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Liquid Mix working in Paris [message #103681]

Tue, 07 July 2009 19:50

Ted Gerber

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Registered: January 2009

Senior Member

So -

This may not be a big deal to you folks, but since I am a fan of the Focusrite
Liquid Mix, it's a big deal to me. Today I made the 2 hour trek to Mike Audet's house
to load up the LM drivers and emulations to see if this Firewire equipped external
DSP box would behave with Paris under XP loaded up with Mike's drivers.

It worked great. After our first tests of inserting it on a track and trying a few VST
wrappers, we found the "stereo" emulations (even on a mono track) worked flawlessly. The only thing we couldn't get happening was "Render tracks with Native Plug Ins", which crashed Paris. There was a bottleneck on the Firewire bus. I will be checking with Focusrite to see if there are better Firewire cards than what Mike currently has loaded. The thing is though, I don't really use this feature in rendering. It was introduced with Vers. 3.0 (8 years ago?) as a way to save CPU. With both way more powerful computers now usable (with Mike's drivers) and the outboard DSP of LM, the need to render with Native plugs is pretty much a non feature now.

We tested up to 10 tracks with it loaded and there was no performance hit. We ran out of time to go further.

So- remaining things to check are:
a/ how many instances are available with the standard LM box,
b/ how many instances are available with the expansion card for LM
c/ is anything affected (firewire bottleneck?) at 48K
d/ is the latency for LM the same whether an emulation is actually loaded or not
(this would help in that you could load up one instance per track as your default
mix - giving access to one EQ and one Compressor for each instance - keeping all the tracks time aligned at least off the top).

Big thanks to Mike for letting me into his home and spending the time to experiment. I am planning on migrating from Mac to PC in the Fall.

Ted

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Re: Liquid Mix working in Paris [message #103684 is a reply to message #103681]

Tue, 07 July 2009 20:05

Ted Gerber

Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009

Senior Member

Oh -

Since Mike has 4 UAD cards loaded up in his rig, we compared the UAD emulations to the Liquid Mix by instantiating an LA2A from each manufacturer on two adjacent tracks with the same audio. We "roughly" set the levels for output and gain reduction by ear to compare.

They are very, very similar.

T

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Re: Liquid Mix working in Paris [message #104324 is a reply to message #103684]

Sun, 15 November 2009 01:20

Sound Dog

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Registered: October 2005

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Hi Ted

Just read your post on using LiquidMix in PARIS !

So what wrapper/s worked ?

I've never tried using VST plugs in PARIS, I had a bit of success with some DX plugs but nothing to write home about.

So with a VST wrapper, does that mean you can run all sorts of different plugs natively in PARIS ?

Clearly I know nothing of these things.

Cheers,

Stewart.

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Re: Liquid Mix working in Paris [message #104329 is a reply to message #104324]

Wed, 18 November 2009 11:51

studiodog

Messages: 9
Registered: May 2009

Junior Member

Is everything working with LM? How many tracks and how is the latency?

Thanks - I've been looking at one but have decided to stay with Paris and did not know how well it would work.

Thanks!! Razz

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