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| Re: Intelligent Devices Site [message #90609 is a reply to message #90607] |
Wed, 26 September 2007 11:55   |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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I guess I'm still a bit PO'ed about how this all went down many years ago. I
thought it was very counterproductive to attack ID when they had the props
knocked out from under them by the whole Creative/Emu debacle. (my opinion -
I respect the opinion of others so let'n not argue about it, OK?) I agree
that leaving this subject alone is the best thing to do, no matter what the
feelings were back then on either side of this debate and I was sorry I
popped off about the minute I hit the "enter" key on my computer to send the
message.
Let's see what develops and keep an open mind. The past is past. Anything
that comes to pass at this point should be interesting and (from my
perspective) welcome. I'm deeply invested in Cubase at this point and for
the most part, I'm pretty satisfied with it's functionality and workflow.
I've got a buttload of time and $$ invested in trying to get "that sound"
out of it so if ID does release something that is capable of creating the
Paris experience in a native format, that will be interesting to explore it
a perhaps a welcome alternative for me.
My bad on bringing up old crap.
Deej
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:46faa7b3$1@linux...
>
> Yes Thad your right, but your also making some assumptions. Let's just
> give
> them a break for now and see what comes of this.
>
> This may be the reason ID was not interested in selling Paris.
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Companies do things for MONEY James, not because they're nice or feel good
>>it. If ID is working on PARIS some (well deserved) ribbing on this barely
>>visited newsgroup will not change what they're doing.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I have my doubts that ID has been working on PARIS, but I would welcome
>>any
>>>up date from ID. If it's a completely different product it would have
> to
>>>be as revolutionary now, as Paris was in 1997 for me to pay attention.
>
>>
>>>
>>>For the sake of the people that are still invested in Paris, please don't
>>>be insulting or threatening even if your just joking. This could stop
> any
>>>release.
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>If we threaten to sue them now maybe we can stop this from happening.
>>>>
>>>>"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:46f9c2db@linux...
>>>>> I'd be pretty friggin' rad to use Paris wth different (third party)
>>>>> interfaces.... I'd looooove me some native Paris tone.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46f9b7cb$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if they are, would it be useful for anyone other than someone
> who
>>>>> already
>>>>>> owns PARIS hardware and wants to edit on their laptop?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Randy Weaver <parisnewsgroup@emceesquared.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >Anybody notice that www.intDevices.com has updated their site.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >pro audio is "coming soon" with a PARIS screen shot.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >anybody hear what they're up to?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Perhaps releasing a software only version?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >-Randy
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Intelligent Devices Site [message #90610 is a reply to message #90609] |
Wed, 26 September 2007 12:05 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Thanks DJ!
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>I guess I'm still a bit PO'ed about how this all went down many years ago.
I
>thought it was very counterproductive to attack ID when they had the props
>knocked out from under them by the whole Creative/Emu debacle. (my opinion
-
>I respect the opinion of others so let'n not argue about it, OK?) I agree
>that leaving this subject alone is the best thing to do, no matter what
the
>feelings were back then on either side of this debate and I was sorry I
>popped off about the minute I hit the "enter" key on my computer to send
the
>message.
>
>Let's see what develops and keep an open mind. The past is past. Anything
>that comes to pass at this point should be interesting and (from my
>perspective) welcome. I'm deeply invested in Cubase at this point and for
>the most part, I'm pretty satisfied with it's functionality and workflow.
>I've got a buttload of time and $$ invested in trying to get "that sound"
>out of it so if ID does release something that is capable of creating the
>Paris experience in a native format, that will be interesting to explore
it
>a perhaps a welcome alternative for me.
>
>My bad on bringing up old crap.
>
>Deej
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:46faa7b3$1@linux...
>>
>> Yes Thad your right, but your also making some assumptions. Let's just
>> give
>> them a break for now and see what comes of this.
>>
>> This may be the reason ID was not interested in selling Paris.
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Companies do things for MONEY James, not because they're nice or feel
good
>>>it. If ID is working on PARIS some (well deserved) ribbing on this barely
>>>visited newsgroup will not change what they're doing.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I have my doubts that ID has been working on PARIS, but I would welcome
>>>any
>>>>up date from ID. If it's a completely different product it would have
>> to
>>>>be as revolutionary now, as Paris was in 1997 for me to pay attention.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>For the sake of the people that are still invested in Paris, please don't
>>>>be insulting or threatening even if your just joking. This could stop
>> any
>>>>release.
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>If we threaten to sue them now maybe we can stop this from happening.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:46f9c2db@linux...
>>>>>> I'd be pretty friggin' rad to use Paris wth different (third party)
>>>>>> interfaces.... I'd looooove me some native Paris tone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46f9b7cb$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if they are, would it be useful for anyone other than someone
>> who
>>>>>> already
>>>>>>> owns PARIS hardware and wants to edit on their laptop?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Randy Weaver <parisnewsgroup@emceesquared.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >Anybody notice that www.intDevices.com has updated their site.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >pro audio is "coming soon" with a PARIS screen shot.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >anybody hear what they're up to?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Perhaps releasing a software only version?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >-Randy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Intelligent Devices Site [message #90619 is a reply to message #90609] |
Wed, 26 September 2007 15:14 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Based on the "support" ID have given Paris (a product that they are
still selling) I would not invest $0.10 in a new product from them
regardless of how earth-shattering it was. I said as much on this
group years ago when Edmund was still around, and I still feel the
same way. They would have to do a *LOT* to earn my trust again.
David.
DJ wrote:
> I guess I'm still a bit PO'ed about how this all went down many years ago. I
> thought it was very counterproductive to attack ID when they had the props
> knocked out from under them by the whole Creative/Emu debacle. (my opinion -
> I respect the opinion of others so let'n not argue about it, OK?) I agree
> that leaving this subject alone is the best thing to do, no matter what the
> feelings were back then on either side of this debate and I was sorry I
> popped off about the minute I hit the "enter" key on my computer to send the
> message.
>
> Let's see what develops and keep an open mind. The past is past. Anything
> that comes to pass at this point should be interesting and (from my
> perspective) welcome. I'm deeply invested in Cubase at this point and for
> the most part, I'm pretty satisfied with it's functionality and workflow.
> I've got a buttload of time and $$ invested in trying to get "that sound"
> out of it so if ID does release something that is capable of creating the
> Paris experience in a native format, that will be interesting to explore it
> a perhaps a welcome alternative for me.
>
> My bad on bringing up old crap.
>
> Deej
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46faa7b3$1@linux...
>
>>Yes Thad your right, but your also making some assumptions. Let's just
>>give
>>them a break for now and see what comes of this.
>>
>>This may be the reason ID was not interested in selling Paris.
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Companies do things for MONEY James, not because they're nice or feel good
>>>it. If ID is working on PARIS some (well deserved) ribbing on this barely
>>>visited newsgroup will not change what they're doing.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have my doubts that ID has been working on PARIS, but I would welcome
>>>
>>>any
>>>
>>>>up date from ID. If it's a completely different product it would have
>>
>>to
>>
>>>>be as revolutionary now, as Paris was in 1997 for me to pay attention.
>>
>>>>For the sake of the people that are still invested in Paris, please don't
>>>>be insulting or threatening even if your just joking. This could stop
>>
>>any
>>
>>>>release.
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>If we threaten to sue them now maybe we can stop this from happening.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:46f9c2db@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'd be pretty friggin' rad to use Paris wth different (third party)
>>>>>>interfaces.... I'd looooove me some native Paris tone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-Carl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46f9b7cb$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Even if they are, would it be useful for anyone other than someone
>>
>>who
>>
>>>>>>already
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>owns PARIS hardware and wants to edit on their laptop?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Randy Weaver <parisnewsgroup@emceesquared.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anybody notice that www.intDevices.com has updated their site.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>pro audio is "coming soon" with a PARIS screen shot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>anybody hear what they're up to?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Perhaps releasing a software only version?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-Randy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>
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| Re: Intelligent Devices Site [message #90645 is a reply to message #90642] |
Thu, 27 September 2007 09:46 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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That's harsh.. I'd welcome something new from ID. Paris was still in it's
infacy when they pulled the plug.
I remember Edmund showing me a "working" version of Paris "Native" on Mac
OS back in 2000 NAMM. I mean it was working really good.
So, to have a native VST version of Paris that spealize in Tracking, routing,
mixing would be great. Forget about the midi sequencer, vsti's..
Well??? If he had all that working , then okay..
I hold any ill feelings to ID what so ever. Only to Creative and EMU.
Even more, I stated back in 2000-2002 that EMU made a very bad strategic
move when it pour most of it's resources into ROmplers. Most of them bombed,
saved for the Planet Phatt module. Now look at them. Can't give away the
samples for their softsampler. And, to this day, their Audio cards still
suffer from "just okay" drivers..
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>Paris is DONE. He ain't doing anything else and if he is don't buy it.
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| Re: Intelligent Devices Site [message #90647 is a reply to message #90645] |
Thu, 27 September 2007 09:45 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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You may be onto something there LaMont. Releasing native versions of the
software seems possible. The software side was ID's realm.
Any non-compete agreements may be about to expire with Creative.
With today's native hardware speeds, the fast PARIS hardware that
offloaded DSP processing from the computer's CPU may be somewhat
superfluous.
The PARIS software could rock on an octo-core box.
Things they could do include lifting the old hardward-bound 16 channel
limit, and finishing/fixing the MIDI implementation.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
LaMont wrote:
> That's harsh.. I'd welcome something new from ID. Paris was still in it's
> infacy when they pulled the plug.
>
> I remember Edmund showing me a "working" version of Paris "Native" on Mac
> OS back in 2000 NAMM. I mean it was working really good.
>
> So, to have a native VST version of Paris that spealize in Tracking, routing,
> mixing would be great. Forget about the midi sequencer, vsti's..
>
> Well??? If he had all that working , then okay..
> I hold any ill feelings to ID what so ever. Only to Creative and EMU.
>
> Even more, I stated back in 2000-2002 that EMU made a very bad strategic
> move when it pour most of it's resources into ROmplers. Most of them bombed,
> saved for the Planet Phatt module. Now look at them. Can't give away the
> samples for their softsampler. And, to this day, their Audio cards still
> suffer from "just okay" drivers..
>
>
>
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> Paris is DONE. He ain't doing anything else and if he is don't buy it.
>
>
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| Re: Intelligent Devices Site [message #90649 is a reply to message #90647] |
Thu, 27 September 2007 10:02 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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A native version would be the next logical step but it would be so archaic
compared to Reaper, Cubase and others it would hardly be worth the trouble.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>You may be onto something there LaMont. Releasing native versions of the
>software seems possible. The software side was ID's realm.
>
>Any non-compete agreements may be about to expire with Creative.
>
>With today's native hardware speeds, the fast PARIS hardware that
>offloaded DSP processing from the computer's CPU may be somewhat
>superfluous.
>
>The PARIS software could rock on an octo-core box.
>
>Things they could do include lifting the old hardward-bound 16 channel
>limit, and finishing/fixing the MIDI implementation.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> That's harsh.. I'd welcome something new from ID. Paris was still in it's
>> infacy when they pulled the plug.
>>
>> I remember Edmund showing me a "working" version of Paris "Native" on
Mac
>> OS back in 2000 NAMM. I mean it was working really good.
>>
>> So, to have a native VST version of Paris that spealize in Tracking, routing,
>> mixing would be great. Forget about the midi sequencer, vsti's..
>>
>> Well??? If he had all that working , then okay..
>> I hold any ill feelings to ID what so ever. Only to Creative and EMU.
>>
>> Even more, I stated back in 2000-2002 that EMU made a very bad strategic
>> move when it pour most of it's resources into ROmplers. Most of them bombed,
>> saved for the Planet Phatt module. Now look at them. Can't give away the
>> samples for their softsampler. And, to this day, their Audio cards still
>> suffer from "just okay" drivers..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>> Paris is DONE. He ain't doing anything else and if he is don't buy it.
>>
>>
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| Re: Intelligent Devices Site [message #90651 is a reply to message #90649] |
Thu, 27 September 2007 10:45 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
Registered: September 2005
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"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>A native version would be the next logical step but it would be so archaic
>compared to Reaper, Cubase and others it would hardly be worth the trouble.
May a Hindu Holy Man molest you with his Yak stick!
DC
>
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>You may be onto something there LaMont. Releasing native versions of the
>
>>software seems possible. The software side was ID's realm.
>>
>>Any non-compete agreements may be about to expire with Creative.
>>
>>With today's native hardware speeds, the fast PARIS hardware that
>>offloaded DSP processing from the computer's CPU may be somewhat
>>superfluous.
>>
>>The PARIS software could rock on an octo-core box.
>>
>>Things they could do include lifting the old hardward-bound 16 channel
>>limit, and finishing/fixing the MIDI implementation.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>LaMont wrote:
>>> That's harsh.. I'd welcome something new from ID. Paris was still in
it's
>>> infacy when they pulled the plug.
>>>
>>> I remember Edmund showing me a "working" version of Paris "Native" on
>Mac
>>> OS back in 2000 NAMM. I mean it was working really good.
>>>
>>> So, to have a native VST version of Paris that spealize in Tracking,
routing,
>>> mixing would be great. Forget about the midi sequencer, vsti's..
>>>
>>> Well??? If he had all that working , then okay..
>>> I hold any ill feelings to ID what so ever. Only to Creative and EMU.
>
>>>
>>> Even more, I stated back in 2000-2002 that EMU made a very bad strategic
>>> move when it pour most of it's resources into ROmplers. Most of them
bombed,
>>> saved for the Planet Phatt module. Now look at them. Can't give away
the
>>> samples for their softsampler. And, to this day, their Audio cards still
>>> suffer from "just okay" drivers..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>> Paris is DONE. He ain't doing anything else and if he is don't buy
it.
>>>
>>>
>
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