to toe with a P4 with twice the
>>>>>> clock
>>>>>>speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple, AMD. IBM and Motorola, started calling Intel out on "The MHz
>> Myth".
>>>>>> Clock speed no longer was the only determining factor in computing
>>>>>> speed,
>>>>>>system and processor architecture ruled the day, thus AMD's equal to
>> a
>>>>P4
>>>>>>XX GHz labeling on there processors. I still use my G4 1.25 MHz and
>> I
>>>>can
>>>>>>tell you from experience, it is faster than my p4 2.4 and 2.8 prescott
>>>>dual
>>>>>>threaded with faster bussing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So you say that the G5 were slow. In there time, they weren't and
>>>>>>they're
>>>>>>still not slow! But you constantly say they are, and call Steve Jobs
>>>a
>>>>>lier.
>>>>>> Back when the G5 came out it was #3 in the world!
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search=
>>>>>> The G5 is not a slow computer. Apple uses independent testing
>>>>>> laboratories.
>>>>>> It just more anti Mac bashing on your part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You say that because Apple moved to Intel it proves that you were right
>>>>>all
>>>>>>along, not even close! When Apple Dumped the Mac cloning, motorola
was
>>>>>pissed.
>>>>>> I know first hand, they told me. They also told me they were going
>> to
>>>>>get
>>>>>>Apple back because they had a 90 million dollar charge off. They
>>>>>>stalled
>>>>>>Apple on G4 processor shipments and intentionally slowed the processor
>>>>speed
>>>>>>jumps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Apple turned to IBM. When Jobs announced the G5 for the first time,
>> he
>>>>>stated
>>>>>>in the keynote that they would be at 3 GHz with in a year, and the
road
>>>>>map
>>>>>>looked great. That was IBMs road map. IBM couldn't deliver!!!!
Two
>>>>years
>>>>>>later Apple was at 2.7GHz, and not the newer generation G5s. The G5
>> was
>>>>>>too hot! Apple even turned to Delphi automotive to develop a cooling
>>>system.
>>>>>> They had no way of putting the G5 in a laptop. So they went with
one
>>>>of
>>>>>>Apples contingency plans they had been working on for five years,
>>>>>>Intel!
>>>>>> Intel had a new generation of processors coming out, that were faster,
>>>>>cooler
>>>>>>and they also had a low power consuming mobile processors. It was
a
>> no
>>>>>brainer,
>>>>>>win, win deal. Intel could deliver. I think it was also a message
to
>>>>MS
>>>>>>to keep working with Apple on MS Office development for the Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You have to bash the Mac every chance you get. You have taken things
>>>personally.
>>>>>> Your venom for Steve Jobs is unbelievable. I think you need to be
>> honest
>>>>>>about things. How many new Mac computers have you personally bought?
>>>
>>>>Your
>>>>>>still not over Logic, and even though you don't use logic you rip on
>> it
>>>>>every
>>>>>>chance you get. It's the same old PC zealot stuff, Logic sucks and
>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>all done. Apple's going out of business any minute now, try again!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In the past, some big organizations did some studied on cost of
>>>>>>operation.
>>>>>> Boeing, Hues Aircraft, the US Navy and others. What they found was
>> they
>>>>>>needed a minimum of 6 people for every 100 PCs to maintain them. They
>>>>only
>>>>>>needed 0 to one person to maintain 100 Macs. The cost difference was
>>>significant.
>>>>>> The truth is Mac users don't really need IT guys like the PC world
>>>>>> does.
>>>>>> You IT guys know it and you hate that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So lets tell some truth. Your a Microsoft certified IT guy, right?
>> You
>>>>>>have taken quite a few Microsoft training classes, right? And you
make
>>>>>your
>>>>>>living with Microsoft products and Microsoft certification, right?
The
>>>>>real
>>>>>>truth is Apple computers don't need IT Guys to maintain them. Apple
>> computers
>>>>>>are a perceived threat to It guys, that's why you guys all have so
much
>>>>>venom
>>>>>>for anything Apple. It's not that Apple sucks, it's that you guys
all
>>>>hate
>>>>>>any thing Apple. Why don't you just admit it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said or at least insinuated that Windows is a standard, but
>>>>>>anything
>>>>>>Mac is not. In many cases Apple has created the standard and MS just
>>>copies
>>>>>>it. It's all just typical Mac bashing PC zealot stuff. It's down
>>>>>>right
>>>>>>insulting to a Mac user to say that were drinking the Steve Jobs
>>>>>>Kool-Aid.
>>>>>> The insinuation is that we are all stupid people that are gullible
>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>to believe a bunch of lies. That we use an inferior product. Like
I
>>>say
>>>>>>your welcome to sue Apple any time your ready to back up your BS.
If
>>>you
>>>>>>were honest about it all, you be speaking up about MS's behavior
>>>>>>instead
>>>>>>of giving THEM the free pass! Dude, to rip on Apple or Steve Jobs,
and
>>>>>in
>>>>>>effect putting down Mac users every chance you get is just plain lame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Apple doesn't suck, just admit it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>By the way, My original post had noting to do with Mac vs. PC. I
>>>>>>wasn't
>>>>>>trying to say this product is better than yours. I was just saying
>>>>>>check
>>>>>>it out, it's cool!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Ted and others,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think the reason(s) why the mention of Steve Jobs and Keynotes
>>>>>>>brings
>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>so much venom, as you say, is because of the both the past and even
>> current
>>>>>>>lies and propaganda that spews from his mouth..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Statements like : Re-invent and Faster Personal Computer ever in my
>> opinion
>>>>>>>is just plain wrong. I know too many had working people who believed
>>>His
>>>>>>>(Jobs) hype. Only to be sorely disa pointed when they found out that
>>>the
>>>>>>>Cpu test were rigged, and their Mac did "crash" on both OS8,9 and
even
>>>>>OS-X(all
>>>>>>>versions).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He (Jobs) usually mocks at windows user and Microsoft when he starts
>>>his
>>>>>>>keynote.(read: Dumb) When 90 percent of this world are using Windows
>>>based
>>>>>>>computers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, the venom is actually corrections to the lies Mr Jobs spews. When
>>>>Mac
>>>>>>>users come and reguritate Mr Jobs lies, most Windows users will not
>> just
>>>>>>>let them get away with such.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't see anything wrong with setting the record straight.
>>>>>>>P.S.
>>>>>>>The Mac Pro is currently thee fastest Personal Computer on the
>>>>>>>market..
>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have never entered into any computer platform discussion pro or
con
>>>>>>>>in this newsgroup. I have my own preferences having worked on both,
>>>but
>>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>>>not pushing my views on anyone else, except over beers at the local
>>>pub
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>friends who are ready, willing and able. (As an aside, they are 1.
>> Always
>>>>>>>>vehemont, and 2. Without any actual real world experience on one
of
>>>the
>>>>>>>>platforms in question).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have to say that I am amazed by the venom that spews whenever
>>>>>>>>someone
>>>>>>>>points to something Mac. It seems irrational to me. As if Steve Jobs
>>>>personally
>>>>>>>>injured some on this group. Why do we worry so much about things
we
>>>have
>>>>>>>>no
>>>>>>>>control over? If someone points out a new plug, or a new amp, or
>>>>>>>>instrument,
>>>>>>>>things usually don't get personal. The recent donnybrook over
>>>>>>>>Politics,
>>>>>>>Religion
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>War is regrettable but not surprising. But somebody pointing to a
new
>>>>>product
>>>>>>>>from a computer co and getting sarcasm, disgust, resentment and
>>>>>>>>mockery just makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ted
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly
>>>>>>>>>true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Unlike
>>>>>>>>>you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on
a
>> regular
>>>>>>>>>basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten
>>>>>>>>>years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>>>>been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold,
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>built
>>>>>>>>>many PCs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating
>>>systems.
>>>>>>>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has,
>>>but
>>>>>>>that's
>>>>>>>>>where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines
>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>a major PITA to deal with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is
>> all
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say
>>>MS/PC
>>>>>>>>>stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from
>>>>>>>>>Apple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Some
>>>>>>>>>recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just
>>>>>>>>>announced
>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are
>>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what
>>>color?
>>>>>>>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey,
>> may
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have
>>>>mention
>>>>>>>>>all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac
>>>>>>>>>bashing!
>>>>>>>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here.
>>>>>
>>>>>>It's
>>>>>>>>>always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX
>>>>>>>>>crashes.
>>>>>>>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've
>>>>been
>>>>>>>>>using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash.
>>
>>>I
>>>>>think
>>>>>>>>>the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing.
>>>
>>>>I
>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most
>>>part
>>>>>>>>problem
>>>>>>>>>free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally
>>>speaking,
>>>>>>>>>and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday
>> since
>>>>>>>>1994!
>>>>>>>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't
>> use
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and
>>>>>>>>>laughable.
>>>>>>>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah,
>> but
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's
>> it
>>>>>cost???
>>>>>>>>>The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at
all
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an
>> example
>>>>>>>>>of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you
love
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>tinker
>>>>>>>>>and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for
>>>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>>>folks.
>>>>>>>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out.
I
>>>was
>>>>>>>impressed
>>>>>>>>>with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same
>>>>guys
>>>>>>>>>that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what,
>> My
>>>>>thing
>>>>>>>>>can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs
>>>>>>>>>windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The
>>>>>>>>>old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing
>>>>>>>>>contest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>>windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or
>> a
>>>>draw
>>>>>>>>>to arms challenge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine
>>>>is
>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>>and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and
>>>>>>>>>software.
>>>>>>>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it
out
>>>>completely.
>>>>>>>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user
>> interface
>>>>>>>>>are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's
>>>>a
>>>>>>smaller
>>>>>>>>>sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced,
>>>they
>>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>>create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more
>>>>features
>>>>>>>>>and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with
>>>>zoom
>>>>>>>>>in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice
>>>>etc.
>>>>>>>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before
>>>you
>>>>>>>rip
>>>>>>>>>on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products.
>>>>
>>>>>It's
>>>>>>>>>always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand,
>>>>>>>>>especially
>>>>>>>>>when your going to bash something.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>>>>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and
>>>discover
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>what we all see.
>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to
>>>>>>>>>>>>boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700
>> wx
>>>>>syncs
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy
>>>bettter
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user
>>>>they
>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a
bit
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>third
>>>>>>>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the
>>>>>>>>>>> gate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Only
>>>>>>>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say
>> for
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the
>>>>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>>>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing
>> being
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that
they
>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> copied
>>>>>>>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>aqua
>>>>>>>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's
>>>>>>>>>>> blatant
>>>>>>rip
>>>>>>>>>off
>>>>>>>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been
>> at
>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN
>>>>(Lol!!)
>>>>>>>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>out?).
>>>>>>>>The
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>interface,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please
Mr
>>>>Jobs
>>>>>>>>>stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising
>>>>>>>>>>>>>because
>>>>>>we're
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'll
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version
>>>is
>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in
>> the
>>>>>>UI,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily
>>>>a
>>>>>>koolaid
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive
>> features
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>earned
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need
the
>>>>>features
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold
>> my
>>>>>final
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone,
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clumsy
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and
>>>that
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick.
>>>>That
>>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen
>>>and
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plus
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
>>>>>digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on,
I
>> use
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>Psion
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool
>>>>>>little
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>lot
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-in-one
>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that
>> now.
>>>>>>>None
>>>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky
>>>phones
>>>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter
>>>of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their
>>>>>needs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr
>> Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows)
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC
and
>>>>all
>>>>>>>>MS
>>>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detail,
>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface
>>>>are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 700wx..
>>>>>>It
>>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pocket..
>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod?
>>>>>Is
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78287 is a reply to message #78286] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 19:52 |
Dedric Terry
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On 1/12/07 9:18 PM, in article 45a84f74$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think you got it backwards. Go back and look at all the post where LaMont
> has ripped on the G4 and G5 for being slow. This has been going on for a
> couple of years now. The Kool-Aid stuff, etc. is insulting and unnecessary.
> But then again, you already know this.
>
>
Nah, no need, Lamont's right, the G4s and G5s were slower than comparably
priced PCs in cpu power at least. Only the new Macintels have comparable cpu
and buss speeds, since they are the same hardware as a stock core 2 duo PC,
just a different case and OS.
I was just giving you a hard time for not conceding that one. :-)
I still might not go with a Mac for more practical application related
reasons, but they compete on more level ground now, both speed and price.
Regards,
Dedric
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78292 is a reply to message #78287] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 22:51 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>On 1/12/07 9:18 PM, in article 45a84f74$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think you got it backwards. Go back and look at all the post where
LaMont
>> has ripped on the G4 and G5 for being slow. This has been going on for
a
>> couple of years now. The Kool-Aid stuff, etc. is insulting and unnecessary.
>> But then again, you already know this.
>>
>>
>Nah, no need, Lamont's right, the G4s and G5s were slower than comparably
>priced PCs in cpu power at least. Only the new Macintels have comparable
cpu
>and buss speeds, since they are the same hardware as a stock core 2 duo
PC,
>just a different case and OS.
>
>I was just giving you a hard time for not conceding that one. :-)
>
>I still might not go with a Mac for more practical application related
>reasons, but they compete on more level ground now, both speed and price.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
That's a pretty big claim!
Since LaMont is right, maybe you guys should file a suit against Apple, IBM
and Jeff GoldBlum; ) Apple has so many frivolous law suits against them
right now, maybe they would settle quick, or maybe their attorneys would
squash you like a bug. And of course, I'm just kidding with you.
Power is no longer an issue or debate, thank god! Now it's all a matter
of OS, applications, diversity, capabilities, and your needs. Good luck with
your system purchase.
James
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78294 is a reply to message #78292] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 22:56 |
excelav
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Sorry, here is what I meant to post:
Hey remember this commercial?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsln8p8c8y0&mode=related& amp;search
That's a pretty big claim!
Since LaMont is right, maybe you guys should file a suit against Apple, IBM
and Jeff GoldBlum; ) Apple has so many frivolous law suits against them
right now, maybe they would settle quick, or maybe their attorneys would
squash you like a bug. And of course, I'm just kidding with you.
Power is no longer an issue or debate, thank god! Now it's all a matter
of OS, applications, diversity, capabilities, and your needs. Good luck with
your system purchase.
James
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>On 1/12/07 9:18 PM, in article 45a84f74$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think you got it backwards. Go back and look at all the post where
>LaMont
>>> has ripped on the G4 and G5 for being slow. This has been going on for
>a
>>> couple of years now. The Kool-Aid stuff, etc. is insulting and unnecessary.
>>> But then again, you already know this.
>>>
>>>
>>Nah, no need, Lamont's right, the G4s and G5s were slower than comparably
>>priced PCs in cpu power at least. Only the new Macintels have comparable
>cpu
>>and buss speeds, since they are the same hardware as a stock core 2 duo
>PC,
>>just a different case and OS.
>>
>>I was just giving you a hard time for not conceding that one. :-)
>>
>>I still might not go with a Mac for more practical application related
>>reasons, but they compete on more level ground now, both speed and price.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>
>That's a pretty big claim!
>
>Since LaMont is right, maybe you guys should file a suit against Apple,
IBM
>and Jeff GoldBlum; ) Apple has so many frivolous law suits against them
>right now, maybe they would settle quick, or maybe their attorneys would
>squash you like a bug. And of course, I'm just kidding with you.
>
>Power is no longer an issue or debate, thank god! Now it's all a matter
>of OS, applications, diversity, capabilities, and your needs. Good luck
with
>your system purchase.
>
>James
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78296 is a reply to message #78294] |
Fri, 12 January 2007 22:23 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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man, I found this next to it.. quite entertaining.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl7xQ8i3fc0&NR
AA
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45a87474@linux...
>
> Sorry, here is what I meant to post:
>
> Hey remember this commercial?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsln8p8c8y0&mode=related& amp;search
>
> That's a pretty big claim!
>
> Since LaMont is right, maybe you guys should file a suit against Apple,
> IBM
> and Jeff GoldBlum; ) Apple has so many frivolous law suits against them
> right now, maybe they would settle quick, or maybe their attorneys would
> squash you like a bug. And of course, I'm just kidding with you.
>
> Power is no longer an issue or debate, thank god! Now it's all a matter
> of OS, applications, diversity, capabilities, and your needs. Good luck
> with
> your system purchase.
>
> James
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>On 1/12/07 9:18 PM, in article 45a84f74$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think you got it backwards. Go back and look at all the post where
>>LaMont
>>>> has ripped on the G4 and G5 for being slow. This has been going on for
>>a
>>>> couple of years now. The Kool-Aid stuff, etc. is insulting and
>>>> unnecessary.
>>>> But then again, you already know this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Nah, no need, Lamont's right, the G4s and G5s were slower than comparably
>>>priced PCs in cpu power at least. Only the new Macintels have comparable
>>cpu
>>>and buss speeds, since they are the same hardware as a stock core 2 duo
>>PC,
>>>just a different case and OS.
>>>
>>>I was just giving you a hard time for not conceding that one. :-)
>>>
>>>I still might not go with a Mac for more practical application related
>>>reasons, but they compete on more level ground now, both speed and price.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>
>>That's a pretty big claim!
>>
>>Since LaMont is right, maybe you guys should file a suit against Apple,
> IBM
>>and Jeff GoldBlum; ) Apple has so many frivolous law suits against them
>>right now, maybe they would settle quick, or maybe their attorneys would
>>squash you like a bug. And of course, I'm just kidding with you.
>>
>>Power is no longer an issue or debate, thank god! Now it's all a matter
>>of OS, applications, diversity, capabilities, and your needs. Good luck
> with
>>your system purchase.
>>
>>James
>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78297 is a reply to message #78296] |
Sat, 13 January 2007 02:30 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>man, I found this next to it.. quite entertaining.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl7xQ8i3fc0&NR
>
>AA
This ones good too....Jobs really starts to take it over the top with the
whole spin thing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIClAanU7Os&NR
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45a87474@linux...
>>
>> Sorry, here is what I meant to post:
>>
>> Hey remember this commercial?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsln8p8c8y0&mode=related& amp;search
>>
>> That's a pretty big claim!
>>
>> Since LaMont is right, maybe you guys should file a suit against Apple,
>> IBM
>> and Jeff GoldBlum; ) Apple has so many frivolous law suits against them
>> right now, maybe they would settle quick, or maybe their attorneys would
>> squash you like a bug. And of course, I'm just kidding with you.
>>
>> Power is no longer an issue or debate, thank god! Now it's all a matter
>> of OS, applications, diversity, capabilities, and your needs. Good luck
>> with
>> your system purchase.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>On 1/12/07 9:18 PM, in article 45a84f74$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you got it backwards. Go back and look at all the post where
>>>LaMont
>>>>> has ripped on the G4 and G5 for being slow. This has been going on
for
>>>a
>>>>> couple of years now. The Kool-Aid stuff, etc. is insulting and
>>>>> unnecessary.
>>>>> But then again, you already know this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Nah, no need, Lamont's right, the G4s and G5s were slower than comparably
>>>>priced PCs in cpu power at least. Only the new Macintels have comparable
>>>cpu
>>>>and buss speeds, since they are the same hardware as a stock core 2 duo
>>>PC,
>>>>just a different case and OS.
>>>>
>>>>I was just giving you a hard time for not conceding that one. :-)
>>>>
>>>>I still might not go with a Mac for more practical application related
>>>>reasons, but they compete on more level ground now, both speed and price.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>
>>>That's a pretty big claim!
>>>
>>>Since LaMont is right, maybe you guys should file a suit against Apple,
>> IBM
>>>and Jeff GoldBlum; ) Apple has so many frivolous law suits against them
>>>right now, maybe they would settle quick, or maybe their attorneys would
>>>squash you like a bug. And of course, I'm just kidding with you.
>>>
>>>Power is no longer an issue or debate, thank god! Now it's all a matter
>>>of OS, applications, diversity, capabilities, and your needs. Good luck
>> with
>>>your system purchase.
>>>
>>>James
>>
>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78300 is a reply to message #78286] |
Sat, 13 January 2007 08:53 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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james the only person who's ever been insulting was Steve Jobs and his WAYYYY
over the top claims (read: Lies) that he spews at his Keynote address...
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>Vegas is a superb video app. Under-rated for sure. Best workflow of most
>
>>any NLE, and I've
>>used most apps on the market, including Avid, Edius, FCP, etc. FCP is
>>second on
>>my list though - some things I like better in FCP, others in Vegas. Not
>
>>much I like
>>better in Avid though... Most editors/directors I do post for use FCP,
but
>
>>there is a
>>strong and growing Vegas community.
>>
>>Admit it James, you really are a Mac zealot or you wouldn't think twice
>
>>about
>>anyone posting that a PC might be faster, much less reply to try and prove
>
>>them wrong. :-)
>
>I think you got it backwards. Go back and look at all the post where LaMont
>has ripped on the G4 and G5 for being slow. This has been going on for
a
>couple of years now. The Kool-Aid stuff, etc. is insulting and unnecessary.
> But then again, you already know this.
>
>
>>
>>Hey, use what floats your boat...er..bad analogy, both Macs and PCs will
>
>>sink if
>>placed in any body of water...
>>
>>Dedric
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45a822df$1@linux...
>>>
>>> James, once again, you went to one of those rigged Apple Video demos.
>>>
>>> I build machines for studios who ar into video editing as well. And these
>>> studios are Mac based Pro Tools HD /Ala Final cut pro. However, they
>saw
>>> a Dual AMD XP(At the time) running Vega Video Pro, and they decided to
>go
>>> with the Dual Opteron running Vegas Pro / with the Matrox RT card.
>>> Most mac users find it hard to believe that aWindows based machine can
>out
>>> gun them on video editing, but it's true.It just depend onthe
>>> Application..
>>> For Mac, Adobe premier and final cut pro have been Altivec
>>> optimized..That's
>>> great. However, on the windows side, Sony's Vegas Video as well as Avid
>
>>> Xpress,
>>> can run, render like nobodys business. AND , they could save a few bucks
>>> in the process.
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Spoken like a true Mac bashing, Apple bashing, PC Zealot! The Truth
is
>>> it
>>>>was #3 in the world! It's probably still there. There just more dumb
>mac
>>>>users that drank the Steve jobs Kool-Aid and bought in to the G5 hype,
>
>>>>right
>>>>LaMont?
>>>>
>>>>Another over exaggeration by you. They were Apples first customer to
>
>>>>receive
>>>>the G5s. The Xserve G5 wasn't available until the following year. Plus,
>>>>if they ever wanted to dismantle it to upgrade the systems, the Towers
>
>>>>would
>>>>have faster and better resale value. They just weren't available at
the
>>>>time of purchase.
>>>>
>>>>I saw a G5 demo here in town, where they were showing what the G5 could
>>> do,
>>>>to a group of Professional video editors. The demonstrator open 30
>>>>different
>>>>Video windows and started playing all the videos, and asked the PC guys
>>> if
>>>>there systems could do that, they all shook their heads no. Then he
>>>>started
>>>>rendering all the video at the same time, he again asked them if their
>PC
>>>>could do that, the all gave a resounding no! He continued doing multiple
>>>>real time renders and showed many other things to show the G5s power.
> No
>>>>body left without being vary impressed with it's power and capabilities.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Our experiences are quite a bit different. Again, Apple couldn't have
>
>>>>made
>>>>the claims at the time if it wasn't true.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Just Stop!!! That school IT head needs to be fired!! As with most
>>>>>academic
>>>>>institutions IT personal.
>>>>>
>>>>>This PHD obviously nuts. Just 2 weeks after that implementation(In Pure
>>>>Apple
>>>>>form), the come out with the G5 X-servers. Could saved that university
>>> of
>>>>>ton of space. Also, to say that those G5 could compete with IBS
>>>>>mainframes
>>>>>, HP unix mid frams is insane at best..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Here's the correct link on the G5:
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>LaMont I love ya man, but I gotta call you out on this one. The G4
>you
>>>>>>work
>>>>>>>on is a 867Mhz right? That machine is from 2001! That's a six year
>>> old
>>>>>>>machine your talking about being slow!!!! Check it out at
>>>>>>>www.apple-history.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You conveniently remember things the way you want to. When Apple
>>>>>>>announced
>>>>>>>that they had the fastest personal computer on the planet, they did.
>>>
>>>>That
>>>>>>>was the truth, that's the fact, if it wasn't, Intel, AMD, Dell,
>>>>>>>Gateway,
>>>>>>>HP, and every other other PC manufacture would have sued Apple and
>
>>>>>>>won!!!!!
>>>>>>> Now might be a good time for you to file a suit against Apple if
you
>>>>think
>>>>>>>they misrepresented a product they sold you. However, I think you
>
>>>>>>>would
>>>>>>>find that claim would be frivolous. Computer processors through out
>>> history
>>>>>>>have quickly leapfrogged each other in processing power. For a time
>>> the
>>>>>>>were the fastest. The testing was done independently. The Mac bashing
>>>>>>PC
>>>>>>>zealots spread the lie that the tests were fixed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The G4 was a good processor, it was noted in the industry for being
>a
>>>>work
>>>>>>>horse. The G4 was fast in it's time, in computer years, that was
a
>
>>>>>>>long
>>>>>>>time ago. Your still complaining about it, and calling Steve Jobs
>a
>>> lier.
>>>>>>> Of corse every company uses marketing spin, Jobs doesn't lie. And
>at
>>>>>least
>>>>>>>Apple doesn't steal the technology and call it their own. Once again
>>>>the
>>>>>>>G4 had a different architecture than the Pentium chips. The G4 had
>8
>>>>data
>>>>>>>pipelines going in and out of the chip. The P4 had 2. The G4 had
>way
>>>>>more
>>>>>>>cache on board than the P4 did, in some cases more than 4 times as
>
>>>>>>>much.
>>>>>>> The G4 would typically compete toe to toe with a P4 with twice the
>
>>>>>>> clock
>>>>>>>speed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple, AMD. IBM and Motorola, started calling Intel out on "The MHz
>>> Myth".
>>>>>>> Clock speed no longer was the only determining factor in computing
>
>>>>>>> speed,
>>>>>>>system and processor architecture ruled the day, thus AMD's equal
to
>>> a
>>>>>P4
>>>>>>>XX GHz labeling on there processors. I still use my G4 1.25 MHz and
>>> I
>>>>>can
>>>>>>>tell you from experience, it is faster than my p4 2.4 and 2.8 prescott
>>>>>dual
>>>>>>>threaded with faster bussing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So you say that the G5 were slow. In there time, they weren't and
>
>>>>>>>they're
>>>>>>>still not slow! But you constantly say they are, and call Steve Jobs
>>>>a
>>>>>>lier.
>>>>>>> Back when the G5 came out it was #3 in the world!
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search=
>>>>>>> The G5 is not a slow computer. Apple uses independent testing
>>>>>>> laboratories.
>>>>>>> It just more anti Mac bashing on your part.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You say that because Apple moved to Intel it proves that you were
right
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>along, not even close! When Apple Dumped the Mac cloning, motorola
>was
>>>>>>pissed.
>>>>>>> I know first hand, they told me. They also told me they were going
>>> to
>>>>>>get
>>>>>>>Apple back because they had a 90 million dollar charge off. They
>>>>>>>stalled
>>>>>>>Apple on G4 processor shipments and intentionally slowed the processor
>>>>>speed
>>>>>>>jumps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apple turned to IBM. When Jobs announced the G5 for the first time,
>>> he
>>>>>>stated
>>>>>>>in the keynote that they would be at 3 GHz with in a year, and the
>road
>>>>>>map
>>>>>>>looked great. That was IBMs road map. IBM couldn't deliver!!!!
>Two
>>>>>years
>>>>>>>later Apple was at 2.7GHz, and not the newer generation G5s. The
G5
>>> was
>>>>>>>too hot! Apple even turned to Delphi automotive to develop a cooling
>>>>system.
>>>>>>> They had no way of putting the G5 in a laptop. So they went with
>one
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>Apples contingency plans they had been working on for five years,
>>>>>>>Intel!
>>>>>>> Intel had a new generation of processors coming out, that were faster,
>>>>>>cooler
>>>>>>>and they also had a low power consuming mobile processors. It was
>a
>>> no
>>>>>>brainer,
>>>>>>>win, win deal. Intel could deliver. I think it was also a message
>to
>>>>>MS
>>>>>>>to keep working with Apple on MS Office development for the Mac.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You have to bash the Mac every chance you get. You have taken things
>>>>personally.
>>>>>>> Your venom for Steve Jobs is unbelievable. I think you need to
be
>>> honest
>>>>>>>about things. How many new Mac computers have you personally bought?
>>>>
>>>>>Your
>>>>>>>still not over Logic, and even though you don't use logic you rip
on
>>> it
>>>>>>every
>>>>>>>chance you get. It's the same old PC zealot stuff, Logic sucks and
>
>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>all done. Apple's going out of business any minute now, try again!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In the past, some big organizations did some studied on cost of
>>>>>>>operation.
>>>>>>> Boeing, Hues Aircraft, the US Navy and others. What they found was
>>> they
>>>>>>>needed a minimum of 6 people for every 100 PCs to maintain them.
They
>>>>>only
>>>>>>>needed 0 to one person to maintain 100 Macs. The cost difference
was
>>>>significant.
>>>>>>> The truth is Mac users don't really need IT guys like the PC world
>
>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>> You IT guys know it and you hate that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So lets tell some truth. Your a Microsoft certified IT guy, right?
>>> You
>>>>>>>have taken quite a few Microsoft training classes, right? And you
>make
>>>>>>your
>>>>>>>living with Microsoft products and Microsoft certification, right?
> The
>>>>>>real
>>>>>>>truth is Apple computers don't need IT Guys to maintain them. Apple
>>> computers
>>>>>>>are a perceived threat to It guys, that's why you guys all have so
>much
>>>>>>venom
>>>>>>>for anything Apple. It's not that Apple sucks, it's that you guys
>all
>>>>>hate
>>>>>>>any thing Apple. Why don't you just admit it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said or at least insinuated that Windows is a standard, but
>>>>>>>anything
>>>>>>>Mac is not. In many cases Apple has created the standard and MS just
>>>>copies
>>>>>>>it. It's all just typical Mac bashing PC zealot stuff. It's down
>
>>>>>>>right
>>>>>>>insulting to a Mac user to say that were drinking the Steve Jobs
>>>>>>>Kool-Aid.
>>>>>>> The insinuation is that we are all stupid people that are gullible
>
>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>to believe a bunch of lies. That we use an inferior product. Like
>I
>>>>say
>>>>>>>your welcome to sue Apple any time your ready to back up your BS.
>If
>>>>you
>>>>>>>were honest about it all, you be speaking up about MS's behavior
>>>>>>>instead
>>>>>>>of giving THEM the free pass! Dude, to rip on Apple or Steve Jobs,
>and
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>effect putting down Mac users every chance you get is just plain lame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apple doesn't suck, just admit it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>By the way, My original post had noting to do with Mac vs. PC. I
>>>>>>>wasn't
>>>>>>>trying to say this product is better than yours. I was just saying
>
>>>>>>>check
>>>>>>>it out, it's cool!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Ted and others,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I think the reason(s) why the mention of Steve Jobs and Keynotes
>>>>>>>>brings
>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>so much venom, as you say, is because of the both the past and even
>>> current
>>>>>>>>lies and propaganda that spews from his mouth..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Statements like : Re-invent and Faster Personal Computer ever in
my
>>> opinion
>>>>>>>>is just plain wrong. I know too many had working people who believed
>>>>His
>>>>>>>>(Jobs) hype. Only to be sorely disa pointed when they found out that
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>Cpu test were rigged, and their Mac did "crash" on both OS8,9 and
>even
>>>>>>OS-X(all
>>>>>>>>versions).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He (Jobs) usually mocks at windows user and Microsoft when he starts
>>>>his
>>>>>>>>keynote.(read: Dumb) When 90 percent of this world are using Windows
>>>>based
>>>>>>>>computers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So, the venom is actually corrections to the lies Mr Jobs spews.
When
>>>>>Mac
>>>>>>>>users come and reguritate Mr Jobs lies, most Windows users will not
>>> just
>>>>>>>>let them get away with such.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't see anything wrong with setting the record straight.
>>>>>>>>P.S.
>>>>>>>>The Mac Pro is currently thee fastest Personal Computer on the
>>>>>>>>market..
>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have never entered into any computer platform discussion pro or
>con
>>>>>>>>>in this newsgroup. I have my own preferences having worked on both,
>>>>but
>>>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>>>>not pushing my views on anyone else, except over beers at the local
>>>>pub
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>friends who are ready, willing and able. (As an aside, they are
1.
>>> Always
>>>>>>>>>vehemont, and 2. Without any actual real world experience on one
>of
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>platforms in question).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have to say that I am amazed by the venom that spews whenever
>>>>>>>>>someone
>>>>>>>>>points to something Mac. It seems irrational to me. As if Steve
Jobs
>>>>>personally
>>>>>>>>>injured some on this group. Why do we worry so much about things
>we
>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>no
>>>>>>>>>control over? If someone points out a new plug, or a new amp, or
>
>>>>>>>>>instrument,
>>>>>>>>>things usually don't get personal. The recent donnybrook over
>>>>>>>>>Politics,
>>>>>>>>Religion
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>War is regrettable but not surprising. But somebody pointing to
a
>new
>>>>>>product
>>>>>>>>>from a computer co and getting sarcasm, disgust, resentment and
>>>>>>>>>mockery just makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ted
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly
>
>>>>>>>>>>true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Unlike
>>>>>>>>>>you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on
>a
>>> regular
>>>>>>>>>>basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten
>>>>>>>>>>years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>>>>>been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold,
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>built
>>>>>>>>>>many PCs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating
>>>>systems.
>>>>>>>>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has,
>>>>but
>>>>>>>>that's
>>>>>>>>>>where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines
>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>a major PITA to deal with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which
is
>>> all
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people
say
>>>>MS/PC
>>>>>>>>>>stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from
>>>>>>>>>>Apple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Some
>>>>>>>>>>recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just
>>>>>>>>>>announced
>>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>>CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are
>
>>>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what
>>>>color?
>>>>>>>>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey,
>>> may
>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products.
LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I
have
>>>>>mention
>>>>>>>>>>all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac
>
>>>>>>>>>>bashing!
>>>>>>>>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing
here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's
>>>>>>>>>>always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX
>
>>>>>>>>>>crashes.
>>>>>>>>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it.
I've
>>>>>been
>>>>>>>>>>using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash.
>>>
>>>>I
>>>>>>think
>>>>>>>>>>the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing.
>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>>know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most
>>>>part
>>>>>>>>>problem
>>>>>>>>>>free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally
>>>>speaking,
>>>>>>>>>>and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday
>>> since
>>>>>>>>>1994!
>>>>>>>>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't
>>> use
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and
>>>>>>>>>>laughable.
>>>>>>>>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah,
>>> but
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's
>>> it
>>>>>>cost???
>>>>>>>>>>The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at
>all
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is
an
>>> example
>>>>>>>>>>of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you
>love
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>tinker
>>>>>>>>>>and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for
>>>>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>>>>folks.
>>>>>>>>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out.
> I
>>>>was
>>>>>>>>impressed
>>>>>>>>>>with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the
same
>>>>>guys
>>>>>>>>>>that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what,
>>> My
>>>>>>thing
>>>>>>>>>>can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs
>>>>>>>>>>windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The
>>>>>>>>>>old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing
>>>>>>>>>>contest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My
>>>>>>>>>>windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post,
or
>>> a
>>>>>draw
>>>>>>>>>>to arms challenge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was,
mine
>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>better
>>>>>>>>>>and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and
>>>>>>>>>>software.
>>>>>>>>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it
>out
>>>>>completely.
>>>>>>>>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user
>>> interface
>>>>>>>>>>are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors.
It's
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>smaller
>>>>>>>>>>sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced,
>>>>they
>>>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>>>create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add
more
>>>>>features
>>>>>>>>>>and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages
with
>>>>>zoom
>>>>>>>>>>in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice
>>>>>etc.
>>>>>>>>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before
>>>>you
>>>>>>>>rip
>>>>>>>>>>on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products.
>>>>>
>>>>>>It's
>>>>>>>>>>always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand,
>
>>>>>>>>>>especially
>>>>>>>>>>when your going to bash something.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>>>>>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two
and
>>>>discover
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>what we all see.
>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700
>>> wx
>>>>>>syncs
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy
>>>>bettter
>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows
user
>>>>>they
>>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite
a
>bit
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>third
>>>>>>>>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> gate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Only
>>>>>>>>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say
>>> for
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>>>>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing
>>> being
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that
>they
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> copied
>>>>>>>>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo
with
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>aqua
>>>>>>>>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's
>>>>>>>>>>>> blatant
>>>>>>>rip
>>>>>>>>>>off
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been
>>> at
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN
>>>>>(Lol!!)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>out?).
>>>>>>>>>The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>interface,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please
>Mr
>>>>>Jobs
>>>>>>>>>>stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because
>>>>>>>we're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they'll
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version
>>>>is
>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined
in
>>> the
>>>>>>>UI,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>koolaid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive
>>> features
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>earned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need
>the
>>>>>>features
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold
>>> my
>>>>>>final
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone,
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clumsy
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone,
and
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick.
>>>>>That
>>>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plus
>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a
Canon
>>>>>>digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on,
>I
>>> use
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>Psion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool
>>>>>>>little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>lot
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-in-one
>>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that
>>> now.
>>>>>>>>None
>>>>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky
>>>>phones
>>>>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter
>>>>of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers
their
>>>>>>needs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from
Mr
>>> Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows)
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC
>and
>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>>MS
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detail,
>>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface
>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 700wx..
>>>>>>>It
>>>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pocket..
>>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing
iPod?
>>>>>>Is
>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Holy Smokes Batman! Check out the new Apple iPhone! [message #78301 is a reply to message #78265] |
Sat, 13 January 2007 08:18 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Hi Martin,
I think you will probably have to go with a stand-alone TC gen
(especially if you are doing 23.9) then route LTC to an audio track in
PT. Once you go to post, you can transfer to your Nuendo machine using
the LTC track as the master to chase Nuendo to. I do not believe that
LE has the capability to gen TC on record, although I am quite new to
the PT game and amy be off-base. You have to buy the Sync I/O to get
HD to do it, so I can't see why they would have included it with the
002. It may have MTC chase, but that won't help you here.
David.
Martin Harrington wrote:
> Hi David
> I think that's the problem...although I'm not sure whether it's Intel based
> although it's brand new, (not mine).
> I said to him that he should probably get V 7.3, which is what he was
> supposed to get but they didn't have 7.3 in stock apparently.
> He bought it with the 002 rack unit, and told him to get the free upgrade to
> 7.3.
> One question though, it
> PT 7.3 LE, will that be able to be controlled by T/C, (MTC)?, as the show
> we are doing, (Australia's
> Next Top Model), want's us the be the master clock for the 4 digital
> betacams that are shooting the show?
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Martin Harrington
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Registered: September 2005
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Hi David.
The project is being recorded to PT 7.3, (ext HD), and that is then given to
the post house.
We are using my PT SMPTE Slave Driver that I pulled out of my studio to act
as the master clock for the session and the cameras, so that everything will
stay in sync, the betacams drift but not too much, and they can resync them.
As we are in Australia the T/C is 25fps so thats less of a problem, but I'm
assuming that the PT can clock to MTC as a slave for the session...it must
be able to...mustn't it?
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Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:45a90370$1@linux...
> Hi Martin,
>
> I think you will probably have to go with a stand-alone TC gen (especially
> if you are doing 23.9) then route LTC to an audio track in PT. Once you go
> to post, you can transfer to your Nuendo machine using the LTC track as
> the master to chase Nuendo to. I do not believe that LE has the
> capability to gen TC on record, although I am quite new to the PT game and
> amy be off-base. You have to buy the Sync I/O to get HD to do it, so I
> can't see why they would have included it with the 002. It may have MTC
> chase, but that won't help you here.
>
> David.
>
> Martin Harrington wrote:
>> Hi David
>> I think that's the problem...although I'm not sure whether it's Intel
>> based although it's brand new, (not mine).
>> I said to him that he should probably get V 7.3, which is what he was
>> supposed to get but they didn't have 7.3 in stock apparently.
>> He bought it with the 002 rack unit, and told him to get the free upgrade
>> to 7.3.
>> One question though, it
>> PT 7.3 LE, will that be able to be controlled by T/C, (MTC)?, as the
>> show we are doing, (Australia's
>> Next Top Model), want's us the be the master clock for the 4 digital
>> betacams that are shooting the show?
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