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| Sad But True, Lamont... [message #86909 is a reply to message #86908] |
Tue, 19 June 2007 16:02   |
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wireline[2]
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Registered: May 2007
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I agree, the days of the console are very numbered...To the best of my knowledge,
exactly 100% of the audio world has seen the proverbial writing on the wall...and
with technology doublilng every 3-5 years, digital consoles are obsolete
the moment they are released...sure, there are still a few big board users,
but each year those numbers drop significantly, and the boards are either
stripped for parts or decommissioned and stored...
I can't say the Yamaha/Steinberg cooperative is gonna do anyone any good
in the long run...its as if the two have throw their hands up in tandem and
surrendered to PTHD...I haven't heard ANYTHING regarding Nuendo in literally
months...all the while SSL and Soundscape seem poised to give Digi a run
for the money, but with ProTools sessions being the ennumerated standard
for AES protocols now, it almost seems hopeless for any other format or company...
But there again, when 99% of any audio app's user base is more concerned
with fake drums, putting everything on the grid, and having mp3 as the final
delivery format, we all get what we derserve...
Sorry to vent. (no, I'm not...but apologies are polite :) )
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>agreed.. Like James Mac has stated: These companie are all pouring their
money
>into the bedroom project studio user.
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>I have some pro features like talk-back, but is a little lite onthe channel
>side. I think a 24-32 channel is what's needed.
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| Re: New Yammy digital mixers [message #86914 is a reply to message #86883] |
Tue, 19 June 2007 19:50 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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It goes down to 128 samples, but it's a moot point. I don't have a
screaming fast machine, but from my experience unless you have an empty
project you can't get any interface fast enough for professional
recording (I mean really playing something, not just a pad or a string
line).
For recording VSTis I use 2 computers. I have the main one with the
whole song on it, set at a high latency, and a I set up a second one
with just the individual VSTi active, set at low latency, and while I
record the midi data on the main one, I monitor the output from the
second one. For playback the main one takes over. I use a mixer of course.
This system works brilliantly and I never have to stress over latencies.
I hate doing things that in any way make a client or visiting musician
uncomfortable or inconvenienced. This is probably a hold over from
running for-hire studios. I don't like anything that unnecessarily draws
the artists attention onto the recording process, and any noticeable
latency certainly does that.
So, the latency of MLan is not an issue to me.
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> HI Bill,
> How low of a latency can it operate not reliably? IN the past 10ms was
> pretty the lowest. Which is unusable for VSTi IMHO.
>
> Chris
>
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> Bill L wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> Admittedly MLan got a rocky start, but it does work OK with the newer
>> drivers. I have an i88x which took me a few days to set up but it is
>> pretty stable now.
>>
>>
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>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>> HI Bill,
>>> Yes they do look promising. Hopefully the analog end sounds good.
>>> They definitely seems to have paid more attention to feature for the
>>> home studio market. It actually seem to have a more outputs on it
>>> which is a big sore point withe the Mackie Onyx and all the clones of
>>> it. Looks like a hybrid between the O1x and O1v but I sure hope it
>>> isn't still using M-Lan. That could be its Achilles heel.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
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>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>> http://www.yamahasynth.com/products/n8n12/index.html
>>>>
>>>> When I heard Yammy married Steiny, I was hoping for some products
>>>> that really integrated Cubase and a mixer/controller. This may be
>>>> what I was hoping for. I hope it really has quality sound.
>>>>
>>>> It's available in Britain but not yet the US. GBP899.00 = U$1,782.18
>>>
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| Re: New Yammy digital mixers [message #86916 is a reply to message #86907] |
Tue, 19 June 2007 20:07 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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OK, we get it: you love the DM2K! Get a room, dude!
I actually had a DM1K at my studio for a while but I was so busy at the
time I only took it out of the flight case. I wish I had spent a little
time listening to it.
I wasn't expecting these little mixers to replace the DM series, but
I've been hoping we would see some synergistic products resulting from
the union of the 2 companies. Both have been revolutionary leaders in
the past, so there is hope of some interesting shit happening.
wireline wrote:
> I really don't see how it could be revolutionary at all...it looks to be an
> upscale of a Mackie Onyx, really - doesn't have anywhere close to the power,
> the flexibility, or the sheer mojo of a DM2K...
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> I saw this by just reading the spec - obviously I haven't heard it, but nothing
> really struck me as revolutionary.
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> On the same side of a different coin, exactly how is this 'new' mixer supposed
> to replace a DM2K or 02R96? They don't even appear to share anything except
> all are Yamaha and all are mixers...
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> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>> Remember when the Prophet V synth was so exciting cuz you could play two
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>> notes at once? Wow! And for only $6000! Then Yamaha came along and made
> it
>> obsolete with the 16-note DX7 for under 2000? This isn't gonna be one of
>
>> those revolutionary things, is it?
>>
>> S
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>>
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| Re: Sad But True, Lamont... [message #86930 is a reply to message #86909] |
Wed, 20 June 2007 09:06 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Yep.. I have my yearly rant about no other companies stepping up to theplate
to give Digi a run.
People have been speculating about Apple's new DAW could be that product.
We'll have to see.
As for Steingberg and Yamaha...Major dissapointment. Those new little NV
whatever mixers/interfaces are not what has bben asked for bythe public.
Then there are the Euphonix crowd. Very nice interface, but you';re gonna
shell out 25k and over...Still cheaper than the SSL AW9000 and the Digi ICons..
Edmund...Where are you..
"wireline" <wirelinestudio@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>I agree, the days of the console are very numbered...To the best of my knowledge,
>exactly 100% of the audio world has seen the proverbial writing on the wall...and
>with technology doublilng every 3-5 years, digital consoles are obsolete
>the moment they are released...sure, there are still a few big board users,
>but each year those numbers drop significantly, and the boards are either
>stripped for parts or decommissioned and stored...
>
>I can't say the Yamaha/Steinberg cooperative is gonna do anyone any good
>in the long run...its as if the two have throw their hands up in tandem
and
>surrendered to PTHD...I haven't heard ANYTHING regarding Nuendo in literally
>months...all the while SSL and Soundscape seem poised to give Digi a run
>for the money, but with ProTools sessions being the ennumerated standard
>for AES protocols now, it almost seems hopeless for any other format or
company...
>
>But there again, when 99% of any audio app's user base is more concerned
>with fake drums, putting everything on the grid, and having mp3 as the final
>delivery format, we all get what we derserve...
>
>Sorry to vent. (no, I'm not...but apologies are polite :) )
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>agreed.. Like James Mac has stated: These companie are all pouring their
>money
>>into the bedroom project studio user.
>>
>>I have some pro features like talk-back, but is a little lite onthe channel
>>side. I think a 24-32 channel is what's needed.
>>
>
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| Re: Sad But True, Lamont... [message #86931 is a reply to message #86930] |
Wed, 20 June 2007 09:21 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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I think that Yamaha is hitting the largest percentage of the current
market with this product... the home recordist. Not everyone needs
100 channels with insane routing and monstrous DSP capability. Be
patient, good things WILL come from the merger of Yamaha and
Steinberg. Face it, the larger studios are dropping like flies, would
you invest R&D money to provide products for a shrinking market?
There will be some products from Yamaha that will bridge the gap
between the DM2K and the N Series offerings. I also anticipate a
large step up from the DM2K being offered within the next two years.
Add that to the current integration of the Yamaha mixers with CU/NU
and I think you will have a system that will steal a good portion of
Digi's business.
Let's face it though, unless Avid/Digi does something astronomically
stupid, people are not going to walk away from "the standard", no
matter what it sounds like.
David.
LaMont wrote:
> Yep.. I have my yearly rant about no other companies stepping up to theplate
> to give Digi a run.
>
> People have been speculating about Apple's new DAW could be that product.
> We'll have to see.
>
> As for Steingberg and Yamaha...Major dissapointment. Those new little NV
> whatever mixers/interfaces are not what has bben asked for bythe public.
>
> Then there are the Euphonix crowd. Very nice interface, but you';re gonna
> shell out 25k and over...Still cheaper than the SSL AW9000 and the Digi ICons..
>
> Edmund...Where are you..
>
>
>
> "wireline" <wirelinestudio@nospamsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>I agree, the days of the console are very numbered...To the best of my knowledge,
>>exactly 100% of the audio world has seen the proverbial writing on the wall...and
>>with technology doublilng every 3-5 years, digital consoles are obsolete
>>the moment they are released...sure, there are still a few big board users,
>>but each year those numbers drop significantly, and the boards are either
>>stripped for parts or decommissioned and stored...
>>
>>I can't say the Yamaha/Steinberg cooperative is gonna do anyone any good
>>in the long run...its as if the two have throw their hands up in tandem
>
> and
>
>>surrendered to PTHD...I haven't heard ANYTHING regarding Nuendo in literally
>>months...all the while SSL and Soundscape seem poised to give Digi a run
>>for the money, but with ProTools sessions being the ennumerated standard
>>for AES protocols now, it almost seems hopeless for any other format or
>
> company...
>
>>But there again, when 99% of any audio app's user base is more concerned
>>with fake drums, putting everything on the grid, and having mp3 as the final
>>delivery format, we all get what we derserve...
>>
>>Sorry to vent. (no, I'm not...but apologies are polite :) )
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>agreed.. Like James Mac has stated: These companie are all pouring their
>>
>>money
>>
>>>into the bedroom project studio user.
>>>
>>>I have some pro features like talk-back, but is a little lite onthe channel
>>>side. I think a 24-32 channel is what's needed.
>>>
>>
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