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Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59443 is a reply to message #59441] Sun, 23 October 2005 13:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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one compress Snares and Kicks or Overheads
>to get a hotter level without too much red. What about vocals?
>Do you record em uncompressed and then add when mixing? Or do you like the
>effect of compressing while tracking and then again while mixing?
>Also I'd love to know what some of our fav hardware compressors are and
why.

As usual, this is just my opinion, but I say:
F
Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59444 is a reply to message #59443] Sun, 23 October 2005 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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or vocals, a resounding yes. I have four reasons.

1. Hardware still sounds better to me but I don’t like the extra D/A, A/D
conversions needed to use hardware during mixdown, so I like to get as close
to my final sound as I can during tracking. Then if I need a hint of extra
compressing I may use a software plug like the 1176 or LA2a from the UAD-1.
I feel the same way about eq. (I actually do use a fair amount of outboard
during important mixes, but for critical tracks like the lead vocal I like
avoiding the second conversions if possible.)

2. If you are looking for a particular sound, it is very dangerous to assume
that you can get it after the fact. Many times I have discovered that the
track becomes too sibilancy if I hi
Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59446 is a reply to message #59441] Sun, 23 October 2005 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know that work on major label projects still cut this
way.)

3. Controlling level to tape is still important. The Paris meters (like most
DAW meters) are not accurate enough to spot short peak overs. You can always
overcompensate and record very low, but how many engineers cut below –10,
and I know many singers that can cause very wide
Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59459 is a reply to message #59441] Sun, 23 October 2005 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Carl Amburn is currently offline  Carl Amburn   UNITED STATES
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>
>Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the less.
>
>Tyrone


Dear Tyrone.
These are absolutely just amazingly wonderful news !!!
In my dreams I always have this Grammy dream nomination/award thing ...
I am very happy you got there first !!
I wholeheartly hope that your song will get finally at least one Grammy award.
My prayers are with you.
Regards,
DimitriosYes, but not as a compressor, heheh......
I usually get a mix I dig, then I'll spank the global fader with gain out of
the compressor make up gain. Fattens it up every time. The method is covered
in the Paris video I cut with BT I believe. Thanks for the trick, Brian! No
limit is great, but for what I want there it's not where I'm goi
Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59464 is a reply to message #59444] Sun, 23 October 2005 22:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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Album "Christmas Love and You"
>>Best Traditional R&B vocal "Christmas Love and You"
>>Best R&B vocal perfomance "All I Want for Christmas is You"
>>
>>Obviously, it is early on in the running, but good news none the less.
>>
>>Tyrone
>
>With the Cubase 1.06 and dakota card, everything was taken care of with the
adat 9 pin sync. And it was pretty simple also.
I was really hoping the SX 3/ RME would be as easy.
Rod
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Rod, I'm fairly sure you'll have to send the transport commands via midi/

>MTC and the sample sync commands via adat card... at least I've always had

>to on external sync'd transports.
>
>AA
>
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:435c7ec8$1@linux...
>>
>> Deej, I've look for some old post I thought I saved from when you went

>> through
>> this, but I can't find them, so, please forgive, but I need your help.
I
>> finally installed the RME 9652 and Cubase SX3. I can't get them to sync
up
>> at all. Cubase just sits there when I press play on Paris (I have t
Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59469 is a reply to message #59441] Mon, 24 October 2005 00:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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d Cubase SX3. I can't get them to sync
>up
>>> at all. Cubase just sits there when I press play on Paris (I have the
>adat
>>> sync hooked up) I have tried everything I can think of, changing settings
>>> in the 9652 control panel to recieve adat sync, set cubase to recieve
>
>>> sync,
>>> etc. I'm just talking transport sync so far...havn't even tried audio
>yet.
>>> I previously had Cubase 1.06 sync'd up perfectly (sample accurate) with
>
>>> Paris
>>> using a Frontier Dakota.
>>> etc(but it's late so I may be missing something) Do you have any tips?????
>>> Rod
>>
>>
>Looks like you've got it. Occassionally, I'll get s
Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59483 is a reply to message #59464] Mon, 24 October 2005 09:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> >> >Deej
> >> >
> >> >"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:435bf479$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> Do most users prefer to mix in paris with or without
> >> >> the eds stereo comp across the mix buss?
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
>Yes. That was my experience, unless you're using an external clock. I'm
locking Paris and the RME interfaces to a Mytek clock distributed by a Lucid
box.

Deej

"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:435d0f6d$1@linux...
>
> OK I just verified sample accurate sync between Paris and SX3 for 10:00,
so
> I'm happy. This is using the cubase metronome.
> Flip phase and I get total cancellation..100%
> Next step is the audio. I seem to remember you having to set up RME as the
> master clock to avoid clicks and pops...is that right??
> rod
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Looks like you've got it. Occassionally, I'll get some stubbornness from
> SX.
> >when this happens, I dicipline it bygoing to the SX transport window and
> >toggling between internal and idle. Then, when I hit the Paris transport,
> >everything locks up.
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >"Rod Lincoln" <

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Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59485 is a reply to message #59483] Mon, 24 October 2005 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Carl Amburn is currently offline  Carl Amburn   UNITED STATES
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4;nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
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>
> Just curious how many of you fellow Parisians approach compression while
> recording
> in to paris. For instance, does anyone compress Snares and Kicks or
> Overheads
> to get a hotter level without too much red. What about vocals?
> Do you record em uncompressed and then add when mixing? Or do you like the
> effect of compressing while tracking and then again while mixing?
> Also I'd love to know what some of our fav hardware compressors are and
> why.You guys are getting this in XP?
AA


"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:435d0f6d$1@linux...
>
> OK I just verified sample accurate sync between Paris and SX3 for 10:00,
> so
> I'm happy. This is using the cubase metronome.
> Flip phase and I get total cancellation..100%
> Next step is the audio. I seem to remember you having to set up RME as the
> master clock to avoid clicks and pops...is that right??
> rod
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>Looks like you've got it. Occassionally, I'll get some stubbornness from
> SX.
>>when this happens, I dicipline it bygoing to the SX transport window and
>>toggling between internal and idle. Then, when I hit the Paris transport,
>>everything locks up.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:435cf489$1@linux...
>>>
>>> OK, I got the transport part of it going. Amazing what the brain is
>>capable
>>> of with a few hours sleep! One missed checkbox cost me 2hrs of grief
>>> last
>>> night. I still havn't tried the audio part yet, but Cubase and Paris
>>> look
>>> like there staying locked via adat 9 pin sync.
>>> rod
&g
Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59486 is a reply to message #59483] Mon, 24 October 2005 10:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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t;>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >With the Cubase 1.06 and dakota card, everything was taken care of with
>>> the
>>> >adat 9 pin sync. And it was pretty simple also.
>>> >I was really hoping the SX 3/ RME would be as easy.
>>> >Rod
>>> >"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>> >>Rod, I'm fairly sure you'll have to send the transport commands via
>>midi/
>>> >
>>> >>MTC and the sample sync commands via adat card... at least I've always
>>> had
>>> >
>>> >>to on external sync'd transports.
>>> >>
>>> >>AA
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:435c7ec8$1@linux...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Deej, I've look for some old post I thought I saved from when you
> went
>>> >
>>> >>> through
>>> >>> this, but I can't find them, so, please forgive, but I need your
>>> >>> help.
>>> >I
>>> >>> finally installed the RME 9652 and Cubase SX3. I can't get them to
>>sync
>>> >up
>>> >>> at all. Cubase just sits there when I press play on Paris (I have
> the
>>> >adat
>>> >>> sync hooked up) I have tried everything I can think of, changing
>>settings
>>> >>> in the 9652 control panel to recieve adat sync, set cubase to
>>> >>> recieve
>>> >
>>> >>> sync,
>>> >>> etc. I'm just talking transport sync so far...havn't even tried
>>> >>> audio
>>> >yet.
>>> >>> I previously had Cubase 1.06 sync'd up perfectly (sample accurate)
>>with
>>> >
>&
Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59492 is a reply to message #59485] Mon, 24 October 2005 11:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>> SX.
>>>>when this happens, I dicipline it bygoing to the SX transport window
and
>>>>toggling between internal and idle. Then, when I hit the Paris transport,
>>>>everything locks up.
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:435cf489$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, I got the transport part of it going. Amazing what the brain is
>>>>capable
>>>>> of with a few hours sleep! One missed checkbox cost me 2hrs of grief
>
>>>>> last
>>>>> night. I still havn't tried the audio part yet, but Cubase and Paris
>
>>>>> look
>>>>> like there staying locked via adat 9 pin sync.
>>>>> rod
>>>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >With the Cubase 1.06 and dakota card, everything was taken care of
>with
>>>>> the
>>>>> >adat 9 pin sync. And it was pretty simple also.
>>>>> >I was really hoping the SX 3/ RME would be as easy.
>>>>> >Rod
>>>>> >"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>> >>Rod, I'm fairly sure you'll have to send the transport commands via
>>>>midi/
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>MTC and the sample sync commands via adat card... at least I've always
>>>>> had
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>to on external sync'd transports.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>AA
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:435c7ec8$1@linux...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Deej, I've look for some old post I thought I saved from when you
>>> went
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>> through
>>>>> >>> this, but I can't find them, so, please forgive, but I need your
>
>>>>> &g
Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59504 is a reply to message #59469] Mon, 24 October 2005 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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/kick track... that's another
>>thang...
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:435bf479$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Do most users prefer to mix in paris with or without
>>> the eds stereo comp across the mix buss?
>>
>>
>when I say smooth, I mean it's not jumping all over the mix and you can hear
most of it w/o automation tricks.... which I still do for the little holes
and peaks. Lot of rock dudes don't have dynamic controls like say, a diva
singer might. They tend to scream it out.
AA


"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:435d222a$1@linux...
>
>
> Hmm, Is "smooth" what you want for agressive pop?
Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59510 is a reply to message #59504] Mon, 24 October 2005 17:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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; Thanks Kim for the suggestions...how do you "bypass" PACE ? ( I have
>> > anti-pace software that I have never tried to use)...
>> > "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:435a0c1e$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> > Pace never actually caused me any trouble, though I do bypass it now
>> > just
>> >> to be sure. ;o)
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>> I use the regular compressor, sometime 2 of thim in series but not till
I've
> got the Mix like it.
> Rod


Of recent I've been using 2 compressors with a FreakQ in between. On the
comp on top I've been using a 9:1 ratio with the threshold set to where it's
just grabbing the big peaks, then thru the Freak Q, just to throw a little
lite sheen on top and barely scoop out whatever problems areas I find, then
thru the second comp set at a 1.25:1 ratio that will pretty well ride the
mix. I set the output on both to where it's pushing the mix buss to taste,
typically without making a block-sounding/looking waveform. It seems to be
working out pretty well.

CLNashville engineer, Ben Fowler showed me his method for recording kick &
snare about a year ago, and I've been doing it ever since. On my 80B at the
office, I bus the input channel for each of those the their respective
tracks, then I patch from the fader output to the input of two other
channels and use the effect inserts to compress each of those channels
pretty tightly, then bus each of those channels to the same tracks as their
original uncompressed sources. Then use the faders of the compressed
channels to blend in the compressed sound with the uncompressed sound. What
I print doesn't sound squashed, but yet it has the snap of a compressed
drum. Me likes...

CL

"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
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>
> Just curious how many of you fellow Parisians approach compression while
recording
> in to paris. For instance, does anyone compress Snares and Kicks or
Overheads
> to get a hotter level without too much red. What about vocals?
> Do you record em uncompressed and then add when mixing? Or do you like the
> effect of compressing while tracking and then again while mixing?
> Also I'd love to know what some of our fav hardware compressors are and
why.Helo everyone!

Well, I was at least 5 years absent from the NG....
.... but I still see some familiar names here ;-)

I have 2xMEC, 2xEDS and bunch of I/O and ADAT
card... On second computer there is an RMEhdsp9652
synced with wordclock and ADAT sync...
Works flawesly for last 7 years.

Now I'm expanding to 4
Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59514 is a reply to message #59446] Mon, 24 October 2005 18:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>>>> >>> in the 9652 control panel to recieve adat sync, set cubase to
> >>>>> >>> recieve
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >>> sync,
> >>>>> >>> etc. I'm just talking transport sync so far...havn't even tried
> >
> >>>>> >>> audio
> >>>>> >yet.
> >>>>> >>> I previously had Cubase 1.06 sync'd up perfectly (sample
accurate)
> >>>>with
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >>> Paris
> >>>>> >>> using a Frontier Dakota.
&g
Re: Mixing in paris, paris compressor across main buss. [message #59564 is a reply to message #59510] Tue, 25 October 2005 15:28 Go to previous message
Eugene B is currently offline  Eugene B
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e goes ...
>> I have recently got a 2nd MEC without any 8in or 8 out cards, I now have
>> a project where I want to send externals out of the inserts to outboard
>and
>> was hoping to use the existing 4 ins and outs on the MEC but have failed
>> miserably in getting this to work. I have patched the patch bay as I
>normally
>> do on submix 1 with the 1st MEC but nothing works. I plugged an acoustic
>> guitar directly into input one and the led lights up but nothing comes
>through
>> on the submix .. what the????
>> Any thoughts, solutions or ridicule are all welcome.
>> Thanks,
>> Warren
>
>Since I posted a msg about this here not long ago, I thought
I'd give an update as they bring this donation program to a
close... this is in regard to CDBaby artists being able to
donate the proceeds from their CDBaby sales for a time to
disaster relief. Below is a quote form the e-mail I received
today from Derek (the guy who owns/runs CDBaby):

"In the end, it raised a total of $165,060 over the last 7
weeks, sent directly to the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund
through our local Portland Oregon branch."

Not bad for a li'l ole' music web site, eh?

NeilIf you have 2 MEC's, just conect a quality 75ohm BNC cable
from master MEC(A) BNC output to slave MEC(B) BNC input.
That's all you have to do. Nothing to configure in Paris...

Cheers.

Suad


"Warren" <**tonetemple@hotmail.com**> wrote in message
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>
> D'oh!!!!!
> Of course I don't!
> word clock, midi etc are creations of the devil that I have no knowledge
> of in my little retro, technophobe world : )
>
> so, will a single BNC across MEC's solve this issue or is there some
additional
> configuring I'll need to do?
>
> Thanks DJ for the response
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Do you have a BNC cable running from the clock output of MEC A to the
clock
> >input of MEC B?
> >
> >
> >"Warren" <**tonetemple@hotmail.com**> wrote in message
> >news:435e2c08$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> Forgive me if this issue is something well known that I missed in my
> >stoopid
> >> obliviousness but here goes ...
> >> I have recently got a 2nd MEC without any 8in or 8 out cards, I now
have
> >> a project where I want to send externals out of the inserts to outboard
> >and
> >> was hoping to use the existing 4 ins and outs on the MEC but have
failed
> >> miserably in getting this to work. I have patched the patch bay as I
> >normally
> >> do on submix 1 with the 1st MEC but nothing works. I plugged an
acoustic
> >> guitar directly into input one and the led lights up but nothing comes
> >through
> >> on the submix .. what the????
> >> Any thoughts, solutions or ridicule are all welcome.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Warren
> >
> >
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